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Birth Data of Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh

Name:Mark Edward Waugh

DOB:Jun 2 1965

Time:

Place:Canterbury, Sydney

Country : Australia

 

 

--- kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr wrote:

 

> Dear Sir,

> Yes.

> I am moved by the love which your kind words carry.

> Regards,

> jagannathan.

>

> Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Kapisthalam ji,

>

> Namaskara,

>

> 'Ek kissaa to pura ho ne do' ....i mean let us clear

> atleast one issue first :-)

>

> best regards,

>

> Utpal

> kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr

> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> I have been reading your kind mails.

> Suppose two or more than two are born at almost the

> same time ,date ,place etc ,may be to different

> parents, how are we account for differences amongst

> them astrologically.let alone the question of

> twins.?I wish some astrologer explains.

> Regards,

> jagannathan.

>

> Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Dear Pandit ji & Pradeep ji (You both deserve to be

> JI for Me)

>

> Are we not casting 'Navmansha Chart' and give

> importance (pl. read Much) to it. if D9 Chart, being

> a Varga chart can be analysed with so much intrest

> in judging any chart then the same logic should also

> apply to other Varga Charts.

>

> You asked following things

> > > Both have the same navamsha. If twins case can

> be explained

> > with

> > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both

> will get married at

> > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

> be identical ?

>

>

> I am really surprised about your question at the

> same time I am very very curious to know the answer

> for you. Without not taking any help from any other

> Vargas and just by Looking the same Navmansha &

> Rashi, how you convincingly suggest to find out the

> marriage timing and nature of Spouses etc..

>

> At least the other Vargas provide some Valuable

> insight in to the differences in the different areas

> of lives of twins. if not d9 then d10 or D12 or D16

> or D24 or D30 OR Shatyamsa.

>

> For Example: - Mark Waugh & Steve Waugh had Career

> in Similar field (Cricket) but their Achievements,

> Span of Career, Exploits & Talents were not

> Identical. i don't have their birth detials but they

> may have same d10 along with same rasi chart

> ofcourse.

>

> pl. take it very positively and answer to me for the

> benefit of every body

>

>

> Regards,

> Utpal

>

> Panditji <navagraha wrote:

> Namaste Pradeepji ( You deserve the Ji, trust me)

>

> What if the twins have same navansha or saptamsha ?

>

> Ofcourse I forgot that the sjc parampara has many

> versions of

> divisional charts. 3 varieties of navanshas so if

> the data does not

> fit, try the different flavor of navansha or

> saptamsha. Are there are

> a few versions of rashi charts as well ?

>

> ...

>

> On 4/22/05, vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji

> >

> > Medical science says average time gap between

> twins are 15-17

> > minutes.Thus twins can be born between 10 minutes

> as well as 30

> > minutes.

> >

> > Thus as you have said - there can be possibility

> that twins can have

> > same hora,same drekkana,same saptamsha and same

> dashamsha.

> >

> > Can anyone help me in analysing saptamsha bhavas

> and dashamsha

> > bhavas here.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Sharmaji of this list had given a chart of twins

> a couple of months

> > > back. Both have the same navamsha. If twins case

> can be explained

> > with

> > > divisional charts, are you suggesting that both

> will get married at

> > > the same time ? Will their spouses nature will

> be identical ?

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/22/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>

> wrote:

> > > > All respected Luminiaries of Jtotisha &

> Philosophy,

> > > >

> > > > I would like to add my 2 cent...

> > > >

> > > > following argument Appealed me and convinced

> me about

> > the 'Importance' of

> > > > Varga chart

> > > >

> > > > 1) Each House in Rashi chart stands for so

> many matters. how to

> > > > diifferntiate? (pl. i know karka technology)

> > > >

> > > > 2) If rishi says that d9 is chart for

> dharma/spouse, d10 for

> > respect and

> > > > work in , d12 for parents and so on & so forth

> then it

> > automatically brings

> > > > the important of Vargas as 'Charts' and not

> merely tool to see

> > Vimshopak

> > > > bal, Vaiseshikamsha etc..

> > > >

> > > > 3) Major difference in lives of Twins can be

> most fittingly

> > justied only by

> > > > Difference in Varga charts.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > utpal pathak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sourav

> > > >

> > > > That was a brilliant mail.

> > > > I am especially interested in the Trimsamsa

> sloka. Could you

> > kindly for the

> > > > benefit of the readers, explain each

> individual term and give a

> > detailed

> > > > interpretation.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 4/22/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12@h...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. As per your

> request, I have reread

> > the

> > > > > postions of the BPHS which is relevent to

> your and my

> > arguments once

> > > > > more so that I am confident in giving this

> reply. I wish not to

> > > > > write any more in this subject as it is

> useless to argue

> > against ill

> > > > > formed hypotheses, some of which is in your

> reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > "You should also carefully read all my mails

> before

> > commenting.Every

> > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is important

> - i am only

> > against

> > > > > varga ''charts''."

> > > > >

> > > > > My argument: I will only use BPHS in my

> argument.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Maharshi Parasara (and the rishis of his

> era and later eras)

> > > > > wrote in clear, unequivocal but also pithy

> form so save space

> > but to

> > > > > deliver the message clearly. So each word is

> very relevant and

> > > > > important.Now let us see the arrangement of

> chapters in the

> > BPHS.

> > > > >

> > > > > C.1 - The Creation

> > > > > C.2 - Great Incarnations of the Lord

> > > > > C.3 - Planetary Characters and Description

> > > > > C.4 - Zodiacal Signs

> > > > > C.5 - Finding Planetary Positions

> > > > > C.6 - Special Ascendants

> > > > > C.7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign

> > > > > C.8 - Divisional Consideration

> > > > > C.9 - Aspects of the Signs

> > > > > C.10- Surroundings at the Time of Birth

> > > > > C.11- Evils at Birth

> > > > > C.12- Antidotes for Evil

> > > > > C.13- Judgement of Houses

> > > > > C.14- Effects of the 1st House

> > > > > C.15- Effects of the 2nd House

> > > > > (etc.)

> > > > >

> > > > > From the scheme of things, it is very clear

> that Vargas are of

> > prime

> > > > > importance. Explanations are given for Rasi

> Chakra Analysis

> > **only

> > > > > after** defining in details all the sixteen

> divisions of a

> > sign, the

> > > > > formulation of these vargas and the

> presiding deities. This is

> > > > > significant.

> > > > >

> > > > > You again said:

> > > > >

> > > > > "If you read those chapters with caution and

> fresh mind all

> > your

> > > > > doubts will be cleared. How to analyse

> Vargas has been clearly

> > > > > explained.Read vimshopaka strength in BPHS."

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you implying the Parasara went into all

> the trouble of

> > details

> > > > > of vargas and presiding deities just to give

> us a clue for

> > > > > Vimshopaka Bala of planets ?? This is a

> completely mistaken

> > argument.

> > > > > I will tell you why.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.7.2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Kshetram hora cha dreskaanasturyamsah

> saptamamsaka |

> > > > > Navamso dasaamamsascha suryamsah

> shodasamsaka ||

> > > > > Vimsamso vedavamso bhamsatrimsamsakastatah |

> > > > > khavedamshokhsabedamsah sasthiamsascha tatah

> param ||

> > > > >

> > > > > "These vargas are: Griha (rasi or sign),

> Hora, Drekkana,

> > > > > Chaturthamsa, Saptamamsa, Navamamsa,

> Dasamamsa, Dwadasamamsa,

> > > > > Shodasamamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa,

> Saptavimsamsa,

> > Trimsamsa,

> > > > > Khavedamsa, Akshavedamsa and Sasthiamsa."

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi (see the words Kshetram hora cha ..) is

> clearly clubbed

> > > > > together with other vargas. Hence if we

> treat rasi's as bhavas

> > and

> > > > > perform bhava analysis, why shouldn't we do

> the same with other

> > > > > vargas which are only higher divisions of

> the zodiac just as

> > rasi

> > > > > also is ?!? Thus Rasi Chart is definitely a

> divisional chart

> > (called

> > > > > D-1) and the way it is going to be analysed

> (from C.13

> > onwards) will

> > > > > show us the way other varga charts should be

> analysed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give you one more indication of the

> above conclusion:

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.8.16 (last line)

> > > > >

> > > > > Trimsamsake vichintyayevamatrapi grihabat

> smritam ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the Sage gives clear instruction that

> Chaturthamsa,

> > Navamamsa,

> > > > > Trimsamsa etc. vargas chakras will be

> studies **like the 12

> > houses**

> > > > > in the birth chart (rasi chakra).

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus it is doubtless that Maharshi indicated

> that all 16

> > vargas are

> > > > > to be analysed as individual "charts" just

> like the most

> > popular of

> > > > > them i.e. the rasi varga chart. I hope this

> expunges all doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Your next argument is trying to show that

> varga charts

> > cannot

> > > > > exist because it becomes difficult to apply

> bhava

> > significances in

> > > > > varga charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > You stated:

> > > > >

> > > > > "In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

> house for father

> > and 4th

> > > > > for mother - This is for rashi chakra not

> for vargas. Can you

> > pls

> > > > > tell me what is 4th and 9th houses in

> Hora?Hora is a division

> > not a

> > > > > chart- so are other vargas.After seeing 2nd

> house matters,one

> > has to

> > > > > see the planets Hora placement.BPHS explains

> the strength of

> > planets

> > > > > in Hora."

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS C.8.37-38

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanurdhanam cha sahaje bandhuputrarayastatha

> |

> > > > > Yuvatirandhradharmashakarmalabhabyayah

> kramat ||

> > > > > Sanshepenaitaduditamanyad budhyayanusaaratah

> |

> > > > > Kinchivishesam vakshyami yatha

> brahmamukhaachhrutam ||

> > > > >

> > > > > " Tanu, Dhana, Sahaja, Bandhu, Putra, Ari,

> Yuvati, Randhra,

> > Dharma,

> > > > > Karma, Laabha and Vyaya are in order the

> names of the 12

> > houses.

> > > > > Other things than these should be understood

> according to

> > one's own

> > > > > intelligence. Now I will try to tell you

> some new things which

> > I

> > > > > heard from the speech of Lord Brahma"

> > > > >

> > > > > Carefully read this part ** Other things

> than these should be

> > > > > understood according to one's own

> intelligence ** Thus in each

> > > > > divisional chart each house can potentially

> mean different

> > things

> > > > > depending on the particular varga chart in

> question !!

> > > > >

> > > > > This responds to your second argument. Refer

> to Message #

> > 55218 by

> > > > > Guru Narasimha-ji for further understanding

> what house can

> > mean what

> > > > > in a particular Varga. Parasari Hora Chart

> has two houses only.

> > > > > Infact this is an exceptional chart in that

> sense and thus you

> > > > > cannot really ask for the significance for

> the 4H or 9H as

> > they dont

> > > > > exist in this particular chart!! In case of

> other kinds of

> > Hora

> > > > > charts like Kashinatha Hora, 4H can mean

> sukha regarding

> > wealth and

> > > > > 9H can mean fortune regarding wealth, the

> dharma followed in

> > earning

> > > > > wealth or the guidence (or mis-guidence)

> received in earning

> > wealth

> > > > > of things of sustenance etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parasara, you should intelligently

> ask and assign the

> > > > > significance of a particular house in a

> Varga Chakra. Note that

> > > > > Lagna in that Chakra represents the native

> in the particular

> > aspect

> > > > > of life this Varga Chakra is Drawn. Ex. D-10

> is a career Varga

> > > > > chakra and La in D-10 shows the native

> himself in the field of

> > > > > career. 9H here will show the nature of

> guidence and

> > relationship

> > > > > with the guide (read 'boss' or 'authority')

> in the career

> > field.

> > > > > I ask you to exercise your intelligence and

> derive the

> > significance

> > > > > of each divisional chart. It will help you

> immensely and show

> > you

> > > > > how deep the above quoted statement of

> Maharsi truely is !!

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I will end my prolonged monologue by

> answering your last

> > argument.

> > > > >

> > > > > You said:

> > > > >

> > > > > "So is [sic, 'in'] shastyamsha - the bhava

> whose lord in

> > benefic

> > > > > shstyamsha willflourish - where is this

> bhava found? In Rashi

> > chakra

> > > > > or shastyamsha? Ask this last question and

> you will not have

> > anymore

> > > > > doubts."

> > > > >

> > > > > The referred statement in BPHS is C.8.6 If

> you see the context

> > of

> > > > > what Maharshi was talking about in that

> portion you will see

> > that he

> > > > > was speaking about what various vargas

> signify. In the end he

> > says

> > > > > this statement. Your translation of the

> statement is

> > misleading. I

> > > > > will take what Sri G. C. Sharma has given

> "There is no doubt

> > in the

> > > > > destruction of the house whose lord is in a

> malefic

> > Sashtiamsa" This

> > > > > clearly means that no matter what divisional

> chart you

> > consider, if

> > > > > any house lord in any such chart is in a bad

> Sashtiamsa (read

> > ruled

> > > > > by a malefic deity), that house in that

> varga chart is

> > definitely

> > > > > going to suffer. He didnt say if it is Rasi

> chart, thereby

> > > > > indicating any divisional chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this discussion helps. It doesn't

> matter if I am new to

> > this

> > > > > discussion. I need not read all your

> previous e-mails. You

> > seem to

> > > > > be too attached to your own line of thinking

> and shutting away

> > > > > others. It's best to challenge your own self

> in understanding

> > rather

> > > > > than jump up and challange other's

> understandings especially of

> > > > > the learned and experienced like Guru

> Narasimha-ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

===================================================================

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@y ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear shri Saurav

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can address me without a ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think you are new to this series of

> discussion on

> > vargas.It has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > going on since long.More than a year.Shri

> Narasimha knows

> > what i am

> > > > > > saying.Also this thread started when shri

> Narasimha had

> > analysed

> > > > > new

> > > > > > popes chart without giving importance to

> Rashi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should also carefully read all my

> mails before

> > commenting.Every

> > > > > > varga defined by sage parashara is

> important - i am only

> > against

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > ''charts''.If you read those chapters with

> caution and fresh

> > mind -

> > > > > > all your doubts will be cleared.

> > > > > > How to analyse Vargas has been clearly

> explained.Read

> > vimshopaka

> > > > > > strength in BPHS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In bhava analysis - Parashara advises 9th

> house for father

> > and 4th

> > > > > for

> > > > > > mother - This is for rashi chakra not for

> vargas. Can you

> > pls tell

> > > > > me

> > > > > > what is 4th and 9th houses in Hora?Hora is

> a division not a

> > chart-

> > > > > so

> > > > > > are other vargas.After seeing 2nd house

> matters,one has to

> > see the

> > > > > > planets Hora placement.BPHS explains the

> strength of planets

> > in

> > > > > Hora.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So is shastyamsha - the bhava whose lord

> in benefic

> > shstyamsha will

> > > > > > flourish - where is this bhava found? In

> Rashi chakra or

> > > > > shastyamsha?

> > > > > > Ask this last question and you will not

> have anymore doubts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology,

> "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > > > > <sourav12@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep-ji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar. Your arguments are ill founded

> and you

> > > > > > > haven't carefully read Guru

> Narasimha-ji's comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. He never undermined the need to

> analyse rasi chart.

> > Infact he

> > > > > > > always say in this mp3 lessons that if

> Rasi chart doesn't

> > allow

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > event, it will not happen even if

> indications are there in

> > the

> > > > > > > higher divisional chart. If you have

> read BPHS, Maharshi

> > Parasara

> > > > > > > has first described 16 divisions of

> signs (i.e. effectively

> > > > > defining

> > > > > > > the varga charts) and then went on into

> bhava analysis.

> > Why so

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > importance to varga charts by the Sage

> himself ?!?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Rasi chart's houses have so many

> significances, the

> > same 4H

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > motherly relationship, house, heart,

> vehicles happiness

> > and so

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > > If you try to get all predictions done

> by rasi chart and

> > then go

> > > > > > > into vargas for a secondary check, you

> might be mislead.

> > The

> > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > is to mix and match both of them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. There is the beautiful example of

> twins who are born

> > very

> > > > > close

> > > > > > > in time to each other and have

> completely different

> > capabilities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > personalities. You can read the details

> that Guru

> > Narasimha-ji

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > posted in his website

> www.vedicastrologer.com . Kindly

> > read it

> > > > > > > before making further comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I like to see many schools of thought.

> It is beneficial to

> > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > But when arguments are made to a Guru's

> remark for the

> > same of

> > > > > > > argument, I think it doesn't stand good

> for the purpose of

> > > > > learning.

> > > > > > > I hope I will be taken based on what I

> wrote and meant and

> > not

> > > > > > > merely as blind defender of faith in my

> Guru.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology,

> "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are very right in pointing the

> imperfections.Now you

> > have

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is very simple - Atleast

> not for me.I have

> > not

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > understood 10 % of the basics on how

> to analyse rashi

> > chakra

> > > > > > > > properly.It will take many years to

> master.Also on one

> > hand

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > combination of Rashi chakra with

> Vargas and on the other

> > hand -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no Main chart.If rashi chakra

> is not the main

> > why do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want to use them in combination with

> Vargas?.

> > > > > > > > Also if Rashi chakra is not the main

> why do you give so

> > many

> > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > in your software based on Rashi chakra

> - pertaining to

> > all

> > > > > > > > aspects.If Rashi chakra is just for

> physique - how will

> > we see

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > qualities of Mahapurusha from the

> Rashi chakra? How will

> > we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > Saraswati yoga - the yoga for

> learning.If 10 th house

> > and 10th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in Rashi chakra is physical ,what is

> 10th ''house'' and

> > lord

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > dashamsha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will quickly try to respond to

> multiple mails on

> > multiple

> > > > > > > lists.

> > > > > > > > These days I've been really busy and

> cannot give a more

> > > > > detailed

> > > > > > > > reply. I may not actually be able to

> give any further

> > replies

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this thread.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you explain why you have given

> TZ 2 for Marktl,

> > > > > > > Germany?

> > > > > > > > At 12 degrees

> > > > > > > > > > East from Greenwich it is in TZ

> 1.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gordon, I may be wrong. If the

> timezone should be 1:00,

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > > change the birthtime to 6:33:40 am to

> 5:33:40 am.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bottomline is: I did not know the

> time and rectified

> > lagna

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > and various divisions by

> retro-fitting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars

> antardasa in Venus

> > mahadasa!

> > > > > > > > > > Please check, it is Sat Mahadasa

> and Moon Antardasa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Praveen, you are right. There is a

> bug in my software

> > in the

> > > > > > > > second cycle of Shashtihayani dasa.

> Thanks for pointing

> > this

> > > > > out.

> > > > > > > > I'll fix this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Technically, BTW, whether we can use

> Shashtihayani dasa

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > age of 60 has passed is debatable. The

> same holds for

> > other

> > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It has been observed that the

> Rashi chakra was not

> > given

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > during your analysis.Results were

> decided on the

> > basis of

> > > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > > > which is derived from Rashi

> chakra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As thousands of students are

> observing this

> > analysis - Pls

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > clear is it possible to deduce

> results from varga of

> > a

> > > > > > > > planet/lagna

> > > > > > > > > > alone.When Panditji had questioned

> a similar

> > analysis on

> > > > > > > > saptamsha -

> > > > > > > > > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar

> rushing in and

> > > > > correcting -

> > > > > > > > > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I

> would be pleased to

> > know if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > hold a

> > > > > > > > > > different position.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep, because you asked, I will

> clarify MY position.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For perfection, multiple divisional

> charts should be

> > judged

> > > > > > > > together. We are often doing imperfect

> astrology for the

> > sake

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > simplicity and look at only one chart.

> The best answer

> > is not

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > single chart, but a combination of

> charts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But, if I have to choose a single

> chart, I'll choose

> > the

> > > > > > > > applicable varga (e.g. D-10 for

> career, D-24 for

> > education

> > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > rather than the rasi chart. Though

> imperfect, it works

> > way

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > for me than rasi chart alone.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While combining rasi with divisions

> leads to better

> > results,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > still away from perfection. Perfection

> can come only when

> > > > > > > > shashtyamsa (D-60) is understood

> correctly and used.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Parasara defined the matters

> seen in various

> > divisions

> > > > > > > (e.g.

> > > > > > > > physical matters in rasi, financial

> matters in D-2,

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > matters in D-10), he said that

> "everything" is seen in D-

> > 60.

> > > > > Also

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala computation of dasa

> varga, D-60 gets a

> > higher

> > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa

> combined!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am fully convinced that the

> Jyotish is an imperfect

> > > > > subject

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > just an art as long as one ignores

> D-60, which was given

> > so

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > importance by Parasara. Jyotish can be

> established as a

> > > > > science

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > when we master D-60.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is

> not considering the

> > > > > vargas

> > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > make good predictions.What does

> this mean? Doesn't

> > it mean

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > is someother place - (other than

> vargas) - to read

> > the

> > > > > > > results?

> > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > is this other MAIN place? Is it

> not the Rashi

> > chakra?

> > > > > Division

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > meaning should have a main to get

> divided.So which

> > is this

> > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > If we

> > > > > > > > > > consider Rashi chakra as the first

> division - then

> > where

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > main?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi is a divisional chart too. It

> is one of the vargas

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to Parasara.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is nothing called main and

> secondary. If you ask

> > me to

> > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > the most important divisional chart,

> I'll pick D-60. As I

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > above, Parasara said everything can be

> seen in D-60 and

> > gave

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > weightage than rasi and navamsa

> combined, when defining

> > dasa

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > vimsopaka bala.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > Correct ! If we apply common

> sense, we can see

> > Vargas

> > > > > repeating

> > > > > > > > > > with lagna as it is a few hours

> before. Only the Moon

> > > > > changes

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vargas do not exactly repeat.

> Different divisions have

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > > patterns. The navamsa, dasamsa,

> vimsamsa, chaturvimsamsa

> > and

> > > > > > > > shashtyamsa combination I identified

> in Aries rasi lagna

> > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > repeat in Pisces rasi or Taurus rasi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > position fast. Then, touchstone of

> any predictive

> > > > > principle is

> > > > > > > > advance

> > > > > > > > > > predictions, which they always

> elude. Veteran

> > astrologers

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya

> Prakash ji too

> > advised

> > > > > them,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > of no avail. A whole generation is

> being misguided.

> > Most

> > > > > > > > unfortunate !

> > > > > > > > > > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it

> is the will of

> > the God.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is quite presumptuous of some to

> believe that "a

> > whole

> > > > > > > > generation is being misguided".

> Whether a generation is

> > being

> > > > > > > > misguided or guided in the correct

> direction to fully

> > discover

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > teachings of maharshis and establish

> astrology as a

> > science is

> > > > > > > > something that the coming generations

> will judge.

> > Neither I

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are in a position to pre-judge it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me do my work and you do your

> work. There is no

> > need to

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > about misguided generations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Parasara states that if

> eighth lord is well

> > placed

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > even exalted,

> > > > > > > > > > then longevity will be long - This

> is also applied

> > in the

> > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > of three

> > > > > > > > > > pairs. You may argue that the

> eighth lord when

> > strong will

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > but Harihara states in Prasna

> Marga, that when the

> > planets

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > strong they

> > > > > > > > > > will give their auspicious results

> - he states that

> > this

> > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > to both

> > > > > > > > > > natal and prasna charts. Further

> being Vara lord and

> > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fifth house, it

> > > > > > > > > > means the digestive fire is

> excellent and excellent

> > health

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > promised. This

> > > > > > > > > > is not the problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti, I do not look at only the

> placement of vaaresha

> > but

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the ownership of the vaaresha. If the

> weekday lord in a

> > > > > muhurta

> > > > > > > > happens to be randhresha, I do not

> consider it

> > auspicious.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > just my view and not explicitly

> granted by classics. If

> > you

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > different view, I can respect it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] What is your current view

> on the use of the

> > > > > arudha

> > > > > > > > lagna in the

> > > > > > > > > > calculation of vaisheshikamsa?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't have any view. I spent

> so much time

> > mulling

> > > > > over

> > > > > > > > Parasara's vaiseshikamsa clause

> "swaaroodhaat kendra

> > > > > naathaanaam

> > > > > > > > vargaah graahyaah sudheemataa", but

> could not come to a

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I wrote that Sun is in

> Brahmalokamsa in Pope

> > Benedict

> > > > > XVI's

> > > > > > > > chart, I did not use the

> "swaaroodhaat" criterion. I

> > used only

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > standard definition and ignoring the

> additional clause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Lord Dakshinamurthy blesses me,

> I will understand

> > this

> > > > > > > clause

> > > > > > > > correctly. When I do, I will share my

> understanding with

> > all.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > > > now, I have no view.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Visti] In concur with your choice

> for the popes

> > chart -

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > rectification.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Visti. I am glad

> a Jyotish scholar

> > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > knowledge and abilities has concurred

> with my

> > rectification.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

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