Houses in Divisional Charts to Pradeep (Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005)

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Namaste Pradeep ji,

I had been following this debate of what constitutes a varga,

varga chart and its interpretation and use for the astrological

predictive purposes. I'm yet a novice and am genuinely interested in

knowing the arguments on all sides. However, while I did understand

Shri Narasimha's take on this, I'm yet to understand yours. I'm not

sure if my basics aren't enough for this or your explanations are not

very clear. I'm really trying to appreciate your view point or any

other point on the vargas. In this regards may I ask you to explain

to me from basics or first-principles as they call it. Some of the

questions, I'm looking for clarity are

1) What is your definition of a varga? What do you mean by vargas are

not charts?

2) What is 'division of lagna' as opposed to 'division of house'?

3) Lagna acc to my understanding is the rising sphuta, how can it

have further divisions? Do you mean the house of lagna is divided? If

so, isn't this division of a house?

4) Also, does your argument that Vargas are divisions of lagna mean

that we are only concerned with the signs where lagna falls in the

various vargas and not anything else from those charts? i.e planets

in other signs of the varga, the houses etc.

5) According to your school of thought, what is the way in which

vargas need to be used, if at all, in the astrological

reading/prediction.

6) Are you implying that Navamsa is an exception to other vargas if

so in what ways? Besides Rasi and Navamsa, what are the other vargas

that needed to be looked into and for what specific aspects of native

do we need to look at those?

7) If possible, can you take an example of a native's chart and any

one area say career or marriage or progeny and go though the steps

involved in reading his Rasi, Navamsa or any other vargas you may

want to use or not use and explain that area of the native. I'm not

looking at the predicitive ability yet.. so you can use the chart of

a known native for making me understand your point of view.

 

I'm currently not affiliated to any group and I'm posting this coz

after many posts on this debate, I'm yet so confused on your take and

hence a detailed response from you is appreciated.

thanks and regards

-Prasad

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the sub-sub changes. Similar differences in the other Houses. They will have almost

 

identical lives, same profession, marry on smae date... etc.ennaye <ennaye > wrote:

-Dear Sir,I have been following the messages on this site with a great deal of

interest and am glad that someone has taken up the topic of twin horoscopes. It

is not easy to predict in twin horoscopes especially if the birth time

difference is negligible.I have here the details of a set of twins with t.o.b

difference of just one minute:d.o.b 17 Nov 2004t.o.b 18-40 and 18-41

respectivelyp.o.b Bangalore, Indiathe birth was by c-section and that explains

the negligible difference in birth time.In this set of charts I have not been

able to find any differences in the divisional charts also.Looks wise they are

very different and even display differences in nature.Could there be any

different methods of judging twin horoscopes?Regards,ennaye-- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:> Namaste,> > Regarding twins, you are agreeing that the

divisions of lagna are important but you are refusing to take houses from

divisional lagna. I fail to see how you can explain the differences between

twins.> > Let us try an example of twins.> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:14 am

(TZ: 5:00 west)> Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")> Moon:

25Aq38, Lagna: 17Ge37> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:29 am (TZ: 5:00 west)>

Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")> Moon: 25Aq39, Lagna:

14Ge20> > Saravali gives some general guidelines on physical attributes,

facial features and general nature based on hora, drekkana and navamsa. If you

use those guidelines, you will not really see the differences between these

twins. For example, Saravali says that one born in the 5th navamsa

of Gemini has a wide face, large chest, big head, deception, strong shoulders

etc. It says that one born in the 6th navamsa of Gemini has sweet looks,

talkative nature, uneven forehead, nice body, red lips etc.> > Now, how do you

explain the glaring difference between these two twins using just the above?> >

One twin is insane and the other is brilliant and has degrees in engineering and

medicine.> > If you take houses in divisional charts, you can explain the

differences.> > BTW, many (though not all) old astrologers who use navamsa

take houses in navamsa.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha>

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Pradeep, do you support taking houses in navamsa or> > > not? Please make that

clear.> > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Thanks a lot for your reply.> > For me

navamsha is also a division.> > Now regarding twins -you are right - lagnas

navamsha/drekkana etc is> > very important.But no bhava is needed here as

well.> > As i have always said,divisions are for our lagna and planets.Can you>

> think any other way of getting divisions.Lagna too has divisions as it> > is

having a coordinate or degree.> > Through divisions we are seeing the

kshethra,drekkana,navamsha etc of> >

our lagna.> > > > Let us take Saravali.> > > > ''Following are the effects of

births in the nine Navāńśas in Aries> > Ascendant: Effects of

Aries Ascendant, First Navāńśa: The native will> > have a face,

resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and shoulders not> > being very

prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly appearance and> > narrow eyes. His

body will be thin, but free from defects. Effects of> > Aries Ascendant, Second

Navāńśa: The native will be dark in> > complexion, will have

broad shoulders and long arms. small forehead,> > strong collar bones, sharp

sight and prominent face and nose. He will> > be an affable speaker and will

possess weak legs''. > > > > Here Aries ascendant represents our

Tanubhava(Rashi).First

navamsha of> > Aries is Aries - Thus if our lagna is within 3.2 degrees ,then

effects> > are as per first navamsha.Second navasmha in Aries is Taurus - Thus

if> > lagna is after 3 degrees 20 mins and before 6.40 we take effects as> >

per second navamsha within Aries Rashi.> > > > On the other hand bhava means -

we consider Tanu ,dhana,bhagya,labha> > etc in navamsha.I sincerely wish if

people may start taking these> > factors for chart rectification than bhavas.>

> > > Regds> > PradeepArchives:

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