Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Dear Vinay, > >>>Different people operate under different> >>>circumstances and their contributions cannot be> >>>compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close> >>>to Dr Raman's contributions. He belongs to a different> >>>level, like Varahamihira. > > Dear Narasimha,> I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong> Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha> lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did I too personally do not use Raman ayanamsa. I use Lahiri ayanamsa and believe it has only a small error. But, in the absence of a conclusive proof of the correct ayanamsa, scholars are free to use what they like. Dr Raman, Krishnamoorthy, Swami Sadashiva Giri, Swami Yukteshwar's followers all have their own favorite ayanamsas. You can fault anyone for following what they prefer. > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. He> suggested that the Navamsha chart could be shelved if> a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that There are people today shelving shashtyamsa chart. I don't see any difference between shelving navamsa and shelving shashtyamsa. > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. What's wrong with it? I use Lahiri ayanamsa and used it in all my articles published in "Astrological Magazine". They never held it against me and published my articles. When they respect my decision to use Lahiri ayanamsa, I respect their decision to use Raman ayanamsa. > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like> D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the> Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he> could give sound predictions with such techniques. That is the beauty! He gave sound predictions for several decades. Though he used what was convenient to him, he was never against the use of D-10 etc. Nor was he against the use of other dasas. He respected other views and especially those who had allegiance to maharshis. As an individual teacher, he had the freedom to focus on what worked for him and what was convenient to him. I will not blame him for exercising that freedom. Just before he passed away, I was invited to send an article and sent one containing my researches on D-27 and received his blessings in a letter. He said he was happy to see youngsters engaged in serious astrology research and gave me his encouragement and blessings. The article was published in the last "Astrological Magazine" that he edited (January 1999 issue). It was my first published article in astrology. How can you fault a man who encounraged others studying divisional charts for ignoring them? Each generation discovers (or, sometimes, invents) new things. It cannot blame the previous generations for leaving those things. Each generation has a job to do. > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy> or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some> original contributions, Raman contributed nothing> original or new to the arsenal of astrological When did having "original contributions" become a criterion for being a great astrology author? If an author comes by today and translates (interprets) Parasara perfectly, I will bow to his feet. It will be the greatest contribution anybody (apart from Parasara) would've ever made to astrology!!! Dr Raman brought the knowledge of maharshis to modern educated men. It is a far greater contribution than any original researches. > techniques. Coming to his writings, his books "How to> Judge a Horoscope Vol 1 and Vol 2" which I have read> are downright badly written books according to me. I But, countless Jyotishis learnt from those books and progressed as astrologers. Even today, many of us consider those books the best reference book for bhava results. > gave up reading half way. Honestly I felt that even I> could write a book like that! He simply culled If so, please do!!!! > statements from classics and added them in his book> under the relevant bhava judgment without bothering to> explain how or why such a statement could work. A That couldn't be more wrong. So many clear practical examples were given! > person with no knowledge of astrology can understand> neither head nor tail of these books. An astrologer > who does not interpret and explain the pithy sayings> of the classics is no great astrologer. For example> you explain the use of Arudhas even in Divisional> charts but explain how and why it is to be done. This> lends credence to what you say and there is some> chance of its acceptability. I place KN Rao on a> higher pedestal than Dr. Raman in terms of the> predictions given and probably even in his writings. Well, old people like my father who followed Dr Raman for MANY DECADES tell me that he is unsurpassed in the quantity and quality of predictions. He was highly successful for several decades. Some are probably influenced by the propaganda that came after his peak years from some self-promoting savants that came after him. A Tendulkar or Sehwag cannot make you forget Bradman. When it comes to public predictions, Dr Raman is the Bradman. In writings, I will not dare to put anybody near him. Yes, there have been more entertaining authors after him, who wrote fluffy books with a lot of style, a lot of claims and little useful substance. His books are filled with sattva guna and substance. > But there's no doubt Raman's name will live on for a> long time to come because of his complete dedication> to the craft of astrology and for having the courage> to revive a craft that was almost dead in the mid> fifties. But to compare him to Varahamira, in my I am glad you recognize atleast that. > opinion, is like comparing a Viv Richards, a Sachin> Tendulkar or a Brian Lara to any B grade batsman.