#3 : Marriage Puzzle Answer! (to Jeyaram)

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Dear Jeyaram,

 

> That is precisely my point! So when multiple dates could be justified using

dasas, how can we say that the Dasa was pinpointing the event ? Here I am

talking about the timing of event than the nature of event itself.> > The

following planets qualified as significators for giving marriage:> > 1.RAH

(Reasons:Darakaraka, conjoined with VEN in Navamsa)> 2. SAT (Reasons: Aspecting

the 7th house in Rasi & Navamsa)> 3. MON (Reasons: conjoined with UL Lord JUP)>

4. VEN (Reasons: Natural Significator, 7th Lord in Rasi)> 5. MER (Reasons:

Conjoined VEN in UL in Saggitarius ??)> 6. JUP (Reasons: UL Lord)> 7. MAR

(Reasons: 7th Lord of Navamsa and aspecting UL Lord in Rasi)> 8. SUN (Reasons:

Conjoined Navamsa 7th Lord in Navamsa)> 9. KET (Reasons: Natural significator

of marriage)

Though this is an exaggeration, I agree that there are multiple candidates for

every event and there are no clear rules for picking them for the mahadasa,

antardasa etc.

 

However, it is interesting that the native in the puzzle got married in

Rahu-Moon-Saturn as per Dwisaptati sama dasa and Rahu-Saturn-Moon as per

Vimsottari dasa. Is it a coincincidence that the same 3 planets show up in both

the dasas?

 

Clearly, Rahu, Saturn and Moon are the key planets. But the question is why. Is

there a clear and reliable method to find it out ahead? Does that method work

consistently in all charts?

 

> All we need to do is to arrange the planetary significators for each event

> in the descending order of their strength. Eagerly waiting for the day when

> such formula is found/revealed.

Well, it is often possible to identify the most important candidate who becomes

qualified to give an event based on various principles. However, the tricky

part is that that planet's nakshatra dasa need not give the result. This

suggests that our understanding of dasas is incomplete and/or we are not always

using the most perfect dasa for the person.

 

> Just a loud thinking on my part: Has anybody to your knowledge has

> cast Annual TPC from birth to say 40 years for any accurate chart(s)

> and found a pattern of HORA LORD, WEEK DAY LORD or the

> combination of the same. It could in fact be the key to precision in

> timing of events. Then probably proper Event-signification-weightage

> factor for each planet be assigned.

I haven't made 40 years of TP charts for the same person. But, in every case I

study, I invariably check the TP chart of the year of interest. In fact, about

85% of the correct predictions I made to clients in the last 6.5 years were

made using TP. It is the simplest and yet most powerful technique that *I*

know.

 

If there is an important event in a year, it invariably shows up in the annual

TP chart. The dasa also most often happens to be that of the strongest

candidate.

 

For example, when we were looking at your puzzle in my class, I was expecting TP

to give a clear answer. If you hear the audio, you'll see that I told the class

that the TP chart of the correct year will stand out and we will know it when

we see it. The first TP chart we checked for Jan 1997 was not interesting. But,

when we saw the TP chart for May 1997 and checked the dasa and antardasa in

annual chart, I did not even want to check the remaining two charts and

INSISTED that May 1997 must be the correct answer. I could not have been so

confident with any other technique! That is the level of clarity given by TP.

 

I use annual TP charts for everything. I use them in birthtime rectification. I

use them in making short-term predictions. I use them to see the trends in

various years. I use them to predict important events like marriage,

childbirth, promotions etc.

 

> That proves the existence of consistent techniques for precise

> analysis. Probably we have set our focus to Birthtime rectification

> (both at macro level and micro level) on top priority. Then may be

> every principle set forth by the Sages will automatically start

> working at all levels.

 

Honestly, I agree with you. As long as we expect perfect results based on

imperfect birthtime, we are only day-dreaming and/or relying on intuition, i.e.

practicing the *art* of Jyotish. I respect those who practice the art of Jyotish

(I do too). But I am more interested in the science of Jyotish. And I am getting

more and more convinced that there IS a *science* of Jyotish, which works

perfectly when the birthtime is rectified perfectly.

 

Two twins born within 1 minute with the same rasi, navamsa and dasamsa charts

may be running the same mahadasa and antardasa at a given time and the results

as judged from the natal chart may be the same. But they can get considerably

different results in their careers based on the dasa pravesha and antardasa

pravesha chakras! The same mahadasa and the same antardasa can give them

different results, based on the chart at their commencement! Like I said

earlier, natal chart is only one-third of the picture. Dasa pravesha chakra and

gochara chakra are the remaining two-thirds.

 

If birthtime changes by 1 minute, Vimsottari dasa dates/times can shift by 2-6

days. This can shift the Moonsign as well as lagna in the dasa pravesha chakra

(period commencement chart). Thus, to use dasa pravesha chakra, birthtime has

to be rectified upto a fraction of a second.

