Houses in Divisional Charts to Pradeep (Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005)

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

I am not agreeing to lagnas navamsha and features just for the case

of twins.It is applicable for any jataka and has been my view always.

 

Ourselves getting satisfied with analysis cannot be a logical

conclusion or assertion.In the case of Pope we have seen this.If you

agree with this, fine.Else please read the following.

 

Thanks for the data.But for twins - The chart given by ennaye

proves your claim insufficient.When taken through Ceasaran section,

even shastiamshas can be the same.

 

Also when children are born for different parents(quoting

Jagannathan ji) in the same hospital - the story is no different.In

this case Parent's Karma is the clue.Now nadiamshas can also be

helpful. Thus the riddle of twin is just one among the numerous ones

which is difficult to solve.This does not mean we can deform basics.

 

Of course the explanations in Saravali are general and cannot be

taken verbatim.But so is the case with any other astrological

shloka - one has to account for modifications.

 

But this is an excellent proof that within a rashi, various points

carry different meanings.These are not mappings.A planet has got

full control over kshethra - but this kshethra is again divided and

roles are given based on the type of division.Hence lordship for the

first navamsha within in Aries Rashi is given to Mars himself, while

the last one is

given to Guru.Vargottama can be better understood if we study this

aspect carefully.When my Lagna or any other Bhava lord falls in a

division ruled by its dispositor - it is vargottama - it is under

the area controlled by the same planet at navamsha as well as

kshethra level.In shastyamsha - we are checking our planet/lagnas

influence closely(within half a degree) - Hence more vimshopaka bala.

 

I do not want to repeat the points again.You may kindly read the 3

messages(as addressed to shri Saurav) i have posted and answer my

doubts.You may choose from - a)logically prove me wrong b) agree

that the new theory (bhavas in vargamshas - not advised by Parashra)

is only an assumption c)inspite of valid points - you are not going

to agree d)ignore me.

 

Whatever be the answer ,i am happy.I am requesting this as you are

logically answering my doubts and doing a constructive debate.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Regarding twins, you are agreeing that the divisions of lagna are

important but you are refusing to take houses from divisional lagna.

I fail to see how you can explain the differences between twins.

>

> Let us try an example of twins.

>

> (1) 15th September 1970, 1:14 am (TZ: 5:00 west)

> Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

> Moon: 25Aq38, Lagna: 17Ge37

>

> (1) 15th September 1970, 1:29 am (TZ: 5:00 west)

> Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

> Moon: 25Aq39, Lagna: 14Ge20

>

> Saravali gives some general guidelines on physical attributes,

facial features and general nature based on hora, drekkana and

navamsa. If you use those guidelines, you will not really see the

differences between these twins. For example, Saravali says that one

born in the 5th navamsa of Gemini has a wide face, large chest, big

head, deception, strong shoulders etc. It says that one born in the

6th navamsa of Gemini has sweet looks, talkative nature, uneven

forehead, nice body, red lips etc.

>

> Now, how do you explain the glaring difference between these two

twins using just the above?

>

> One twin is insane and the other is brilliant and has degrees in

engineering and medicine.

>

> If you take houses in divisional charts, you can explain the

differences.

>

> BTW, many (though not all) old astrologers who use navamsa take

houses in navamsa.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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>

> > > Pradeep, do you support taking houses in navamsa or

> > > not? Please make that clear.

> >

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your reply.

> > For me navamsha is also a division.

> > Now regarding twins -you are right - lagnas navamsha/drekkana

etc is

> > very important.But no bhava is needed here as well.

> > As i have always said,divisions are for our lagna and

planets.Can you

> > think any other way of getting divisions.Lagna too has divisions

as it

> > is having a coordinate or degree.

> > Through divisions we are seeing the kshethra,drekkana,navamsha

etc of

> > our lagna.

> >

> > Let us take Saravali.

> >

> > ''Following are the effects of births in the nine

Navāńśas in Aries

> > Ascendant: Effects of Aries Ascendant, First

Navāńśa: The native will

> > have a face, resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and

shoulders not

> > being very prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly

appearance and

> > narrow eyes. His body will be thin, but free from defects.

