Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Namaste Praveen, Thanks for the note and I guessed you are the same person. Now I can understand why you did not like or belive in one Astrologer, because, he has failed prediction in your own ONE family members case. But, if I were you, I would ask a question to my self, is there any Astrologer who does not have failed predictions ? Even I would ask another quesiton, even from where you have learnt or learning, does that person, does not have any failed predictions?. Trust me mother will not let any astrologer to be even 90% accurate. So learn from every one and help people without commenting and critizing any person from whom you have learnt the Vidya. If we do that with wrong intensions, then it may be considered as Guru Droham ( my sanskrit may not be good as yours here ) and mother won't take long time to take the devine knowledge from that person, just like re-formatting the hard disk. Smile. See for yourself, you wrote a long and wonderful explanation to my question, which you have not done for any chart analysis so far. Looks like now you have learnt typing. Good job and keep improving this typing skill and start writing more and more in chart analysis. So that we can understand what methods you are using and from where you have learnt all these wonderful techniques. But still I have not seen many accurate predictions yet from you, but I am sure we will see them soon in this list as you have now proven methods from many teachers (you said you belive to be better than some Gurus), so that beginners like me can learn from there. By the way, my purpose of the original question was not answered by you yet, send me those articles/papers you may have collected those days, where you were learning from Gurus and members of this list. Also, I am started understanding/learning the charakaraka replacement lately and I am thinking you may be having such replacements in your chart either Jup with Ven or Mer, (I may be wrong) so can you send your chart to me privatey, so that I can learn and see why this kind of expereinces you are having about Teachers or mentors as you call them. I am one of those, who do not waste my time and others, so I will not reply for this any more as I had spent some time for thinking and writing this note, but will wait patiently for your mails with attachements of the papers and articles you have collected from Gurus few years ago from this very list. Thanks for your help in advance. RegardsRaghunatha Rao ---- original message --- Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:43 am Subject: Re: [vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen Dear Nemani, Yes, I am the same Praveen Kumar. It was when I had just joined the group. These messages show that I was not sceptic initially, had faith in superior knowledge of the so called Gurus and expected to learn from them. Before that, I had seen only Shri K.N.Rao, had a very good impression and expected the same here too. I read COVA by Sanjay Rath and Vedic Astrology by Narasimha. In these books, I found many new things specially D-charts, special lagnas, many dasas etc. For me that was a good introduction with hitherto unknown areas in astrology. However, I never got any convincing proof of their predictive competence. Then I met Sanjay Rath when he came to Mumbai. During his stay (I think a few days), he couldn't impress me. Rather, he failed miserably to read my mother's chart. He started appreciating combinations in her chart and gave a rosy picture while she is 100% paralysed (confined to bed), had hand to mouth status and experienced unhappiness on all fronts excluding children. Moreover, on my revealing the facts, he had justified the same with the same chart. During his visit, mostly I saw him giving remedies, talking about unverifiable future or giving theoretical discourses. He could speak Sanskrit but couldn't convince me regarding his predictive caliber. Then, in course of time, I heard a lot other disgusting things about him. Then came the issues raised by Guru Gauranga Das who was expelled from SJVC for speaking against Sanjay Rath. You must be aware of the open letter sent to the list by Guru Gauranga Das. Every sane brain was apprehensive as there is no smoke without fire. Then I met Swee Chan, another Guru. She came to Mumbai. All SJVC members here had a most disappointing experience with her predictive abilities. She was interested in selling her gemstones only. She also eluded to give predictions and said that, "first you tell me your observations, then I will guide you". Thus, I failed to see usefulness of the concepts taught here, neither even the so called Gurus could prove it. I concluded that even I was better than these so called masters and there was no need to follow them. Besides, some illustrious astrologers of BVB Delhi straightaway disapproved the concepts propagated here as quite misleading. Hence, I had joined to learn something meaningful, but couldn't. I got nothing from the so called Gurus except what is available in Achieves itself. But, I am here to learn from practical experience and try to dispel the gloom encircling the world of astrology. However, it should not be mistaken as adamant or prejudicial behaviour on my part. I still have respects for genuine persons like Narasimha whom I consider honest and a true seeker though trapped in a wrong place. But, then, it is his destiny. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) - Rao Nemani Vedic Astrology Group 24, 04, 2005 7:21 AM [vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen Om Krishna Guru Namaste Praveen, I was going thru the archives and found some messages written by a person named Praveen. Are you the same Praveen of the following messages or some one else as the id is different. If you are the same Praveen, then you must have been learning/learnt a lot from Gurus and learned members from this list since Oct 2002. So may I ask to please share with me all your collection of the articles which you got from Gurus of this list. I am asking this because, does not store any of the attachements any more from the previous messages and you are lucky to have them earlier. vedic astrology/message/18535vedic astrology/message/18848vedic astrology/message/19050 Thanks for your help in advance. RegardsRaghunatha RaoDo You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Dear Mr Nemani, The tone of your message is unfortunately quite in line with many revent messages on this forum - unnecessary sarcasm and condemning non-compliance. I read Mr Praveen's message and to me it gave the picture of a man making sincere attempts to learn this divine science but whose objective thinking raises questions which are yet unanswered. Now while I agree with your viewpoint that no astrologer could be one hundred percent correct all the time, the incident Mr Praveen mentioned was not within that margin of error. Not getting even a hint of a person so deceased from her chart and predicting positives on the contrary only to modify it later after knowing what happenned does not gel well with me either - I feel that is enough to make one a non-believer in that person. The best way to help Mr Praveen and others in his situation is for others who are knowledgable to come up with predictions (not after the fact massage acts) that inspire confidence and converts a quasi-believer into believer, instead of pulling punches at one another which is becoming an unwelcome habit on this forum. Regards Suresh >Rao Nemani <raon1008 >vedic astrology >Vedic Astrology Group <vedic astrology> >[vedic astrology] Re : Request to you Praveen >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT) > > >Om Krishna Guru > >Namaste Praveen, > >Thanks for the note and I guessed you are the same person. Now I can >understand why you did not like or belive in one Astrologer, because, he >has failed prediction in your own ONE family members case. > >But, if I were you, I would ask a question to my self, is there any >Astrologer who does not have failed predictions ? Even I would ask another >quesiton, even from where you have learnt or learning, does that person, >does not have any failed predictions?. Trust me mother will not let any >astrologer to be even 90% accurate. So learn from every one and help people >without commenting and critizing any person from whom you have learnt the >Vidya. If we do that with wrong intensions, then it may be considered as >Guru Droham ( my sanskrit may not be good as yours here ) and mother won't >take long time to take the devine knowledge from that person, just like >re-formatting the hard disk. Smile. > >See for yourself, you wrote a long and wonderful explanation to my >question, which you have not done for any chart analysis so far. Looks like >now you have learnt typing. Good job and keep improving this typing skill >and start writing more and more in chart analysis. So that we can >understand what methods you are using and from where you have learnt all >these wonderful techniques. But still I have not seen many accurate >predictions yet from you, but I am sure we will see them soon in this list >as you have now proven methods from many teachers (you said you belive to >be better than some Gurus), so that beginners like me can learn from there. > >By the way, my purpose of the original question was not answered by you >yet, send me those articles/papers you may have collected those days, where >you were learning from Gurus and members of this list. > >Also, I am started understanding/learning the charakaraka replacement >lately and I am thinking you may be having such replacements in your chart >either Jup with Ven or Mer, (I may be wrong) so can you send your chart to >me privatey, so that I can learn and see why this kind of expereinces you >are having about Teachers or mentors as you call them. > >I am one of those, who do not waste my time and others, so I will not reply >for this any more as I had spent some time for thinking and writing this >note, but will wait patiently for your mails with attachements of the >papers and articles you have collected from Gurus few years ago from this >very list. > >Thanks for your help in advance. > >Regards >Raghunatha Rao > >---- original message --- >Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 >Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:43 am >Re: [vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen > >Dear Nemani, >Yes, I am the same Praveen Kumar. It was when I had just joined the group. >These messages show that I was not sceptic initially, had faith in superior >knowledge