 

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> Dear Narasimha Ji,> > I am interspersing my comments and observations in your

reply:> > [Narasimha]> It is not true that dasas did not show the event. The

problem is that multiple dates out of the four dates given by you can be

justified using dasas. On the contrary, annual TP chart of one date really

stood out.> > [Jeyaram] > That is precisely my point! So when multiple dates

could be justified using dasas, how can we say that the Dasa was pinpointing

the event ? Here I am talking about the timing of event than the nature of

event itself.> > The following planets qualified as significators for giving

marriage:> > 1.RAH (Reasons:Darakaraka, conjoined with VEN in Navamsa)> 2. SAT

(Reasons: Aspecting the 7th house in Rasi & Navamsa)> 3. MON (Reasons: conjoined

with UL Lord JUP)> 4. VEN (Reasons: Natural Significator, 7th Lord in Rasi)> 5.

MER (Reasons: Conjoined VEN in UL in Saggitarius ??)> 6. JUP (Reasons: UL

Lord)> 7. MAR (Reasons: 7th Lord of Navamsa and aspecting UL Lord in Rasi)> 8.

SUN (Reasons: Conjoined Navamsa 7th Lord in Navamsa)> 9. KET (Reasons: Natural

significator of marriage)> > > [Narasimha]> > As far as my understanding of

dasas goes, there is no magical and consistently replicable formula to say that

marriage is given in the mahadasa of X and antardasa of Y. There are multiple

planets that become candidates to give an event and it is not easy to pick one

planet confidently at the mahadasa, antardasa and pratyantardasa levels. Of

course, it could just be a limitation of my knowledge. > > [Jeyaram] > All we

need to do is to arrange the planetary significators for each event in the

descending order of their strength. Eagerly waiting for the day when such

formula is found/revealed.> > > [Narasimha]> But I am much more comfortable

relying on annual TP charts to make precise predictions. > > [Jeyaram] > Just

a loud thinking on my part: Has anybody to your knowledge has cast Annual TPC

from birth to say 40 years for any accurate chart(s) and found a pattern of

HORA LORD, WEEK DAY LORD or the combination of the same. It could in fact be

the key to precision in timing of events. Then probably proper

Event-signification-weightage factor for each planet be assigned.> >

[Narasimha]> > > Ideal application of dasas requires combining three factors -

(1) natal chart, (2) dasa pravesha chart and (3) transit chart. Dasas,

antardasas etc should be judged using these three factors. However, (2) is

often ignored due to accuracy considerations and often we ignore (3) too (for

no reason). Relying on natal chart alone to judge dasas is quite fallible.

There may be 3 or 4 planets that can give marriage as per natal chart. Why does

only one planet give marriage in its antardasa?> > [Jeyaram] > You are asking a

million dollar question to a penny-less in astrology.> > [Narasimha]> > For

example, I micro-rectified my own chart thoroughly and explained tens of events

upto deha-antardasa level (6th level!) of Vimsottari dasa, using a very

consistent methodology. What I found in that exercise is that dasa pravesha

chakra is very important. If your dasa calculations are extremely accurate

(which requires a superfine rectification, invariably involving many rounds of

trial and error), dasa pravesha chakra will work nicely.> > [Jeyaram] > That

proves the existence of consistent techniques for precise analysis. Probably we

have set our focus to Birthtime rectification (both at macro level and micro

level) on top priority. Then may be every principle set forth by the Sages will

automatically start working at all levels.> > [Narasimha]> > A lot of Jyotish

we do these days is an art rather than a science. > > [Jeyaram] > Every cook

is given the same masala (ingredients) as inputs but their cooking is

different. Here masala/ingredients is the scientific part and cooking is the

art. > > [Narasimha]> > But there are scientific, systematic and replicable

aspects of Jyotish. When the time comes, they will come out in the open.> >

[Jeyaram] > Waiting for the day that happens. Could any good Jyotisha reading

this message predict when it's likely to happen ?> > [Narasimha]> > > Blessed

are those who are able to get > > answers from you and Sanjay ji during their

formative stages in > > Astrology learning!> > I am flattered, but honestly I

just share my 2 cents based on my limited reading, limited experience and

limited thinking. If any students think that I know a lot and that they are

"blessed" to get clarifications from me, they have wrong expectations. Sanjay

ji is on a different intellectual plane altogether.> > [Jeyaram] > Narasimha

ji, it was an honest compliment from my side. If you claim your knowledge is 2

cents, it may be true compared to Parashara; it may also be true if it is 20

cents compared to Sanjay ji. However compared to us it is definitely 200 cents.

Writing such a comprehensive software as JHora is akin to Ganesha physically

writing Mahabharata on the condition that he understands every word he writes.

So whether you get clarifications on Mahabharata from Ganesha or Veda Vyas, do

you consider that a blessing or not ?> > May God bless you & Sanjay ji with

maximum longevity of Kaliyug.> > Respectful Regards> Jeyaram