Effects of

> > Aries Ascendant, Second Navāńśa: The native will

be dark in

> > complexion, will have broad shoulders and long arms. small

forehead,

> > strong collar bones, sharp sight and prominent face and nose. He

will

> > be an affable speaker and will possess weak legs''.

> >

> > Here Aries ascendant represents our Tanubhava(Rashi).First

navamsha of

> > Aries is Aries - Thus if our lagna is within 3.2 degrees ,then

effects

> > are as per first navamsha.Second navasmha in Aries is Taurus -

Thus if

> > lagna is after 3 degrees 20 mins and before 6.40 we take effects

as

> > per second navamsha within Aries Rashi.

> >

> > On the other hand bhava means - we consider

Tanu ,dhana,bhagya,labha

> > etc in navamsha.I sincerely wish if people may start taking these

> > factors for chart rectification than bhavas.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

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As per the KP system the Asc. Lords of Sign/star/sub/subsub are as below

 

1.14 time Mer/Rah/Mer/Sat

 

1.29 time Mer/Rah/Sun/Rahu

 

Mer is Retro. A good KP astrolger can explain the Differences.

 

I am not good. But I feel the Twin Born @ 1.14 should be the Highly qualified man.

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste,

 

Regarding twins, you are agreeing that the divisions of lagna are important but

you are refusing to take houses from divisional lagna. I fail to see how you

can explain the differences between twins.

 

Let us try an example of twins.

 

(1) 15th September 1970, 1:14 am (TZ: 5:00 west)Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W

03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

Moon: 25Aq38, Lagna: 17Ge37

(1) 15th September 1970, 1:29 am (TZ: 5:00 west)Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W

03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

Moon: 25Aq39, Lagna: 14Ge20

Saravali gives some general guidelines on physical attributes, facial features

and general nature based on hora, drekkana and navamsa. If you use those

guidelines, you will not really see the differences between these twins. For

example, Saravali says that one born in the 5th navamsa of Gemini has a wide

face, large chest, big head, deception, strong shoulders etc. It says that one

born in the 6th navamsa of Gemini has sweet looks, talkative nature, uneven

forehead, nice body, red lips etc.

 

Now, how do you explain the glaring difference between these two twins using just the above?

 

One twin is insane and the other is brilliant and has degrees in engineering and medicine.

 

If you take houses in divisional charts, you can explain the differences.

 

BTW, many (though not all) old astrologers who use navamsa take houses in navamsa.

 

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> > Pradeep, do you support taking houses in navamsa or > > not? Please make that clear.

> > Dear Narasimha ji> > Thanks a lot for your reply.> For me navamsha is also a

division.> Now regarding twins -you are right - lagnas navamsha/drekkana etc is>

very important.But no bhava is needed here as well.> As i have always

said,divisions are for our lagna and planets.Can you> think any other way of

getting divisions.Lagna too has divisions as it> is having a coordinate or

degree.> Through divisions we are seeing the kshethra,drekkana,navamsha etc of>

our lagna.> > Let us take Saravali.> > ''Following are the effects of births in

the nine Navāńśas in Aries> Ascendant: Effects of Aries

Ascendant, First Navāńśa: The native will> have a face,

resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and

shoulders not> being very prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly

appearance and> narrow eyes. His body will be thin, but free from defects.

Effects of> Aries Ascendant, Second Navāńśa: The native will be

dark in> complexion, will have broad shoulders and long arms. small forehead,>

strong collar bones, sharp sight and prominent face and nose. He will> be an

affable speaker and will possess weak legs''. > > Here Aries ascendant

represents our Tanubhava(Rashi).First navamsha of> Aries is Aries - Thus if our

lagna is within 3.2 degrees ,then effects> are as per first navamsha.Second

navasmha in Aries is Taurus - Thus if> lagna is after 3 degrees 20 mins and

before 6.40 we take effects as> per second navamsha within Aries Rashi.> > On

the other hand bhava means - we consider Tanu ,dhana,bhagya,labha> etc in

navamsha.I sincerely wish if people may

start taking these> factors for chart rectification than bhavas.> > Regds> Pradeep

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