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Namaste Kramer,

I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del" or "Cut and

Paste" astrologers.

....

On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys wrote:

>

> Dear Sourav/Partha

> I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears that

> Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam Sourav

> is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married, working

> or studying.

>

> I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

>

> I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I have

> read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of jyotish. It

> gave me good context.

>

> Now coming back to you:

> What are your life experiences?

> To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating, relationships,

> professional ups/setbacks etc.

>

> I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things being so

> young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work? Have you

> guys gone through this phase of life yet?

>

> Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that he/she

> will understand my problems clearly.

>

> Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus being so

> young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an internet

> analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my opinion.

>

> Kramer

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April 26, 2005

Thank You Sanjay for clarifications.

Yes,I agree with some of your arguments.

Where I live, there are so many young people who come out of school

(law school, B-school) and they are academically brilliant and yet

fail to make an impact at workplace for two reasons 1. their real

world experience is limited. 2 there needs to be some mentorship by

experienced people and the real young inexperienced person will have

to grasp it and learn as they go.

So my basic premise in asking that question to Mr. Sourav and Mr.

Partha is: how experienced are they in real life to understand the

problems of the native. Will they be able to judge the pros and cons

of a situation and give good guidance over the internet or at their

home/work?

I think the other gentleman, Mr. Anil made a case for experienced

astrologers and not young astrologers.

Kramer

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Kramer,

>

> Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this world

would

> already be a very wise place to live, As all old people would have

> become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in his

> twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

>

> Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been then

case

> then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and there

would

> be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy

teaches

> that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we are so

> dumb!.

>

> Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a Diksha

Guru.

> Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math teacher is

> Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

>

> Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light is

Diksha

> Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary Skills,

> Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma

(Jyotisha)

>

> Hope I expressed myself

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

> <giddyupguys> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

that

> > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

Sourav

> > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

working

> > or studying.

> >

> > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> >

> > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I

have

> > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of jyotish.

It

> > gave me good context.

> >

> > Now coming back to you:

> > What are your life experiences?

> > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

relationships,

> > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> >

> > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things

being so

> > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work? Have

you

> > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> >

> > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that

he/she

> > will understand my problems clearly.

> >

> > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

being so

> > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

internet

> > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my

opinion.

> >

> > Kramer

April 26, 2005

Hi.

I have been reading this thread with lot of interest,

and I couldn't stop myself from chipping-in. I have

been the best example of how a wrong advice from

astrologer can ruin one's life---I was advised to wear

diamond to strengthen Venus, which also happens to be

my lagna lord, deposited in 12 house; in addition, it

is also the lord of sixth. Needless to say, I took to

serious illness, and none of the doctors could even

diagnose my ailment. It was by sheer accident that I

removed my diamond, and my health was restored within

six months. It was later on some good astrologers told

me that it was almost suicidal to wear diamond with my

kind of planetary configuration in the horoscope.

And the said astrologer was around 70 years old and

was claiming to be practicing astrology for 40 years;

but he didnot know the basics of astrology that you

don't prescribe the gem for the sixth lord. So much

for his experience and age !

Well, the point here I am trying to make is that "AGE

CAN NOT BE ANYBODY'S QUALIFICATION OR

DISQUALIFICATION". Some of the guys like Sourav,

Vettam Krishna, Narsimha Rao, Sourav and even Partha

may be quite young, but their astrology knowledge

appears to be quite good. And astrology is a pursuit

to be practiced; the more one practices, the better he

becomes. So going by this measure again, these

youngsters don't seem to let a single opportunity of

reading the horoscope go waste; and they are also keen

on helping others. My experience with some of the

afresaid astrologers have been very good, and I can

certainly vouch for their erudition in astrology. I

definitely don't agree with a sweeping statement made

by one of the members that these astrologers are "cut

and paste astrologers".

It is not necessary that you should consider any one

of these youngsters as your Gruru; and at the same

time it is also necessary not to deride or denigrate

these youngsters becuase of their young age.

The above post is not to counter anybody's opinion or

show anybody in poor light; it is a serious attempt to

do some loud thinking with the other members.

Thanks and regards to everyone

Manoj Sharma

--- Anil VSNL <gogatea wrote:

> Dear Mr. Krammer,

>

> My god ! You seem to be hitting very hard ! I do not

> want to say anything about Sourav and Partha, but

> it is a fact that many many inexperienced boys and

> girls just by reading few books or attending some

> Vedic jyotish tuitions are advising people on forum

> as if they are very matured and experienced

> astrologers. There is a danger that they may end up

> giving wrong advice and misguide people.

>

> But Mr. Krammer, you must note that to be a good

> astrologer apart from experience, one also requires

> some other skills like maturity , holistic approach

> , good understanding of human psychology and

> counseling which not only depends on age.

>

> Your basic point looks correct , But then where to

> draw a line ? I certainly think that I can correlate

> any new case much better to my accumulated knowledge

> today than 26 years before when I started predicting

> for the first time.

