ketu-mars-sun-mercury conjunct in 7th house (Avin, Pranesh, et al)

[Guest guest]

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Pranesh and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

Pranesh – thank you for your response and writing. People use a

variety of techniques / methodologies to understand the light of the

stars. What I look for is:

 

Reasoning

Logic

Proof

 

…where possible. I am not alone in this approach. This is a forum of

learning, and we're all here to share and learn together. This is why

I asked…

 

 

 

For anyone interested and following this thread, allow me to share

some of my views --

 

Firstly, Mercury is the most moldable planet amongst the planetary

cabinet. It is the child and will adapt to who it is with. A child

mimics and this is part of the learning process.

 

Give a child a toy, he may play. Give him a paint brush – he may

paint. Give him a gun, he may shoot something.

 

 

This is the reason why Mercury behaves like a "soumya" or a "krura"

which has roughly been translated in the English language as "malefic"

or "benefic."

 

Secondly, consider that Mercury is always either:

 

1 house away form the Sun (either back or forward)

In the same house as the Sun

 

Mercury is also the prince-apparent heir in the planetary cabinet. IT

carries hope with it. Consider this in the Chara AtmaKaraka scheme.

 

Now – There are SEVERAL planets with Mercury in this house. How will

it adapt, and who will it learn from? Do / Did you consider the degrees?

[i know the entire chart was unavailable.]

 

Mercury also has an EXCHANGE with SATURN in the natal 3rd House. This

can and does alter something. Keep this consideration in mind.

 

Regarding – "Mars is Mars."

Rather generic. Yes, in the 7th, it is in Marana Kaaraka Sthaana. Have

you understood why?

 

================================

Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

 

34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the natal

star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each of

them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

================================

 

I also consider Mercury in MKS in the 4th. This is because the child

usually hates a disciplined environment such as the school. All the

child wants to do is play, and engage others in the same. When in a

confined boundary, it gets uncomfortable.

 

 

 

 

 

Mars is in a Marana Karaka Sthaana, yet "uccha" in Capricorn. Does not

tell us something more?

BPHS (English translation)

 

Ch. 3. Grah Characters and Description

49-50. Exaltation and Debilitation. For the seven Grahas, from Sūrya

on, the exaltation Rashis are, respectively, Mesh, Vrishabh, Makar,

Kanya, Kark, Meen and Tula. The deepest exaltation degrees are,

respectively, 10, 3, 28, 15, 5, 27 and 20 in those Rashis. And in the

seventh Rashi from the said exaltation Rashi each Grah has its own

debilitation. The same degrees of deep exaltation apply to deep fall.

=================================

 

Notice the Maharishis stressed also on the degrees, giving us a

further clue to examine the Nakshatras.…

 

Regarding – Sun in the 7th.

Why is this a mixed blessing? Please be more descriptive, where

possible so we can learn. This is the time of sun set in the chart.

 

Regarding – "Venerable Ketu."

Please be more descriptive, where possible so we can learn.

Ketu in the 7th is again going to adapt to the planets therein.

(some have not fully grasped the reasoning for this, and I will share

it if asked explicitly. i.e. acting like the lord of the House as

compared to the planets therein.)

 

There is no imagination needed to see if the person is a male /

female. The mathematical calculations should be able to reveal this,

along with PranaPada and Kunda rectification. Usually, the person

seeking guidance will reveal this to you…

 

Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader perspective.

 

May the Gurus continue to guide us.

 

Best wishes,

Nitin.

 

P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-mails

going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study of

the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-mailing

the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the individual,

and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

Dear Nitin,

 

I'm not smart enough to give reasoned explanations for what I say;

most of the times, it's my gut-feel.

 

In this case, I saw that the planets were Mars, Mercury, Sun and Ketu.

Mercury behaves either as a benefic or malefic depending on its

association, so you know how it'll be here. Mars is Mars. Having Sun

in the 7th can at best be a mixed blessing. Mars and Mercury are in

marana karaka avastha. To top it all, the venerable Ketu

 

Imagine if this native is a female!! Budding neighborhood soap

scriptwriters will rub their hands in glee

 

PJ

 

Nitin <astronitin wrote:

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Avin and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

PJ – can you please share why you wrote the below so we could share

and learn? Reasoning, please?

