Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri Narasimha

April 20, 2005

The whole problem lies in the beholders eyes... not that there is no

beauty!

Cutting-edge technologies become outdated after some time - craving

for them is of no use!

There is no proof either that many used arudhas/varga chakras etc.,

and rejected them as useless.....

.....big yawn!

**********

>

Many on the list beleive that this is 21st

> century cutting edge technology and anyone questioning its

> applicabilty is someone living in dark ages. Some have even mocked

me for putting some questions to the methodology.

> ...

April 21, 2005

Namaste,

Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a science/art of

tendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free will. Whether there

is free will or not is also debatable. My jyotish guru says that if

one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an expereinced jyotishi versed

in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go with it) then the

native gets a free will. That means ones we know what is in store for

us as prarabdha then one has a free will to decide how to accept it.

It is very important that the jyotishi is adept enough to read what

karmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha then the jatak can be

counselled as to what area of life free will can reign. In the areas

of adridha karma one may not have much free will. Some allude that if

one is really sincere in prayer and lives the life in total surrender

to the higher power some of the bad effects of prarabdha are only

experienced in dreams.

Some of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP prashana. They

say that with prashan the event is current and has very short duration

of applicability so the free will does not come into play that much.

....

P.S. Besides Narasimha and to some extent Visti and sanjay prabhakaran

it is a waste of time to debate issues with other sjc chelas. Partha

sarathy is a total waste of time

On 4/20/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Praveen-ji,

> Namaskar. I totally agree and commend this discussion

> and hope this thread grows long, pooling in different thoughts. Just

> the other day, I explained a person's chart for his car accidents

> (using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the indications of

> having an accident is very strong. Then I asked what gemstones the

> person is wearing and found that he has been wearing a stone for the

> 12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me think something

> is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will recommend such a

> gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me wrong latitude and

> longitude information and again recalculating the chart I found that

> the new chart is totally different and yet again I can fully explain

> how this new chart can show the accidents !

>

> The moral is , and this is a very important moral, that precision of

> time place and due consideration for the *definition* of event is

> necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a probabilistic

> science and it gives predictions based on that only. There are

> various layers of information and rasi chart is the first layer.

>

> I think there is plenty of debate still out there about

> definition of an event. Take the example of birth time. Some people

> consider severing the umbilical cord as birth time, some take it as

> the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or prana) and so

> forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. Some astrologers

> event do not bother about precision of birth time and start with a

> given time and like to precisely rectify (read adjust) the time so

> that all the past events are correctly aligning with that time, and

> then take that time for future predictions.

>

> I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it can never be

> precise. The reason is that there are two forces that are playing in

> each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of past karma) and

> free will. From a birth chart we know the impression of accumuated

> karma but can we trap the signature of free will inside the same

> chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free will, is it, and

> astrology and life itself, becomes totally deterministic. Hence, if

> we try to

> take a rectified birth chart and predict an event too far away into

> the future then we are neglecting the effect of free will in between

> these two times. Many astrologers say that for highly evolved souls

> ( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological principles do not work.

> Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of free will they

> possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as a deterministic

> predictive science, but as a tool that can be refined and adjusted

> as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing as chart time

> every year or every couple of years) to see which direction our

> lives are taking with the combined effect of fate and free will.

>

> Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. assessing the future

> effects of a particular event that occurred at a given place or a

> time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. Here the free will

> component is much more and more varied and cannot assessed easily.

> That is why we see that different gurus of SJC analysed the US

> elections and gave completely different ( but both logically

> precise) predictions. If one of the predictions become successful, I

> will still hesitate to believe that that particular astrologer is

> better than another astrologer whose prediction came out wrong.

>

> This posting is getting too long and may be trying for someone's

> patience. So let me end by reiterating the need to get precise data

> to start with but also the need to reevaluate a chart time to time

> for making it better.

>

> Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some good comments.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sourav

>

> vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

>

> <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating

> with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its

> position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is

> advance predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of

> Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised

> them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

> unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the

> God.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > -

> > vijayadas_pradeep

> > vedic astrology

> > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri

> Narasimha

> >

> > Dear Shri Narasimha ji

> >

> > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be

> confirmed

> > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

> >

> > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due

> respect

> > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -

> > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> >

> > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make

> it

> > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

> planet/lagna

> > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

> saptamsha -

> > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you

> hold a

> > different position.