>

> But then you cannot define a event when u become a

> "good" astrologer , it is a slow and steady process

> which takes many many years to mature and then

> actually you realize inadequacy of your knowledge.

>

> One last point , it is many a times easy to do a

> "post facto" analysis of a event, the real issue is

> whether one could have predicted the event earlier ?

>

> Anyway my suggestion to you is that keep on raising

> such valid points but what target them against

> active group members ?

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> giddyupguys

> Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:02 PM

> [vedic astrology] Life experiences of

> Partha and Sourav

>

> Dear Sourav/Partha

> I have a basic question. From your date of birth,

> it appears that

> Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and

> other gentlemam Sourav

> is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys

> are married, working

> or studying.

>

> I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

>

> I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good

> book that I have

> read to understand Indian life, yogis and little

> bit of jyotish. It

> gave me good context.

>

> Now coming back to you:

> What are your life experiences?

> To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it

> dating, relationships,

> professional ups/setbacks etc.

>

> I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all

> these things being so

> young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

> profession,

> childbirth etc. to people either here or at your

> home/work? Have you

> guys gone through this phase of life yet?

>

> Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be

> experienced so that he/she

> will understand my problems clearly.

>

> Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic

> astrologers/gurus being so

> young. Just reading some books on astrology and

> giving an internet

> analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic

> astrolgers, in my opinion.

>

> Kramer

>

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them eagerly

learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on them.

Regards,

Sourav

=================================================================

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Kramer,

>

> I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del" or "Cut

and

> Paste" astrologers.

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

that

> > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

Sourav

> > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

working

> > or studying.

> >

> > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> >

> > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I

have

> > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of jyotish.

It

> > gave me good context.

> >

> > Now coming back to you:

> > What are your life experiences?

> > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

relationships,

> > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> >

> > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things

being so

> > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work? Have

you

> > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> >

> > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that

he/she

> > will understand my problems clearly.

> >

> > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

being so

> > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

internet

> > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my

opinion.

> >

> > Kramer

> >

> > Group info:

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April 26, 2005

Namaste,

The key word is many, not all. Even KN rao uses email and internet but

you can not term him internet astrologer. It is dangerious game. What

Kramer has raised are very important points. I am sure that if I had

raised similar points I would have been vilified on the list.The point

that Kramer asked "Have these astrologers actually seen the remedy

they are prescribing work ?". Do not quote some book by some author.

Thats where I think age and experience comes into play. Someone

mentioned that he got bad advise from a 70 year old .No one is saying

that there are no bad old astrologers. But chances of a bad green horn

are lot higher. I have seen this in many a professional fields. people

just coming out of school some from big name universities with cocky

attitude. They can quote equations and theories like there is no

tomorrow, but an experienced campaigner can solve the same problem

without all the theoretical jagon in less time and with certainty.

The astrologer from Pune I have talked about, he does not use all

these divisions or divisional charts. He does use outer planets

especially uranus and neptune, but gives accurate predictions. He has

told things like "Your first spouse is dead and your second spouse has

deformity in the right hand.." stunningly accurate just by looking the

a certain graha in certain sign for a certain lagna. The point is he

has seen thousands of horoscopes and has developed what is called

jyotish drishti. I will trust someone like that 100 times more than

someone who can just parrot someone elses book without any life

experience or experience of having seen tons od charts.

Thats the point. Sadly I see here people ( Again not all) who can cast

charts using software and can parrot where a graha is ,in which varga,

and various dashas. That itself can take pages ( thats what I mean by

cut and paste) but there is precious little of value.Vijasdas Pradeep

also has raised very fundamental questions and I personally think what

he is saying has a lot of merit and needs a fresh outlook. The

divisions are divisions of signs not divisional charts with aspects

etc. OR are they ? Each one has to ponder this question. If that

happens atleast we can say some good came out of this heated sometimes

ugly debate. Thats my hope

....

On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Pandit-ji,

> Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them eagerly

> learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on them.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sourav

> =================================================================

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Kramer,

> >

> > I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del" or "Cut

> and

> > Paste" astrologers.

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

> that

> > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

> Sourav

> > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

> working

> > > or studying.

> > >

> > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > >

> > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I

> have

> > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of jyotish.

> It

> > > gave me good context.

> > >

> > > Now coming back to you:

> > > What are your life experiences?

> > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> relationships,

> > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > >

> > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things

> being so

> > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work? Have

> you

> > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > >

> > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that

> he/she

> > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > >

> > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

> being so

> > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> internet

> > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my

> opinion.

> > >

> > > Kramer

> > >

> > > Group info:

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April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaskar. For the n-th time, read my e-mail

properly. I opened my reply by saying that all smiles for raising

fundamental questions. But I asked why he has included my name and

Partha-ji's name and answered accordingly.

You don't read my e-mails properly (and I am sure you will respong

to this present e-mail by claiming the opposite). Also, get take

affront too easily.

I will quote from authorities all my life. That is my style.

Principally from Maharshis. They were authors too.

