Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005[PVR]

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Dear Vijay,

 

> > Best regards,> > -Vijay> > > > ps. I hope you will share with us your

presentation at the seminar on > > financial astrology.

I do not have any written material, but I do have some PowerPoint presentations

that I used at the seminar. I can share them with you in a few days. I am also

planning to make some stock market preedictions using the techniques I

presented at the seminar, which included compressed Vimsottari dasa of Kartika

Sukla Pratipada chart and Sarvatobhadra chakra transits on the compressed

Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa star of the same chart.

 

For now, I uploaded a small shloka on my website. This is a shloka I wrote

recently on Lord Shiva at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam at Saylorsburg. This shloka

asks Lord Dakshinamurthy of Saylorsburg to bless the Vedic astrologers by

living in their intellect and giving them wisdom. I had the nice opportunity of

reciting this shloka before the idol of Lord Dakshinamurthy, before a panel

discussion. You can read the Shlokam in Sanskrit/English and read the

translation at:

 

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/shiva_may_2005.gif

 

For those who know Sanskrit metres, this uses a metre known as "Shaardoola Vikreeditam".

 

> > My teacher RG Krishnan had also presented at the > > seminar.

 

I had the great fortune of meeting Sri Krishnan and taking his blessings. It is

such a pleasure to meet a saattwik man like him. In fact, meeting him and

taking his blessings were the highlight of my trip. He seemed so knowledgable,

simple, humble and open-minded. We find such men of golden heart very rarely

these days. Vishnu lives in the hearts of such people. You are very fortunate

to have him as your guru.

 

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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

 

Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:31 PM

Re: Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005[PVR]

Dear Vijay,

 

> Dear PVRji,> > I apologize if what I wrote was construed as malignment. This

was not > my intention as I had stated in the mail. When I meant SJC group, I >

was really referring to Shri Sanjay Rath alone. I am a beginner and > looked

around initially for proof of aptitude amongst various

 

Even if you were "really referring to Shri Sanjay Rath alone", I take an

exception to your original assertion (that you did not find any correct

predictions from the SJC group). Irrespective of your intetions, such

discrediting in a public list is in poor taste.

 

Sanjay ji made a lot of correct predictions on mundane events. When Vajpayee

government lost the confidence vote in April 1999, some big name astrologers

were putting their money on Sonia Gandhi. But Sanjay ji predicted that Vajpayee

would stay in power. At the time of Bill Clinton impeachment, Sanjay ji

predicted that Clinton would remain in power. He made several successful

predictions on Naveen Patnaik. He made many other correct predictions.

 

His only two failures in mundane astrology that I remember came last year. He

(like many) judged the Indian elections incorrectly. He also went wrong on

George W re-election, but I personally know that it was an emotional prediction

than an astrological one. He and I spent one whole day at my home rectifying and

judging the charts of Kerry and Bush. We came to the conclusion that Bush would

win. But Sanjay ji went in front of a pro-Kerry crowd at a workshop and

preidcted that Kerry would win. I had to then go against his prediction and

predict a Bush victory.

 

Apart from these two wrong predictions last year, I am not aware of any wrong predictions by him.

 

In individual horoscopy, I have personally seen a lot of amazing predictions by him.

> teachers. I found Shri KN Rao to be excellant and his books are > remarkable.

I did not find anyone else to be anywhere close to him > based on publicly

known predictions. This of course does not mean > that Shri Sanjay Rath is not

good or anything, just that I am not > aware of his public predictions. I will

also kindly request yourself/

> Sanjay Rath to post predictions on his website so that people can > judge for

themselves- this will also convince skeptics as well as > bring more

credibility to the field of astrology in general (the > argument that people

avoid predictions to avoid public fame and > adulation is a very weak one).

 

Mundane horoscopy is lot less scientifically developed than individual

horoscopy. Many times, correct data is not available. Moreover, several mundane

predictions tend to have good odds too and not that amazing.

 

If the goal is to convince skeptics, individual horoscopy is a better candidate.

 

Let me suggest a simple challenge.

 

Can astrologers take up a challenge where rationalists would give them 50

accurate charts and give multiple choice questions involving events in those

charts. For example, the question can be - when did the person marry? Answers

can be (a) Apr 1990, (b) Aug 1991, © Jul 1993, (d) Sep 1994, (e) Feb 1995.

 

If a challenge like this is given, are we confident that we can score 45 out of 50?

 

I am not fully confident today, but I am hopeful of being able to take such a

challenge in not-too-far future.

 

Such structured challenges can serve the purpose of convincing skeptics more

than making some mundane predictions.

 

Anyway, we do make predictions from time to time on various .

 

> Your post on Kargil war was remarkable I should say. This happened > more than

5 years ago and I would like to know about more > predictions, how many of them

turned out correctly etc. Puzzles are

 

I never counted them. Those who like me will remember my correct predictions and

those who dislike me will remember my incorrect predictions.

 

I have great failures such as Gore win and BJP re-election in 2004. But I have

some good predictions too. Bush re-election and Vajpayee re-election in 1999

are perhaps not great predictions because they had a 50% chance. There are

others that were more credible. For example, when the Iraq war started, I did

predict on vedic astrology when the Hussein govt would fall. Exactly

during that week, US entered Baghdad and took control of Baghdas. It happened so

quickly that nobody else seemed to have expected it. Many seemed to think

Baghdad would fall after 3-4 weeks, but I predicted a much quicker fall. After

September 11, I predicted the week in which US would attack Afghanistan and the

week in which Kabul would fall. Both were correct and they were predicted based

on Rudramsa Mandoola dasa of the lunar new year charts.

