Saturn-Moon conjunction

April 21, 2005

Rani,

See Mer-Moon in 7th of your Navamsa which makes it impossible to remain

unmarried till such an age. In my opinion, a sacramental marriage should be

there. Add 72 seconds to your TOB to get Aqu Navamsa. It justifies and I am

100% sure abou this rectification. Then, it seems to be a no marriage horoscope

though differentiating a 'no marriage' from a 'badly delayed' one is difficult.

At present you are under Cap chara dasa which contains AK and GK and total

three natural malefics which is not good. Health troubles and relationship

problems may surface among others and precaution is required. However, it will

give you success / recognition through writing as third from it contains Jup

and Moon. In Vimshottari, you are in Ketu dasa which too is not good.

If possible, give me your life trends in brief for my further studies. Also

answer following questions:

1) How was your Mercury dasa (1985-2002) for profession, finances etc ?

2) Write important things about your mother.

3) Write about your relationships during Mer dasa (1985-2002) as Mer is 12th

lord aspecting the 12th ?

4) You were under Pisces Chara dasa from Jan 1992 to Jan 2004. During this

period did you have a well-placed boyfriend from your work place ? Any

pregnancy during the period ?

You can skip uncomfortable questions and reply to me privately.

Praveen kumar (Mumbai)

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21, 04, 2005 10:58 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Saturn-Moon conjunction

souravji, here's my info: january 19, 1964. 18:33pm IST. 22N32, 88E22. you have

very accurately assessed me! I am told I am a happy BUTmoody, introspective

person. I need my space, as they say. I have also had a difficult time settling

into a profession. I seem tohave some writing talent and just got an agent for a

book I amwriting. however, at times, I suffer from great and pervasiveinsecurity

and I can tell it holds me back from achieving what Iperhaps could. I feel (and

have always felt) some sense of having'chains around me'. from what little I

know, I do seem to have a kalsarpa yoga (12th-6th),and mercury is aspected by

rahu (opposition). I have heard that thisis bad for marriage as well. also, I

might be manglik as well! see, Ihave all the bad things. ;)my father is a

scholarly man, yes. he is an engineer by profession,but he is steeped in the

shastras. thank you for your incisive post based on so very little! rani. ---

In vedic astrology, "Sourav Chowdhury"<sourav12@h...> wrote:> >

> ||Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Rani-ji,> Namaskar. You have revealed very

little information> about your chart. Sa in own sign in the 7H gives a Sasa

Mahapurusa> yoga which means "wandering leader of free spirit". Does it apply

to> you? Your Lagna Lord is in the 9H, shows stronger sense of> independance.

Jupiter is protecting your Lagna Lord and is a benefic> being the 9L. It also

forms a very good Gajakesari yoga. Your father> is probably a scholarly

person.> > 7L in the 7H will not deny marriage (unless other indications in

the> chart verify that) and can often give late marriage especially> Saturn

being that Lord. Lord of the 7H shows your husband, who will> probably be older

than you by several years and can also show> similar tendencies. However being

8L also which is Sa's> moolatrikona, Sa can cause some disruptions in sukha

(aspect on the> 4H) and some melancholic mood especially in the Krishna

Paksha.> Sa's drishti on Moon gives mood swings.> > Ju is 9L and aspects 5H and

1st house can give a happy and jovial> nature. Jupiter beings the naisargika

putra karaka aspecting the 5H> can also give children. However, planets in the

5H and Lord of the> 5H (Ma and Ke) will decide the final outcome. If Ma is

strong, being> a yogakaraka, can give children, unless other opposing

indications> prevail.> > Sa as AK and Navamsa Lord in the 9H. Being AK and D-9

LL makes Sa a> strong component in your chart. Sa as AK shows that you cannot>

(should not) give/cause sorrow to others and must absorbs others'> sorrow. Sa

in the 9H with Mokshakaraka Ke shows a very pious,> wealthy and resourceful

person. However, Sa/Ke together in the trine> doesn't automatically show a

Tapaswini, for that Venus's position> needs to be taken into account.> > So

much can be said from your information.> > Regards,> > Sourav> >

=================================================================> > --- In

vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > <raindancer_1998>

wrote:> > > > I don't know if influence of Jupiter is always ameliorating. I

have> > Jupiter and Moon in the ninth house in Pisces. Saturn (7th Lord)> >

aspects them both from the seventh. > > > > I have not gotten married at all.