Pradeep-ji is raising questions. Fine by me. I am raising counter

questions. Should be fine by him too. The mere fact that he is a

heretic doesn't mean that he is a good astrologer and understands

the principle well. We will fiercly judge him on everything he says.

It will be a good exercise for him and for us.

Regards,

Sourav

=====================================================================

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The key word is many, not all. Even KN rao uses email and internet

but

> you can not term him internet astrologer. It is dangerious game.

What

> Kramer has raised are very important points. I am sure that if I

had

> raised similar points I would have been vilified on the list.The

point

> that Kramer asked "Have these astrologers actually seen the remedy

> they are prescribing work ?". Do not quote some book by some

author.

> Thats where I think age and experience comes into play. Someone

> mentioned that he got bad advise from a 70 year old .No one is

saying

> that there are no bad old astrologers. But chances of a bad green

horn

> are lot higher. I have seen this in many a professional fields.

people

> just coming out of school some from big name universities with

cocky

> attitude. They can quote equations and theories like there is no

> tomorrow, but an experienced campaigner can solve the same problem

> without all the theoretical jagon in less time and with certainty.

>

> The astrologer from Pune I have talked about, he does not use all

> these divisions or divisional charts. He does use outer planets

> especially uranus and neptune, but gives accurate predictions. He

has

> told things like "Your first spouse is dead and your second spouse

has

> deformity in the right hand.." stunningly accurate just by looking

the

> a certain graha in certain sign for a certain lagna. The point is

he

> has seen thousands of horoscopes and has developed what is called

> jyotish drishti. I will trust someone like that 100 times more than

> someone who can just parrot someone elses book without any life

> experience or experience of having seen tons od charts.

>

> Thats the point. Sadly I see here people ( Again not all) who can

cast

> charts using software and can parrot where a graha is ,in which

varga,

> and various dashas. That itself can take pages ( thats what I mean

by

> cut and paste) but there is precious little of value.Vijasdas

Pradeep

> also has raised very fundamental questions and I personally think

what

> he is saying has a lot of merit and needs a fresh outlook. The

> divisions are divisions of signs not divisional charts with aspects

> etc. OR are they ? Each one has to ponder this question. If that

> happens atleast we can say some good came out of this heated

sometimes

> ugly debate. Thats my hope

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them eagerly

> > learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on them.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> > =================================================================

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Kramer,

> > >

> > > I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del"

or "Cut

> > and

> > > Paste" astrologers.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

> > that

> > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

gentlemam

> > Sourav

> > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

> > working

> > > > or studying.

> > > >

> > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > >

> > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that

I

> > have

> > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

jyotish.

> > It

> > > > gave me good context.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > relationships,

> > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > >

> > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

things

> > being so

> > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

profession,

> > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work?

Have

> > you

> > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > >

> > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so

that

> > he/she

> > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > >

> > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

> > being so

> > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> > internet

> > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in

my

> > opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Kramer

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

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April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaste. Who is Sri K. N. Rao? Isn't he an author

too?? You are quoting/refering him. And you claimed to be

aged/experienced ? Please read below your own e-mail and tell me if

that constitutes a conflict or not ? When I quote an established

author you say in am inexperienced !!

Regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The key word is many, not all. Even KN rao uses email and internet

but

> you can not term him internet astrologer. It is dangerious game.

What

> Kramer has raised are very important points. I am sure that if I

had

> raised similar points I would have been vilified on the list.The

point

> that Kramer asked "Have these astrologers actually seen the remedy

> they are prescribing work ?". Do not quote some book by some

author.

> Thats where I think age and experience comes into play. Someone

> mentioned that he got bad advise from a 70 year old .No one is

saying

> that there are no bad old astrologers. But chances of a bad green

horn

> are lot higher. I have seen this in many a professional fields.

people

> just coming out of school some from big name universities with

cocky

> attitude. They can quote equations and theories like there is no

> tomorrow, but an experienced campaigner can solve the same problem

> without all the theoretical jagon in less time and with certainty.

>

> The astrologer from Pune I have talked about, he does not use all

> these divisions or divisional charts. He does use outer planets

> especially uranus and neptune, but gives accurate predictions. He

has

> told things like "Your first spouse is dead and your second spouse

has

> deformity in the right hand.." stunningly accurate just by looking

the

> a certain graha in certain sign for a certain lagna. The point is

he

> has seen thousands of horoscopes and has developed what is called

> jyotish drishti. I will trust someone like that 100 times more than

> someone who can just parrot someone elses book without any life

> experience or experience of having seen tons od charts.

>

> Thats the point. Sadly I see here people ( Again not all) who can

cast

> charts using software and can parrot where a graha is ,in which

varga,

> and various dashas. That itself can take pages ( thats what I mean

by

> cut and paste) but there is precious little of value.Vijasdas

Pradeep

> also has raised very fundamental questions and I personally think

what

> he is saying has a lot of merit and needs a fresh outlook. The

> divisions are divisions of signs not divisional charts with aspects

> etc. OR are they ? Each one has to ponder this question. If that

> happens atleast we can say some good came out of this heated

sometimes

> ugly debate. Thats my hope

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them eagerly

> > learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on them.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> > =================================================================

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Kramer,

> > >

> > > I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del"

or "Cut

> > and

> > > Paste" astrologers.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

> > that

> > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

gentlemam

> > Sourav

> > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

> > working

> > > > or studying.