>> These are just my views and we all have the right to> have our own. I agree. :-) > Warm Regards,> Vinay K May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Dear Members , Please for God sake let us stop worshiping some Guru as "he was the best" , "greatest of all" , "no one can come close to him" etc. Everyone has a right to have great respect for his guru, but I know of astrologers in various cities and even small towns who are not only great astrologers but outstanding counselors and social workers, and many of them offering services free. Unfortunately they are not internet savvy and have not published literature and may not be finding need to do marketing for themselves. But that does not reduce their greatness. I hope everyone takes my context and perspective in right spirit. Regards, Anil - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; vedic astrology Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:09 AM [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... Dear Vinay, > >>>Different people operate under different> >>>circumstances and their contributions cannot be> >>>compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close> >>>to Dr Raman's contributions. He belongs to a different> >>>level, like Varahamihira. > > Dear Narasimha,> I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong> Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha> lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did I too personally do not use Raman ayanamsa. I use Lahiri ayanamsa and believe it has only a small error. But, in the absence of a conclusive proof of the correct ayanamsa, scholars are free to use what they like. Dr Raman, Krishnamoorthy, Swami Sadashiva Giri, Swami Yukteshwar's followers all have their own favorite ayanamsas. You can fault anyone for following what they prefer. > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. He> suggested that the Navamsha chart could be shelved if> a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that There are people today shelving shashtyamsa chart. I don't see any difference between shelving navamsa and shelving shashtyamsa. > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. What's wrong with it? I use Lahiri ayanamsa and used it in all my articles published in "Astrological Magazine". They never held it against me and published my articles. When they respect my decision to use Lahiri ayanamsa, I respect their decision to use Raman ayanamsa. > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like> D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the> Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he> could give sound predictions with such techniques. That is the beauty! He gave sound predictions for several decades. Though he used what was convenient to him, he was never against the use of D-10 etc. Nor was he against the use of other dasas. He respected other views and especially those who had allegiance to maharshis. As an individual teacher, he had the freedom to focus on what worked for him and what was convenient to him. I will not blame him for exercising that freedom. Just before he passed away, I was invited to send an article and sent one containing my researches on D-27 and received his blessings in a letter. He said he was happy to see youngsters engaged in serious astrology research and gave me his encouragement and blessings. The article was published in the last "Astrological Magazine" that he edited (January 1999 issue). It was my first published article in astrology. How can you fault a man who encounraged others studying divisional charts for ignoring them? Each generation discovers (or, sometimes, invents) new things. It cannot blame the previous generations for leaving those things. Each generation has a job to do. > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy> or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some> original contributions, Raman contributed nothing> original or new to the arsenal of astrological When did having "original contributions" become a criterion for being a great astrology author? If an author comes by today and translates (interprets) Parasara perfectly, I will bow to his feet. It will be the greatest contribution anybody (apart from Parasara) would've ever made to astrology!!! Dr Raman brought the knowledge of maharshis to modern educated men. It is a far greater contribution than any original researches. > techniques. Coming to his writings, his books "How to> Judge a Horoscope Vol 1 and Vol 2" which I have read> are downright badly written books according to me. I But, countless Jyotishis learnt from those books and progressed as astrologers. Even today, many of us consider those books the best reference book for bhava results. > gave up reading half way. Honestly I felt that even I> could write a book like that! He simply culled If so, please do!!!! > statements from classics and added them in his book> under the relevant bhava judgment without bothering to> explain how or why such a statement could work. A That couldn't be more wrong. So many clear practical examples were