> >

> > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

> cannot

> > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that

> there

> > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results?

> Which

> > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by

> > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main?

> If we

> > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the

> main?

> >

> > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined

> divisions

> > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga

> which

> > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of

> Late

> > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga

> in

> > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga

> can be

> > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or

> physique.

> >

> > Now people have started recognizing the validity of these

> questions

> > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find

> many

> > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for

> me ''.Now

> > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of

> aspects

> > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One

> can

> > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

> >

> > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and

> they are

> > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are

> > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you

> > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri

> Nrasimhas

> > example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can

> be

> > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the

> time!!!!!!!!.With

> > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

> >

> > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very

> good

> > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in

> vargas.I

> > hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students

> like

> > me in the future.

> >

> > Expecting your clarification.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > > I see no-one has commented on the appointment

> today of

> > the new pope.

> > >

> > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious

> occasion

> > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> > >

> > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:

> > >

> > > 2005 April 19

> > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

> > >

> > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for

> spreading

> > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

> > >

> > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara

> > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala

> (weekday

> > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He

> is the

> > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last

> long.

> > >

> > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at

> > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara

> amatya

> > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be

> replaced

> > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

> > especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It

> shows a

> > change of guard in a short time.

> > >

> > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the

> Holy

> > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,

> > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

> > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the

> > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the

> Easter

> > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and

> feel

> > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in

> navamsa

> > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata

> I am

> > taking is:

> > >

> > > 1927 April 16

> > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

> > >

> > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,

> > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in

> Brahmalokamsa

> > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10

> vargas).

> > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

> > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the

> chart

> > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a

> person of

> > the stature of maharshis.

> > >

> > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul

> II

> > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope

> Benedict XVI

> > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his

> dharma

> > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

> (Jupiter)

> > coming in a lineage (Ketu).

> > >

> > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa

> > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has

> exalted

> > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana

> is an

> > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show

> religious

> > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved

> with

> > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II

> and

> > several Shankaracharyas too!

> > >

> > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a

> > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher

> (Isaana).

> > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a

> disciplinarian.

> > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in

> > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional

> > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate

> keeper

> > of dharma.

> > >

> > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should

> be

> > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is

> empty and

> > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> > >

> > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

> > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the

> auxiliary

> > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),

> > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses.

> Especially,

> > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a

> Mars

> > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a

> > military man.

> > >

> > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

> > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24

> (chart

> > of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house

> (6th

> > from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree

> and

> > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as

> masters.

> > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some

> Aquarian

> > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu

> dasa.

> > >

> > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-

> 24 and

> > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies

> 6th.

> > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental

> > theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

> > >

> > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

> > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and

> shows

> > writing.

> > >

> > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and

> > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul

> VI.

> > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika

> lagna)

> > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the

> intangible

> > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

> expression/manifestation

> > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and

> Venus

> > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions

> > during this antardasa!!

> > >

> > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He

> became

> > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the

> college of

> > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

> > >

> > > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I

> > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work

> > brilliantly in this case.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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Namaste,

> adridha karma one may not have much free will<

I meant dridha karma one may not have much free will.

Also I apologize for saying Mr. Partha sarthy. Just because he chose

to deride me on the list is no excuse for me to do the same.

On 4/21/05, Panditji <navagraha wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a science/art of

> tendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free will. Whether there

> is free will or not is also debatable. My jyotish guru says that if

> one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an expereinced jyotishi versed

> in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go with it) then the

> native gets a free will. That means ones we know what is in store for

> us as prarabdha then one has a free will to decide how to accept it.

> It is very important that the jyotishi is adept enough to read what

> karmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha then the jatak can be

> counselled as to what area of life free will can reign. In the areas

> of adridha karma one may not have much free will. Some allude that if

> one is really sincere in prayer and lives the life in total surrender

> to the higher power some of the bad effects of prarabdha are only

> experienced in dreams.

>

> Some of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP prashana. They

> say that with prashan the event is current and has very short duration

> of applicability so the free will does not come into play that much.

>

> ...

