Basic info about Benefics and malefics.

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Manhar,

Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship based

reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as used by

Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

 

The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural nature.

Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for ownership

based reckoning.

 

Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to analyse these.

 

Now let me give some tips.

 

> 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon) OWN

> 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

 

SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to forget their

own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done the

same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their actual

nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when he owns

10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he is

employed.

So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own kendra.

So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as much.

He becomes neutral.

 

> 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

 

SanjayP: Same as above.

 

> 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th house are

> benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

 

SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of higher

education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

 

> 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> regardless of the nature of planet.

 

SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you cannot be

Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa Phala

giver.

 

The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like 9th is

the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some opinion

that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

 

 

> 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house is

> Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of that lord.

 

SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

luminance.

 

> What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> What is more powerful placement or aspect?

 

 

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay-ji?

Follow-on Question:

 

how do the planet's nature change by their position in a chart?

 

Example - What happens if the trine owner is positioned in

dussthana? or a Ashuba graha positioned in Trine?

 

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Manhar,

> Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

based

> reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

used by

> Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

>

> The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

nature.

> Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for ownership

> based reckoning.

>

> Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to analyse

these.

>

> Now let me give some tips.

>

> > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon) OWN

> > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

>

> SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to forget

their

> own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done the

> same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

actual

> nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when he

owns

> 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he is

> employed.

> So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own kendra.

> So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as much.

> He becomes neutral.

>

> > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and

Full

> > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

>

> SanjayP: Same as above.

>

> > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and

Full

> > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th house are

> > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

>

> SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

higher

> education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

>

> > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > regardless of the nature of planet.

>

> SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you cannot

be

> Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

Phala

> giver.

>

> The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like

9th is

> the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

opinion

> that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

>

>

> > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house is

> > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of that

lord.

>

> SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> luminance.

>

> > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

>

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Pranam Guru shree Sanjay Prkashji,

 

Thanks for valuable explanation.

 

If Somya or Krura Graha OWN or OCCUPY 4th 7th or 10th house They all

became Nuatral.

Since they are natural, will they not cause affliction to Other

Shubha or Ashubha Graha by aspect or any kind of association?

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Manhar,

> Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

based

> reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as used

by

> Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

>

> The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

nature.

> Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for ownership

> based reckoning.

>

> Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to analyse

these.

>

> Now let me give some tips.

>

> > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon) OWN

> > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

>

> SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to forget

their

> own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done the

> same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

actual

> nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when he

owns

> 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he is

> employed.

> So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own kendra.

> So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as much.

> He becomes neutral.

>

> > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

>

> SanjayP: Same as above.

>

> > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th house are

> > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

>

> SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

higher

> education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

>

> > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > regardless of the nature of planet.

>

> SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you cannot

be

> Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa Phala

> giver.

>

> The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like 9th

is

> the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

opinion

> that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

>

>

> > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house is

> > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of that

lord.

>

> SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> luminance.

>

> > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

>

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Sudarshan,

 

> how do the planet's nature change by their position in a chart?

>

> Example - What happens if the trine owner is positioned in

> dussthana?

 

Trinal lords are very Shubha graha, They are best placed in Quadrants

or should have some yoga with the Quadrant lord to benefit the native.

If two trinal lords are associated with a quandrant then it's even

better. Thus you should keep adding and subtracting the good bad and

neutral results and give readings.

 

>or a Ashuba graha positioned in Trine?

 

Ashubha Graha who are Trishadaaya(tri(3),shad(6),aaya(11)) are best

defeated. They should best be defeated in another Dushtaana(6,8,12) or

Trishaadaya places. This is the basis of Vipareeta Raaja Yoga.

So now decide what will happen if they are in a Trine?

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

>

>

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Manhar,

> > Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

> based

> > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

> used by

> > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> >

> > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

> nature.

> > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for ownership

> > based reckoning.

> >

> > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to analyse

> these.

> >

> > Now let me give some tips.

> >

> > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon) OWN

> > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> >

> > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to forget

> their

> > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done the

> > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

> actual

> > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when he

> owns

> > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he is

> > employed.

> > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own kendra.

> > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as much.

> > He becomes neutral.