> > > >

> > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > >

> > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that

I

> > have

> > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

jyotish.

> > It

> > > > gave me good context.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > relationships,

> > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > >

> > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

things

> > being so

> > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

profession,

> > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work?

Have

> > you

> > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > >

> > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so

that

> > he/she

> > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > >

> > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

> > being so

> > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> > internet

> > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in

my

> > opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Kramer

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology/

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > Service.

> >

> > Group info:

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

Service.

April 26, 2005

Namaste,

Why are you taking it personally. When I say "Do not quote from some

book" I do not mean YOU it is a general statement. To me what

Pradeepji is asking are the most fundamental questions and they have

to be looked at. I personally have not used the navansha as a separate

chart. By that I mean the one with aspects etc. I have always used it

to look at amsha bala. I have sometimes looked at a graha in the same

amsha as the lagna amsha of a parrticular division. I am not promoting

this method, I am just telling you what I have used and aspects in

divisions make no sense to me personally. So the questions raised by

padeepji have struck a chord with me as I personally never thought

they should be treated as separate charts. Praveenji uses them and I

have respect for his knowledge but somehow I have not conciled to the

existence of separate divisional charts. So this debate is of great

interest to me. So I will be fllowing this keenly regardless of

whether people on the list attack me personally.

....

On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Pandit-ji,

> Namaskar. For the n-th time, read my e-mail

> properly. I opened my reply by saying that all smiles for raising

> fundamental questions. But I asked why he has included my name and

> Partha-ji's name and answered accordingly.

>

> You don't read my e-mails properly (and I am sure you will respong

> to this present e-mail by claiming the opposite). Also, get take

> affront too easily.

>

> I will quote from authorities all my life. That is my style.

> Principally from Maharshis. They were authors too.

>

> Pradeep-ji is raising questions. Fine by me. I am raising counter

> questions. Should be fine by him too. The mere fact that he is a

> heretic doesn't mean that he is a good astrologer and understands

> the principle well. We will fiercly judge him on everything he says.

> It will be a good exercise for him and for us.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sourav

> =====================================================================

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste,

>

> >

> > The key word is many, not all. Even KN rao uses email and internet

> but

> > you can not term him internet astrologer. It is dangerious game.

> What

> > Kramer has raised are very important points. I am sure that if I

> had

> > raised similar points I would have been vilified on the list.The

> point

> > that Kramer asked "Have these astrologers actually seen the remedy

> > they are prescribing work ?". Do not quote some book by some

> author.

> > Thats where I think age and experience comes into play. Someone

> > mentioned that he got bad advise from a 70 year old .No one is

> saying

> > that there are no bad old astrologers. But chances of a bad green

> horn

> > are lot higher. I have seen this in many a professional fields.

> people

> > just coming out of school some from big name universities with

> cocky

> > attitude. They can quote equations and theories like there is no

> > tomorrow, but an experienced campaigner can solve the same problem

> > without all the theoretical jagon in less time and with certainty.

> >

> > The astrologer from Pune I have talked about, he does not use all

> > these divisions or divisional charts. He does use outer planets

> > especially uranus and neptune, but gives accurate predictions. He

> has

> > told things like "Your first spouse is dead and your second spouse

> has

> > deformity in the right hand.." stunningly accurate just by looking

> the

> > a certain graha in certain sign for a certain lagna. The point is

> he

> > has seen thousands of horoscopes and has developed what is called

> > jyotish drishti. I will trust someone like that 100 times more than

> > someone who can just parrot someone elses book without any life

> > experience or experience of having seen tons od charts.

> >

> > Thats the point. Sadly I see here people ( Again not all) who can

> cast

> > charts using software and can parrot where a graha is ,in which

> varga,

> > and various dashas. That itself can take pages ( thats what I mean

> by

> > cut and paste) but there is precious little of value.Vijasdas

> Pradeep

> > also has raised very fundamental questions and I personally think

> what

> > he is saying has a lot of merit and needs a fresh outlook. The

> > divisions are divisions of signs not divisional charts with aspects

> > etc. OR are they ? Each one has to ponder this question. If that

> > happens atleast we can say some good came out of this heated

> sometimes

> > ugly debate. Thats my hope

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > > Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them eagerly

> > > learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on them.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> =================================================================

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste Kramer,

> > > >

> > > > I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del"

> or "Cut

> > > and

> > > > Paste" astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

> > > that

> > > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

> gentlemam

> > > Sourav

> > > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

> > > working

> > > > > or studying.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > > >

> > > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that

> I

> > > have

> > > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

> jyotish.

> > > It

> > > > > gave me good context.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > > relationships,

> > > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

> things

> > > being so

> > > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

> profession,

> > > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work?