>

> P.S. Besides Narasimha and to some extent Visti and sanjay prabhakaran

> it is a waste of time to debate issues with other sjc chelas. Partha

> sarathy is a total waste of time

>

> On 4/20/05, Sourav Chowdhury <sourav12 wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Praveen-ji,

> > Namaskar. I totally agree and commend this discussion

> > and hope this thread grows long, pooling in different thoughts. Just

> > the other day, I explained a person's chart for his car accidents

> > (using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the indications of

> > having an accident is very strong. Then I asked what gemstones the

> > person is wearing and found that he has been wearing a stone for the

> > 12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me think something

> > is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will recommend such a

> > gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me wrong latitude and

> > longitude information and again recalculating the chart I found that

> > the new chart is totally different and yet again I can fully explain

> > how this new chart can show the accidents !

> >

> > The moral is , and this is a very important moral, that precision of

> > time place and due consideration for the *definition* of event is

> > necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a probabilistic

> > science and it gives predictions based on that only. There are

> > various layers of information and rasi chart is the first layer.

> >

> > I think there is plenty of debate still out there about

> > definition of an event. Take the example of birth time. Some people

> > consider severing the umbilical cord as birth time, some take it as

> > the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or prana) and so

> > forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. Some astrologers

> > event do not bother about precision of birth time and start with a

> > given time and like to precisely rectify (read adjust) the time so

> > that all the past events are correctly aligning with that time, and

> > then take that time for future predictions.

> >

> > I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it can never be

> > precise. The reason is that there are two forces that are playing in

> > each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of past karma) and

> > free will. From a birth chart we know the impression of accumuated

> > karma but can we trap the signature of free will inside the same

> > chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free will, is it, and

> > astrology and life itself, becomes totally deterministic. Hence, if

> > we try to

> > take a rectified birth chart and predict an event too far away into

> > the future then we are neglecting the effect of free will in between

> > these two times. Many astrologers say that for highly evolved souls

> > ( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological principles do not work.

> > Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of free will they

> > possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as a deterministic

> > predictive science, but as a tool that can be refined and adjusted

> > as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing as chart time

> > every year or every couple of years) to see which direction our

> > lives are taking with the combined effect of fate and free will.

> >

> > Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. assessing the future

> > effects of a particular event that occurred at a given place or a

> > time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. Here the free will

> > component is much more and more varied and cannot assessed easily.

> > That is why we see that different gurus of SJC analysed the US

> > elections and gave completely different ( but both logically

> > precise) predictions. If one of the predictions become successful, I

> > will still hesitate to believe that that particular astrologer is

> > better than another astrologer whose prediction came out wrong.

> >

> > This posting is getting too long and may be trying for someone's

> > patience. So let me end by reiterating the need to get precise data

> > to start with but also the need to reevaluate a chart time to time

> > for making it better.

> >

> > Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some good comments.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> >

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating

> > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its

> > position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is

> > advance predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of

> > Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised

> > them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

> > unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the

> > God.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri

> > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be

> > confirmed

> > > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

> > >

> > > It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due

> > respect

> > > during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -

> > > which is derived from Rashi chakra.

> > >

> > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make

> > it

> > > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

> > planet/lagna

> > > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

> > saptamsha -

> > > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> > > Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you

> > hold a

> > > different position.

> > >

> > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

> > cannot

> > > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that

> > there

> > > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results?

> > Which

> > > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by

> > > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main?

> > If we

> > > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the

> > main?

> > >

> > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined

> > divisions

> > > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga

> > which

> > > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of

> > Late

> > > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga

> > in

> > > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga

> > can be

> > > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or

> > physique.

> > >

> > > Now people have started recognizing the validity of these

> > questions

> > > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find

> > many

> > > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for

> > me ''.Now

> > > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of

> > aspects

> > > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One

> > can

> > > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

> > >

> > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and

> > they are

> > > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are

> > > ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you

> > > are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri

> > Nrasimhas

> > > example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can

> > be

> > > with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the

> > time!!!!!!!!.With

> > > any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

> > >

> > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very

> > good

> > > principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in

> > vargas.I

> > > hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students

> > like

> > > me in the future.

> > >

> > > Expecting your clarification.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > > I see no-one has commented on the appointment

> > today of

> > > the new pope.

> > > >

> > > > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious

> > occasion

> > > of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> > > >

> > > > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:

> > > >

> > > > 2005 April 19

> > > > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> > > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

> > > >

> > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for

> > spreading

> > > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

> > > >

> > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara

> > > (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala

> > (weekday

> > > strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He

> > is the

> > > exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last

> > long.