 

I would refer to the following as a clue into something more…

The 17th Ch. entitled "Effects of four planets in conjunction " in

Kalyana Varma's Saravali.

 

Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader perspective.

 

Best wishes,

Nitin.

 

P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-mails

going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study of

the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-mailing

the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the individual,

and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

The trends of the native's married life will affect the neighbors as

much as it would the native. If the couple are well-built,

carpenters and undertakers would be in business.

 

PJ

 

 

avin6dl <avin6dl wrote:

Does anyone knows the interpretation of ketu-mars-sun-mercury

conjunct in the 7th house. all in capricon sign.

 

Thanks

avin

[Guest guest]

Dear Nitin and other members

 

I think that was a very good attempt in deciphering the meaning of

the conjunction, but the bottomline is still unclear.

 

ALso, Ketu and Mars are in Yudhbala, ketu being in lower degree.

Having said that, Mars is very strong and is in capricon. So, would

ketu take over the energies of mars ?

 

I feel that the overall impact on 7th house will be of the planet

that ultimately wins this conjunction.

 

But how can we tell which planet will win?

 

I would be grateful If any learned member can throw more light on

the problem.

 

 

-avin

vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin>

wrote:

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Pranesh and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> Pranesh – thank you for your response and writing. People use a

> variety of techniques / methodologies to understand the light of

the

> stars. What I look for is:

>

> Reasoning

> Logic

> Proof

>

> …where possible. I am not alone in this approach. This is a forum

of

> learning, and we're all here to share and learn together. This is

why

> I asked…

>

>

>

> For anyone interested and following this thread, allow me to share

> some of my views --

>

> Firstly, Mercury is the most moldable planet amongst the planetary

> cabinet. It is the child and will adapt to who it is with. A child

> mimics and this is part of the learning process.

>

> Give a child a toy, he may play. Give him a paint brush – he may

> paint. Give him a gun, he may shoot something.

>

>

> This is the reason why Mercury behaves like a "soumya" or

a "krura"

> which has roughly been translated in the English language

as "malefic"

> or "benefic."

>

> Secondly, consider that Mercury is always either:

>

> 1 house away form the Sun (either back or forward)

> In the same house as the Sun

>

> Mercury is also the prince-apparent heir in the planetary cabinet.

IT

> carries hope with it. Consider this in the Chara AtmaKaraka

scheme.

>

> Now – There are SEVERAL planets with Mercury in this house. How

will

> it adapt, and who will it learn from? Do / Did you consider the

degrees?

> [i know the entire chart was unavailable.]

>

> Mercury also has an EXCHANGE with SATURN in the natal 3rd House.

This

> can and does alter something. Keep this consideration in mind.

>

> Regarding – "Mars is Mars."

> Rather generic. Yes, in the 7th, it is in Marana Kaaraka Sthaana.

Have

> you understood why?

>

> ================================

> Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

>

> 34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the

natal

> star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

> 12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each of

> them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

> ================================

>

> I also consider Mercury in MKS in the 4th. This is because the

child

> usually hates a disciplined environment such as the school. All the

> child wants to do is play, and engage others in the same. When in a

> confined boundary, it gets uncomfortable.

>

>

>

>

>

> Mars is in a Marana Karaka Sthaana, yet "uccha" in Capricorn. Does

not

> tell us something more?

> BPHS (English translation)

>

> Ch. 3. Grah Characters and Description

> 49-50. Exaltation and Debilitation. For the seven Grahas, from

Sūrya

> on, the exaltation Rashis are, respectively, Mesh, Vrishabh, Makar,

> Kanya, Kark, Meen and Tula. The deepest exaltation degrees are,

> respectively, 10, 3, 28, 15, 5, 27 and 20 in those Rashis. And in

the

> seventh Rashi from the said exaltation Rashi each Grah has its own

> debilitation. The same degrees of deep exaltation apply to deep

fall.

> =================================

>

> Notice the Maharishis stressed also on the degrees, giving us a

> further clue to examine the Nakshatras.…

>

> Regarding – Sun in the 7th.

> Why is this a mixed blessing? Please be more descriptive, where

> possible so we can learn. This is the time of sun set in the

chart.

>

> Regarding – "Venerable Ketu."

> Please be more descriptive, where possible so we can learn.

