Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri Narasimha

April 20, 2005

Dear Shri Narasimha ji

With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be confirmed

and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due respect

during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -

which is derived from Rashi chakra.

As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make it

clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a planet/lagna

alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on saptamsha -

One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you hold a

different position.

Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas cannot

make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that there

is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results? Which

is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by

meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main?If we

consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the main?

Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined divisions

as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga which

cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of Late

Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga in

Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga can be

found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or physique.

Now people have started recognizing the validity of these questions

and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find many

insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for me ''.Now

this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of aspects

in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One can

satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and they are

''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are

''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you

are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri Nrasimhas

example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can be

with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the time!!!!!!!!.With

any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very good

principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in vargas.I

hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students like

me in the future.

Expecting your clarification.

Regds

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> > I see no-one has commented on the appointment today of

the new pope.

>

> My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious occasion

of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

>

> The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:

>

> 2005 April 19

> 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

>

> Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreading

the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

>

> The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara

(weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekday

strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He is the

exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last long.

>

> More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at

27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatya

karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replaced

by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It shows a

change of guard in a short time.

>

> So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

>

> * * *

>

> Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the Holy

See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,

Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the

morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the Easter

morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and feel

that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in navamsa

and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I am

taking is:

>

> 1927 April 16

> 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

>

> Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,

authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in Brahmalokamsa

(occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 vargas).

Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chart

is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person of

the stature of maharshis.

>

> Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul II

had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict XVI

has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his dharma

(navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge (Jupiter)

coming in a lineage (Ketu).

>

> In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa

ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has exalted

5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana is an

auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show religious

professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved with

lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II and

several Shankaracharyas too!

>

> The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a

passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher (Isaana).

Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a disciplinarian.

Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in

Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional

adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeper

of dharma.

>

> In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should be

taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty and

Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

>

> As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the auxiliary

anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),

Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially,

Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Mars

can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a

military man.

>

> During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 (chart

of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house (6th

from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree and

the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters.

Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquarian

subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa.

>

> Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-24 and

shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th.

Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental

theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

>

> In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and shows

writing.

>

> In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and

Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul VI.

Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika lagna)

in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the intangible

abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible expression/manifestation

of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and Venus

is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions

during this antardasa!!

>

> Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He became

a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college of

cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

>

> I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I

presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work

brilliantly in this case.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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April 20, 2005

Dear Pradeep,

Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating with lagna as it

is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its position fast. Then, touchstone

of any predictive principle is advance predictions, which they always elude.

Veteran astrologers of Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too

advised them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

-

vijayadas_pradeep

vedic astrology

21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri Narasimha

Dear Shri Narasimha jiWith different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be

confirmedand analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!It has been observed that the

Rashi chakra was not given due respectduring your analysis.Results were decided

on the basis of varga -which is derived from Rashi chakra.As thousands of

students are observing this analysis - Pls make itclear is it possible to

deduce results from varga of a planet/lagnaalone.When Panditji had questioned a

similar analysis on saptamsha -One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and

correcting -Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you hold

adifferent position.Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

cannotmake good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that thereis

someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results? Whichis this other

MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division bymeaning should have a main to

get divided.So which is this main?If weconsider Rashi chakra as the first

division - then where is the main?Which is the first division then? - Has not

the sage defined divisionsas divisions of individual signs.Also is there a

single varga whichcannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis

of LateJhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga inRashi

chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga can befound in the

chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or physique.Now people have started

recognizing the validity of these questionsand that is a positive aspect.But

inspite of that one can find manyinsisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it

works well for me ''.Nowthis is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As

hundreds of aspectsin a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets -

One cansatisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.Astro Bank has

given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and they are''happy''.A french site is

having another time and they too are''happy''.With a totally different time in

the morning 6.33 - youare very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri

Nrasimhasexample i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can bewith

varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the time!!!!!!!!.Withany time we can

recitfy vargas create a Pope.Your analysis using the amsha dieties within

dashamsha is a very goodprinciple and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses

in vargas.Ihope your research in this area will prove helpful for students

likeme in the future.Expecting your clarification.RegdsPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<pvr@c...> wrote:>

Namaste friends,> > > I see no-one has commented on the

appointment today ofthe new pope. > > My best wishes to our catholic friends

on this auspicious occasionof Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!> > The

time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:> > 2005 April 19>

17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)> Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)> Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11>

> Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreadingthe genuine

knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).> > The five panchanga

elements correspond to five elements. Vaara(weekday) corresponds to agni tattva

(fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekdaystrength) is important for longevity. Weekday

lord is Mars. He is theexalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy

will last long.> > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars

at27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatyakaraka).

Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replacedby Saturn in due

course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,especially involving AK, is

considered very inauspicious. It shows achange of guard in a short time.> > So

I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.> > * * *>

> Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the HolySee

website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,Germany. In a

radio program I heard this evening, a Floridantheologian who was Holy Father's

student said he was born in themorning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was

baptised on the Eastermorning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising

signs and feelthat Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in

navamsaand dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I

amtaking is:> > 1927 April 16> 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)> Marktl, Germany (12e5,

48n15)> > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a

strong,authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa(occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10

vargas).Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he

isundoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chartis

correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person ofthe stature

of maharshis.> > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John

Paul IIhad kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict

XVIhas Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his

dharma(navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

(Jupiter)coming in a lineage (Ketu).> > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th

lord Jupiter is in a dasamsaruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th

house has exalted5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana.

Isaana is anauspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show

religiousprofessions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved

withlagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II andseveral

Shankaracharyas too!> > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house

shows apassionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher

(Isaana).Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a

disciplinarian.Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets

inYama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotionaladherence of

dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeperof dharma.> > In

dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should betaken as lagna to

see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty andMars owns it. His father was

a police officer.> > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies.

DuringSaturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the

auxiliaryanti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),Saturn

and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially,Mars is the 6th

lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Marscan show work in the

military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him amilitary man.> > During 1946-1951, he

studied philosophy and theology. Thiscorresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa

(1946-1952). In D-24 (chartof education), the 4th house shows basic education,

9th house (6thfrom 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree

andthe 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters.Rahu is

the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquariansubjects (such as

philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa.> > Next dasa was that of

Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-24 andshows giving knowledge. He is the

10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th.Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was

teaching fundamentaltheology for most of Jupiter dasa.> > In the next dasa of

Sun, he became well-known thru variouspublications and papers. Sun is the

exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and showswriting.> > In March 1977, he was elected as

the Archbishop of Munich andFreising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal

by Pope Paul VI.Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika

lagna)in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the

intangibleabilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

expression/manifestationof abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in

A5 and Venusis the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and

recognitionsduring this antardasa!!> > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa

in Venus mahadasa!Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He

becamea teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college

ofcardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.> > I am reasonably

comfortable with the speculative birthdata Ipresented in this article and

shashtihayani dasa seems to workbrilliantly in this case.> > May Jupiter's

light shine on us,> Narasimha>

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April 20, 2005

Dear shri Pravin ji

Thanks for your mail.

As jyotish is vast no one can be sure about the Truth.But we can be

happy if atleast people are ready for a relook at the basics.Let the

divine shower light.

I have not done much study regarding physical nature and vargas,but i

beleive a learned astrologer can even rectify a chart by looking at

the shape of face,type of hair,eyes,nose etc.

One has to use drekkana,navasmha etc of our lagna for this purpose.I

think you have done some reading in this area.Shri Raman has also

mentioned something as reason for his Leo Lagna.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating with

lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its position

fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is advance

predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of Jyotish

Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised them, but of

no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most unfortunate !

But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the God.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri

Narasimha

>

> Dear Shri Narasimha ji

>

> With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be confirmed

> and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

>

> It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due respect

> during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -

> which is derived from Rashi chakra.

>

> As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make it

> clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a planet/lagna

> alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on saptamsha -

> One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you hold a

> different position.

>

> Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas cannot

> make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that there

> is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results? Which

> is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by

> meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main?If we

> consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the main?

>

> Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined divisions

> as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga which

> cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of Late

> Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga in

> Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga can be

> found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or physique.

>

> Now people have started recognizing the validity of these questions

> and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find many

> insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for me ''.Now

> this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of aspects

> in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One can

> satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

>

> Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and they are

> ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are

> ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you

> are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri Nrasimhas

> example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can be

> with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the time!!!!!!!!.With

> any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

>

> Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very good

> principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in vargas.I

> hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students like

> me in the future.

>

> Expecting your clarification.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > > I see no-one has commented on the appointment today of

> the new pope.

> >

> > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious occasion

> of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> >

> > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:

> >

> > 2005 April 19

> > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

> >

> > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreading

> the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

> >

> > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara

> (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekday

> strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He is the

> exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last long.

> >

> > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at

> 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatya

> karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replaced

> by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

> especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It shows a

> change of guard in a short time.

> >

> > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the Holy

> See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,

> Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

> theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the

> morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the Easter

> morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and feel

> that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in navamsa

> and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I am

> taking is:

> >

> > 1927 April 16

> > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

> >

> > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,

> authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in Brahmalokamsa

> (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 vargas).

> Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

> undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chart

> is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person of

> the stature of maharshis.

> >

> > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul II

> had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict XVI

> has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his dharma

> (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge (Jupiter)

> coming in a lineage (Ketu).

> >

> > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa

> ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has exalted

> 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana is an

> auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show religious

> professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved with

> lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II and

> several Shankaracharyas too!

> >

> > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a

> passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher (Isaana).

> Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a disciplinarian.

> Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in

> Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional

> adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeper

> of dharma.

> >

> > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should be

> taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty and

> Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> >

> > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

> Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the auxiliary

> anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),

> Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially,

> Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Mars

> can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a

> military man.

> >

> > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

> corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 (chart

> of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house (6th

> from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree and

> the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters.

> Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquarian

> subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa.

> >

> > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-24 and

> shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th.

> Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental

> theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

> >

> > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

> publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and shows

> writing.

> >

> > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and

> Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul VI.

> Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika lagna)

> in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the intangible

> abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible expression/manifestation

> of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and Venus

> is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions

> during this antardasa!!

> >

> > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He became

> a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college of

> cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

> >

> > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I

> presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work

> brilliantly in this case.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

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April 20, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Praveen-ji,

Namaskar. I totally agree and commend this discussion

and hope this thread grows long, pooling in different thoughts. Just

the other day, I explained a person's chart for his car accidents

(using both rasi and then D-16) and found the the indications of

having an accident is very strong. Then I asked what gemstones the

person is wearing and found that he has been wearing a stone for the

12th house's lord ! I was surprised and it made me think something

is going wrong as no reasonable astrologer will recommend such a

gemstone. Then I found that the person gave me wrong latitude and

longitude information and again recalculating the chart I found that

the new chart is totally different and yet again I can fully explain

how this new chart can show the accidents !

The moral is , and this is a very important moral, that precision of

time place and due consideration for the *definition* of event is

necessary. The reason is simple. Astrology is a probabilistic

science and it gives predictions based on that only. There are

various layers of information and rasi chart is the first layer.

I think there is plenty of debate still out there about

definition of an event. Take the example of birth time. Some people

consider severing the umbilical cord as birth time, some take it as

the first cry (i.e. the first intake of breath or prana) and so

forth. There are atleast 10 definitions of birth. Some astrologers

event do not bother about precision of birth time and start with a

given time and like to precisely rectify (read adjust) the time so

that all the past events are correctly aligning with that time, and

then take that time for future predictions.

I feel that this above way is pretty good, but it can never be

precise. The reason is that there are two forces that are playing in

each of our lives -- fate (accumulated effect of past karma) and

free will. From a birth chart we know the impression of accumuated

karma but can we trap the signature of free will inside the same

chart also. If we do, then its no longer a free will, is it, and

astrology and life itself, becomes totally deterministic. Hence, if

we try to

take a rectified birth chart and predict an event too far away into

the future then we are neglecting the effect of free will in between

these two times. Many astrologers say that for highly evolved souls

( mahapurushas ) our 'normal' astrological principles do not work.

Why ?? May be its because of the high degree of free will they

possess. Thus we should not think of astrology as a deterministic

predictive science, but as a tool that can be refined and adjusted

as we go along with our lives (meaning reassessing as chart time

every year or every couple of years) to see which direction our

lives are taking with the combined effect of fate and free will.

Mundane astrology and Muhurta astrology (i.e. assessing the future

effects of a particular event that occurred at a given place or a

time) needs more thought than Natal astrology. Here the free will

component is much more and more varied and cannot assessed easily.

That is why we see that different gurus of SJC analysed the US

elections and gave completely different ( but both logically

precise) predictions. If one of the predictions become successful, I

will still hesitate to believe that that particular astrologer is

better than another astrologer whose prediction came out wrong.

This posting is getting too long and may be trying for someone's

patience. So let me end by reiterating the need to get precise data

to start with but also the need to reevaluate a chart time to time

for making it better.

Hope this helps, and I am surely expecting some good comments.

Regards,

Sourav

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> Correct ! If we apply common sense, we can see Vargas repeating

with lagna as it is a few hours before. Only the Moon changes its

position fast. Then, touchstone of any predictive principle is

advance predictions, which they always elude. Veteran astrologers of

Jyotish Group like Shri K.N.Rao and Satya Prakash ji too advised

them, but of no avail. A whole generation is being misguided. Most

unfortunate ! But then, as Shri K.N.Rao says, it is the will of the

God.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> 21, 04, 2005 12:55 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Pope Benedict XVI/Shri

Narasimha

>

> Dear Shri Narasimha ji

>

> With different Birth times we have seen how a Pope can be

confirmed

> and analyzed amazingly from Vargas!!

>

> It has been observed that the Rashi chakra was not given due

respect

> during your analysis.Results were decided on the basis of varga -

> which is derived from Rashi chakra.

>

> As thousands of students are observing this analysis - Pls make

it

> clear is it possible to deduce results from varga of a

planet/lagna

> alone.When Panditji had questioned a similar analysis on

saptamsha -

> One could find Ms.Sarbani Sarkar rushing in and correcting -

> Significance of Rashi chakra.I would be pleased to know if you

hold a

> different position.