> >

> > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and

> Full

> > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> >

> > SanjayP: Same as above.

> >

> > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and

> Full

> > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th house are

> > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> >

> > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

> higher

> > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> >

> > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> >

> > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you cannot

> be

> > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

> Phala

> > giver.

> >

> > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like

> 9th is

> > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> opinion

> > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> >

> >

> > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house is

> > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of that

> lord.

> >

> > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> > luminance.

> >

> > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> >

> >

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Manhar,

 

> Pranam Guru shree Sanjay Prkashji,

 

Just call me Sanjay, I dont have a Prakash in the end of my name ,

 

> Thanks for valuable explanation.

>

> If Somya or Krura Graha OWN or OCCUPY 4th 7th or 10th house They all

> became Nuatral.

> Since they are natural, will they not cause affliction to Other

> Shubha or Ashubha Graha by aspect or any kind of association?

 

I think you made a typing mistake between words Neutral and Natural.

 

Neutral means 'Sama or Madhya' in Sanskrit

Natural means 'Naisargika'

 

Kendra Lords dont do damage or Good by them self. Most planet will own

a houses (other that Sun and Moon , Rahu and Ketu). When they own two

houses then you have to judge based on both ownership.

Like for say Leo lagna Saturn owns 7th and 6th.

due to ownership of 7th he is neutral and ownership of 6th he is bad

and gives Ashuba results. So combining both Neutral and Ashuba results

we should say Saturn will give Ashuba or bad results.

Where as Mars owning 4th he has to forget his own malefic nature but

owning 9th he is Shubha results giver. So overall he is very Shubha.

And a YogaKaaraka, The signifier for great Yoga.

 

Warm regards

Sanjay P.

 

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Manhar,

> > Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

> based

> > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as used

> by

> > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> >

> > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

> nature.

> > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for ownership

> > based reckoning.

> >

> > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to analyse

> these.

> >

> > Now let me give some tips.

> >

> > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon) OWN

> > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> >

> > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to forget

> their

> > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done the

> > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

> actual

> > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when he

> owns

> > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he is

> > employed.

> > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own kendra.

> > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as much.

> > He becomes neutral.

> >

> > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> >

> > SanjayP: Same as above.

> >

> > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE and Full

> > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th house are

> > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> >

> > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

> higher

> > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> >

> > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> >

> > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you cannot

> be

> > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa Phala

> > giver.

> >

> > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like 9th

> is

> > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> opinion

> > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> >

> >

> > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house is

> > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of that

> lord.

> >

> > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> > luminance.

> >

> > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> >

> >

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay-ji

 

I respectfully thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

 

I am still confused about the effects of Trinal lord or Quadrant

lord positioned in a Dussthana. One of the examples I had long ago

enquired about here was about Raja Yoga in Dusthana (8th house). IN

this case the native was Cancer Lagna having Lagna Lord Moon and

Yogakaraka Mars in his 8th house.

 

Yes, if Shubha grahas are located in a Quadrant the native

benefits. But if the Shubha graha is located in 6/8 or 12 do they

give malefic effects? Neutral effects? or do they give the

positive aspects of what the house signifies. For intance, in the

above example, the Raja Yoga in 8th house can mean the native will

inherit somthing that he will rule over (it could be that he will

inherit his father's business etc.) However a powerful 8th house on

the negative side could mean his logevity is affected and/or the

native will have prolonged illnesses etc.?

 

With Ashuba grahas it is more straight forward I guess -- if they

are in dussthanas they bring good results by spoling the bad

significations of the house. If the Ashuba Graha is in Trinal or

Quadrant house, they spoil the good effects of that house.

 

So the question I have is more on the side of Shuba Grahas and their

behaviour in a Dus-sthana.

 

Sudarshan

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Sudarshan,

>

> > how do the planet's nature change by their position in a chart?

> >

> > Example - What happens if the trine owner is positioned in

> > dussthana?

>

> Trinal lords are very Shubha graha, They are best placed in

Quadrants

> or should have some yoga with the Quadrant lord to benefit the

native.

> If two trinal lords are associated with a quandrant then it's even

> better. Thus you should keep adding and subtracting the good bad

and

> neutral results and give readings.