> Ketu in the 7th is again going to adapt to the planets therein.

> (some have not fully grasped the reasoning for this, and I will

share

> it if asked explicitly. i.e. acting like the lord of the House as

> compared to the planets therein.)

>

> There is no imagination needed to see if the person is a male /

> female. The mathematical calculations should be able to reveal

this,

> along with PranaPada and Kunda rectification. Usually, the person

> seeking guidance will reveal this to you…

>

> Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader

perspective.

>

> May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>

> Best wishes,

> Nitin.

>

> P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-mails

> going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

> select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study

of

> the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-

mailing

> the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the individual,

> and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

> Dear Nitin,

>

> I'm not smart enough to give reasoned explanations for what I say;

> most of the times, it's my gut-feel.

>

> In this case, I saw that the planets were Mars, Mercury, Sun and

Ketu.

> Mercury behaves either as a benefic or malefic depending on its

> association, so you know how it'll be here. Mars is Mars. Having

Sun

> in the 7th can at best be a mixed blessing. Mars and Mercury are in

> marana karaka avastha. To top it all, the venerable Ketu

>

> Imagine if this native is a female!! Budding neighborhood soap

> scriptwriters will rub their hands in glee

>

> PJ

>

> Nitin <astronitin> wrote:

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Avin and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> PJ – can you please share why you wrote the below so we could

share

> and learn? Reasoning, please?

>

> I would refer to the following as a clue into something more…

> The 17th Ch. entitled "Effects of four planets in conjunction " in

> Kalyana Varma's Saravali.

>

> Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader

perspective.

>

> Best wishes,

> Nitin.

>

> P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-mails

> going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

> select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study

of

> the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-

mailing

> the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the individual,

> and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> The trends of the native's married life will affect the neighbors

as

> much as it would the native. If the couple are well-built,

> carpenters and undertakers would be in business.

>

> PJ

>

>

> avin6dl <avin6dl> wrote:

> Does anyone knows the interpretation of ketu-mars-sun-mercury

> conjunct in the 7th house. all in capricon sign.

>

> Thanks

> avin

[Guest guest]

vedic astrology, "avin6dl" <avin6dl>

wrote:

> Dear Nitin and other members

>

> I think that was a very good attempt in deciphering the meaning of

> the conjunction, but the bottomline is still unclear.

>

> ALso, Ketu and Mars are in Yudhbala, ketu being in lower degree.

> Having said that, Mars is very strong and is in capricon. So, would

> ketu take over the energies of mars ?

>

> I feel that the overall impact on 7th house will be of the planet

> that ultimately wins this conjunction.

>

> But how can we tell which planet will win?

>

> I would be grateful If any learned member can throw more light on

> the problem.

>

>

> -avin

> vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin>

> wrote:

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Pranesh and List Members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > Pranesh – thank you for your response and writing. People use a

> > variety of techniques / methodologies to understand the light of

> the

> > stars. What I look for is:

> >

> > Reasoning

> > Logic

> > Proof

> >

> > …where possible. I am not alone in this approach. This is a forum

> of

> > learning, and we're all here to share and learn together. This is

> why

> > I asked…

> >

> >

> >

> > For anyone interested and following this thread, allow me to share

> > some of my views --

> >

> > Firstly, Mercury is the most moldable planet amongst the planetary

> > cabinet. It is the child and will adapt to who it is with. A child

> > mimics and this is part of the learning process.

> >

> > Give a child a toy, he may play. Give him a paint brush – he may

> > paint. Give him a gun, he may shoot something.

> >

> >

> > This is the reason why Mercury behaves like a "soumya" or

> a "krura"

> > which has roughly been translated in the English language

> as "malefic"

> > or "benefic."

> >

> > Secondly, consider that Mercury is always either:

> >

> > 1 house away form the Sun (either back or forward)

> > In the same house as the Sun

> >

> > Mercury is also the prince-apparent heir in the planetary

cabinet.

> IT

> > carries hope with it. Consider this in the Chara AtmaKaraka

> scheme.

> >

> > Now – There are SEVERAL planets with Mercury in this house. How

> will

> > it adapt, and who will it learn from? Do / Did you consider the

> degrees?

> > [i know the entire chart was unavailable.]

> >

> > Mercury also has an EXCHANGE with SATURN in the natal 3rd House.

> This

> > can and does alter something. Keep this consideration in mind.

> >

> > Regarding – "Mars is Mars."

> > Rather generic. Yes, in the 7th, it is in Marana Kaaraka Sthaana.

> Have

> > you understood why?

> >

> > ================================

> > Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

> >

> > 34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the

> natal

> > star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

> > 12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each

of

> > them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

> > ================================

> >

> > I also consider Mercury in MKS in the 4th. This is because the

> child

> > usually hates a disciplined environment such as the school. All

the

> > child wants to do is play, and engage others in the same. When in

a

> > confined boundary, it gets uncomfortable.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars is in a Marana Karaka Sthaana, yet "uccha" in Capricorn.

Does

> not

> > tell us something more?

> > BPHS (English translation)

> >

> > Ch. 3. Grah Characters and Description

> > 49-50. Exaltation and Debilitation. For the seven Grahas, from

> Sūrya

> > on, the exaltation Rashis are, respectively, Mesh, Vrishabh,

Makar,

> > Kanya, Kark, Meen and Tula. The deepest exaltation degrees are,

> > respectively, 10, 3, 28, 15, 5, 27 and 20 in those Rashis. And in

> the

> > seventh Rashi from the said exaltation Rashi each Grah has its own

> > debilitation. The same degrees of deep exaltation apply to deep

> fall.

> > =================================

> >

> > Notice the Maharishis stressed also on the degrees, giving us a

> > further clue to examine the Nakshatras.…

> >

> > Regarding – Sun in the 7th.

> > Why is this a mixed blessing? Please be more descriptive, where

> > possible so we can learn. This is the time of sun set in the

> chart.

> >

> > Regarding – "Venerable Ketu."

> > Please be more descriptive, where possible so we can learn.

> > Ketu in the 7th is again going to adapt to the planets therein.

> > (some have not fully grasped the reasoning for this, and I will

> share

> > it if asked explicitly. i.e. acting like the lord of the House as

> > compared to the planets therein.)

> >

> > There is no imagination needed to see if the person is a male /

> > female. The mathematical calculations should be able to reveal

> this,

> > along with PranaPada and Kunda rectification. Usually, the person

> > seeking guidance will reveal this to you…

> >

> > Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader

> perspective.

> >

> > May the Gurus continue to guide us.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-

mails

> > going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

> > select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study

> of

> > the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-

> mailing

> > the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the

individual,

> > and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> >

> > Dear Nitin,

> >

> > I'm not smart enough to give reasoned explanations for what I say;

> > most of the times, it's my gut-feel.

> >

> > In this case, I saw that the planets were Mars, Mercury, Sun and

> Ketu.

> > Mercury behaves either as a benefic or malefic depending on its

> > association, so you know how it'll be here. Mars is Mars. Having

> Sun

> > in the 7th can at best be a mixed blessing. Mars and Mercury are

in

> > marana karaka avastha. To top it all, the venerable Ketu

> >

> > Imagine if this native is a female!! Budding neighborhood soap

> > scriptwriters will rub their hands in glee

> >

> > PJ

> >

> > Nitin <astronitin> wrote:

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Avin and List Members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > PJ – can you please share why you wrote the below so we could

> share

> > and learn? Reasoning, please?

> >

> > I would refer to the following as a clue into something more…

> > The 17th Ch. entitled "Effects of four planets in conjunction "

in

> > Kalyana Varma's Saravali.

> >

> > Again, the whole chart has to be examined for a broader

> perspective.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > P.S. Request to list members – can we try to minimize some e-

mails

> > going back and forth on the list by avoiding personal e-mails to

> > select people? i.e. if there is a comment, unrelated to the study

> of

> > the stars, or a follow-up for 1 person only -- rather than e-

> mailing

> > the entire list, it is suggested that one reply to the

individual,

> > and not to 100 + listed members. Thank you.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > The trends of the native's married life will affect the neighbors

> as

> > much as it would the native. If the couple are well-built,

> > carpenters and undertakers would be in business.

> >

> > PJ

> >

> >

> > avin6dl <avin6dl> wrote:

> > Does anyone knows the interpretation of ketu-mars-sun-mercury

> > conjunct in the 7th house. all in capricon sign.

> >

> > Thanks

> > avin