given! > person with no knowledge of astrology can understand> neither head nor tail of these books. An astrologer > who does not interpret and explain the pithy sayings> of the classics is no great astrologer. For example> you explain the use of Arudhas even in Divisional> charts but explain how and why it is to be done. This> lends credence to what you say and there is some> chance of its acceptability. I place KN Rao on a> higher pedestal than Dr. Raman in terms of the> predictions given and probably even in his writings. Well, old people like my father who followed Dr Raman for MANY DECADES tell me that he is unsurpassed in the quantity and quality of predictions. He was highly successful for several decades. Some are probably influenced by the propaganda that came after his peak years from some self-promoting savants that came after him. A Tendulkar or Sehwag cannot make you forget Bradman. When it comes to public predictions, Dr Raman is the Bradman. In writings, I will not dare to put anybody near him. Yes, there have been more entertaining authors after him, who wrote fluffy books with a lot of style, a lot of claims and little useful substance. His books are filled with sattva guna and substance. > But there's no doubt Raman's name will live on for a> long time to come because of his complete dedication> to the craft of astrology and for having the courage> to revive a craft that was almost dead in the mid> fifties. But to compare him to Varahamira, in my I am glad you recognize atleast that. > opinion, is like comparing a Viv Richards, a Sachin> Tendulkar or a Brian Lara to any B grade batsman.>> These are just my views and we all have the right to> have our own. I agree. :-) > Warm Regards,> Vinay K May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org-------------------------------Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 font-family:Arial">Dear Vinay, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">I would want to bring a few points to your notice. font-family:Arial"> > Dear Narasimha, > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">The question of Ayanamsa is very debatable. Geocentric system was given by Ptolemy and this was accepted as the correct system. When Copernicus gave the heliocentric system, everyone including the church condemned it. His book “De Revolutionibus” was suppressed for 13 years. It is now accepted the correct planetary system. While I am not debating on which is the correct Ayanamsa to be used, it would be in order to respect each one’s belief. font-family:Arial"> > not even advocate the use of Navamsa chart. He > suggested that the Navamsa chart could be shelved if > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">The above statements are not true. Dr. Raman gave importance to the Navamsa chart. If you go through “Notable Horoscopes” by Dr. Raman, you can see how he has used the Navamsa chart in analysis and timing events. I would want to give a few lines from the talk he gave at Cambridge, England on 21 September 1970. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">He said, “I should like to be somewhat prolix in my treatment of the Navamsa chart. Its first and most important use, as I have already said, is in balancing for good or bad, the main chart so that the horoscope as a whole is assessed correctly. The most powerful Raja Yogas or combinations for royalty get tempered or even neutralized if the planets causing such Yogas are afflicted in the Navamsa. Conversely, even if the main chart is somewhat weak and the planets causing affliction are well placed in the Navamsa, the main chart secures strength”. During the usual discussions that I had with him, he always stressed on looking at the planetary placements in Navamsa chart and then draw conclusions. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">> A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like font-family:Arial">> D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the font-family:Arial">> Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he font-family:Arial">> could give sound predictions with such techniques. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Dr. Raman did use divisional charts and other Dasas. If you read his book Studies in Jaimini Astrology, he has given the various Dasa systems and also examples. He said that Vimshottari Dasa was universally applicable, and if one finds it difficult to compute other Dasas, he can safely predict using this Dasa system. During our discussions of Jaimini principles, he suggested I start with Chara Dasa and Shoola Dasa for predicting general events and timing death respectively. He also suggested the use of Ashtamsa chart along with Shoola Dasa. In regard to divisional charts, this is what he wrote “The life chart or the Rasi Kundali is indeed the basic chart upon which rests all the other charts. In it is hidden all the various factors which will come to fruition in the course of the present life of an individual. But it must be dissected into other charts so that a clear history of each one of the factors of life is obtained. Quite often the evidence which seems important in the Rasi or the main chart is modified by the evidence furnished by the subsidiary chart.” font-family:Arial"> > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. font-family:Arial">I did try using Lahiri Ayanamsa and other Ayanamsas. When I tried to analyze using Lahiri Ayanamsa, never did my grandfather or father discourage it. It was after many tests and my own understanding that I started using Raman Ayanamsa. font-family:Arial"> > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing > original or new to the arsenal of astrological font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Looks like you have not read his books completely. Apart from the general combinations that are given in the classics, Dr. Raman has also given many new and different combinations. Best example would be the Longevity chapter in Hindu Predictive Astrology. In his book, How to judge earthquakes and weather, he has given different rules and methods based on his experience. The Astrological Magazine carried lot of articles giving new ideas and thoughts in regard to Mundane Astrology. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Sri Narasimha Rao has given a good reply to your other statements and I would want to leave it at that. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">It is ok to bring out the negative points of a person, so as to help him, but it more important to verify the statements one makes. While false statements do not carry any weight, it could bring in bad Karma. font-family:Arial"> Om Tat Sat, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:09 AM ; vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... 12.0pt"> Dear Vinay, > >>>Different people operate under different > >>>circumstances and their contributions cannot be > >>>compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close > >>>to Dr Raman's contributions. He belongs to a different > >>>level, like Varahamihira. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">> color:#202020"> > Dear Narasimha, > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I too personally do not use Raman ayanamsa. I use Lahiri ayanamsa and believe it has only a small error. But, in the absence of a conclusive proof of the correct ayanamsa, scholars are free to use what they like. Dr Raman, Krishnamoorthy, Swami Sadashiva Giri, Swami Yukteshwar's followers all have their own favorite ayanamsas. You can fault anyone for following what they prefer. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. He > suggested that the Navamsha chart could be shelved if > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">There are people today shelving shashtyamsa chart. I don't see any difference between shelving navamsa and shelving shashtyamsa. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">What's wrong with it? font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">I use Lahiri ayanamsa and used it in all my articles published in "Astrological Magazine". They never held it against me and published my articles. When they respect my decision to use Lahiri ayanamsa, I respect their decision to use Raman ayanamsa. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he > could give sound predictions with such techniques. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">That is the beauty! He gave sound predictions for several decades. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Though he used what was convenient to him, he was never against the use of D-10 etc. Nor was he against the use of other dasas. He respected other views and especially those who had allegiance to maharshis. As an individual teacher, he had the freedom to focus on what worked for him and what was convenient to him. I will not blame him for exercising that freedom. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Just before he passed away, I was invited to send an article and sent one containing my researches on D-27 and received his blessings in a letter. He said he was happy to see youngsters engaged in serious astrology research and gave me his encouragement and blessings. The article was published in the last "Astrological Magazine" that he edited (January 1999 issue). It was my first published article in astrology. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">How can you fault a man who encounraged others studying divisional charts for ignoring them? font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Each generation discovers (or, sometimes, invents) new things. It cannot blame the previous generations for leaving those things. Each generation has a job to do. font-family:Arial"> > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing > original or new to the arsenal of astrological 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">When did having "original contributions" become a criterion for being a great astrology author? font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">If an author comes by today and translates (interprets) Parasara perfectly, I will bow to his feet. It will be the greatest contribution anybody (apart from Parasara) would've ever made to astrology!!! font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Dr Raman brought the knowledge of maharshis to modern educated men. It is a far greater contribution than any original researches. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > techniques. Coming to his writings, his books "How to > Judge a Horoscope Vol 1 and Vol 2" which I have read > are downright badly written books according to me. I 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">But, countless Jyotishis learnt from those books and progressed as astrologers. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> Even today, many of us consider those books the best reference book for bhava results. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > gave up reading half way. Honestly I felt that even I > could write a book like that! He simply culled 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">If so, please do!!!! font-family:Arial"> > statements from classics and added them in his book > under the relevant bhava judgment without bothering to > explain how or why such a statement could work. A 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">That couldn't be more wrong. So many clear practical examples were given! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > person with no knowledge of astrology can understand > neither head nor tail of these books. An astrologer > who does not interpret and explain the pithy sayings > of the classics is no great astrologer. For example > you explain the use of Arudhas even in Divisional > charts but explain how and why it is to be done. This > lends credence to what you say and there is some > chance of its acceptability. I place KN Rao on a > higher pedestal than Dr. Raman in terms of the > predictions given and probably even in his writings. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Well, old people like my father who followed Dr Raman for MANY DECADES tell me that he is unsurpassed in the quantity and quality of predictions. He was highly successful for several decades. Some are probably influenced by the propaganda that came after his peak years from some self-promoting savants that came after him. A Tendulkar or Sehwag cannot make you forget Bradman. When it comes to public predictions, Dr Raman is the Bradman. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">In writings, I will not dare to put anybody near him. Yes, there have been more entertaining authors after him, who wrote fluffy books with a lot of style, a lot of claims and little useful substance. His books are filled with sattva guna and substance. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > But there's no doubt Raman's name will live on for a > long time to come because of his complete dedication > to the craft of astrology and for having the courage > to revive a craft that was almost dead in the mid > fifties. But to compare him to Varahamira, in my 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I am glad you recognize atleast that. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> color:#202020"> > opinion, is like comparing a Viv Richards, a Sachin > Tendulkar or a Brian Lara to any B grade batsman. > > These are just my views and we all have the right to > have our own. I agree. :-) > Warm Regards, > Vinay K Arial"> font-family:Arial">May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org font-family:Arial">SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- 12.0pt"> Archives: vedic astrology || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Namaste, Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in navansha" Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Like a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. Could you please shed light on this. Thanks .... On 4/27/05, Raman Suprajarama <cru115 wrote: > > > Dear Vinay, > > > > I would want to bring a few points to your notice. > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong > > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha > > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did > > > > The question of Ayanamsa is very debatable. Geocentric system was given by > Ptolemy and this was accepted as the correct system. When Copernicus gave > the heliocentric system, everyone including the church condemned it. His > book "De Revolutionibus" was suppressed for 13 years. It is now accepted the > correct planetary system. While I am not debating on which is the correct > Ayanamsa to be used, it would be in order to respect each one's belief. > > > > > not even advocate the use of Navamsa chart. He > > suggested that the Navamsa chart could be shelved if > > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that > > > > The above statements are not true. Dr. Raman gave importance to the Navamsa > chart. If you go through "Notable Horoscopes" by Dr. Raman, you can see how > he has used the Navamsa chart in analysis and timing events. I would want to > give a few lines from the talk he gave at Cambridge, England on 21 September > 1970. > > > > He said, "I should like to be somewhat prolix in my treatment of the Navamsa > chart. > > > > Its first and most important use, as I have already said, is in balancing > for good or bad, the main chart so that the horoscope as a whole is assessed > correctly. The most powerful Raja Yogas or combinations for royalty get > tempered or even neutralized if the planets causing such Yogas are afflicted > in the Navamsa. Conversely, even if the main chart is somewhat weak and the > planets causing affliction are well placed in the Navamsa, the main chart > secures strength". During the usual discussions that I had with him, he > always stressed on looking at the planetary placements in Navamsa chart and > then draw conclusions. > > > > > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like > > > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the > > > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he > > > could give sound predictions with such techniques. > > > > Dr. Raman did use divisional