>

> >or a Ashuba graha positioned in Trine?

>

> Ashubha Graha who are Trishadaaya(tri(3),shad(6),aaya(11)) are best

> defeated. They should best be defeated in another Dushtaana

(6,8,12) or

> Trishaadaya places. This is the basis of Vipareeta Raaja Yoga.

> So now decide what will happen if they are in a Trine?

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Manhar,

> > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between

lordship

> > based

> > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

> > used by

> > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > >

> > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for

natural

> > nature.

> > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

ownership

> > > based reckoning.

> > >

> > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to

analyse

> > these.

> > >

> > > Now let me give some tips.

> > >

> > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

Moon) OWN

> > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

forget

> > their

> > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done

the

> > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show

their

> > actual

> > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when

he

> > owns

> > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when

he is

> > > employed.

> > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

kendra.

> > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as

much.

> > > He becomes neutral.

> > >

> > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

and

> > Full

> > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > >

> > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

Waning

> > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

and

> > Full

> > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th

house are

> > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit

of

> > higher

> > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> > >

> > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are

Malefic

> > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who

is

> > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you

cannot

> > be

> > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

> > Phala

> > > giver.

> > >

> > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect.

Like

> > 9th is

> > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> > opinion

> > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > >

> > >

> > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that

house is

> > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of

that

> > lord.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference

and

> > > luminance.

> > >

> > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Sudharshan and Friends,

 

I think problem in understanding is we jump steps.

 

Without understanding lordships you cannot jump to Yoga or union of

planets with other planets/rashi/Bhaava(House).

 

First try to understand lordships for each lagna and understand why a

planet becomes Shubha(auspicious) phala(fruit) giver.

 

Then you take the next step in understanding yoga.

 

Basic Steps

 

1. Understand Grahas. (Read and understand 108 Names of each graha)

 

2. Understand Rashi and their Nature. (Understand Creation of Rashi,

12 Adityas etc)

 

3. Understand House and Lordships. Group them in Category.

12 Houses can be grouped as

 

a) Trines (Most Auspicious)

 

b) Trishadaaya (most InAuspicious) ,3,6,11

 

c) 2 and 12 are Neutral. They take the nature of the planet or house

they associate with. Like a Person with lots of money is only decided

by good or bad by his associations on whom he spends. Like a Rich Brat

could spend on drugs and vices or if he is with learned people (9etc)

he spends on learning and gather very good fortune.

 

d) 8th is very bad unless associated with Lagna Lord. Paraashara says

of all the things to loose, loss of Bhagya is worst. i.e 12th from

9th.

 

Spend some time on these basics for each Lagna and Planet.

Working on Basics and then take next step. Foundations should be strong.

 

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sudarshan"

<sudarshan_ji> wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjay-ji

>

> I respectfully thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

>

> I am still confused about the effects of Trinal lord or Quadrant

> lord positioned in a Dussthana. One of the examples I had long ago

> enquired about here was about Raja Yoga in Dusthana (8th house). IN

> this case the native was Cancer Lagna having Lagna Lord Moon and

> Yogakaraka Mars in his 8th house.

>

> Yes, if Shubha grahas are located in a Quadrant the native

> benefits. But if the Shubha graha is located in 6/8 or 12 do they

> give malefic effects? Neutral effects? or do they give the

> positive aspects of what the house signifies. For intance, in the

> above example, the Raja Yoga in 8th house can mean the native will

> inherit somthing that he will rule over (it could be that he will

> inherit his father's business etc.) However a powerful 8th house on

> the negative side could mean his logevity is affected and/or the

> native will have prolonged illnesses etc.?

>

> With Ashuba grahas it is more straight forward I guess -- if they

> are in dussthanas they bring good results by spoling the bad

> significations of the house. If the Ashuba Graha is in Trinal or

> Quadrant house, they spoil the good effects of that house.

>

> So the question I have is more on the side of Shuba Grahas and their

> behaviour in a Dus-sthana.

>

> Sudarshan

>

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Sudarshan,

> >

> > > how do the planet's nature change by their position in a chart?