> > > >

> > > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at

> > > 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara

> > amatya

> > > karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be

> > replaced

> > > by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

> > > especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It

> > shows a

> > > change of guard in a short time.

> > > >

> > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the

> > Holy

> > > See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,

> > > Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

> > > theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the

> > > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the

> > Easter

> > > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and

> > feel

> > > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in

> > navamsa

> > > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata

> > I am

> > > taking is:

> > > >

> > > > 1927 April 16

> > > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

> > > >

> > > > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,

> > > authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in

> > Brahmalokamsa

> > > (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10

> > vargas).

> > > Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

> > > undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the

> > chart

> > > is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a

> > person of

> > > the stature of maharshis.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul

> > II

> > > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope

> > Benedict XVI

> > > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his

> > dharma

> > > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

> > (Jupiter)

> > > coming in a lineage (Ketu).

> > > >

> > > > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa

> > > ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has

> > exalted

> > > 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana

> > is an

> > > auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show

> > religious

> > > professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved

> > with

> > > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II

> > and

> > > several Shankaracharyas too!

> > > >

> > > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a

> > > passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher

> > (Isaana).

> > > Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a

> > disciplinarian.

> > > Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in

> > > Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional

> > > adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate

> > keeper

> > > of dharma.

> > > >

> > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should

> > be

> > > taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is

> > empty and

> > > Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> > > >

> > > > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

> > > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the

> > auxiliary

> > > anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),

> > > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses.

> > Especially,

> > > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a

> > Mars

> > > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a

> > > military man.

> > > >

> > > > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

> > > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24

> > (chart

> > > of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house

> > (6th

> > > from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree

> > and

> > > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as

> > masters.

> > > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some

> > Aquarian

> > > subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu

> > dasa.

> > > >

> > > > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-

> > 24 and

> > > shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies

> > 6th.

> > > Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental

> > > theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

> > > >

> > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

> > > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and

> > shows

> > > writing.

> > > >

> > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and

> > > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul

> > VI.

> > > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika

> > lagna)

> > > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the

> > intangible

> > > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

> > expression/manifestation

> > > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and

> > Venus

> > > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions

> > > during this antardasa!!

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> > > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He

> > became

> > > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the

> > college of

> > > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

> > > >

> > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I

> > > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work

> > > brilliantly in this case.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

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April 21, 2005

Dear Narasimha et al.

Namaste.

Are you sure that there was summer time at that time in that year in Germany? I

do find that Jagannath Hora gives incorrect summer times at least for Hungary

as I know the exact years when it was observed or not. I don't know if anyone

has the same experience for other countries.

Yours,

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vedic astrology

Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:40 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri Narasimha

Namaste,Souravji has made some good points and jyotish is a science/art

oftendencies. One can not ignore the effect of free will. Whether thereis free

will or not is also debatable. My jyotish guru says that ifone gets a good

jyotish reading ( from an expereinced jyotishi versedin shastras and with

plenty of life experience to go with it) then thenative gets a free will. That

means ones we know what is in store forus as prarabdha then one has a free will

to decide how to accept it.It is very important that the jyotishi is adept

enough to read whatkarmas are dridha and dridha-adridha or adridha then the

jatak can becounselled as to what area of life free will can reign. In the

areasof adridha karma one may not have much free will. Some allude that ifone

is really sincere in prayer and lives the life in total surrenderto the higher

power some of the bad effects of prarabdha are onlyexperienced in dreams.Some

of the jyotishis I know only use prashna, or KP prashana. Theysay that with

prashan the event is current and has very short durationof applicability so the

free will does not come into play that much....P.S. Besides Narasimha and to

some extent Visti and sanjay prabhakaranit is a waste of time to debate issues

with other sjc chelas. Parthasarathy is a total waste of timeOn 4/20/05, Sourav

Chowdhury <sourav12 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear

Praveen-ji,> Namaskar. I totally agree and commend this

discussion > and hope this thread grows long, pooling in different thoughts.

