Houses in Divisional Charts to Pradeep(Re:Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005)

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How there can be different methods to judge twins ? Astrology is based on

universally applicable and replicable principles. Only thing is that we know a

little and apply only a fraction of what we know. For appearance, you should

see many things like 'Varnada lagna' etc which I too have never seen so far.

Then, an integrated picture can come through using all D-charts with Rasi

chart. Now, even the known D-charts change within 2 minutes (D-60). Sometimes

even seconds matter. Besides this, we hear of Nadi-amsas (first half and later

half) which change every 24 seconds. Hence, the problem basically is our

limited knowledge and then limited use of even this limited knowledge for which

non-availability of correct TOB too is partly responsible.

 

Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

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ennaye

vedic astrology

25, 04, 2005 10:44 AM

[vedic astrology] Houses in Divisional Charts to

Pradeep(Re:Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005)

-Dear Sir,I have been following the messages on this site with a great deal of

interest and am glad that someone has taken up the topic of twin horoscopes. It

is not easy to predict in twin horoscopes especially if the birth time

difference is negligible.I have here the details of a set of twins with t.o.b

difference of just one minute:d.o.b 17 Nov 2004t.o.b 18-40 and 18-41

respectivelyp.o.b Bangalore, Indiathe birth was by c-section and that explains

the negligible difference in birth time.In this set of charts I have not been

able to find any differences in the divisional charts also.Looks wise they are

very different and even display differences in nature.Could there be any

different methods of judging twin horoscopes?Regards,ennaye-- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>

Namaste,> > Regarding twins, you are agreeing that the divisions of lagna are

important but you are refusing to take houses from divisional lagna. I fail to

see how you can explain the differences between twins.> > Let us try an

example of twins.> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:14 am (TZ: 5:00 west)>

Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")> Moon: 25Aq38, Lagna:

17Ge37> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:29 am (TZ: 5:00 west)> Stillwater,

Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")> Moon: 25Aq39, Lagna: 14Ge20> >

Saravali gives some general guidelines on physical attributes, facial features

and general nature based on hora, drekkana and navamsa. If you use those

guidelines, you will not really see the differences between these twins. For

example, Saravali says that one born in the 5th navamsa of Gemini has a wide

face, large chest, big head, deception, strong shoulders etc. It says that one

born in the 6th navamsa of Gemini has sweet looks, talkative nature, uneven

forehead, nice body, red lips etc.> > Now, how do you explain the glaring

difference between these two twins using just the above?> > One twin is insane

and the other is brilliant and has degrees in engineering and medicine.> > If

you take houses in divisional charts, you can explain the differences.> > BTW,

many (though not all) old astrologers who use navamsa take houses in navamsa.>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha>

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Pradeep, do you support taking houses in navamsa or> > > not? Please make that

clear.> > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Thanks a lot for your reply.> > For me

navamsha is also a division.> > Now regarding twins -you are right - lagnas

navamsha/drekkana etc is> > very important.But no bhava is needed here as

well.> > As i have always said,divisions are for our lagna and planets.Can you>

> think any other way of getting divisions.Lagna too has divisions as it> > is

having a coordinate or degree.> > Through divisions we are seeing the

kshethra,drekkana,navamsha etc of> > our lagna.> > > > Let us take Saravali.> >

> > ''Following are the effects of births in the nine Navāńśas in

Aries> > Ascendant: Effects of Aries Ascendant, First Navāńśa:

The native will> > have a face, resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and

shoulders not> > being very prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly

appearance and> > narrow eyes. His body will be thin, but free from defects.

Effects of> > Aries Ascendant, Second Navāńśa: The native will

be dark in> > complexion, will have broad shoulders and long arms. small

forehead,> > strong collar bones, sharp sight and prominent face and nose. He

will> > be an affable speaker and will possess weak legs''. > > > > Here Aries

ascendant represents our Tanubhava(Rashi).First navamsha of> > Aries is Aries -

Thus if our lagna is within 3.2 degrees ,then effects> > are as per first

navamsha.Second navasmha in Aries is Taurus - Thus if> > lagna is after 3

degrees 20 mins and before 6.40 we take effects as> > per second navamsha

within Aries Rashi.> > > > On the other hand bhava means - we consider Tanu

,dhana,bhagya,labha> > etc in navamsha.I sincerely wish if people may start

taking these> > factors for chart rectification than bhavas.> > > > Regds> >

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-Sir, you are absolutely right and I fully agree with you that the

problem is in our limited insight, hence the efforts to learn more

from those gifted with deeper knowledge.

I have tried to find the differences in these charts inthe divisions

also. But surely there is something in the scheme of things which I

for one cannot deduce for definitely differences are there.

Well, maybe some day things will be clearer.