> > >

> > > Example - What happens if the trine owner is positioned in

> > > dussthana?

> >

> > Trinal lords are very Shubha graha, They are best placed in

> Quadrants

> > or should have some yoga with the Quadrant lord to benefit the

> native.

> > If two trinal lords are associated with a quandrant then it's even

> > better. Thus you should keep adding and subtracting the good bad

> and

> > neutral results and give readings.

> >

> > >or a Ashuba graha positioned in Trine?

> >

> > Ashubha Graha who are Trishadaaya(tri(3),shad(6),aaya(11)) are best

> > defeated. They should best be defeated in another Dushtaana

> (6,8,12) or

> > Trishaadaya places. This is the basis of Vipareeta Raaja Yoga.

> > So now decide what will happen if they are in a Trine?

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Manhar,

> > > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between

> lordship

> > > based

> > > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

> > > used by

> > > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > > >

> > > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for

> natural

> > > nature.

> > > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

> ownership

> > > > based reckoning.

> > > >

> > > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to

> analyse

> > > these.

> > > >

> > > > Now let me give some tips.

> > > >

> > > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> Moon) OWN

> > > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

> forget

> > > their

> > > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done

> the

> > > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show

> their

> > > actual

> > > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when

> he

> > > owns

> > > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when

> he is

> > > > employed.

> > > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

> kendra.

> > > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as

> much.

> > > > He becomes neutral.

> > > >

> > > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> and

> > > Full

> > > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > > >

> > > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

> Waning

> > > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> and

> > > Full

> > > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th

> house are

> > > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit

> of

> > > higher

> > > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are

> Malefic

> > > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who

> is

> > > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you

> cannot

> > > be

> > > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

> > > Phala

> > > > giver.

> > > >

> > > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect.

> Like

> > > 9th is

> > > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> > > opinion

> > > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that

> house is

> > > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of

> that

> > > lord.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference

> and

> > > > luminance.

> > > >

> > > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay-ji

 

Very valuable suggestion indeed. Yes You are right, I was trying to

jump steps and in turn got confused. Based on your suggestion,

whats a good place to start - I am looking for material related to

Basic steps 1 and 2.

 

Sudarshan

 

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Sudharshan and Friends,

>

> I think problem in understanding is we jump steps.

>

> Without understanding lordships you cannot jump to Yoga or union of

> planets with other planets/rashi/Bhaava(House).

>

> First try to understand lordships for each lagna and understand

why a

> planet becomes Shubha(auspicious) phala(fruit) giver.

>

> Then you take the next step in understanding yoga.

>

> Basic Steps

>

> 1. Understand Grahas. (Read and understand 108 Names of each graha)

>

> 2. Understand Rashi and their Nature. (Understand Creation of

Rashi,

> 12 Adityas etc)

>

> 3. Understand House and Lordships. Group them in Category.

> 12 Houses can be grouped as

>

> a) Trines (Most Auspicious)

>

> b) Trishadaaya (most InAuspicious) ,3,6,11

>

> c) 2 and 12 are Neutral. They take the nature of the planet or

house

> they associate with. Like a Person with lots of money is only

decided

> by good or bad by his associations on whom he spends. Like a Rich

Brat

> could spend on drugs and vices or if he is with learned people

(9etc)

> he spends on learning and gather very good fortune.

>

> d) 8th is very bad unless associated with Lagna Lord. Paraashara

says

> of all the things to loose, loss of Bhagya is worst. i.e 12th

from

> 9th.

>

> Spend some time on these basics for each Lagna and Planet.

> Working on Basics and then take next step. Foundations should be

strong.

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sudarshan"

> <sudarshan_ji> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sanjay-ji

> >

> > I respectfully thank you for sharing your knowledge and

experience.

> >

> > I am still confused about the effects of Trinal lord or Quadrant

> > lord positioned in a Dussthana. One of the examples I had long

ago

> > enquired about here was about Raja Yoga in Dusthana (8th

house). IN

> > this case the native was Cancer Lagna having Lagna Lord Moon and

> > Yogakaraka Mars in his 8th house.