> Have

> > > you

> > > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so

> that

> > > he/she

> > > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

> > > being so

> > > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> > > internet

> > > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in

> my

> > > opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kramer

> > > > >

> > > > > Archives:

> > > > >

> > > > > Group info:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > > vedic astrology-

> > > > >

> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology/

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > Terms of

> > > Service.

> > >

> > > Group info:

> > > vedic astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > vedic astrology-

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Links

> > >

> > > vedic astrology/

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Terms of

> Service.

>

> Group info:

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

>

>

April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaskar. This is an utterly silly exchange of e-

mails going on. Hence I desist.

Regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Why are you taking it personally. When I say "Do not quote from

some

> book" I do not mean YOU it is a general statement. To me what

> Pradeepji is asking are the most fundamental questions and they

have

> to be looked at. I personally have not used the navansha as a

separate

> chart. By that I mean the one with aspects etc. I have always used

it

> to look at amsha bala. I have sometimes looked at a graha in the

same

> amsha as the lagna amsha of a parrticular division. I am not

promoting

> this method, I am just telling you what I have used and aspects in

> divisions make no sense to me personally. So the questions raised

by

> padeepji have struck a chord with me as I personally never thought

> they should be treated as separate charts. Praveenji uses them

and I

> have respect for his knowledge but somehow I have not conciled to

the

> existence of separate divisional charts. So this debate is of great

> interest to me. So I will be fllowing this keenly regardless of

> whether people on the list attack me personally.

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > Namaskar. For the n-th time, read my e-mail

> > properly. I opened my reply by saying that all smiles for

raising

> > fundamental questions. But I asked why he has included my name

and

> > Partha-ji's name and answered accordingly.

> >

> > You don't read my e-mails properly (and I am sure you will

respong

> > to this present e-mail by claiming the opposite). Also, get take

> > affront too easily.

> >

> > I will quote from authorities all my life. That is my style.

> > Principally from Maharshis. They were authors too.

> >

> > Pradeep-ji is raising questions. Fine by me. I am raising

counter

> > questions. Should be fine by him too. The mere fact that he is a

> > heretic doesn't mean that he is a good astrologer and

understands

> > the principle well. We will fiercly judge him on everything he

says.

> > It will be a good exercise for him and for us.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

=====================================================================

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> >

> > >

> > > The key word is many, not all. Even KN rao uses email and

internet

> > but

> > > you can not term him internet astrologer. It is dangerious

game.

> > What

> > > Kramer has raised are very important points. I am sure that if

I

> > had

> > > raised similar points I would have been vilified on the

list.The

> > point

> > > that Kramer asked "Have these astrologers actually seen the

remedy

> > > they are prescribing work ?". Do not quote some book by some

> > author.

> > > Thats where I think age and experience comes into play. Someone

> > > mentioned that he got bad advise from a 70 year old .No one is

> > saying

> > > that there are no bad old astrologers. But chances of a bad

green

> > horn

> > > are lot higher. I have seen this in many a professional

fields.

> > people

> > > just coming out of school some from big name universities with

> > cocky

> > > attitude. They can quote equations and theories like there is

no

> > > tomorrow, but an experienced campaigner can solve the same

problem

> > > without all the theoretical jagon in less time and with

certainty.

> > >

> > > The astrologer from Pune I have talked about, he does not use

all

> > > these divisions or divisional charts. He does use outer planets

> > > especially uranus and neptune, but gives accurate predictions.

He

> > has

> > > told things like "Your first spouse is dead and your second

spouse

> > has

> > > deformity in the right hand.." stunningly accurate just by

looking

> > the

> > > a certain graha in certain sign for a certain lagna. The point

is

> > he

> > > has seen thousands of horoscopes and has developed what is

called

> > > jyotish drishti. I will trust someone like that 100 times more

than

> > > someone who can just parrot someone elses book without any life

> > > experience or experience of having seen tons od charts.

> > >

> > > Thats the point. Sadly I see here people ( Again not all) who

can

> > cast

> > > charts using software and can parrot where a graha is ,in

which

> > varga,

> > > and various dashas. That itself can take pages ( thats what I

mean

> > by

> > > cut and paste) but there is precious little of value.Vijasdas

> > Pradeep

> > > also has raised very fundamental questions and I personally

think

> > what

> > > he is saying has a lot of merit and needs a fresh outlook. The

> > > divisions are divisions of signs not divisional charts with

aspects

> > > etc. OR are they ? Each one has to ponder this question. If

that

> > > happens atleast we can say some good came out of this heated

> > sometimes

> > > ugly debate. Thats my hope

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > > > Namaskar. I do not. Instead I call them

eagerly

> > > > learning astrologers. May Lord Ganesha keep and watch on

them.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > =================================================================

> > > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Kramer,

> > > > >

> > > > > I call many of these internet astrologers "ctrl-Alt-Del"

> > or "Cut

> > > > and

> > > > > Paste" astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/26/05, giddyupguys <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it

appears

> > > > that

> > > > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

> > gentlemam

> > > > Sourav

> > > > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are

married,

> > > > working

> > > > > > or studying.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book

that

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

> > jyotish.