>

> Kalyan verma states - one who is not considering the vargas

cannot

> make good predictions.What does this mean? Doesn't it mean that

there

> is someother place - (other than vargas) - to read the results?

Which

> is this other MAIN place? Is it not the Rashi chakra? Division by

> meaning should have a main to get divided.So which is this main?

If we

> consider Rashi chakra as the first division - then where is the

main?

>

> Which is the first division then? - Has not the sage defined

divisions

> as divisions of individual signs.Also is there a single varga

which

> cannot be derived from the Rashi chakra.During your analysis of

Late

> Jhon Paul II - One could find yourself mentioning Saraswati yoga

in

> Rashi chart.But Mr.Sabri had asked a doubt - how Saraswati yoga

can be

> found in the chart - Which you beleive is for shareera or

physique.

>

> Now people have started recognizing the validity of these

questions

> and that is a positive aspect.But inspite of that one can find

many

> insisting - ''I use houses in vargas as it works well for

me ''.Now

> this is a very dangerous aspect of astrology - As hundreds of

aspects

> in a human life are explained using 12 signs and 9 planets - One

can

> satisfactorily fit anything into this mould and feel happy.

>

> Astro Bank has given 4.15 as the time for Pope Ratzinger and

they are

> ''happy''.A french site is having another time and they too are

> ''happy''.With a totally different time in the morning 6.33 - you

> are very happy.Shri Raman is happy with 14.23.Taking shri

Nrasimhas

> example i am requesting members to consider how convinced we can

be

> with varga '' chart'' results irrespective of the

time!!!!!!!!.With

> any time we can recitfy vargas create a Pope.

>

> Your analysis using the amsha dieties within dashamsha is a very

good

> principle and is sanctioned by parashara unlike houses in

vargas.I

> hope your research in this area will prove helpful for students

like

> me in the future.

>

> Expecting your clarification.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > > I see no-one has commented on the appointment

today of

> the new pope.

> >

> > My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious

occasion

> of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing!

> >

> > The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is:

> >

> > 2005 April 19

> > 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east)

> > Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2)

> > Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11

> >

> > Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for

spreading

> the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage).

> >

> > The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara

> (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala

(weekday

> strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He

is the

> exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last

long.

> >

> > More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at

> 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara

amatya

> karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be

replaced

> by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas,

> especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It

shows a

> change of guard in a short time.

> >

> > So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the

Holy

> See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl,

> Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan

> theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the

> morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the

Easter

> morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and

feel

> that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in

navamsa

> and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata

I am

> taking is:

> >

> > 1927 April 16

> > 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00)

> > Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15)

> >

> > Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong,

> authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in

Brahmalokamsa

> (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10

vargas).

> Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is

> undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the

chart

> is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a

person of

> the stature of maharshis.

> >

> > Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul

II

> had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope

Benedict XVI

> has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his

dharma

> (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge

(Jupiter)

> coming in a lineage (Ketu).

> >

> > In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa

> ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has

exalted

> 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana

is an

> auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show

religious

> professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved

with

> lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II

and

> several Shankaracharyas too!

> >

> > The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a

> passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher

(Isaana).

> Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a

disciplinarian.

> Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in

> Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional

> adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate

keeper

> of dharma.

> >

> > In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should

be

> taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is

empty and

> Mars owns it. His father was a police officer.

> >

> > As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During

> Saturn-Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the

auxiliary

> anti-aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession),

> Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses.

Especially,

> Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a

Mars

> can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a

> military man.

> >

> > During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This

> corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24

(chart

> of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house

(6th

> from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree

and

> the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as

masters.

> Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some

Aquarian

> subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu

dasa.

> >

> > Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-

24 and

> shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies

6th.

> Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental

> theology for most of Jupiter dasa.

> >

> > In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various

> publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and

shows

> writing.

> >

> > In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and

> Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul

VI.

> Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika

lagna)

> in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the

intangible

> abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible

expression/manifestation

> of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and

Venus

> is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions

> during this antardasa!!

> >

> > Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa!

> Mars-Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He

became

> a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the

college of

> cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa.

> >

> > I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I

> presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work

> brilliantly in this case.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

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Namaste Pradeepji,

Your urge to learn is very admirable. I think you have made many

logical and compelling arguments about this point. I have tried to

debate this issue , unfortunately I have basically been attacked by a

few on the list, some have taken it as an attack on their guru or

parampara or whatever. Many on the list beleive that this is 21st

century cutting edge technology and anyone questioning its

applicabilty is someone living in dark ages. Some have even mocked me

for putting some questions to the methodology.

As I have said before, if one uses lagna, arudh lagna, house from

karaka ( like 9th from sun for father), and then uses the same in said

so called divisional chart one can justify any event in any chart. The

proof of any methodology is being able to predict at a high success

rate ( atleast 70-75 percent). Very few can come close to that.

....

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