> >

> > Yes, if Shubha grahas are located in a Quadrant the native

> > benefits. But if the Shubha graha is located in 6/8 or 12 do

they

> > give malefic effects? Neutral effects? or do they give the

> > positive aspects of what the house signifies. For intance, in

the

> > above example, the Raja Yoga in 8th house can mean the native

will

> > inherit somthing that he will rule over (it could be that he

will

> > inherit his father's business etc.) However a powerful 8th

house on

> > the negative side could mean his logevity is affected and/or the

> > native will have prolonged illnesses etc.?

> >

> > With Ashuba grahas it is more straight forward I guess -- if

they

> > are in dussthanas they bring good results by spoling the bad

> > significations of the house. If the Ashuba Graha is in Trinal

or

> > Quadrant house, they spoil the good effects of that house.

> >

> > So the question I have is more on the side of Shuba Grahas and

their

> > behaviour in a Dus-sthana.

> >

> > Sudarshan

> >

> > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Sudarshan,

> > >

> > > > how do the planet's nature change by their position in a

chart?

> > > >

> > > > Example - What happens if the trine owner is positioned in

> > > > dussthana?

> > >

> > > Trinal lords are very Shubha graha, They are best placed in

> > Quadrants

> > > or should have some yoga with the Quadrant lord to benefit the

> > native.

> > > If two trinal lords are associated with a quandrant then it's

even

> > > better. Thus you should keep adding and subtracting the good

bad

> > and

> > > neutral results and give readings.

> > >

> > > >or a Ashuba graha positioned in Trine?

> > >

> > > Ashubha Graha who are Trishadaaya(tri(3),shad(6),aaya(11)) are

best

> > > defeated. They should best be defeated in another Dushtaana

> > (6,8,12) or

> > > Trishaadaya places. This is the basis of Vipareeta Raaja Yoga.

> > > So now decide what will happen if they are in a Trine?

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > Dear Manhar,

> > > > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between

> > lordship

> > > > based

> > > > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the

convention as

> > > > used by

> > > > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for

> > natural

> > > > nature.

> > > > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

> > ownership

> > > > > based reckoning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to

> > analyse

> > > > these.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let me give some tips.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning

> > Moon) OWN

> > > > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become

Neutral.

> > > > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

> > forget

> > > > their

> > > > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be

done

> > the

> > > > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show

> > their

> > > > actual

> > > > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work

when

> > he

> > > > owns

> > > > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody

when

> > he is

> > > > > employed.

> > > > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

> > kendra.

> > > > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout

as

> > much.

> > > > > He becomes neutral.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> > and

> > > > Full

> > > > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

> > Waning

> > > > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> > and

> > > > Full

> > > > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th

> > house are

> > > > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this,

When a

> > > > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is

with

> > > > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in

pursuit

> > of

> > > > higher

> > > > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become

Shubha.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are

> > Malefic

> > > > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person

who

> > is

> > > > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly

looking for

> > > > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to

you

> > cannot

> > > > be

> > > > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become

Paapa

> > > > Phala

> > > > > giver.

> > > > >

> > > > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect.

> > Like

> > > > 9th is

> > > > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver.

Some

> > > > opinion

> > > > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that

> > house is

> > > > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature

of

> > that

> > > > lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or

circumference

> > and

> > > > > luminance.

> > > > >

> > > > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Guru Shree Sanjayji,

Your explanation is great and very valuable to myself and other

readers who are student of Vedic astrology.

 

You have explained determination of Shubh – Ashubh nature of planet

by OWENERSHIP very well.

Does PLACEMENT of the planet play any role to change total nature

(Shubha became Ashubha or Ashubha became Shubha) of the planet?

Kindly give some examples.

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Manhar,

>

> > Pranam Guru shree Sanjay Prkashji,

>

> Just call me Sanjay, I dont have a Prakash in the end of my name ,

>

> > Thanks for valuable explanation.

> >

> > If Somya or Krura Graha OWN or OCCUPY 4th 7th or 10th house They

all

> > became Nuatral.

> > Since they are natural, will they not cause affliction to Other

> > Shubha or Ashubha Graha by aspect or any kind of association?