charts and other Dasas. If you read his book > Studies in Jaimini Astrology, he has given the various Dasa systems and also > examples. He said that Vimshottari Dasa was universally applicable, and if > one finds it difficult to compute other Dasas, he can safely predict using > this Dasa system. During our discussions of Jaimini principles, he suggested > I start with Chara Dasa and Shoola Dasa for predicting general events and > timing death respectively. He also suggested the use of Ashtamsa chart along > with Shoola Dasa. In regard to divisional charts, this is what he wrote "The > life chart or the Rasi Kundali is indeed the basic chart upon which rests > all the other charts. In it is hidden all the various factors which will > come to fruition in the course of the present life of an individual. But it > must be dissected into other charts so that a clear history of each one of > the factors of life is obtained. Quite often the evidence which seems > important in the Rasi or the main chart is modified by the evidence > furnished by the subsidiary chart." > > > > > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. > > > > I did try using Lahiri Ayanamsa and other Ayanamsas. When I tried to analyze > using Lahiri Ayanamsa, never did my grandfather or father discourage it. It > was after many tests and my own understanding that I started using Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy > > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some > > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing > > original or new to the arsenal of astrological > > > > Looks like you have not read his books completely. Apart from the general > combinations that are given in the classics, Dr. Raman has also given many > new and different combinations. Best example would be the Longevity chapter > in Hindu Predictive Astrology. In his book, How to judge earthquakes and > weather, he has given different rules and methods based on his experience. > The Astrological Magazine carried lot of articles giving new ideas and > thoughts in regard to Mundane Astrology. > > > > Sri Narasimha Rao has given a good reply to your other statements and I > would want to leave it at that. > > > > It is ok to bring out the negative points of a person, so as to help him, > but it more important to verify the statements one makes. While false > statements do not carry any weight, it could bring in bad Karma. > > > > Om Tat Sat, > > > > Raman Suprajarama > > > > > ________________________________ > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:09 AM > ; vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... > > > > > Dear Vinay, > > > > > > > >>>Different people operate under different > > >>>circumstances and their contributions cannot be > > >>>compared. Also, in my opinion, nobody can come close > > >>>to Dr Raman's contributions. He belongs to a different > > >>>level, like Varahamihira. > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > I differ in my views on Dr.Raman. Raman used a wrong > > Ayanamsha, (that invariably changed the Navamsha > > lagna, navamsha position of planets) and sometimes did > > > > > > I too personally do not use Raman ayanamsa. I use Lahiri ayanamsa and > believe it has only a small error. But, in the absence of a conclusive proof > of the correct ayanamsa, scholars are free to use what they like. Dr Raman, > Krishnamoorthy, Swami Sadashiva Giri, Swami Yukteshwar's followers all have > their own favorite ayanamsas. You can fault anyone for following what they > prefer. > > > > > not even advocate the use of Navamsha chart. He > > suggested that the Navamsha chart could be shelved if > > a planet was strong in the rashi chart. I hear that > > > > > > There are people today shelving shashtyamsa chart. I don't see any > difference between shelving navamsa and shelving shashtyamsa. > > > > > even today his children faithfully use his Ayanamsha. > > > > > > What's wrong with it? > > > > > > I use Lahiri ayanamsa and used it in all my articles published in > "Astrological Magazine". They never held it against me and published my > articles. When they respect my decision to use Lahiri ayanamsa, I respect > their decision to use Raman ayanamsa. > > > > > A pity. He rarely used other divisional charts like > > D-10 etc. Raman used nothing other than the > > Vimshottari Dasha for predictions. I wonder how he > > could give sound predictions with such techniques. > > > > > > That is the beauty! He gave sound predictions for several decades. > > > > > > Though he used what was convenient to him, he was never against the use of > D-10 etc. Nor was he against the use of other dasas. He respected other > views and especially those who had allegiance to maharshis. As an individual > teacher, he had the freedom to focus on what worked for him and what was > convenient to him. I will not blame him for exercising that freedom. > > > > > > Just before he passed away, I was invited to send an article and sent one > containing my researches on D-27 and received his blessings in a letter. He > said he was happy to see youngsters engaged in serious astrology research > and gave me his encouragement and blessings. The article was published in > the last "Astrological Magazine" that he edited (January 1999 issue). It was > my first published article in astrology. > > > > > > How can you fault a man who encounraged others studying divisional charts > for ignoring them? > > > > > > Each