Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Dear Brennan, Astrodeinst gives it as TZ 2 hrs. Probably there was DST. Some western astrologers give the BT as 3.15 GMT (& 4.15 MET), you have any idea what it means? regards Suryaviswanadham vedic astrology, GWBrennan@a... wrote: > Dear Narasimha > > Can you explain why you have given TZ 2 for Marktl, Germany? At 12 degrees > East from Greenwich it is in TZ 1. > > Regards > > Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Dear Mr. Rao and esteemed members, Namasthe! I would like to add my observations on the newly elected Pope Benedict XVI's chart. I respectfully disagree with the birth time Mr. Rao has given. After observing the various physical features, trends and events in life, I feel Leo lagna is more appropriate for the new Pope. The time that I have arrived is 14.23 hrs on April 16, 1927 at Marktl, Germany (I use Raman Ayanamsa). I am giving below the methodology adopted for the benefit of members. The lagna in Rasi chart was arrived first, then in Navamsa, Dasamsa, Dwadasamsa, Siddhamsha and Shashtyamsa. 1. His square face and body structure makes him ideal for Leo Lagna. Jupiter's aspect on Lagna will make him respected by others in the society. 2. In Navamsa, a lagna whose 7th house is owned by Saturn is suitable. Saturn as the 7th lord creates disturbance with regard to 7th house matters. Saturn as the 7th lord in the 4th, viewing Venus is more ideal and hence Leo was selected 3. In Dasamsa chart, Capricorn is rising with Mercury in it. Mercury gives spiritual inclination. Saturn as the Lagna lord makes the person hard working. 10th lord Venus is in the house of Jupiter. Moreover, Pisces is a spiritual sign. Venus is also with Ketu, another spiritual planet. Jupiter further aspects Venus. 4. In Dwadasamsa chart, 4th lord is Venus and 10th from 4th is Lagna which is viewed by Venus, Saturn and Moon. His mother was a cook. 9th house is Libra, whose lord is Venus. 10th from 9th is Cancer. Both Jupiter and Saturn aspect this house. Jupiter indicates Law and Dharma, while Saturn indicates Labor work. His father was a police officer. 5. Siddhamsa chart relates to education. 5th house is the house of education. 5th lord Saturn is in the 11th, along with Jupiter indicating higher studies. Pope did his PhD in Theology. 6. Shashtyamsa chart indicates previous karma. It would be logical to conclude that the new pope would have done good karma in his previous life. Aries rising, with moon in it. Mars, Lagnadhipathi aspects Lagna. Dharmasthana has dharmadhipathi Jupiter and 5th lord Sun in it. 10th lord Saturn aspects dharmasthana. Important events: Since Lagna is Vargottama, Satabdhika Dasa is applicable. Maha Dasas: Sun: 1925-08-23 - 1930-08-23 Moon: 1930-08-23 - 1935-08-23 Ven: 1935-08-23 - 1945-08-23 Merc: 1945-08-23 - 1955-08-23 Jup: 1955-08-23 - 1975-08-23 Mars: 1975-08-23 - 1995-08-24 Sat: 1995-08-24 - 2025-08-23 • Mercury Dasa was from August 1945 to August 1955. This was when pope did his schooling. Mercury as the 11th lord gave him higher education during his Dasa. Mercury – Sun would helped him get his PhD in 1953. • During Jupiter Dasa, he became a teacher. Jupiter signifies Guru or teacher. Being the 5th lord, he is imparting whatever he learnt to the students. • He was made the Arch Bishop of Munich in March 1977 and later declared as cardinal in June 1977. Mars – Mars was running. Mars is the 9th (house of dharma) lord in the 11th (house of gains). Jupiter further aspects Mars. • Declared pope on April 19, 2005. Saturn-Sun. Sun is lagna lord, in 9th house and exalted. Saturn is also strong as he is retrograde. Being the owner of 7th, he become benefic. I request readers to kindly give their observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ vedic astrology [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:00 AM vedic astrology; varahamihira; SJC List; [vedic astrology] Chart of Pope Benedict XVI Namaste friends, > I see no-one has commented on the appointment today of the new pope. My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious occasion of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is: 2005 April 19 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreading the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage). The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekday strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He is the exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last long. More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatya karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replaced by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas, especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It shows a change of guard in a short time. So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived. * * * Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the Holy See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl, Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the Easter morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and feel that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in navamsa and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I am taking is: 1927 April 16 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong, authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in Brahmalokamsa (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 vargas). Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chart is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person of the stature of maharshis. Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul II had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict XVI has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his dharma (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge (Jupiter) coming in a lineage (Ketu). In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has exalted 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana is an auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show religious professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved with lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II and several Shankaracharyas too! The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher (Isaana). Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a disciplinarian. Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeper of dharma. In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should be taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty and Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During Saturn- Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the auxiliary anti- aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession), Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially, Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Mars can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a military man. During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 (chart of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house (6th from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree and the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters. Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquarian subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa. Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-24 and shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th. Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental theology for most of Jupiter dasa. In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and shows writing. In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul VI. Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika lagna) in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the intangible abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible expression/manifestation of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and Venus is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions during this antardasa!! Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa! Mars- Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He became a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college of cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa. I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work brilliantly in this case. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Dear Mr. Rao and esteemed members, Namasthe! I would like to add my observations on the newly elected Pope Benedict XVI's chart. I respectfully disagree with the birth time Mr. Rao has given. After observing the various physical features, trends and events in life, I feel Leo lagna is more appropriate for the new Pope. The time that I have arrived is 14.23 hrs on April 16, 1927 at Marktl, Germany (I use Raman Ayanamsa). I am giving below the methodology adopted for the benefit of members. The lagna in Rasi chart was arrived first, then in Navamsa, Dasamsa, Dwadasamsa, Siddhamsha and Shashtyamsa. 1. His square face and body structure makes him ideal for Leo Lagna. Jupiter's aspect on Lagna will make him respected by others in the society. 2. In Navamsa, a lagna whose 7th house is owned by Saturn is suitable. Saturn as the 7th lord creates disturbance with regard to 7th house matters. Saturn as the 7th lord in the 4th, viewing Venus is more ideal and hence Leo was selected 3. In Dasamsa chart, Capricorn is rising with Mercury in it. Mercury gives spiritual inclination. Saturn as the Lagna lord makes the person hard working. 10th lord Venus is in the house of Jupiter. Moreover, Pisces is a spiritual sign. Venus is also with Ketu, another spiritual planet. Jupiter further aspects Venus. 4. In Dwadasamsa chart, 4th lord is Venus and 10th from 4th is Lagna which is viewed by Venus, Saturn and Moon. His mother was a cook. 9th house is Libra, whose lord is Venus. 10th from 9th is Cancer. Both Jupiter and Saturn aspect this house. Jupiter indicates Law and Dharma, while Saturn indicates Labor work. His father was a police officer. 5. Siddhamsa chart relates to education. 5th house is the house of education. 5th lord Saturn is in the 11th, along with Jupiter indicating higher studies. Pope did his PhD in Theology. 6. Shashtyamsa chart indicates previous karma. It would be logical to conclude that the new pope would have done good karma in his previous life. Aries rising, with moon in it. Mars, Lagnadhipathi aspects Lagna. Dharmasthana has dharmadhipathi Jupiter and 5th lord Sun in it. 10th lord Saturn aspects dharmasthana. Important events: Since Lagna is Vargottama, Satabdhika Dasa is applicable. Maha Dasas: Sun: 1925-08-23 - 1930-08-23 Moon: 1930-08-23 - 1935-08-23 Ven: 1935-08-23 - 1945-08-23 Merc: 1945-08-23 - 1955-08-23 Jup: 1955-08-23 - 1975-08-23 Mars: 1975-08-23 - 1995-08-24 Sat: 1995-08-24 - 2025-08-23 • Mercury Dasa was from August 1945 to August 1955. This was when pope did his schooling. Mercury as the 11th lord gave him higher education during his Dasa. Mercury – Sun would helped him get his PhD in 1953. • During Jupiter Dasa, he became a teacher. Jupiter signifies Guru or teacher. Being the 5th lord, he is imparting whatever he learnt to the students. • He was made the Arch Bishop of Munich in March 1977 and later declared as cardinal in June 1977. Mars – Mars was running. Mars is the 9th (house of dharma) lord in the 11th (house of gains). Jupiter further aspects Mars. • Declared pope on April 19, 2005. Saturn-Sun. Sun is lagna lord, in 9th house and exalted. Saturn is also strong as he is retrograde. Being the owner of 7th, he become benefic. I request readers to kindly give their observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ vedic astrology [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:00 AM vedic astrology; varahamihira; SJC List; [vedic astrology] Chart of Pope Benedict XVI Namaste friends, > I see no-one has commented on the appointment today of the new pope. My best wishes to our catholic friends on this auspicious occasion of Pope Benedit XVI's Urbi et Orbi blessing! The time at which he seems to have accepted his election is: 2005 April 19 17:50 (TZ: 2:00 east) Vatican, Italy (41n54, 12e2) Moon: 9Le18, Asc: 12Vi11 Lagna has Jupiter and Ketu in it. This is auspicious for spreading the genuine knowledge of some parampara (tradition/lineage). The five panchanga elements correspond to five elements. Vaara (weekday) corresponds to agni tattva (fire). Thus, vaara bala (weekday strength) is important for longevity. Weekday lord is Mars. He is the exalted 8th lord. It does not suggest that this papacy will last long. More importantly, there is chara karaka parivartana!!! Mars at 27Cp45 is AK (chara atma karaka) and 27Ge12 is the AmK (chara amatya karaka). Though Mars is the AK at the beginning, he will be replaced by Saturn in due course. Such a replacement of chara karakas, especially involving AK, is considered very inauspicious. It shows a change of guard in a short time. So I am afraid that this papacy will be quite short-lived. * * * Now let us look at the chart of Pope himself. According to the Holy See website, The Holy Father was born on 1927 April 16 in Marktl, Germany. In a radio program I heard this evening, a Floridan theologian who was Holy Father's student said he was born in the morning on the Holy Saturday in 1927 and was baptised on the Easter morning. I saw that Aries and Taurus can be the rising signs and feel that Aries must be correct. I feel that lagna should be Ge in navamsa and dasamsa, Le in vimsamsa and Ta in shashtyamsa. The birthdata I am taking is: 1927 April 16 6:33:40 am ( TZ: 2:00) Marktl, Germany (12e5, 48n15) Aries rises with exalted Sun in it. This makes him a strong, authoritative and enterprising person. That Sun is in Brahmalokamsa (occupies own/exaltation/moolatrikona sign in 8 out of 10 vargas). Whether one agress with his views and teachings or not, he is undoubtedly a man of great intellect and character (assuming the chart is correct). A planet in Brahmalokamsa in a quadrant shows a person of the stature of maharshis. Navamsa has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna, showing. Pope John Paul II had kartari of Jupiter and Ketu on lagna in navamsa. Pope Benedict XVI has Jupiter and Ketu in lagna in navamsa. This shows that his dharma (navamsa) involves spreading traditional religious knowledge (Jupiter) coming in a lineage (Ketu). In dasamsa, Gemini rises. The 10th lord Jupiter is in a dasamsa ruled by Ananta (shows spiritual rise) and the 10th house has exalted 5th/12th lord Venus, who is in a dasamsa ruled by Isaana. Isaana is an auspicioud form Shiva and planets in Isaana's dasamsa show religious professions. You can see planets in Isaana's dasamsa involved with lagna or 10th house in dasamsa in the chart of Pope John Paul II and several Shankaracharyas too! The 5th lord Venus in Isaana's dasamsa in 10th house shows a passionate (rajasik - Venus) priest and religious preacher (Isaana). Lagna and 4 planets in a dasamsa ruled by Yama show a disciplinarian. Yama [Dharmaraja] is the keeper of dharma in Hinduism. Planets in Yama's dasamsa show discipline and impassionate and unemotional adherence of dharma. He is a disciplinarian and an impassionate keeper of dharma. In dwadasamsa (D-12), Ge rises. The 9th house is Aq and should be taken as lagna to see father. The 10th from Aq is Sc. It is empty and Mars owns it. His father was a police officer. As he has Sun in lagna, Shashtihayani dasa applies. During Saturn- Mars antardasa, he was called was called into the auxiliary anti- aircraft service in Germany. In D-10 (chart of profession), Saturn and Mars (two malefics) are in 6th and 3rd houses. Especially, Mars is the 6th lord in 3rd with Rahu in Yama's dasamsa. Such a Mars can show work in the military. Thus, Mars antardasa made him a military man. During 1946-1951, he studied philosophy and theology. This corresponds to Rahu's shashtihayani dasa (1946-1952). In D-24 (chart of education), the 4th house shows basic education, 9th house (6th from 4th) shows specialized education such as bachelor's degree and the 2nd house (6th from 9th) shows focussed study such as masters. Rahu is the 2nd lord in 2nd and shows master's degree in some Aquarian subjects (such as philosophy). No wonder it happened in Rahu dasa. Next dasa was that of Jupiter. Jupiter is the 12th lord in D-24 and shows giving knowledge. He is the 10th lord in D-10 and occupies 6th. Thus, he shows teaching profession. He was teaching fundamental theology for most of Jupiter dasa. In the next dasa of Sun, he became well-known thru various publications and papers. Sun is the exalted 3rd lord in D-10 and shows writing. In March 1977, he was elected as the Archbishop of Munich and Freising. In June 1977, he was proclaimed Cardinal by Pope Paul VI. Both were during Mars-Venus antardasa. Mars is in GL (ghatika lagna) in D-10. He is also in A5. While the 5th house shows the intangible abilities, its arudha pada shows a tangible expression/manifestation of abilities. Venus is the exalted 5th lord. Mars is in A5 and Venus is the 5th lord. So he had several achievements and recognitions during this antardasa!! Interestingly, it is now Mars antardasa in Venus mahadasa! Mars- Venus made him a cardinal. Venus-Mars made him a pope! He became a teacher in Jupiter mahadasa and he became a Dean of the college of cardinals in Jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa. I am reasonably comfortable with the speculative birthdata I presented in this article and shashtihayani dasa seems to work brilliantly in this case. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dear Suryaviswanadham I just looked it up - summer time began on 9th April that year according to 'Time Changes in the World'. However 'Time Changes in the World' says 1927 4/9 - 11pm Returned to S.T. Meridian of 15E00 I don't know what that means! GMT is Greenwich Mean Time and MET is Middle European Time. Western Astrologers count back to GMT for the chart time. I presume then it should be 3.15 GMT (if that time is taken). That would be 4.15 in TZ 1 in winter and 5.15 in TZ 1 during summer time?? Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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