>

> I think you made a typing mistake between words Neutral and Natural.

>

> Neutral means 'Sama or Madhya' in Sanskrit

> Natural means 'Naisargika'

>

> Kendra Lords dont do damage or Good by them self. Most planet will

own

> a houses (other that Sun and Moon , Rahu and Ketu). When they own

two

> houses then you have to judge based on both ownership.

> Like for say Leo lagna Saturn owns 7th and 6th.

> due to ownership of 7th he is neutral and ownership of 6th he is bad

> and gives Ashuba results. So combining both Neutral and Ashuba

results

> we should say Saturn will give Ashuba or bad results.

> Where as Mars owning 4th he has to forget his own malefic nature but

> owning 9th he is Shubha results giver. So overall he is very Shubha.

> And a YogaKaaraka, The signifier for great Yoga.

>

> Warm regards

> Sanjay P.

>

> > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Manhar,

> > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

> > based

> > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

used

> > by

> > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > >

> > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

> > nature.

> > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

ownership

> > > based reckoning.

> > >

> > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to

analyse

> > these.

> > >

> > > Now let me give some tips.

> > >

> > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon)

OWN

> > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

forget

> > their

> > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done

the

> > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

> > actual

> > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when

he

> > owns

> > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he

is

> > > employed.

> > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

kendra.

> > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as

much.

> > > He becomes neutral.

> > >

> > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

and Full

> > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > >

> > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

Waning

> > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

and Full

> > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th

house are

> > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

> > higher

> > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> > >

> > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you

cannot

> > be

> > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

Phala

> > > giver.

> > >

> > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like

9th

> > is

> > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> > opinion

> > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > >

> > >

> > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house

is

> > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of

that

> > lord.

> > >

> > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> > > luminance.

> > >

> > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Manhar,

 

A Shubha Planet always remains Shubha it will try it's level best to

give good results. If he is in advesities then it just becomes little

difficult for him to give. Depending on stregnth etc he will give.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P.

 

 

vedic astrology, "MANHAR PATEL"

<manharde398> wrote:

>

> Guru Shree Sanjayji,

> Your explanation is great and very valuable to myself and other

> readers who are student of Vedic astrology.

>

> You have explained determination of Shubh � Ashubh nature of planet

> by OWENERSHIP very well.

> Does PLACEMENT of the planet play any role to change total nature

> (Shubha became Ashubha or Ashubha became Shubha) of the planet?

> Kindly give some examples.

>

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Manhar,

> >

> > > Pranam Guru shree Sanjay Prkashji,

> >

> > Just call me Sanjay, I dont have a Prakash in the end of my name ,

> >

> > > Thanks for valuable explanation.

> > >

> > > If Somya or Krura Graha OWN or OCCUPY 4th 7th or 10th house They

> all

> > > became Nuatral.

> > > Since they are natural, will they not cause affliction to Other

> > > Shubha or Ashubha Graha by aspect or any kind of association?

> >

> > I think you made a typing mistake between words Neutral and Natural.

> >

> > Neutral means 'Sama or Madhya' in Sanskrit

> > Natural means 'Naisargika'

> >

> > Kendra Lords dont do damage or Good by them self. Most planet will

> own

> > a houses (other that Sun and Moon , Rahu and Ketu). When they own

> two

> > houses then you have to judge based on both ownership.

> > Like for say Leo lagna Saturn owns 7th and 6th.

> > due to ownership of 7th he is neutral and ownership of 6th he is bad

> > and gives Ashuba results. So combining both Neutral and Ashuba

> results

> > we should say Saturn will give Ashuba or bad results.

> > Where as Mars owning 4th he has to forget his own malefic nature but

> > owning 9th he is Shubha results giver. So overall he is very Shubha.

> > And a YogaKaaraka, The signifier for great Yoga.

> >

> > Warm regards

> > Sanjay P.

> >

> > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Manhar,

> > > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between lordship

> > > based

> > > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the convention as

> used

> > > by

> > > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > > >

> > > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for natural

> > > nature.

> > > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

> ownership

> > > > based reckoning.

> > > >

> > > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules to

> analyse

> > > these.