> > > > It

> > > > > > gave me good context.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > > > relationships,

> > > > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

> > things

> > > > being so

> > > > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

> > profession,

> > > > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your

home/work?

> > Have

> > > > you

> > > > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced

so

> > that

> > > > he/she

> > > > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic

astrologers/gurus

> > > > being so

> > > > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving

an

> > > > internet

> > > > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers,

in

> > my

> > > > opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kramer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Archives:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Group info:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > > > vedic astrology-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Terms

of

> > > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology/

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > Service.

> >

> > Group info:

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

Service.

April 26, 2005

Namaste,

This reminds me of two lines from Tennyson's poem.

"Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers

and I linger on the shore

And the individual withers but life is more and more ..."

That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom. What Kramer is

referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise jyotishi

with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books even

memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can be

aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age and life

experience.

....

On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Kramer,

>

> Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this world would

> already be a very wise place to live, As all old people would have

> become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in his

> twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

>

> Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been then case

> then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and there would

> be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy teaches

> that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we are so

> dumb!.

>

> Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a Diksha Guru.

> Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math teacher is

> Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

>

> Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light is Diksha

> Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary Skills,

> Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma (Jyotisha)

>

> Hope I expressed myself

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

>

> <giddyupguys> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears that

> > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam Sourav

> > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married, working

> > or studying.

> >

> > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> >

> > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I have

> > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of jyotish. It

> > gave me good context.

> >

> > Now coming back to you:

> > What are your life experiences?

> > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating, relationships,

> > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> >

> > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things being so

> > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work? Have you

> > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> >

> > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that he/she

> > will understand my problems clearly.

> >

> > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus being so

> > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an internet

> > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my opinion.

> >

> > Kramer

>

> Group info:

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

>

>

April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaskar. Let our Beloved Lord decide who is wise,

and who will have wisdom & when.

Regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> This reminds me of two lines from Tennyson's poem.

>

> "Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers

>

> and I linger on the shore

>

> And the individual withers but life is more and more ..."

>

> That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom. What Kramer

is

> referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise jyotishi

> with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books even

> memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can be

> aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age and

life

> experience.

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Kramer,

> >

> > Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this world

would

> > already be a very wise place to live, As all old people would

have

> > become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in his

> > twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

> >

> > Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been then

case

> > then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and there

would

> > be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy

teaches

> > that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we are

so

> > dumb!.

> >

> > Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a Diksha

Guru.

> > Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math teacher is

> > Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

> >

> > Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light is

Diksha

> > Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> > understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary

Skills,

> > Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma

(Jyotisha)

> >

> > Hope I expressed myself

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

> >

> > <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

that

> > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

Sourav

> > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

working

> > > or studying.

> > >

> > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > >

> > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I

have

> > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

jyotish. It

> > > gave me good context.

> > >

> > > Now coming back to you:

> > > What are your life experiences?

> > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

relationships,

> > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > >

> > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things

being so

> > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work?

Have you

> > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > >

> > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that

he/she

> > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > >

> > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

being so

> > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

internet

> > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my

opinion.

> > >

> > > Kramer

> >

> > Group info:

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

Service.

April 26, 2005

Namaste,

Unfortunately the decision has to be made by the jatak not the beloved

lord. Now if I ask any memeber of this list, who they consider wiser,

themselves or their father ? What you think the answer would be from

the majority ?

....

On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Pandit-ji,

> Namaskar. Let our Beloved Lord decide who is wise,

> and who will have wisdom & when.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sourav

> ====================================================================

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > This reminds me of two lines from Tennyson's poem.

> >

> > "Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers

> >

> > and I linger on the shore

> >

> > And the individual withers but life is more and more ..."

> >

> > That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom. What Kramer

> is

> > referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise jyotishi

> > with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books even

> > memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can be

> > aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age and

> life

> > experience.

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Kramer,

> > >

> > > Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this world

> would

> > > already be a very wise place to live, As all old people would

> have

> > > become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in his

> > > twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

> > >

> > > Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been then

> case

> > > then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and there

> would

> > > be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy

> teaches

> > > that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we are

> so

> > > dumb!.

> > >

> > > Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a Diksha

> Guru.

> > > Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math teacher is

> > > Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

> > >

> > > Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light is

> Diksha

> > > Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> > > understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary

> Skills,

> > > Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma

> (Jyotisha)

> > >

> > > Hope I expressed myself

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > >

> > > <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it appears

> that

> > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

> Sourav

> > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married,

> working

> > > > or studying.

> > > >

> > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > >

> > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book that I

> have

> > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

> jyotish. It

> > > > gave me good context.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> relationships,

> > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > >

> > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these things

> being so

> > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage, profession,

> > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your home/work?