I've come *very* close twice, and> > each time I have suffered a lack of

emotion for the said man at the> > end and I think, in once instance, it was

both ways. after weighing> > everything, all the pros and the cons, I pulled

out. this has > afforded> > my parents MUCH sorrow. and myself as well. but in

the end, I have> > felt no regret as I do believe that these marriages would

have been> > mistakes. > > > > but I cannot believe that I am still unmarried.

I always thought > I'd> > be married by about 30. I look very young (about 26

or so, I hear) > so> > I still get plenty of 'options'. but somehow, my

experience has > soured> > me and makes me think I am "fated" to be alone. > >

> > the "sanyas" situation is also interesting to me because I also > have> >

saturn and ketu in the ninth house in my navamsa. saturn is my> > atmakaraka,

AND my navamsa lord, on top of ruling my rashi 7th and> > being in the rashi

7th. I guess saturn is the overall theme in my> > chart. it's denied me

happiness. > > > > and yet, I *am* social. I like being with people and being

around > men.> > but I am also a loner. > > > > also, sanjayji, about Punarbhu.

when you say that it tends people > to> > marry older people and later. could

that also mean an older person> > with that yoga could marry an younger person?

something in the > meaning> > of that word that you outlined -- renewal, etc --

makes me think > so.> > interesting. > > > > thank you, all.> > > > rani. > > >

> vedic astrology, "ennaye" <ennaye> > wrote:> > > >

> > If the Saturn -Moon conjunction receives the aspect of a benefic > > > like

Jupiter the effects will be different.> > > regards,> > > Neena> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran > > > <astroimran> wrote:>

> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > I have also observed in few cases that

Sat+Moon> > > > combination caused unexpected delay in marriage or> > > >

resulted in long-held engagement etc.> > > > > > > > I think, the theory of

Punarphoo is not limited to> > > > this issue only. If someone know then please

write on> > > > it.> > > > > > > > Moreover, if Moon is solely aspected by

Saturn then> > > > this makes one malencholic and superstitious. If> > > >

aspect/association of natural benefics on Moon, is> > > > also present then

this makes one intelligent, sober> > > > and fondness of ancient knowledge.> >

> > > > > > M.Imran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > > > > > Shani and

chadra closely conjunct is called> > > > > punrabhu( some call it> > > > >

punarafu) yoga. This yoga can make a person suddenly> > > > > pull out of> > >

> > relationship. Some cases are cited where the wedding> > > > > invitations

are> > > > > mailed verything is ready to go and suddenly the> > > > > person

chages his> > > > > mind or some event makes the event not happen> > > > > > >

> > > ...> > > > > > > > > > On 4/19/05, raindancer_1998> > > > >

<raindancer_1998> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > I have also read that this

yoga (saturn-moon> > > > > aspect) can result in> > > > > > "probhinu yoga"

which, esp in a woman's chart, can> > > > > result in repeated> > > > > >

breaking of marriage prospects if one of the> > > > > planets rule or are in> >

> > > > the 7th house. do the gurus on this list have any> > > > > comments

about this?> > > > > > I have this in my chart (sani in makar, 7th house,> > >

> > chandra in meena,> > > > > > 9th house). I have had that happen twice> > >

> > (prospective marriage broken> > > > > > off). can this yoga be broken or

managed by any> > > > > means? > > > > > > > > > > > > rani.> > > > > > > > > >

> > vedic astrology,> > > > > "grimlion59"

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have a Saturn-Moon conjunction in my 9th house> > > > > Dhanus.I was told > > >

> > > > that the conjunction (although Saturn is> > > > > retrograde)

constitutes a > > > > > > > partial Sani-Chandra yoga. Isnt that true of a> > >

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See 7th lord in the 6th for trouble in marriage. Your Sun dasa will be good for

material success though some mild but lingering health trouble is likely.

