Importance of Rashi Chart/Reasons/Shri Partha

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Dear Partha ji

 

Reply or not is your choice.I have made my arguments purely based on

objective basics.On the other hand you have opted to counter me with

rhetoric skills '' like hats off for patience - reduntant etc''.When

Galileo had commented on the shape of earth - he was sickening and

reduntant for the whole church - then what about this common soul

like me!!.

 

I honestly do deserve a hats off for my patience:-)

 

I am having a full time job,studies,19 month old

son,wife,responsibilites related to my other hobbies etc.Thus it is

obsession towards this divine science that makes one find extra

time - Cutting short lunch/dinner,avoiding coffee breaks,finding

time during early morning/late night etc.Thus others are busy as

well (not retired citizens).

 

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Sanjay

>

> Actually i am getting bored to see the same sickening arguments

again

> and again. Finally it boils down to misleading of generations and

> following one set of teachers.

>

> People are not that naive as to not know what is good for them.

Now we

> need advocates and moral police to tell us what is right for us and

> what is wrong!

> The rasi vs divisional argument by Pradeep is redundant, and

atleast i

> will never answer his queries, i have decided the same. Narasimhaji

> despite his busy schedules has answered him so many times. Hats off

> for his patience!!

>

> So goes with the so called Pandit ji whose arguments are simply

waste

> of my time.

> I have put in my spam list. I am not one to hide names. I will

take

> names of those who have been bugging this list and wasting our

time.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

> On 4/21/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I think the argument is getting a bit skewed. The argument now

seems

> > to heading towards 'clashes schools' Which is very unfortunate

indeed.

> > Surely Sri KN Rao, Sri Narasimha and all are very learned

people. And

> > many students here are very intelligent who spend many hours to

study

> > on their own to delve into mysteries of Jyotish vidya. So the

question

> > of misleading does not arise.

> >

> > When the emphasis on Divisional chart was made by learned people

I

> > personally dont think that There was any attempt to lower the

> > importance of Rashi chart. As Sri Pradeep had rightly pointed

out that

> > ALL Divisionals can mostly be replecated for Every other sign

i.e for

> > every ODD or EVEN sign(If not every sign). This a person with

basic

> > knowledge of construction of charts can oberve easily. So I am

sure

> > the those learned when they emphasis on Divisional charts also

know

> > about and it would be redundant to point this to them.

> > So My basic point being that 'yes the divisionals are very

important

> > but Rashi chart is the basis for all'.

> >

> > Some points I would like to point to the learning students is,

> >

> > Observer this.

> >

> > "The Venus and Mercury are always near Sun ONLY in Rashi Chart"

> >

> > Doesn't This point to one important dictums in creation?.

Maharishi

> > Paraashara says that Venus rules Jala Tatwa and Mercury pritvi

tatwa.

> >

> > If you note this two are the lower most Chakra in humans. i.e The

> > pritvi tatwa ruled by Mooladhara and Jala tatwa controlled by

> > Swadisthana chakra.

> >

> > There is another dictum which says that planets which are 7th

from Sun

> > are strongest(purest). Thus the presence of Pritvi(mercury) and

> > Jala(Venus) always near sun in Rashi chakra shows the reason why

we

> > have been created on this earth with physical body and desire

(Venus).

> >

> > And if one observes Venus and Mercury are the only planets

causing

> > eclipse on sun, i.e they can get between earth and Sun and cause

> > eclipse. Consider these points. Moons eclipse is kind of

summation of

> > all 5 tatwa eclipse of which Jala and Pritvi is most prominent to

> > cause eclipse from this Bhu(Earth) loka vantage point.

> >

> > These are just some of my thoughts and hopefully again this does

not

> > go under the 'School' based arguments.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas

repeating with

> > lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its

position

> > fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is advance

> > predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of

Jyotish

> > Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised them,

but of

> > no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

unfortunate !

> > But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict

XVI/Shri

> > Narasimha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be

confirmed

> > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

> > >

> > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due

respect

> > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of

varga -

> > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > >

> > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls

make it

> > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

planet/lagna

> > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

saptamsha -

> > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if

you hold a

> > > different position.

> > >

> > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

cannot

> > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean

that there

> > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the

results? Which

> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra?

Division by

> > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this

main?If we

> > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is

the main?

> > >

> > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined

divisions

> > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single

varga which

> > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis

of Late

> > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati

yoga in

> > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati

yoga can be

> > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or

physique.