> Have you

> > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > >

> > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that

> he/she

> > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > >

> > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus

> being so

> > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> internet

> > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my

> opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Kramer

> > >

> > > Group info:

> > > vedic astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > vedic astrology-

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Links

> > >

> > > vedic astrology/

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Terms of

> Service.

>

> Group info:

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

>

>

April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Pandit-ji,

Namaskar. The assumption is that majority is wise. It

may not be the right assumption. Your e-mails are bringing out

the argumentative part in me. I am sorry about my limitations.

Regards,

Sourav

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Unfortunately the decision has to be made by the jatak not the

beloved

> lord. Now if I ask any memeber of this list, who they consider

wiser,

> themselves or their father ? What you think the answer would be

from

> the majority ?

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > Namaskar. Let our Beloved Lord decide who is

wise,

> > and who will have wisdom & when.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

====================================================================

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > This reminds me of two lines from Tennyson's poem.

> > >

> > > "Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers

> > >

> > > and I linger on the shore

> > >

> > > And the individual withers but life is more and more ..."

> > >

> > > That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom. What

Kramer

> > is

> > > referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise

jyotishi

> > > with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books

even

> > > memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can

be

> > > aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age

and

> > life

> > > experience.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Kramer,

> > > >

> > > > Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this

world

> > would

> > > > already be a very wise place to live, As all old people

would

> > have

> > > > become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in

his

> > > > twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

> > > >

> > > > Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been

then

> > case

> > > > then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and

there

> > would

> > > > be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy

> > teaches

> > > > that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we

are

> > so

> > > > dumb!.

> > > >

> > > > Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a

Diksha

> > Guru.

> > > > Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math

teacher is

> > > > Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light

is

> > Diksha

> > > > Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> > > > understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary

> > Skills,

> > > > Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma

> > (Jyotisha)

> > > >

> > > > Hope I expressed myself

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > > >

> > > > <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it

appears

> > that

> > > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

gentlemam

> > Sourav

> > > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are

married,

> > working

> > > > > or studying.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > > >

> > > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book

that I

> > have

> > > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

> > jyotish. It

> > > > > gave me good context.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > relationships,

> > > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

things

> > being so

> > > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

profession,

> > > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your

home/work?

> > Have you

> > > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so

that

> > he/she

> > > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic

astrologers/gurus

> > being so

> > > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> > internet

> > > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in

my

> > opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kramer

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology/

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > Service.

> >

> > Group info:

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

Service.

April 26, 2005

The same question was many Time asked from me also that what is your age and

experience??

Members...I want to say something...There are many types of persons in this

world..Some persons are physchollogical from the birth they can read all

emotions of a person seeing his/her gestures even in very small age.......Like

this, a person who has not taken experience of life but can understand all

emotions of world and can find all events of one person's life...How?? suppose

a person is not married but he has seen his brother's married life and if there

is any problem in his's brother married life he can understand other's persons

problems...But for this one has to be very spiritual and emotional...Hope you

can understand my point

Best regards

RichaPanditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste,Unfortunately the decision has to be made by the jatak not the

belovedlord. Now if I ask any memeber of this list, who they consider

wiser,themselves or their father ? What you think the answer would be fromthe

majority ?...On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 > wrote:> > ||

Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Pandit-ji,> Namaskar. Let our

Beloved Lord decide who is wise, > and who will have wisdom & when.> >

Regards,> > Sourav>

====================================================================> --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> >

Namaste,> > > > This reminds me of

two lines from Tennyson's poem. > > > > "Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers > >

> > and I linger on the shore> > > > And the individual withers but life is

more and more ..."> > > > That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom.

What Kramer > is> > referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise

jyotishi> > with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books

even> > memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can be> >

aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age and > life> >

experience.> > > > ...> > > > On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Dear

Kramer,> > > > > > Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been

so, this world > would> > > already be a very wise place to live, As all old

people would > have> > > become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha

Guru in his> > > twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.> > > > > >

Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been then > case> > >

then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and there > would> > > be

no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy > teaches> > > that

we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we are > so> > > dumb!. >

> > > > > Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a Diksha >

Guru.> > > Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math teacher is> >

> Shiksha(Learning) Guru.> > > > > > Yogananda is a

Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light is > Diksha> > > Guru till we get

Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to> > > understand our daily problems

whether it be Math, Culinary > Skills,> > > Keeping ourselves healthy and

clean(Mother) or Law of Karma > (Jyotisha)> > > > > > Hope I expressed myself >

> > > > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"> > > > > >

<giddyupguys> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Sourav/Partha> > > > I have a

basic question. From your date of birth, it appears > that > > > > Partha is

yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other gentlemam

> Sourav > > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are married, >

working > > > > or studying.> > > > > > > > I think Partha is a Guru also!