of the so called Gurus and expected to learn from them. Before >that, I had seen only Shri K.N.Rao, had a very good impression and expected >the same here too. I read COVA by Sanjay Rath and Vedic Astrology by >Narasimha. In these books, I found many new things specially D-charts, >special lagnas, many dasas etc. For me that was a good introduction with >hitherto unknown areas in astrology. > >However, I never got any convincing proof of their predictive competence. >Then I met Sanjay Rath when he came to Mumbai. During his stay (I think a >few days), he couldn't impress me. Rather, he failed miserably to read my >mother's chart. He started appreciating combinations in her chart and gave >a rosy picture while she is 100% paralysed (confined to bed), had hand to >mouth status and experienced unhappiness on all fronts excluding children. >Moreover, on my revealing the facts, he had justified the same with the >same chart. During his visit, mostly I saw him giving remedies, talking >about unverifiable future or giving theoretical discourses. He could speak >Sanskrit but couldn't convince me regarding his predictive caliber. Then, >in course of time, I heard a lot other disgusting things about him. Then >came the issues raised by Guru Gauranga Das who was expelled from SJVC for >speaking against Sanjay Rath. You must be aware of the open letter sent to >the list by Guru Gauranga Das. Every > sane brain was apprehensive as there is no smoke without fire. > >Then I met Swee Chan, another Guru. She came to Mumbai. All SJVC members >here had a most disappointing experience with her predictive abilities. She >was interested in selling her gemstones only. She also eluded to give >predictions and said that, "first you tell me your observations, then I >will guide you". > >Thus, I failed to see usefulness of the concepts taught here, neither even >the so called Gurus could prove it. I concluded that even I was better than >these so called masters and there was no need to follow them. Besides, some >illustrious astrologers of BVB Delhi straightaway disapproved the concepts >propagated here as quite misleading. Hence, I had joined to learn something >meaningful, but couldn't. I got nothing from the so called Gurus except >what is available in Achieves itself. > >But, I am here to learn from practical experience and try to dispel the >gloom encircling the world of astrology. However, it should not be mistaken >as adamant or prejudicial behaviour on my part. I still have respects for >genuine persons like Narasimha whom I consider honest and a true seeker >though trapped in a wrong place. But, then, it is his destiny. > >Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > >- >Rao Nemani >Vedic Astrology Group >24, 04, 2005 7:21 AM >[vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen > > > >Om Krishna Guru > >Namaste Praveen, > >I was going thru the archives and found some messages written by a person >named Praveen. Are you the same Praveen of the following messages or some >one else as the id is different. If you are the same Praveen, then you must >have been learning/learnt a lot from Gurus and learned members from this >list since Oct 2002. > >So may I ask to please share with me all your collection of the articles >which you got from Gurus of this list. I am asking this because, does >not store any of the attachements any more from the previous messages and >you are lucky to have them earlier. > >vedic astrology/message/18535 >vedic astrology/message/18848 >vedic astrology/message/19050 > >Thanks for your help in advance. > >Regards >Raghunatha Rao > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Dear Raghunathaji, After seeing these arguments, my respect for Sanjay ji & Swee ji has not moved by a milimeter, infact my personal experience with both of them is wonderful. Swee ji has predicted about my past events to the point, I am impressed. But I dont like the mud throwing, it shows just immaturity and littleness of the person. May god save the person/s and bring some peace to their soles. Regards, Pradeep vedic astrology, Rao Nemani <raon1008> wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Praveen, > > Thanks for the note and I guessed you are the same person. Now I can understand why you did not like or belive in one Astrologer, because, he has failed prediction in your own ONE family members case. > > But, if I were you, I would ask a question to my self, is there any Astrologer who does not have failed predictions ? Even I would ask another quesiton, even from where you have learnt or learning, does that person, does not have any failed predictions?. Trust me mother will not let any astrologer to be even 90% accurate. So learn from every one and help people without commenting and critizing any person from whom you have learnt the Vidya. If we do that with wrong intensions, then it may be considered as Guru Droham ( my sanskrit may not be good as yours here ) and mother won't take long time to take the devine knowledge from that person, just like re-formatting the hard disk. Smile. > > See for yourself, you wrote a long and wonderful explanation to my question, which you have not done for any chart analysis so far. Looks like now you have learnt typing. Good job and keep improving this typing skill and start writing more and more in