Regards,

ennaye

-- In vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> How there can be different methods to judge twins ? Astrology is

based on universally applicable and replicable principles. Only

thing is that we know a little and apply only a fraction of what we

know. For appearance, you should see many things like 'Varnada

lagna' etc which I too have never seen so far. Then, an integrated

picture can come through using all D-charts with Rasi chart. Now,

even the known D-charts change within 2 minutes (D-60). Sometimes

even seconds matter. Besides this, we hear of Nadi-amsas (first half

and later half) which change every 24 seconds. Hence, the problem

basically is our limited knowledge and then limited use of even this

limited knowledge for which non-availability of correct TOB too is

partly responsible.

>

> Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> ennaye

> vedic astrology

> 25, 04, 2005 10:44 AM

> [vedic astrology] Houses in Divisional Charts to Pradeep

(Re:Miscellaneous Replies for April 23, 2005)

>

>

>

> -Dear Sir,

> I have been following the messages on this site with a great

deal of

> interest and am glad that someone has taken up the topic of twin

> horoscopes. It is not easy to predict in twin horoscopes

especially

> if the birth time difference is negligible.

> I have here the details of a set of twins with t.o.b difference

of

> just one minute:

> d.o.b 17 Nov 2004

> t.o.b 18-40 and 18-41 respectively

> p.o.b Bangalore, India

> the birth was by c-section and that explains the negligible

> difference in birth time.

> In this set of charts I have not been able to find any

differences

> in the divisional charts also.

> Looks wise they are very different and even display differences

in

> nature.

> Could there be any different methods of judging twin horoscopes?

>

> Regards,

> ennaye

> -- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Regarding twins, you are agreeing that the divisions of lagna

are

> important but you are refusing to take houses from divisional

lagna.

> I fail to see how you can explain the differences between twins.

> >

> > Let us try an example of twins.

> >

> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:14 am (TZ: 5:00 west)

> > Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

> > Moon: 25Aq38, Lagna: 17Ge37

> >

> > (1) 15th September 1970, 1:29 am (TZ: 5:00 west)

> > Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA (97 W 03' 29", 36 N 06' 56")

> > Moon: 25Aq39, Lagna: 14Ge20

> >

> > Saravali gives some general guidelines on physical attributes,

> facial features and general nature based on hora, drekkana and

> navamsa. If you use those guidelines, you will not really see

the

> differences between these twins. For example, Saravali says that

one

> born in the 5th navamsa of Gemini has a wide face, large chest,

big

> head, deception, strong shoulders etc. It says that one born in

the

> 6th navamsa of Gemini has sweet looks, talkative nature, uneven

> forehead, nice body, red lips etc.

> >

> > Now, how do you explain the glaring difference between these

two

> twins using just the above?

> >

> > One twin is insane and the other is brilliant and has degrees

in

> engineering and medicine.

> >

> > If you take houses in divisional charts, you can explain the

> differences.

> >

> > BTW, many (though not all) old astrologers who use navamsa

take

> houses in navamsa.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

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> > ------------------------------

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> >

> > > > Pradeep, do you support taking houses in navamsa or

> > > > not? Please make that clear.

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your reply.

> > > For me navamsha is also a division.

> > > Now regarding twins -you are right - lagnas

navamsha/drekkana

> etc is

> > > very important.But no bhava is needed here as well.

> > > As i have always said,divisions are for our lagna and

> planets.Can you

> > > think any other way of getting divisions.Lagna too has

divisions

> as it

> > > is having a coordinate or degree.

> > > Through divisions we are seeing the

kshethra,drekkana,navamsha

> etc of

> > > our lagna.

> > >

> > > Let us take Saravali.

> > >

> > > ''Following are the effects of births in the nine

> Navāńśas in Aries

> > > Ascendant: Effects of Aries Ascendant, First

> Navāńśa: The native will

> > > have a face, resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and

> shoulders not

> > > being very prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly

> appearance and

> > > narrow eyes. His body will be thin, but free from defects.

> Effects of

> > > Aries Ascendant, Second Navāńśa: The native

will

> be dark in

> > > complexion, will have broad shoulders and long arms. small

> forehead,

> > > strong collar bones, sharp sight and prominent face and

nose. He

> will

> > > be an affable speaker and will possess weak legs''.

> > >

> > > Here Aries ascendant represents our Tanubhava(Rashi).First

> navamsha of

> > > Aries is Aries - Thus if our lagna is within 3.2

degrees ,then

> effects

> > > are as per first navamsha.Second navasmha in Aries is

Taurus -

> Thus if

> > > lagna is after 3 degrees 20 mins and before 6.40 we take

effects

> as

> > > per second navamsha within Aries Rashi.

> > >

> > > On the other hand bhava means - we consider

> Tanu ,dhana,bhagya,labha

> > > etc in navamsha.I sincerely wish if people may start taking

these

> > > factors for chart rectification than bhavas.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

>

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