Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Dear Utpal, Many thanks in taking part in the puzzle and sharing your excellent analysis. Although I feel to write comments on your analysis, for the benefit of others attempting the puzzle I will reserve the same till 24th. What don't you try and analyze the wife's chart as well ? It should also point to the same result right ? Thanks & Respetful Regards Jeyaram ______________ vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Dear Jayaram, > > I am trying to answer your puzzle taking only Husband's chart in to consideration for avoiding any confusion for my self (Wife Lagna is in Boarder) > > I am mainly using 2 charts D1 & D9, Vimshottari (Dwi-sapt- for curiosity as well as testing), Transit & Tithi Pravesha. > > I may not be able to provide analysis for all the dates here but will try to give in brief. > > Dates: - 26.1.1997 - Rahu / Sat / Venus 17.8.1998 - Rahu / Mer / Mer > 09.5.1997- Rahu / Sat / Moon 22.8.1999 - Rahu / Mer / Moon > > Now to broadly judge which Antardasha can give marriage, i have done following analysis - > > Saturn :- D1 - 4th & A7 lord placed in 5th with Rahu (Mahadasha nath), aspects 7th house. it also aspects UL cum 2nd house with Graha & rashi drashti. Saturn is also 7th lord from Moon lagna. > > D9- He is a yogakarka (4th & 5th lord) placed in 2nd house & more importantly exchanged house with 7th cum 2nd lord Mars. > > Mecury: - D1 - Malefic for Scorpio as a 8th & 11th lord palced in 3rd > D9 - Well placed in 9th in house and also placed in 7th from UL aspecting it with Rashi & Graha Drashti. > > The above factor indicates to me that Though both palnets are capable of giving marriage in their own Antara, Saturn is more potent to give result in comparison to Budha. > > The native was running his 30th year in 1997, hence Saturn has already played his part in delaying the marriage here. now saturn i his Pratyantar should bestow good results and also it aspects 7th & well placed w.r.t to Mahadasha nath. > > > Test with Transit : - Transit again clarifies what i have concluded above. Transit of Saturn & Guru during 1997 was from 5th & 3rd respectively (from d1). The main point here which immediately stuck my mind is that 7th house is activated by combined aspect of Saturn, Guru & Rahu in transit hence they should bring about the marriage in 1997. another point here is that though Ju is debiliated but exchanges house with Saturn during Transit and can give good transit results (pl. don't ask me source here. this is my understanding) > > Where as in 1998, The 7th house actiavtion is missing in transit. though Ju aspects 7th lord from 5th. > > Now the more Tricky question of identifying 26.1.1997 & 9.5.1997. > > 26.1.1997 suggest quickly and in a straight forward way the marriage because it comes under period of Rahu / Saturn / Venus. Saturn aspects 7th house & Venus is the lord of 7th placed in lagna & aspects 7th house. only problem is that it is placed in 6th house in D9. > > The other Prantyatar lord Moon (date 9.5.1997) is though badhaka is well placed in 10th with UL Jupiter creating Gajakesari yoga. Moon is very strongly palced in D9 because it has exchanged house with Ju which is a UL & A7 lord in D9. > > > Hence looking at Vimsh. dasha both Pratyantara are capable of giving marriage. > > checked with Transit - On 9th may, Venus is transiting 7th house which is own house & lagna lord mars from 10th house over natal moon. > > on 26th jan - Venus is transiting 2nd house from UL > > Transit is also not give me clear judgement. Though i feel 9th may has better transit here becuse in D9 Mars & Sun (7th & 11 th lords) are in exchane during transit on that day. > > Final try with TP Chart:- I am not discussing TP related to 26.1.1997 here. members can check for themselves. > > TP of 1997 falls on 28.1.1997, at 16.36.23 with Hora lord Venus placed in 7th with lagna lord Budha. in D9 Venus as 7th lord palced in UL in 9th house ----------check the Tithi Ashtottari - the date 9.5.1997 falls in Ven / Mer period & both are palced in 7th in TP Chart. > > Intrestingly enough, the Period in dwi-saptati is Rahu/Moon/Sat > > I am quite clear now. > > My judgment is that the marriage was performed on 9.05.1997 > > I am tired, bye for now > > regards, > > utpal > > > > Jeyaram <jeyaram009> wrote:Respected List Members, > > Following is the accurate data of a married couple: > HUSBAND: > DOB: 20.01.1968 > TOB: 02:55 HRS (between night of 19th and morning of 20th) > POB: Bangalore (Karnataka State, India) > > WIFE: > DOB: 23.06.1974 > TOB: 22:15 HRS > POB: Mysore (Karnataka State, India) > > Please assume that the birth time rectification is not required. > > Could you please tell which of the following was their marriage > date ? > option A) January 26, 1997 > option B) August 22, 1999 > option C) May 9, 1997 > option D) August 17, 1998 > > Your analysis would be a great learning experience for lots of list > members, including me. > > Request you to use as many versatile tools as possible like > Vimshottari Dasa, Rasi Narayana Dasa, Navamsa Narayana Dasa, Tithi > Pravesh Chakra, Dasa Pravesh Chakra, Varga Transit, Astakavarga, > Double Transit Principle, Sarvotobhadra Chakra, Sudharshan Chakra, > Prasna etc. > > The answer to this puzzle will be posted on May 24, 2005. > > Thanks & Respectful Regards > Jeyaram > > > > > > > Links > > > Gajapati/ > > > Gajapati > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Discover > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 as per your advise, I looked at Wife's chart. i hope her's is 'Kumbha' Lagna with 0.36' 25.49 minutes. I had seen he chart y'day also for confirmation. Today i saw it with sincere intrest but only w.r.t 1997. Analysis :- She was running following periods: 26.1.1997 --> Rah/Mar/Merc & 9.5.1997 --> Rah/Mar/Rah Hence Rahu / Mars are common factors on both dates. RAHU is placed in UL and otherwise also capable of giving marriage in his Mahadasha. MARS is also very much capable as anataralord becuase of the many facts such as - he is UL & A7 lord in Rashi. despositor of Mahadasha nath, well placed w.r.t Rahu, Yogakarka from moon (getting Neech bhanga) and palced in Moon lagna hence looking to 7th house from moon. - In D9, he is 7th lord placed in 2nd house of family and aspects lagnesh & karka of marriage i.e venus which is placed in 5th. Hence very much capable of giving marriage in his Antardasha. Now let us see Pratyantra lords 26.1.97 MERC - Merc is 5th & 8th lord placed in 5th with Lagna lord Saturn & 7th lord Sun. in D9 he is the 7th cum UL lord. this facts are sufficient to think that it can give marriage. the -ve points for merc are that it is Malefic lord from moon lagna & placed in 12th from moon in rashi chart. also in dustha from Rahu (Mahadasha lord). in D9 it is placed in 6th. but I still feel it can give marriage due to its positives. 9.5.97 Rahu - Rahu as Prtyantara lord is placed in UL as said earlier and also in D9 palced with Lagna lord and Karka Venus with yogakarka saturn & aspected by 7th lord Mars. so Rahu has more positives. but what about merc as it comes ahead. Test this with Transit 26.1.97 & 9.5.97 --> on 26.1 Venus along with merc in 2nd from UL but Mars (UL Lord) is in 8th with Rahu & sun (7th lord) is in 12th. on 9.5 Venus is transits his own natal place & 7th from UL, Mars as UL lord transits 7th house & 7th lord Sun is in 3rd which can be consider little better than 12th as in case of 26.1 transit. The common transit of Saturn & Guru is good becuse they combinedly influence 4th house & Karka Venus. So with the above transit analysis, 9.5 seems to be little better Let me use Final tool i.e TP :- both the dates will fall in the domain of 1996 TP Chart of her. TP Chart of 1996 is on 20.6.1996, at 17.43.49 ---> I think I hope that i am not affected with Jundice --- Hora lord is Mercury placed in 7th with 7th lord Venus & lagna lord Mars - what more is required to convince me that marriage must have happenned in 1997 - over & abvove, ju is lord of 2nd & UL and placed in UL . in D9 -Venus (Karka) is in 7th house & Hora lord merc is well placed in 5th. Venus in d9 is also aspected by Lagna cum 2nd lord Shani & 4th lord Mars. i am tired of seeing marriage everywhere here in TP. what about our final choice between 26Jan & 9May. let's check final tool called 'Tithi Ashtottari Dasha' 26.1 falls in Moon & 9.5 falls in Merc period both are capable but I tend to give Merc more marks here becuse-- --- my earlier derivation about husband was 9th may and if i say wife would have married on 26th jan then i would be Inventor of all together new 'marriage Parakara' i.e can be named as ' Na bhooto Na Bhavishyati Marriage' --- Merc is a hora lord and placed in 7th with 7th & lagna lord definately was more potent then moon to give marriage. The Husband & Wife must have got married on 9.5.1997 Best Regards, Utpal Jeyaram <jeyaram009 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Utpal,Many thanks in taking part in the puzzle and sharing your excellent analysis. Although I feel to write comments on your analysis, for the benefit of others attempting the puzzle I will reserve the same till 24th. What don't you try and analyze the wife's chart as well ? It should also point to the same result right ?Thanks & Respetful RegardsJeyaram______________--- In vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Dear Jayaram,> > I am trying to answer your puzzle taking only Husband's chart in to consideration for avoiding any confusion for my self (Wife Lagna is in Boarder)> > I am mainly using 2 charts D1 & D9, Vimshottari (Dwi-sapt- for curiosity as well as testing), Transit & Tithi Pravesha.