chart analysis. So that we can understand what methods you are using and from where you have learnt all these wonderful techniques. But still I have not seen many accurate predictions yet from you, but I am sure we will see them soon in this list as you have now proven methods from many teachers (you said you belive to be better than some Gurus), so that beginners like me can learn from there. > > By the way, my purpose of the original question was not answered by you yet, send me those articles/papers you may have collected those days, where you were learning from Gurus and members of this list. > > Also, I am started understanding/learning the charakaraka replacement lately and I am thinking you may be having such replacements in your chart either Jup with Ven or Mer, (I may be wrong) so can you send your chart to me privatey, so that I can learn and see why this kind of expereinces you are having about Teachers or mentors as you call them. > > I am one of those, who do not waste my time and others, so I will not reply for this any more as I had spent some time for thinking and writing this note, but will wait patiently for your mails with attachements of the papers and articles you have collected from Gurus few years ago from this very list. > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > ---- original message --- > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@> > Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:43 am > Re: [vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen > > Dear Nemani, > Yes, I am the same Praveen Kumar. It was when I had just joined the group. These messages show that I was not sceptic initially, had faith in superior knowledge of the so called Gurus and expected to learn from them. Before that, I had seen only Shri K.N.Rao, had a very good impression and expected the same here too. I read COVA by Sanjay Rath and Vedic Astrology by Narasimha. In these books, I found many new things specially D-charts, special lagnas, many dasas etc. For me that was a good introduction with hitherto unknown areas in astrology. > > However, I never got any convincing proof of their predictive competence. Then I met Sanjay Rath when he came to Mumbai. During his stay (I think a few days), he couldn't impress me. Rather, he failed miserably to read my mother's chart. He started appreciating combinations in her chart and gave a rosy picture while she is 100% paralysed (confined to bed), had hand to mouth status and experienced unhappiness on all fronts excluding children. Moreover, on my revealing the facts, he had justified the same with the same chart. During his visit, mostly I saw him giving remedies, talking about unverifiable future or giving theoretical discourses. He could speak Sanskrit but couldn't convince me regarding his predictive caliber. Then, in course of time, I heard a lot other disgusting things about him. Then came the issues raised by Guru Gauranga Das who was expelled from SJVC for speaking against Sanjay Rath. You must be aware of the open letter sent to the list by Guru Gauranga Das. Every > sane brain was apprehensive as there is no smoke without fire. > > Then I met Swee Chan, another Guru. She came to Mumbai. All SJVC members here had a most disappointing experience with her predictive abilities. She was interested in selling her gemstones only. She also eluded to give predictions and said that, "first you tell me your observations, then I will guide you". > > Thus, I failed to see usefulness of the concepts taught here, neither even the so called Gurus could prove it. I concluded that even I was better than these so called masters and there was no need to follow them. Besides, some illustrious astrologers of BVB Delhi straightaway disapproved the concepts propagated here as quite misleading. Hence, I had joined to learn something meaningful, but couldn't. I got nothing from the so called Gurus except what is available in Achieves itself. > > But, I am here to learn from practical experience and try to dispel the gloom encircling the world of astrology. However, it should not be mistaken as adamant or prejudicial behaviour on my part. I still have respects for genuine persons like Narasimha whom I consider honest and a true seeker though trapped in a wrong place. But, then, it is his destiny. > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > > - > Rao Nemani > Vedic Astrology Group > 24, 04, 2005 7:21 AM > [vedic astrology] Request to you Praveen > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Praveen, > > I was going thru the archives and found some messages written by a person named Praveen. Are you the same Praveen of the following messages or some one else as the id is different. If you are the same Praveen, then you must have been learning/learnt a lot from Gurus and learned members from this list since Oct 2002. > > So may I ask to please share with me all your collection of the articles which you got from Gurus of this list. I am asking this because, does not store any of the attachements any more from the previous messages and you are lucky to have them earlier. > > vedic astrology/message/18535 > vedic astrology/message/18848 > vedic astrology/message/19050 > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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