> > > >

> > > > Now let me give some tips.

> > > >

> > > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and Waning Moon)

> OWN

> > > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become Neutral.

> > > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

> forget

> > > their

> > > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be done

> the

> > > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show their

> > > actual

> > > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work when

> he

> > > owns

> > > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody when he

> is

> > > > employed.

> > > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

> kendra.

> > > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout as

> much.

> > > > He becomes neutral.

> > > >

> > > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> and Full

> > > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > > >

> > > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

> Waning

> > > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME, JU, VE

> and Full

> > > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of 5th

> house are

> > > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this, When a

> > > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same is with

> > > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in pursuit of

> > > higher

> > > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are Malefic

> > > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person who is

> > > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly looking for

> > > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to you

> cannot

> > > be

> > > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become Paapa

> Phala

> > > > giver.

> > > >

> > > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the effect. Like

> 9th

> > > is

> > > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver. Some

> > > opinion

> > > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of that house

> is

> > > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature of

> that

> > > lord.

> > > >

> > > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or circumference and

> > > > luminance.

> > > >

> > > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

vedic astrology, "MANHAR PATEL"

<manharde398> wrote:

>

> Guru Shree Sanjayji,

> Pranam,

> Could you please check following chart. Is it correct?

>

> Lagna Benefic Neutral Malefic

> 1. Mesha JU, SU, MA- VE, MO - SA, ME

> 2. Vrishabha ME, SA - VE, SU, MA - MO, JU

> 3. Mithun ME, VE, SA - JU, MO - SU, MA

> 4. Kataka MO, MA, JU - SA, SU - VE, ME

> 5. Simha SU,JU,MA - MO - VE, SA, ME

> 6. Kanya ME, SA, VE - JU, SU- MA, MO

> 7. Thula VE, SA ME - MA, MO - SU, JU

> 8. Vrischika MA, JU, MO - VE, SU - SA, ME

> 9. Dhanus JU, MA, SU - ME,MO - VE, SA

> 10. Makara ME, VE, SA - MO, SU - MA, JU

> 11. Kumbha VE, ME, SA - SU - JU, MO, MA

> 12. Meena MA, MO, JU - ME - SA, SU, VE

>

>

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Manhar,

> >

> > A Shubha Planet always remains Shubha it will try it's level

best

> to

> > give good results. If he is in advesities then it just becomes

> little

> > difficult for him to give. Depending on stregnth etc he will give.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "MANHAR PATEL"

> > <manharde398> wrote:

> > >

> > > Guru Shree Sanjayji,

> > > Your explanation is great and very valuable to myself and other

> > > readers who are student of Vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > You have explained determination of Shubh � Ashubh nature

of

> planet

> > > by OWENERSHIP very well.

> > > Does PLACEMENT of the planet play any role to change total

nature

> > > (Shubha became Ashubha or Ashubha became Shubha) of the planet?

> > > Kindly give some examples.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manhar,

> > > >

> > > > > Pranam Guru shree Sanjay Prkashji,

> > > >

> > > > Just call me Sanjay, I dont have a Prakash in the end of my

> name ,

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks for valuable explanation.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Somya or Krura Graha OWN or OCCUPY 4th 7th or 10th

house

> They

> > > all

> > > > > became Nuatral.

> > > > > Since they are natural, will they not cause affliction to

> Other

> > > > > Shubha or Ashubha Graha by aspect or any kind of

association?

> > > >

> > > > I think you made a typing mistake between words Neutral and

> Natural.

> > > >

> > > > Neutral means 'Sama or Madhya' in Sanskrit

> > > > Natural means 'Naisargika'

> > > >

> > > > Kendra Lords dont do damage or Good by them self. Most planet

> will

> > > own

> > > > a houses (other that Sun and Moon , Rahu and Ketu). When they

> own

> > > two

> > > > houses then you have to judge based on both ownership.

> > > > Like for say Leo lagna Saturn owns 7th and 6th.

> > > > due to ownership of 7th he is neutral and ownership of 6th he

> is bad

> > > > and gives Ashuba results. So combining both Neutral and

Ashuba

> > > results

> > > > we should say Saturn will give Ashuba or bad results.