Just > the other day, I explained a person's chart for his car accidents >

(using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the indications of > having an

accident is very strong. Then I asked what gemstones the > person is wearing

and found that he has been wearing a stone for the > 12th house's lord ! I was

surprised and it made me think something > is going wrong as no reasonable

astrologer will recommend such a > gemstone. Then I found that the person gave

me wrong latitude and > longitude information and again recalculating the chart

I found that > the new chart is totally different and yet again I can fully

explain > how this new chart can show the accidents ! > > The moral is , and

this is a very important moral, that precision of > time place and due

consideration for the *definition* of event is > necessary. The reason is

simple. Astrology is a probabilistic > science and it gives predictions based

on that only. There are > various layers of information and rasi chart is the

first layer. > > I think there is plenty of debate still out there about >

definition of an event. Take the example of birth time. Some people > consider

severing the umbilical cord as birth time, some take it as > the first cry

(i.e. the first intake of breath or prana) and so > forth. There are atleast 10

definitions of birth. Some astrologers > event do not bother about precision of

birth time and start with a > given time and like to precisely rectify (read

adjust) the time so > that all the past events are correctly aligning with that

time, and > then take that time for future predictions. > > I feel that this

above way is pretty good, but it can never be > precise. The reason is that

there are two forces that are playing in > each of our lives -- fate

(accumulated effect of past karma) and > free will. From a birth chart we know

the impression of accumuated > karma but can we trap the signature of free will

inside the same > chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free will, is it,

and > astrology and life itself, becomes totally deterministic. Hence, if > we

try to > take a rectified birth chart and predict an event too far away into >

the future then we are neglecting the effect of free will in between > these

two times. Many astrologers say that for highly evolved souls > ( mahapurushas

) our 'normal' astrological principles do not work. > Why ?? May be its because

of the high degree of free will they > possess. Thus we should not think of

astrology as a deterministic > predictive science, but as a tool that can be

refined and adjusted > as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing as

chart time > every year or every couple of years) to see which direction our >

lives are taking with the combined effect of fate and free will.> > Mundane

astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. assessing the future > effects of a

particular event that occurred at a given place or a > time) needs more thought

than Natal astrology. Here the free will > component is much more and more

varied and cannot assessed easily. > That is why we see that different gurus of

SJC analysed the US > elections and gave completely different ( but both

logically > precise) predictions. If one of the predictions become successful,

I > will still hesitate to believe that that particular astrologer is > better

than another astrologer whose prediction came out wrong.> > This posting is

getting too long and may be trying for someone's > patience. So let me end by

reiterating the need to get precise data > to start with but also the need to

reevaluate a chart time to time > for making it better.> > Hope this helps, and

I am surely expecting some good comments.> > Regards,> > Sourav> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> >

Dear Pradeep,> > Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas

repeating > with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its >

position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is > advance

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of > Jyotish Group

like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised > them, but of no avail. A

whole generation is being misguided. Most > unfortunate ! But then, as Shri

K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the > God.> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > >

- > > vijayadas_pradeep > > To:

vedic astrology > > 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM> > Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri > Narasimha> > > > > > > >

Dear Shri Narasimha ji> > > > With different Birth times we have seen how a

Pope can be > confirmed> > and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!> > > > It

has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due > respect> > during

your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -> > which is derived

from Rashi chakra.> > > > As thousands of students are observing this analysis

- Pls make > it> > clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a >

planet/lagna> > alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on >

saptamsha -> > One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting ->

> Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you > hold a> >

different position.> > > > Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering

the vargas > cannot> > make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it

mean that > there> > is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the

results? > Which> > is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra?

Division by> > meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this

main?> If we> > consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is

the > main?> > > > Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage

defined > divisions> > as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a

single varga > which> > cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your

analysis of > Late> > Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning

Saraswati yoga > in> > Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how

Saraswati yoga > can be> > found in the chart - Which you beleive is for

shareera or > physique.> > > > Now people have started recognizing the

validity of these > questions> > and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of

that one can find > many> > insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works

well for > me ''.Now> > this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As

hundreds of > aspects> > in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9

planets - One > can> > satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel

happy.> > > > Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and >

they are> > ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are>

> ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you> > are

very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri > Nrasimhas> > example

i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can > be> > with varga

'' chart'' results irrespective of the > time!!!!!!!!.With> > any time we can

recitfy vargas create a Pope.> > > > Your analysis using the amsha dieties

within dashamsha is a very > good> > principle and is sanctioned by parashara

unlike houses in > vargas.I> > hope your research in this area will prove

helpful for students > like> > me in the future.> > > > Expecting your

clarification.> > > > Regds> > Pradeep> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> > <pvr@c...> wrote:>