(good for you)> > > > > > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very

good book that I > have > > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and

little bit of > jyotish. It > > > > gave me good context.> > > > > > > > Now

coming back to you:> > > > What are your life experiences?> > > > To me age

brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating, > relationships, > > > >

professional ups/setbacks etc.> > > > > > > > I don't even know if you guys

have a clue of all these things > being so > > > > young. How can you give

advice regarding

marriage, profession, > > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your

home/work? > Have you > > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?> > > >

> > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so that > he/she

> > > > will understand my problems clearly.> > > > > > > > Educate me! What

makes you guys good vedic astrologers/gurus > being so > > > > young. Just

reading some books on astrology and giving an > internet > > > > analysis of

horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in my > opinion.> > > > > > > >

Kramer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives:

vedic astrology>

> > > > > Group info:> > >

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UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > > vedic astrology-> > > >

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April 26, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Richa-ji,

Namaskar. Unfortunately there are persons who will

only ask how aged you are and how much experience you have. Then

finally they will ask a question : "do you think you are wiser than

your father" ?! Such people are not uncommon.

Regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

vedic astrology, Richa Gupta

<richas_lucky> wrote:

> Dear members Sorry for participating in this discussion....

> The same question was many Time asked from me also that what is

your age and experience??

> Members...I want to say something...There are many types of

persons in this world..Some persons are physchollogical from the

birth they can read all emotions of a person seeing his/her gestures

even in very small age.......Like this, a person who has not taken

experience of life but can understand all emotions of world and can

find all events of one person's life...How?? suppose a person is not

married but he has seen his brother's married life and if there is

any problem in his's brother married life he can understand other's

persons problems...But for this one has to be very spiritual and

emotional...

> Hope you can understand my point

> Best regards

> Richa

> Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Unfortunately the decision has to be made by the jatak not the

beloved

> lord. Now if I ask any memeber of this list, who they consider

wiser,

> themselves or their father ? What you think the answer would be

from

> the majority ?

>

> ...

>

> On 4/26/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Pandit-ji,

> > Namaskar. Let our Beloved Lord decide who is

wise,

> > and who will have wisdom & when.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

====================================================================

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > This reminds me of two lines from Tennyson's poem.

> > >

> > > "Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers

> > >

> > > and I linger on the shore

> > >

> > > And the individual withers but life is more and more ..."

> > >

> > > That sums up difference between knowledge and wisdom. What

Kramer

> > is

> > > referring to is probably wise jyotishi. I will take a wise

jyotishi

> > > with a bit less knowledge than someone who just has read books

even

> > > memorised them but has little or no wisdom. BTW knowledge can

be

> > > aquired at an early age, however wisdom mostly comes with age

and

> > life

> > > experience.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/26/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Kramer,

> > > >

> > > > Age is not criteria for Wisdom, If that had been so, this

world

> > would

> > > > already be a very wise place to live, As all old people

would

> > have

> > > > become wise with age. Shankaraacharya was a Diksha Guru in

his

> > > > twenties and by thirties he wound up and left.

> > > >

> > > > Experience is also not a criteria for wisdom, had that been

then

> > case

> > > > then we would have never been repeating our mistakes and

there

> > would

> > > > be no saying like 'History repeats itself'. Vedic Philosophy

> > teaches

> > > > that we already have the experience of so many lifes. Yet we

are

> > so

> > > > dumb!.

> > > >

> > > > Another point, A Jyotish Guru is Shiksha Guru and not a

Diksha

> > Guru.

> > > > Guru is one who teaches or shows light. Even your Math

teacher is

> > > > Shiksha(Learning) Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Yogananda is a Diksha Guru. One who shows the ultimate Light

is

> > Diksha

> > > > Guru till we get Diksha Guru we have to have some teachers to

> > > > understand our daily problems whether it be Math, Culinary

> > Skills,

> > > > Keeping ourselves healthy and clean(Mother) or Law of Karma

> > (Jyotisha)

> > > >

> > > > Hope I expressed myself

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "giddyupguys"

> > > >

> > > > <giddyupguys> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav/Partha

> > > > > I have a basic question. From your date of birth, it

appears

> > that

> > > > > Partha is yet to hit 30 years (1976 born) and other

gentlemam

> > Sourav

> > > > > is (1978 born) young. I do not know if you guys are

married,

> > working

> > > > > or studying.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think Partha is a Guru also! (good for you)

> > > > >

> > > > > I followed Yogananda book and that was a very good book

that I

> > have

> > > > > read to understand Indian life, yogis and little bit of

> > jyotish. It

> > > > > gave me good context.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming back to you:

> > > > > What are your life experiences?

> > > > > To me age brings lot of life experiences: Be it dating,

> > relationships,

> > > > > professional ups/setbacks etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't even know if you guys have a clue of all these

things

> > being so

> > > > > young. How can you give advice regarding marriage,

profession,

> > > > > childbirth etc. to people either here or at your

home/work?

> > Have you

> > > > > guys gone through this phase of life yet?

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly I want my Vedic astrologer to be experienced so

that

> > he/she

> > > > > will understand my problems clearly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Educate me! What makes you guys good vedic

astrologers/gurus

> > being so

> > > > > young. Just reading some books on astrology and giving an

> > internet

> > > > > analysis of horoscope cannot make you vedic astrolgers, in

my

> > opinion.

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