Please let me know the basic trends of / problems in your father's life for my studies.

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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21, 04, 2005 2:03 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn-Moon conjunction

Namaste Praveen ji,

With due respects - here are my details:

DOB: July 22nd, 1973

TOB: 12.35 p.m.

POB: New Delhi

Regards,

Dimple

Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Dimple,

Please give your data, always. It helps us form a holistic picture. A strong

aspect of Saturn on moon itself is sufficient to produce melancholy, ascetic

tendencies, detachment from things worldly etc.

Sudarshan and you both are requested to post their birth data.

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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21, 04, 2005 3:17 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn-Moon conjunction

Hello everyone,

I read this email and thought about my chart. I have saturn (in mithuna in 9th

house) aspecting chandra-mangal (in meena in 6th house - though they are

actually in the 7th in bhava chart.)

a pundit had mentioned to me that I will be more serious in temperatment and not

be as jovial as a result of this aspect. i think it is true. also my second

marriage happened recently at the age of 31 (what i actually take as my real

marriage, as the first one was very early, brief and painful, and it was not a

marriage in the full sense) , so the late marriage part also applies.

i have guru aspecting my chandra-mangal from 1/3rd dristi, and i am interested

in mysticism, ancient scriptures as well as have a sanyasi

temperament...perhaps due to this aspect? or perhaps..because of sani-ketu in

the 9th house.

but yes, i see a similar situation as what is discussed below, in my life as well.

i hope i have been able to contribute somthing.

regards,

dimpleSudarshan <sudarshan_ji > wrote:

FriendsI have Saturn-moon conjunction in Lagna (Meena). It is aspected by

Jupiter from 5th House.I can confirm most of what has been discussed here--1.

I married at the age of 32 which I consider is a late marrige.2. Makes me

meloncholic and a lover of musics by KLSaigal, Talat Mahmood etc.3. Makes me

change my mind suddenly and quite often. 4. I am superstitous5. Aspect by

Jupiter - I am interested in ancient/occultic/religous knowledge. even in

school I used to be fond of history and used to score good marks in that

subject. Out of interest, I even took a history course as my elective when I

studied for my Chemical Engineering in 1987.--- In

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:> Dear

Friends,> > I have also observed in few cases that Sat+Moon> combination caused

unexpected delay in marriage or> resulted in long-held engagement etc.> > I

think, the theory of Punarphoo is not limited to> this issue only. If someone

know then please write on> it.> > Moreover, if Moon is solely aspected by

Saturn then> this makes one malencholic and superstitious. If>

aspect/association of natural benefics on Moon, is> also present then this

makes one intelligent, sober> and fondness of ancient knowledge.> > M.Imran> >

> > --- Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > > Namaste,> > > > Shani and chadra

closely conjunct is called> > punrabhu( some call it> > punarafu) yoga. This

yoga can make a person suddenly> > pull out of> > relationship. Some cases are

cited where the wedding> > invitations are> > mailed verything is ready to go

and suddenly the> > person chages his> > mind or some event makes the event not

happen> > > > ...> > > > On 4/19/05, raindancer_1998> > <raindancer_1998>

wrote:> > > > > > I have also read that this yoga (saturn-moon> > aspect) can

result in> > > "probhinu yoga" which, esp in a woman's chart, can> > result in

repeated> > > breaking of marriage prospects if one of the> > planets rule or

are in> > > the 7th house. do the gurus on this list have any> > comments about

this?> > > I have this in my chart (sani in makar, 7th house,> > chandra in

meena,> > > 9th house). I have had that happen twice> > (prospective marriage

broken> > > off). can this yoga be broken or managed by any> > means? > > > > >

> rani.> > > > > > vedic astrology,> > "grimlion59"

<grimlion59>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Saturn-Moon

conjunction in my 9th house> > Dhanus.I was told > > > > that the conjunction

(although Saturn is> > retrograde) constitutes a > > > > partial Sani-Chandra

yoga. Isnt that true of a> > saturn-moon > > > > combination? Besides would it

also not indicate> > a sort of sanyasa> > > yoga?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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No individual yoga or dosh is responsible for materializing any event.