> > I may not be able to provide analysis for all the dates here but will try to give in brief.> > Dates: - 26.1.1997 - Rahu / Sat / Venus 17.8.1998 - Rahu / Mer / Mer> 09.5.1997- Rahu / Sat / Moon 22.8.1999 - Rahu / Mer / Moon> > Now to broadly judge which Antardasha can give marriage, i have done following analysis -> > Saturn :- D1 - 4th & A7 lord placed in 5th with Rahu (Mahadasha nath), aspects 7th house. it also aspects UL cum 2nd house with Graha & rashi drashti. Saturn is also 7th lord from Moon lagna.> > D9- He is a yogakarka (4th & 5th lord) placed in 2nd house & more importantly exchanged house with 7th cum 2nd lord Mars.> > Mecury: - D1 - Malefic for Scorpio as a 8th & 11th lord palced in 3rd> D9 - Well placed in 9th in house and also placed in 7th from UL aspecting it with Rashi & Graha Drashti.> > The above factor indicates to me that Though both palnets are capable of giving marriage in their own Antara, Saturn is more potent to give result in comparison to Budha.> > The native was running his 30th year in 1997, hence Saturn has already played his part in delaying the marriage here. now saturn i his Pratyantar should bestow good results and also it aspects 7th & well placed w.r.t to Mahadasha nath.> > > Test with Transit : - Transit again clarifies what i have concluded above. Transit of Saturn & Guru during 1997 was from 5th & 3rd respectively (from d1). The main point here which immediately stuck my mind is that 7th house is activated by combined aspect of Saturn, Guru & Rahu in transit hence they should bring about the marriage in 1997. another point here is that though Ju is debiliated but exchanges house with Saturn during Transit and can give good transit results (pl. don't ask me source here. this is my understanding) > > Where as in 1998, The 7th house actiavtion is missing in transit. though Ju aspects 7th lord from 5th.> > Now the more Tricky question of identifying 26.1.1997 & 9.5.1997. > > 26.1.1997 suggest quickly and in a straight forward way the marriage because it comes under period of Rahu / Saturn / Venus. Saturn aspects 7th house & Venus is the lord of 7th placed in lagna & aspects 7th house. only problem is that it is placed in 6th house in D9.> > The other Prantyatar lord Moon (date 9.5.1997) is though badhaka is well placed in 10th with UL Jupiter creating Gajakesari yoga. Moon is very strongly palced in D9 because it has exchanged house with Ju which is a UL & A7 lord in D9. > > > Hence looking at Vimsh. dasha both Pratyantara are capable of giving marriage.> > checked with Transit - On 9th may, Venus is transiting 7th house which is own house & lagna lord mars from 10th house over natal moon.> > on 26th jan - Venus is transiting 2nd house from UL> > Transit is also not give me clear judgement. Though i feel 9th may has better transit here becuse in D9 Mars & Sun (7th & 11 th lords) are in exchane during transit on that day.> > Final try with TP Chart:- I am not discussing TP related to 26.1.1997 here. members can check for themselves.> > TP of 1997 falls on 28.1.1997, at 16.36.23 with Hora lord Venus placed in 7th with lagna lord Budha. in D9 Venus as 7th lord palced in UL in 9th house ----------check the Tithi Ashtottari - the date 9.5.1997 falls in Ven / Mer period & both are palced in 7th in TP Chart.> > Intrestingly enough, the Period in dwi-saptati is Rahu/Moon/Sat> > I am quite clear now.> > My judgment is that the marriage was performed on 9.05.1997> > I am tired, bye for now> > regards,> > utpal> > > > Jeyaram <jeyaram009> wrote:Respected List Members,> > Following is the accurate data of a married couple:> HUSBAND:> DOB: 20.01.1968> TOB: 02:55 HRS (between night of 19th and morning of 20th)> POB: Bangalore (Karnataka State, India)> > WIFE:> DOB: 23.06.1974> TOB: 22:15 HRS> POB: Mysore (Karnataka State, India)> > Please assume that the birth time rectification is not required.> > Could you please tell which of the following was their marriage> date ?> option A) January 26, 1997> option B) August 22, 1999> option C) May 9, 1997> option D) August 17, 1998> > Your analysis would be a great learning experience for lots of list> members, including me.> > Request you to use as many versatile tools as possible like> Vimshottari Dasa, Rasi Narayana Dasa, Navamsa Narayana Dasa, Tithi> Pravesh Chakra, Dasa Pravesh Chakra, Varga Transit, Astakavarga,> Double Transit Principle, Sarvotobhadra Chakra, Sudharshan Chakra,> Prasna etc.> > The answer to this puzzle will be posted on May 24, 2005.> > Thanks & Respectful Regards> Jeyaram> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Gajapati/> > > Gajapati> > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > Discover > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. 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