> > Namaste friends,> > > > > > > I see no-one has commented

on the appointment > today of> > the new pope. > > > > > > My best

wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious > occasion> > of Pope

Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!> > > > > > The time at which he seems

to have accepted his election is:> > > > > > 2005 April 19> > > 17:50

(TZ: 2:00 east)> > > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)> > > Moon: 9Le18, Asc:

12Vi11> > > > > > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for

> spreading> > the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).> >

> > > > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara> >

(weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala > (weekday> >

strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He > is the> >

exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last > long.> > >

> > > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at> >

27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara > amatya> >

karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be > replaced> > by

Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,> > especially

involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It > shows a> > change of

guard in a short time.> > > > > > So I am afraid that this papacy will be

quite short-lived.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > Now let

us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the > Holy> > See website,

The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,> > Germany. In a radio

program I heard this evening, a Floridan> > theologian who was Holy Father's

student said he was born in the> > morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and

was baptised on the > Easter> > morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be

the rising signs and > feel> > that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna

should be Ge in > navamsa> > and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in

shashtyamsa. The birthdata > I am> > taking is:> > > > > > 1927 April

16> > > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)> > > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)> > > >

> > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,> >

authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in > Brahmalokamsa> >

(occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 > vargas).> >

Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is> > undoubtedly

a man of great intellect and character (assuming the > chart> > is correct).

A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a > person of> > the stature of

maharshis.> > > > > > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope

John Paul > II> > had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope >

Benedict XVI> > has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his

> dharma> > (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge >

(Jupiter)> > coming in a lineage (Ketu).> > > > > > In dasamsa, Gemini

rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa> > ruled by Ananta (shows

spiritual rise) and the 10th house has > exalted> > 5th/12th lord Venus, who

is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana > is an> > auspicioud form Shiva and

planets in Isaana's dasamsa show > religious> > professions. You can see

planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved > with> > lagna or 10th house in dasamsa

in the chart of Pope John Paul II > and> > several Shankaracharyas too!> > >

> > > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a> >

passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher > (Isaana).> >

Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a > disciplinarian.> >

Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in> > Yama's

dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional> > adherence of

dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate > keeper> > of dharma.> >

> > > > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should > be>

> taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is > empty and> >

Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.> > > > > > As he has Sun in

lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During> > Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was

called was called into the > auxiliary> > anti-aircraft service in Germany.

In D-10 (chart of profession),> > Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th

and 3rd houses. > Especially,> > Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in

Yama's dasamsa. Such a > Mars> > can show work in the military. Thus, Mars

antardasa made him a> > military man.> > > > > > During 1946-1951, he

studied philosophy and theology. This> > corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani

dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 > (chart> > of education), the 4th house shows

basic education, 9th house > (6th> > from 4th) shows specialized education

such as bachelor's degree > and> > the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows

focussed study such as > masters.> > Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows

master's degree in some > Aquarian> > subjects (such as philosophy). No

wonder it happened in Rahu > dasa.> > > > > > Next dasa was that of

Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-> 24 and> > shows giving knowledge. He

is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies > 6th.> > Thus, he shows teaching

profession. He was teaching fundamental> > theology for most of Jupiter

dasa.> > > > > > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru

various> > publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and >

shows> > writing.> > > > > > In March 1977, he was elected as the

Archbishop of Munich and> > Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed

Cardinal by Pope Paul > VI.> > Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is

in GL (ghatika > lagna)> > in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house

shows the > intangible> > abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible >

expression/manifestation> > of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars

is in A5 and > Venus> > is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and

recognitions> > during this antardasa!!> > > > > > Interestingly, it is

now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!> > Mars-Venus made him a cardinal.

Venus-Mars made him a pope! He > became> > a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and

he became a Dean of the > college of> > cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in

Venus mahadasa.> > > > > > I am reasonably comfortable with the

speculative birthdata I> > presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa

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Dear Panditji,

You wrote, "..........if one gets a good jyotish reading ( from an experienced

jyotishi versed in shastras and with plenty of life experience to go with it)

then the native gets a free will."

This gives a new insight though there seems to be no end of debate over the

vexed question. Perhaps, one's state of mind while doing a karma is very

important.

Thanks,

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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Panditji

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21, 04, 2005 6:10 PM