 

But there was far greater success for me in individual horoscopy than in mundane

horoscopy. There were many occasions when people told me that I told them

something would happen in so and so month or week and it happened. But most of

these things are private and not public. However, on vedic astrology

, there were some examples.

> interesting but not necessarily proof of validity (at least on one > occasion

I used only common sense to arrive at the answer)

 

Well, I beg to differ. It depends on the puzzles. Some puzzles are easy to guess

and some are not. For example, one guy who lost his job posted a puzzle on

vedic astrology list in the last week of January asking when he would get a

job. I and my students at Boston (it's in the class audio) saw his chart and

said that he would find a job in the coming week, that it would be a contract

job and that he would find a better permanent job during March 21-Apr 11. That

guy confirmed on v-a list that he got a contract job in the next week and he

confirmed to me by private mail that he got a better permanent job at the end

of March.

 

This has a low random probability. I know several people who have been looking

for a job for months. The probability of finding a job within 10 days is not

high. To guess that it would be a contract job and that another permanent offer

would come in March 21-Apr 11 is not easy without some reasonable astrological

principles. Mind you, this was done with some small help by me by some guys who

started learning astrology last May.So they were relying on replicable

astro-principles more than on sadhana.

 

If you ask me, blind puzzles based on charts of normal people are a better way

to judge techniques than 50% probability predictions based on speculative

charts of public figures or nations.

> Let me also add that among the next generation astrologers, you are > one of

the most prominent ones. I will also make this prediction > (without using any

astrology) that in coming decades your > contributions will equal or exceed

that of BV Raman or KN Rao. I am

 

Thanks for your prediction, but the reason for my taking offense at your

discrediting remarks on the "SJC group" is not egoistic. I am not looking for

praises. My only interest is in perfecting my knowledge. The rest is all maya.

Recognition, name and fame are all just an illusion. True knowledge is the only

thing that is permanent and will accompany me into my next lives.

 

Different people operate under different circumstances and their contributions

cannot be compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close to Dr Raman's

contributions. He belongs to a different level, like Varahamihira.

> also grateful for all the detailed and indepth clarifications that > you have

given in the past and continue to give, inspite of the busy > life you lead.> >

Once again I hope my questioning and healthy skepticism is not taken > as

criticism/defamement in any manner whatsoever - I state again that > this was

not my aim at all.

 

Well, question how a technique works and I will be glad to answer. Ask for

examples and I will be glad to show examples. But to question a whole group's

success based on your limited exposure to their work amounts to a propaganda

and unfair discrediting. Discussions on the success of individuals and groups

are usually a bad idea for public lists. They have scope for smear and

ill-intentioned propaganda. It is tough to distinguish smear from genuine

questioning, and it does harm to the image of the parties involved.

 

It also increase rajas in the parties involved. Instead, focussing on techniques

and not discussing successes of people increases sattva more.

> Best regards,> -Vijay> > ps. I hope you will share with us your presentation

at the seminar on > financial astrology. My teacher RG Krishnan had also

presented at the > seminar.

I will try.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

Thank you for the compliments. By the grace of God and blessings of elders, I

learnt Sanskrit when young and am comfortable with the language. I started

composing poems in classical metres in Sanskrit and Telugu languages when I was

9 or so.

 

In my navamsa chart, I have lagna lord Venus and Moon together in Gemini. I

think Saravali says that one with that combination becomes a poet.

 

The "Navagraha Karavalamba Stotram" that you can find on my website was also

composed by me. The shloka on Krishna in the beginning of my book ("Vedic

Astrology: An Integrated Approach") was also composed by me. That is why it

specifies my name ("govindassuranaayako(a)vatu sadaa maam naarasimham natam").

 

Himanshu Mohan ji, thank you for the blessings.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on

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> Dear Narasimha,> A nice shloka indeed. I did not know that you are a good

composer of > shloka. My compliments.> Chandrashekhar.> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

wrote:> > > Dear Vijay,> >> > > > Best regards,> > > > -Vijay> > > >> > > > ps.

I hope you will share with us your presentation at the seminar on> > > >

financial astrology.> >> > I do not have any written material, but I do have

some PowerPoint > > presentations that I used at the seminar. I can share them

with you in > > a few days. I am also planning to make some stock market

preedictions > > using the techniques I presented at the seminar, which

included > > compressed Vimsottari dasa of Kartika Sukla Pratipada chart and >

> Sarvatobhadra chakra transits on the compressed Tribhagi Vimsottari > > dasa

star of the same chart.> >> > For now, I uploaded a small shloka on my website.

This is a shloka I > > wrote recently on Lord Shiva at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam at

Saylorsburg. > > This shloka asks Lord Dakshinamurthy of Saylorsburg to bless

the Vedic > > astrologers by living in their intellect and giving them wisdom.

I had > > the nice opportunity of reciting this shloka before the idol of Lord

> > Dakshinamurthy, before a panel discussion. You can read the Shlokam in > >

Sanskrit/English and read the translation at:> >> >

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/shiva_may_2005.gif> >> > For those who

know Sanskrit metres, this uses a metre known as > > "Shaardoola Vikreeditam".>

>> > > > My teacher RG Krishnan had also presented at the> > > > seminar.> >> >

I had the great fortune of meeting Sri Krishnan and taking his > > blessings.

It is such a pleasure to meet a saattwik man like him. In > > fact, meeting him

and taking his blessings were the highlight of my > > trip. He seemed so

knowledgable, simple, humble and open-minded. We > > find such men of golden

heart very rarely these days. Vishnu lives in > > the hearts of such people.

You are very fortunate to have him as your > > guru.> >> > May Jupiter's light

shine on us,> > Narasimha