generation discovers (or, sometimes, invents) new things. It cannot > blame the previous generations for leaving those things. Each generation has > a job to do. > > > > > > > Unlike some of his contemporaries like Krishnamurthy > > or Sheshadri Iyer who have to their credit some > > original contributions, Raman contributed nothing > > original or new to the arsenal of astrological > > > > > > When did having "original contributions" become a criterion for being a > great astrology author? > > > > > > If an author comes by today and translates (interprets) Parasara perfectly, > I will bow to his feet. It will be the greatest contribution anybody (apart > from Parasara) would've ever made to astrology!!! > > > > > > Dr Raman brought the knowledge of maharshis to modern educated men. It is a > far greater contribution than any original researches. > > > > > techniques. Coming to his writings, his books "How to > > Judge a Horoscope Vol 1 and Vol 2" which I have read > > are downright badly written books according to me. I > > > > > > But, countless Jyotishis learnt from those books and progressed as > astrologers. > > > > > > Even today, many of us consider those books the best reference book for > bhava results. > > > > > gave up reading half way. Honestly I felt that even I > > could write a book like that! He simply culled > > > > > > If so, please do!!!! > > > > > > > statements from classics and added them in his book > > under the relevant bhava judgment without bothering to > > explain how or why such a statement could work. A > > > > > > That couldn't be more wrong. So many clear practical examples were given! > > > > > person with no knowledge of astrology can understand > > neither head nor tail of these books. An astrologer > > > > who does not interpret and explain the pithy sayings > > of the classics is no great astrologer. For example > > you explain the use of Arudhas even in Divisional > > charts but explain how and why it is to be done. This > > lends credence to what you say and there is some > > chance of its acceptability. I place KN Rao on a > > higher pedestal than Dr. Raman in terms of the > > predictions given and probably even in his writings. > > > > > > Well, old people like my father who followed Dr Raman for MANY DECADES tell > me that he is unsurpassed in the quantity and quality of predictions. He was > highly successful for several decades. Some are probably influenced by the > propaganda that came after his peak years from some self-promoting savants > that came after him. A Tendulkar or Sehwag cannot make you forget Bradman. > When it comes to public predictions, Dr Raman is the Bradman. > > > > > > In writings, I will not dare to put anybody near him. Yes, there have been > more entertaining authors after him, who wrote fluffy books with a lot of > style, a lot of claims and little useful substance. His books are filled > with sattva guna and substance. > > > > > But there's no doubt Raman's name will live on for a > > long time to come because of his complete dedication > > to the craft of astrology and for having the courage > > to revive a craft that was almost dead in the mid > > fifties. But to compare him to Varahamira, in my > > > > > > I am glad you recognize atleast that. > > > > > opinion, is like comparing a Viv Richards, a Sachin > > Tendulkar or a Brian Lara to any B grade batsman. > > > > These are just my views and we all have the right to > > have our own. > > > > I agree. :-) > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > Vinay K > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Panditji, Yes, I too use aspects and yogas in Navamsa. Shri K.N.Rao also advocates the same. It gives results too. Praveen kumar (Mumbai) - Panditji vedic astrology 27, 04, 2005 6:14 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... Namaste,Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke tohim, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects.The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in navansha"Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu,mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. Likea graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc.Could you please shed light on this.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Hi Kathy, Ya..Your sense of humour is pathetic - thats what it means! Hope that helps Suresh >"Kathy" <dupedoctor >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Dr. B V Raman.... >Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:18:46 -0000 > > > >Hello! > >Can't resist telling you this!!! Just received a message from the >outer space: > > <Notable Horoscopes, page 169> ....!@#$!@$! could not make >anything out of it.. do you? > >Kate > >vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> >wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > Thanks for sharing your experiences with BV Raman. When you spoke to > > him, did he mean to use nvansha as a chart with aspects. > > > > The staement " If it is afflicted in navansha, badly placed in >navansha" > > > > Now this can mean in the same amsha as a malefic ( say with rahu, > > mangal) or debilited in navansha. Did he use aspects in navansha. >Like > > a graha in 3rd amsha from shani is afflicted etc. > > > > Could you please shed light on this. > > > > Thanks > > > > ... > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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