Exceptions (in the form of drishti, sambandha, amsha, dispositors etc) modify,

even, change the results at all. So before inferring any conclusion the

‘relative strength’ of conjunction, aspect, occupation etc “should” work out.

Only an integrated (wholistic) analysis of chart can provide certain

indications.

For example, if Moon is at 20* Leo, Saturn is at 22* Scorpio and Jupiter is at

15* of Aries, then apparently it seems that both Saturn and Jupiter fully

(100%) aspecting the Moon. But effect of Saturn’s aspect on Moon dominates over

Jupiter’s as per ‘precise dasha computation’. This is also because here Saturn’s

aspect on the Moon is waxing aspect while Jupiter’s is of waning-aspect. But

this does not mean, Jupiter’s aspect is negligible.

Coming to issue of Punarphoo dosh (Shani-Chandra). It may break

engagement/marriage or bring forth unexpected delay in wedding unless fortified

by natural benefics. Most of the Jyotish classics mentioned evil results of this

combination (ceteris paribus).

Moon and Saturn in the 7th house may make one sickly disposed, be very timid, be

interested in carnal pleasures, be cruel, will have servants and be interested

in others’ wives. (Garga Hora)

Moon and Saturn in the 9th house: the native may be interested in religious vows

and charitable acts, be dear to king (i.e. appreciated or supported by official

circle), will have many sons and multiple number of wives (partners), be rich

and will have knowledge of ancient scripts. (Garga Hora)

Regarding Saturn-Moon conjunction, Saravali says, native will get decayed

spouse, wil be defeated, tender, famous among public, feed animals and

financially weak.

“If the Moon and Saturn join in the Ascendant, the native will be in servitude,

be base, given to anger, be miserly, sleepy, lazy and sinful.

If the Moon and Saturn join in the 4th, one will earn through water, pearls and

boats, be engaged in excavation (or in mines etc.), and be excellent and

agreeable to others.

If the Moon and Saturn join in the 7th, the subject will be devoid of wife, be

supreme among his townsmen and be honoured by the king.

If the Moon and Saturn join in the 10th, the person concerned will win the

enemies with his Army of horses, be famous, is a bad woman’s son and will be

head of men.” Saravaly XXXI, 42-45

But inferring the said conclusion by just relying on the mere Saturn-Moon

association/aspect would be baseless. Like take the chart of B.V.Raman; Moon is

along with Saturn. But consider first the some exceptions. There is a fairly

powerful aspect of Jupiter on Sat-Moon from Scorpio. Note that Jupiter’s aspect

is stronger than Saturn’s conjunction. Further, seventh lord–Sun is in chara

rashi, getting aspect of Jupiter and dhan-argala of Venus, Mercury and Mars.

(this favour early gain of spouse). Thirdly, the Moon’s rashi dispositor and

kalatar-karaka Venus is in 7th and aspecting the lagna. (Definitely there may

be lots of other reasons).

In a nut-shell, what I have told in previous message was, with respect to their

natural karaktattwa (natural significance) of planets. The Moon is karaka of

mind and Saturn is of loneliness, dutifulness, superstition, delay etc. When

they associate/aspect, the said result would manifest (whether mildly of

powerfully). Their placements in any sign shape the modes and nature of the

grahas whereas their occupations in specific houses manifest the matters of

those houses.

Signs/houses rule over unanimated objects (eg. environment, situation,

relations, ideas, emotions etc). On the other hand, lord of rashi and karakas

stand for animated objects and living beings (e.g. parents, wife, teacher,

boss, pets etc)

So when Saturn influences 7th house then this indicates delayed marriage and/or

cold/mature spousal relationship. On the other hand, if Saturn influences 7th

lord and karaka then this shows diseased spouse and/or aged partner. Obviously

when other things being constant.

