Kumbhakarna to Partha Guru and others

April 20, 2005

Thank you very much for the philosophical explanations on Ramayana.

It has been invigorating and I need to reflect upon the philosophical imports.

I like many other ordinary Hindus have been partial to the colourful stories in

the puranas and believe they extol moral values, especially the Ramayana and

the Mahabharata. Of cos, within the Mahabharata is the Gita, which contains the

highest philosophy.

Yet, I find the stories and the colours they add, the most endearing part of

Puranas and it is these puranas which formed the basis for the bhakti movement

in India, for example Krishna's numerous exploits were the themes behind many

devotional songs.

For the wise men or the Jnanis, they hold a deeper philosophical meaning.

But I beleive the utility of the puranas is not lost if one fails to grasp

the higher meaning.

The same Krishna, who preached the Gita and who promised not to bear arms in the

war, came close to attacking Bheeshma.To me that is beautifull and not a

contradiction. it might not grant me moksha, but it is none theless uplifting.

Thank you again Partha and others.

God Bless

Ajith

Dear AjithHave you read The commentary of Gita by Yogananda Paramahansa?People

reflect themselves to the world. Those who have read the epics as stories ,

because they could not think beyond the mere arrangement of words. The power of

the epics is such that even mere reading gives lot of happiness and upliftment,

but there are few who would like to go beyond the words themselves. My father

told me that when you read Ramayana at different times of your life, one gets

an entirely different meaning. I am in the same process of learning. Why

Ramayana, i look at the game of Cricket philosophically , Maslow theory of

management philosophically. To each his own.best wishespartha--- In

vedic astrology, Ajith <ajithk_1999> wrote:> Dear Partha,>

> I respect your deep philosophical understanding. However, Ramayana and

Mahabharata have been read and

understood literally by millions of hindus and non-hindus for thousands of years

and they reflect the moral understanding of the times. > So if one were ot

accept the stories regarding Yudhistra's virtues then symbolically one has to

also accept the vices of Duriyodhana in so far as they are functional in

creating our own dharma. The same logic goes for the avatar Rama. He is

extolled for His Righteousness and sense of loyalty and Duty. So while

accepting the positive side of Rama's qualities, one cannot plead intellectual

high ground and deny that Rama's slaying of Vali was an unjust act.I doubt if

cowardice was the issue. > > Of cos, for a bhakta, his Ideal woud be seen as

perfect and rightfully should be so. For others, we still have to be cognizant

that such an act is not acceptable in today's society and something that we

would shun away from.> > That said the fact that Rama's

praises are still sung to day, only reflect the high stature in which he is held

as the Ideal Man. > > > Best Regards> > > Ajith> Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:> Dear Himanshu, Kanu, Surya, Utpal, kasturi et al> >

Yes, we have to look at our puranas from a scientific angle. The> stories were

told to make the abstract concepts simple. The stories> have powerful hints for

yoga, jyotishya etc. We have to think, think> hard as to why certain things are

said the way they are said,.> > Now some fools tell me that Sri Rama was a

coward and he killed Vali> from behind.> Sri Rama is Mahavishnu himself, and

Vali is sense Pleasures personified.> > No one(Mortals like Sugreeva) can hope

to conquer senses(Vali) by> sitting in front of TV and watching FTV and other

channels all the> day.

Physical alienation is a gross way to conquer senses, but is> atleast the

starting step.> > Sri Rama pierces through the Seven trees by a single arrow.

What are> those seven trees, they are nothing but the sapta Chakra residing in>

the human body. What is the arrow , it is nothing but the Kundalini> which

forces its way properly without hurting the body if the body is> attuned to the

divine will.> > Let us look at the parasara Hora chakra. It has all the planets

in two> signs Cancer and Leo. What does it mean? Cancer represents the IDA,>

and Leo represents the Pingala. Leo is HA, Cancer is THA. By mere> analysis of

this chart, we can find defect in the breath pattern and> the ways to correct

it.> > All these things were known to me by thinking hard. No one told me>

these things. May be a great guru told me these things in some past> life, i

dont

know.> > Best wishes> partha> > > On 4/16/05, Himanshu Mohan <himanshu@m...>

wrote:> > > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate> > Vasudevay> > Dear Partha Sarathy> >

Guru,> > Namaste.> > YEH DIL MANGE> > MORE!> > Radhekrishna!> > Himanshu> >

Mohan> > > > vedic-> > astrology,> > "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir> > >> > > Ramayan> > can be read

as a story, but also> > symbologically.> > >> > > The three> > brothers Ravana,

Kumbhakarna> > and Vibheeshana represent the> > >> > three states> > >> > >

Ravana> > represents the nidra avastha,> >

Kumbhakarna the Sushupta(Deep> > > > > sleep) and Vibheeshana the> > jaagrita

Avastha> > >> > > Planets in> > friend house are nidra> > > In own> > house

jagrita> > > In enemy house> > Sushupta> > >> > > Rama is the Sun, Sita> > the

Moon.> > > We can take the entire> > study for chakra angle also, which i> >

will deal> > > in some other post.> > >> > >> > At present we can understand

the> > story in philosophical way> > > that is> > When The atma(Rama)

identifies> > with the Body(Sita), then when> > >> > lower elements try to take

sway of> > the Nature, and succeed, then the> > > > > only rescuing factor is> >

Courage(Mars-hanuman) and>

> Wisdom( Jambavanta).> > >> > > You can> > defeat the Lower elements like> >

Ravana and Kumbhakarna through> > > > > the help of Gyana(Vibhishana),> >

Vibheeshana also represents the> > Atma> > > Gyan etc.> > >> > > More> > later>

> > best wishes> > > partha> > >> > >> > > > > vedic-> >

astrology,> > "SuryaViswanadham"> > >> > <vishwanatham@g...>

wrote:> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > > >> > Dear

Partha Guru,> > > >> > > >> > Interesting one about> > Kumbhakarna! Is it that

too many> > benefics

in> > > the> > > > 12th house or> > some bhojana/nidra avastha kind of> > combo,

which made> > > him> > > > known> > for his voracious eating/prolonged> >

sleep!> > > >> > > > Tamas is evident, but> > would be interesting to read

your> > comments.> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > Suryaviswanadham> > > > > >

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April 20, 2005

Dear Ajith,

you wrote :

[

The same Krishna, who preached the Gita and who promised not to bear arms in the

war, came close to attacking Bheeshma.To me that is beautifull and not a

contradiction. it might not grant me moksha, but it is none theless uplifting.

]

the above paragrpah is most beautiful.. it reminded me of the Lord krishna, who,

after conclusion of day's war, used to 'feed the Horses' and apply paste of

medicine to their wounds and pamper them, when everybody else including Arjun

were in deep sleep. such a kindness and care.....

The thinking of above scene brings tears in my eyes..

utpal

Ajith <ajithk_1999 .sg> wrote:

Dear Partha and others,