> > >

> > > Now people have started recognizing the validity of these

questions

> > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can

find many

> > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for

me ''.Now

> > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds

of aspects

> > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets -

One can

> > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

> > >

> > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and

they are

> > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too

are

> > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 -

you

> > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri

Nrasimhas

> > > example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we

can be

> > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the

time!!!!!!!!.With

> > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

> > >

> > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a

very good

> > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in

vargas.I

> > > hope your research in this area will prove helpful for

students like

> > > me in the future.

> > >

> > > Expecting your clarification.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > > I see no-one has commented on the

appointment today of

> > > the new pope.

> > > >

> > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious

occasion

> > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> > > >

> > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election

is:

> > > >

> > > > 2005 April 19

> > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

> > > >

> > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for

spreading

> > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

> > > >

> > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements.

Vaara

> > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara

bala (weekday

> > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars.

He is the

> > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will

last long.

> > > >

> > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!!

Mars at

> > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK

(chara amatya

> > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be

replaced

> > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

> > > especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It

shows a

> > > change of guard in a short time.

> > > >

> > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to

the Holy

> > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in

Marktl,

> > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

> > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in

the

> > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the

Easter

> > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs

and feel

> > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge

in navamsa

> > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The

birthdata I am

> > > taking is:

> > > >

> > > > 1927 April 16

> > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

> > > >

> > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a

strong,

> > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa

> > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10

vargas).

> > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

> > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming

the chart

> > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a

person of

> > > the stature of maharshis.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John

Paul II

> > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope

Benedict XVI

> > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that

his dharma

> > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

(Jupiter)

> > > coming in a lineage (Ketu).

> > > >

> > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a

dasamsa

> > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house

has exalted

> > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana.

Isaana is an

> > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show

religious

> > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa

involved with

> > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John

Paul II and

> > > several Shankaracharyas too!

> > > >

> > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows

a

> > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher

(Isaana).

> > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a

disciplinarian.

> > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism.

Planets in

> > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and

unemotional

> > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an

impassionate keeper

> > > of dharma.

> > > >

> > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and

should be

> > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is

empty and

> > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> > > >

> > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

> > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the

auxiliary

> > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of

profession),

> > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses.

Especially,

> > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa.

Such a Mars

> > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him

a

> > > military man.

> > > >

> > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

> > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-

24 (chart

> > > of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th

house (6th

> > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's

degree and

> > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as

masters.

> > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in

some Aquarian

> > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu

dasa.

> > > >

> > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in

D-24 and

> > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and

occupies 6th.

> > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching

fundamental

> > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

> > > >

> > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

> > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10

and shows

> > > writing.

> > > >

> > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich

and

> > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope

Paul VI.

> > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL

(ghatika lagna)

> > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the

intangible

> > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

expression/manifestation

> > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5

and Venus

> > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and

recognitions

> > > during this antardasa!!

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope!

He became

> > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the

college of

> > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

> > > >

> > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata

I

> > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to

work

> > > brilliantly in this case.

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

What are the objective basics which only you seem to understand and others dont understand.

Whenver some one like Hari or Sourav tries to give a helping hand, you just push

your tired and beaten argument and say that you are having Intellectual debates

since ages.

One person cannot stop the Juggernaut that has already started, not only my

students, but hundreds of clients/friends who have met me have come to believe

that Divisional charts exist. All the students of SJC , and why SJC, even Shri

K.N.Rao uses Divisional charts, and if i am not wrong, it was he who started

this revolutionary understanding of d-charts.

 

Infact you cannot play Galileo simply because Galileo was pointing a new thing

and you are talking about same old thing. What Sanjayji or Narasimha are

pointing out is a new understanding of the whole system, whereas what you are

pointing out is how many astrologers practiced. SImply draw Rasi and then

Navamsa and give predictions. You are also now going a step ahead and telling

us that Navamsa cannot be a chart, when the entire world draws Navamsa and

makes conclusions. Probably you should start your own school of astrology which

is different from ours, as we dont know anything. Your opinions will never be

accepted by any of the astrologers, if anyone accepts them can join your

school.

 

One who is trying to learn will never seek for glory. By comparing yourself with

Galileo you are trying to push your points. And what is this about skipping

lunch and dinner, do you think we all have learnt astrology in our dreams? Or

some bhoot comes and tells us what to predict?

partha

 

 

On 4/21/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Partha jiReply or not is your choice.I have made my arguments purely based

onobjective basics.On the other hand you have opted to counter me withrhetoric

skills '' like hats off for patience - reduntant etc''.WhenGalileo had

commented on the shape of earth - he was sickening andreduntant for the whole

church - then what about this common soul

like me!!.I honestly do deserve a hats off for my patience:-)I am having a full

time job,studies,19 month oldson,wife,responsibilites related to my other

hobbies etc.Thus it isobsession towards this divine science that makes one find

extra

time - Cutting short lunch/dinner,avoiding coffee breaks,findingtime during

early morning/late night etc.Thus others are busy aswell (not retired

citizens).ThanksPradeep

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy<partvinu@g...> wrote:> Dear

Sanjay>> Actually i am getting bored to see the same sickening argumentsagain>

and again. Finally it boils down to misleading of generations and

> following one set of teachers.>> People are not that naive as to not know what

is good for them.Now we> need advocates and moral police to tell us what is

right for us and> what is wrong!

> The rasi vs divisional argument by Pradeep is redundant, andatleast i> will

never answer his queries, i have decided the same. Narasimhaji> despite his

busy schedules has answered him so many times. Hats off

> for his patience!!>> So goes with the so called Pandit ji whose arguments are

simplywaste> of my time.> I have put in my spam list. I am not one to hide

names. I willtake> names of those who have been bugging this list and wasting

our

time.>> best wishes> partha>>> On 4/21/05, sanjayprabhakaran

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:> >> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Dear Friends,

> >> > I think the argument is getting a bit skewed. The argument nowseems> > to

heading towards 'clashes schools' Which is very unfortunateindeed.> > Surely Sri

KN Rao, Sri Narasimha and all are very learned

people. And> > many students here are very intelligent who spend many hours

tostudy> > on their own to delve into mysteries of Jyotish vidya. So

thequestion> > of misleading does not arise.

> >> > When the emphasis on Divisional chart was made by learned peopleI> >

personally dont think that There was any attempt to lower the> > importance of

Rashi chart. As Sri Pradeep had rightly pointed

out that> > ALL Divisionals can mostly be replecated for Every other signi.e

for> > every ODD or EVEN sign(If not every sign). This a person withbasic> >

knowledge of construction of charts can oberve easily. So I am

sure> > the those learned when they emphasis on Divisional charts alsoknow> >

about and it would be redundant to point this to them.> > So My basic point

being that 'yes the divisionals are very

important> > but Rashi chart is the basis for all'.> >> > Some points I would

like to point to the learning students is,> >> > Observer this.> >> > "The

Venus and Mercury are always near Sun ONLY in Rashi Chart"

> >> > Doesn't This point to one important dictums in creation?.Maharishi> >

Paraashara says that Venus rules Jala Tatwa and Mercury pritvitatwa.> >> > If

you note this two are the lower most Chakra in humans. i.e The> > pritvi tatwa

ruled by Mooladhara and Jala tatwa controlled by> > Swadisthana chakra.> >> >

There is another dictum which says that planets which are 7thfrom Sun> > are

strongest(purest). Thus the presence of Pritvi(mercury) and

> > Jala(Venus) always near sun in Rashi chakra shows the reason whywe> > have

been created on this earth with physical body and desire(Venus).> >> > And if

one observes Venus and Mercury are the only planets

causing> > eclipse on sun, i.e they can get between earth and Sun and cause> >

eclipse. Consider these points. Moons eclipse is kind ofsummation of> > all 5

tatwa eclipse of which Jala and Pritvi is most prominent to

> > cause eclipse from this Bhu(Earth) loka vantage point.> >> > These are just

some of my thoughts and hopefully again this doesnot> > go under the 'School'

based arguments.

> >> > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> >> > Hari Om Tat Sat> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> > > Dear Pradeep,> > > Correct ! If we apply

common sense, we can see Vargasrepeating with> > lagna as it is a few hours

before. Only the Moon changes its

position> > fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is advance> >

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers ofJyotish> > Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised them,

but of> > no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Mostunfortunate !> >

But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.> > >> > > Praveen

Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -> > > vijayadas_pradeep> > > To:

vedic astrology> > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope BenedictXVI/Shri> >

Narasimha> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji> > >

> > > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can beconfirmed> > >

and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!> > >> > > It has been observed that the

Rashi chakra was not given due

respect> > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis ofvarga ->

> > which is derived from Rashi chakra.> > >> > > As thousands of students

are observing this analysis - Pls

make it> > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of

aplanet/lagna> > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis

onsaptamsha -> > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting

-> > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know ifyou hold a> >

> different position.> > >> > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not

considering the vargas

cannot> > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it meanthat

there> > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read theresults?

Which> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra?

Division by> > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is

thismain?If we> > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where

isthe main?> > >

> > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defineddivisions> >

> as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a singlevarga which> > >

cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysisof Late> > > Jhon

Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswatiyoga in> > > Rashi

chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswatiyoga can be

> > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera orphysique.> > >>

> > Now people have started recognizing the validity of thesequestions> > >

and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one canfind many> > >

insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well forme ''.Now> > > this

is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds

of aspects> > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets

-One can> > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.> >

>> > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger andthey are>

> > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they tooare> > >

''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 -

you> > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shriNrasimhas> >

> example i am requesting members to consider how convinced wecan be> > >

with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the

time!!!!!!!!.With> > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.> > >> > >

Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is avery good> > >

principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in

vargas.I> > > hope your research in this area will prove helpful forstudents

like> > > me in the future.> > >> > > Expecting your clarification.> > >

> > > Regds> > > Pradeep> > >> > >> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R

..Rao"> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > Namaste friends,> > > >> > > > >

I see no-one has commented on theappointment today of

> > > the new pope.> > > >> > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends

on this auspiciousoccasion> > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> > > >> > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his electionis:>

> > >> > > > 2005 April 19> > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)> > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11> > >

>> > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious forspreading

> > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).> > > >> >

> > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements.Vaara> > >

(weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara

bala (weekday> > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is

Mars.He is the> > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy

willlast long.> > > >

> > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!!Mars at> > >

27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK(chara amatya> > >

karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be

replaced> > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,> >

> especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. Itshows a> > >

change of guard in a short time.

> > > >> > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.> >

> >> > > > * * *> > > >> > > > Now let us look at the

chart of Pope himself. According to

the Holy> > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16

inMarktl,> > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan>

> > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in

the> > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on theEaster> >

> morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signsand feel> > >

that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge

in navamsa> > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa.

Thebirthdata I am> > > taking is:> > > >> > > > 1927 April 16> > > >

6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)> > > >> > > > Aries rises with

exalted Sun in it. This makes him astrong,> > > authoritative and

enterprising person. That Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa> > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of

10vargas).> > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he

is> > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming

the chart> > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows

aperson of> > > the stature of maharshis.> > > >> > > > Navamsa has

Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John

Paul II> > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. PopeBenedict

XVI> > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows thathis dharma>

> > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

(Jupiter)> > > coming in a lineage (Ketu).> > > >> > > > In dasamsa,

Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in adasamsa> > > ruled by Ananta

(shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house

has exalted> > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by

Isaana.Isaana is an> > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's

dasamsa showreligious> > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's

dasamsa

involved with> > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope

JohnPaul II and> > > several Shankaracharyas too!> > > >> > > > The 5th

lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows

a> > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher(Isaana).> >

> Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show adisciplinarian.> > >

Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism.

Planets in> > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate

andunemotional> > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and

animpassionate keeper> > > of dharma.

> > > >> > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq andshould

be> > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It isempty and>

> > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> > > >> > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During> >

> Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into theauxiliary> > >

anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of

profession),> > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd

houses.Especially,> > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's

dasamsa.Such a Mars> > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa

made him

a> > > military man.> > > >> > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy

and theology. This> > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952).

In D-

24 (chart> > > of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9thhouse

(6th> > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor'sdegree and>

> > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as

masters.> > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree insome

Aquarian> > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in

Rahudasa.> > > >

> > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord inD-24 and> >

> shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 andoccupies 6th.> > >

Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching

fundamental> > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa.> > > >> > > > In the

next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various> > > publications and

papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10

and shows> > > writing.> > > >> > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the

Archbishop of Munichand> > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed

Cardinal by Pope

Paul VI.> > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL(ghatika

lagna)> > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows

theintangible> > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

expression/manifestation> > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord.

Mars is in A5and Venus> > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements

andrecognitions> > > during this antardasa!!

> > > >> > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!> >

> Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope!He became> > >

a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the

college of> > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.> > > >> >

> > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdataI> > >

presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to

work> > > brilliantly in this case.> > > >> > > > May Jupiter's light

shine on us,> > > > Narasimha> > > >

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