Regards,

M. Imran

Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat,Dear Rani,Can you attach your chart please, may help

in learning.Dear Imran,Your observation, does it pertain to placement in 9H or

any house?Thanks and regardsRamesh

vedic astrology[vedic astrology]On

Behalf Of raindancer_1998Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:18 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn-Moon

conjunctionI don't know if influence of Jupiter is always ameliorating. I

haveJupiter and Moon in the ninth house in Pisces. Saturn (7th Lord)aspects

them both from the seventh.I have not gotten married at all. I've come *very*

close twice, andeach time I have suffered a lack of emotion for the said man at

theend and I think, in once

instance, it was both ways. after weighingeverything, all the pros and the cons,

I pulled out. this has affordedmy parents MUCH sorrow. and myself as well. but

in the end, I havefelt no regret as I do believe that these marriages would

have beenmistakes.but I cannot believe that I am still unmarried. I always

thought I'dbe married by about 30. I look very young (about 26 or so, I hear)

soI still get plenty of 'options'. but somehow, my experience has souredme and

makes me think I am "fated" to be alone.the "sanyas" situation is also

interesting to me because I also havesaturn and ketu in the ninth house in my

navamsa. saturn is myatmakaraka, AND my navamsa lord, on top of ruling my rashi

7th andbeing in the rashi 7th. I guess saturn is the overall theme in mychart.

it's denied me happiness.and yet, I *am* social. I like being with people and

being around men.but I am also a loner.also, sanjayji, about

Punarbhu. when you say that it tends people tomarry older people and later.

could that also mean an older personwith that yoga could marry an younger

person? something in the meaningof that word that you outlined -- renewal, etc

-- makes me think so.interesting.thank you, all.rani.--- In

vedic astrology, "ennaye" <ennaye> wrote:>> If the Saturn

-Moon conjunction receives the aspect of a benefic> like Jupiter the effects

will be different.> regards,> Neena> vedic astrology,

Muhammad Imran> <astroimran> wrote:> > Dear Friends,> >> > I have also

observed in few cases that Sat+Moon> > combination caused unexpected delay in

marriage or> > resulted in long-held engagement etc.> >> > I think, the theory

of Punarphoo is not limited to> > this issue only. If someone

know then please write on> > it.> >> > Moreover, if Moon is solely aspected by

Saturn then> > this makes one malencholic and superstitious. If> >

aspect/association of natural benefics on Moon, is> > also present then this

makes one intelligent, sober> > and fondness of ancient knowledge.> >> >

M.Imran> >> >> >> > --- Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> >> > > Namaste,> > >>

> > Shani and chadra closely conjunct is called> > > punrabhu( some call it> > >

punarafu) yoga. This yoga can make a person suddenly> > > pull out of> > >

relationship. Some cases are cited where the wedding> > > invitations are> > >

mailed verything is ready to go and suddenly the> > > person chages his> > >

mind or some event

makes the event not happen> > >> > > ...> > >> > > On 4/19/05, raindancer_1998>

> > <raindancer_1998> wrote:> > > >> > > > I have also read that this yoga

(saturn-moon> > > aspect) can result in> > > > "probhinu yoga" which, esp in a

woman's chart, can> > > result in repeated> > > > breaking of marriage

prospects if one of the> > > planets rule or are in> > > > the 7th house. do

the gurus on this list have any> > > comments about this?> > > > I have this in

my chart (sani in makar, 7th house,> > > chandra in meena,> > > > 9th house). I

have had that happen twice> > > (prospective marriage broken> > > > off). can

this yoga be broken or managed by any> > > means?> > > >>

> > > rani.> > > >> > > > vedic astrology,> > >

"grimlion59" <grimlion59>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I have

a Saturn-Moon conjunction in my 9th house> > > Dhanus.I was told> > > > > that

the conjunction (although Saturn is> > > retrograde) constitutes a> > > > >

partial Sani-Chandra yoga. Isnt that true of a> > > saturn-moon> > > > >

combination? Besides would it also not indicate> > > a sort of sanyasa> > > >

yoga?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Archives:> > >

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ceremonies, nor in Yoga and renunciation.If thou art a true seeker, thou shalt

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