> > > > Where as Mars owning 4th he has to forget his own malefic

> nature but

> > > > owning 9th he is Shubha results giver. So overall he is very

> Shubha.

> > > > And a YogaKaaraka, The signifier for great Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards

> > > > Sanjay P.

> > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > Dear Manhar,

> > > > > > Let's use some convention for differentiating between

> lordship

> > > > > based

> > > > > > reckoning versus Natural. For now I will use the

convention

> as

> > > used

> > > > > by

> > > > > > Sri O.P Verma in his translation of Laghu Parasari.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Lets call Malefics(Kroora) and benefics(Saumya) for

> natural

> > > > > nature.

> > > > > > Auspicious(Shubha) and InAuspicious(Ashubha or Paapa) for

> > > ownership

> > > > > > based reckoning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Laghu Parasari (Best traslated by OP Verma) gives rules

to

> > > analyse

> > > > > these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let me give some tips.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA, MA and

Waning Moon)

> > > OWN

> > > > > > > 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SanjayP: No they do not become benefics, They become

> Neutral.

> > > > > > Benefics or Malefics when they own quadrants They have to

> > > forget

> > > > > their

> > > > > > own nature and do the Job. Like 10th house Karma is to be

> done

> > > the

> > > > > > same way whether it's Jupiter or Saturn. They cannot show

> their

> > > > > actual

> > > > > > nature when the own Kendra. Like Saturn cannot shun work

> when

> > > he

> > > > > owns

> > > > > > 10th house. Or Jupiter cannot start giving to everybody

> when he

> > > is

> > > > > > employed.

> > > > > > So both benefics and neutral become neutral when they own

> > > kendra.

> > > > > > So When Jupiter owns a kendra dont expect him to giveout

as

> > > much.

> > > > > > He becomes neutral.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME,

JU, VE

> > > and Full

> > > > > > > MO) OWN 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SanjayP: Same as above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Similarly, Naturally malefic planet (SU, SA,

MA and

> > > Waning

> > > > > > > Moon) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became benefic.

> > > > > > > 4. Naturally benefic planet (well associated ME,

JU, VE

> > > and Full

> > > > > > > MO) OCCUPIES 4th 7th or 10th house it became malefic.

> > > > > > > 5. Lord of Lagna, Lord of 9th house and Lord of

5th

> > > house are

> > > > > > > benefic regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SanjayP: All planets when they own a Trikona becomes a

> > > > > > Shubha(Auspicious) Graha for the native. It's like this,

> When a

> > > > > > naturally bad person is educated he becomes good. Same

is

> with

> > > > > > Trikona. When a planet owns trikona the planet is in

> pursuit of

> > > > > higher

> > > > > > education etc. So both Kroora and Saumya planets become

> Shubha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6. Lord of 11th, Lord of 6th and Lord of 3rd are

Malefic

> > > > > > > regardless of the nature of planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SanjayP: Yes, For Trishadaaya(3,6,11), Just like a person

> who is

> > > > > > constantly looking for gains and income, constantly

looking

> for

> > > > > > opportunity to fight and show prowess or be inimical to

you

> > > cannot

> > > > > be

> > > > > > Shubha to you. Let it be even a Jupiter then they become

> Paapa

> > > Phala

> > > > > > giver.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The higher the house number more pronounced is the

effect.

> Like

> > > 9th

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the best Shubha Graha and 11 the worst Paapa Phala giver.

> Some

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > that Maybe, Benefics can be less harmful,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7. Rahu and Ketu occupy any house and Lord of

that house

> > > is

> > > > > > > Malefic or Benefic; Rahu and Ketu will adopt the nature

> of

> > > that

> > > > > lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SanjayP: Yes, Rahu & Ketu dont have a Bimba or

> circumference and

> > > > > > luminance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the definition of well-associated Mercury?

> > > > > > > When planet is combust it became weaker Not malefic?

> > > > > > > Debilitated Malefic is weaker and do less harm?

> > > > > > > Exalted Malefic is stronger and do more harm?

> > > > > > > What is more powerful placement or aspect?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat