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vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Pravinji,

>

> Very well said. You are one of the few wise people in this

divisional

> chaos. The proof is in the pudding, meaning correct predictions.

Thats

> what jatak comes to the jyotishi for. The reason KN Rao has great

> respect, also BV Raman, is because of many accurate predictions they

> made which came true.Those who want to follow BHPS, great, even that

> has to be tested with your own experience. Parashar mentions about

> ashatakvarga ayurdaya. BV Raman in his books has described the

> technique as mentioned in the classics but adds that this technique

is

> not found to be reliable measure of longevity calculations.So there

> are things in BHPS that have been found by great scholars of yester

> years to be not working. I contend that there could be a few more

> things that do not work. I have found that dasha applied for

> vargottama lagna does not pan out correctly in a few cases I have

and

> standard vimshottari works there quite well.That is my experience.

In

> case of vimshottari dasha and a rashi chart there are techniques

> developed by great scholars who have a track record of excellent

> predictions. I am on this list for the past few months and I do not

> know who are the SJC gurus on the list. I can only guess from the

> reactions I get when any of their methods are questioned. I have not

> seen many of these gurus give too many predictions or succesfuly

> identify past events.

>

> Read the book called "I am that" by Nisargadatta maharaj. There he

> says the only way to find out who you are is to find out who you are

> not. Neti..Neti.. Jyotish in some sense is like that. I have no

> problem testing new methods, but as I have said before, I have not

> found the numorous lagnas and arudhas and divisionals, arudhas in

> divisionals, dashas in even divisional amshas to be reliable and

> their success rate for me has been quite low..Thay can create quite

a

> confusion, not much more, unless ofcouse when the event is known.So

I

> have gone through this neti..neti ... Not this ..Not this.. and the

> method I have found to work in majority of the cases is vimshottari

> dasha and relying mostly on rashi chart from lagna and moon. That is

> my experience.I have put out this experience to the benefit of

> students on the list....I have been able to identify past events in

a

> few cases I have given predictions to on this list and the credit

goes

> to my jyotish guru who is the Gold medalist of the Bharatiya Vidya

> Bhavan and described by Charapani Ullal as the most brilliant

> astrologer in the West. I have learned from him practical jyotish.

He

> insists that the hallmark of a good jyotishi is ,someone who can

make

> accurate predictions from the least number of parameters available.

> Thats what I strive for....

>

> ...

>

> On 4/15/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > No, it is not like you had mentioned. Shri K.N.Rao never

says, "His COIN

> > alone is authentic". He always encourages research saying

that 'astrology is

> > a vast ocean' and one birth is a very short duration to

understand even a

> > little. He tests every concept exhaustively before forming an

opinion about

> > that. If you have read his books, you must know that he had great

respect

> > for Andhra astrologer Vemuri Ramamurthi, for his predictive

calibre not for

> > any mumbo-jumbo concepts. He had openly accepted him much

superior to

> > himself and tried to learn his methods with 'limited success'.

> > About his anger, you may be partially right. Then you should know

that many

> > Indian Rashis (Vishwamitra, Parshuram etc.) too are known for

their

> > arrogance. It won't belittle their other qualities.He becomes

angry for

> > one's mercenary considerations only. B.V.Raman tried to force his

Ayanamsa

> > on K.N.Rao's school (for vested interests) which had irritated

him. Anybody

> > doing any damage to astrology always irritates him. As I know, he

was

> > irritated by misguiding translation of 'Upadesa Sutra' by Sanjay

Rath and

> > with many other faulty concepts of his school. Proper reply to

such things

> > is to prove usefulness of your concepts and as it is concerned

with fortune

> > telling, it can be nothing but predictions only.

> > If you don't know, I will like to tell you that he had retired

from one of

> > india's premium civil service (IAAS). He had led a very simple

life (like a

> > saint) and didn't have enough money for buying a house in Delhi

at the time

> > of retirement. Others make millions in the same position. Then,

he has

> > devoted his life to re-establish astrology, like a rishi. That is

why I call

> > him a saint and a rishi astrologer. He never visits US to make

millions by

> > giving psychological bluff to ignorant westerners. For him,

astrology is a

> > 'Sadhana'.

> > But all this should not be a point here. What I had emphasised is

that

> > astrology is a science / art of fortune telling. If you can't do

that

> > everythingelse is meaningless. Today's self proclaimed Gurus

should

> > demonstrate their predictive competence convincingly to justify

their Guru

> > status which they are never doing. I myself (and many others) had

this

> > experience here with two so called SJC gurus. Shri K.N.Rao never

adorned

> > himself with the word 'Guru'. He prefers to call himself as the

guide /

> > teacher interpreting higher meaning for the word 'guru'.

> > Last but not the least, if you listen to Shri K.N.Rao speaking

even for half

> > an hour, you won't ask any more questions. This is all. I won't

reply to any

> > such mails any more.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > -

> > utpal pathak

> > vedic astrology

> > 15, 04, 2005 5:42 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste

> > Visit-->2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in

> > TOTO

> >

> >

> > Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar, Viswanadhm garu , Visti and all

others,

> >

> > I have a book called 'Gospel of Sri Ramkrishna'. in that Sri

Thakur

> > says that the very big problem today is that everyone feels

that "His

> > COIN alone is authentic". The same problem seems to be persisting

in

> > Astrological faternity and may be in every arae one can think of.

> >

> > I have a lot of respect for Shri K.N.Rao & his scholarship. i

have

> > read few of his 'Astrological Journal' & web site articles. but

at

> > the same time I also had a great Shock when he had vehemently

> > criticised Late Dr B.V.Raman in one of his article in 'JA' 2/3

years

> > back. The Summary of the critcism was that Dr.Raman's life went

in to

> > projecting flase Ayanamsha and then in defence of it. and that he

> > could make great predictions only in his Guru Mahadasha and so

on...

> >

> > I don't know any inside story if there were any but one question

is

> > unanswered in my heart --> "can 'Rishi' of Indian culture mount

such

> > attacks even on their worst critics?" I don't if Dr Raman was

also

> > critical of Shro Rao.

> >

> > Till date i am not able to reconcile with the criticism he

mounted on

> > my most favourite (note- I use only Lahiri Ayanmansha and no

Raman).

> > Pl. don't mistake, I am not from any astrological group yet. this

is

> > my independant & unbiased informations/views.

> >

> > I really want to ask Shri Rao, why he was so critical openly to

> > another Great like him who has even greater contribution as he

was

> > the first one to draw attention of learned people (from India &

West)

> > to the Vedic Astrology and was adamant & successful in defending

> > claims of vedic astrology against all hostile attacks in those

days.

> >

> > I want to herewith inform you that I have started from Rashi &

> > Chandra Lagna,Transit, Vimshottari & then was intorduced to

Important

> > of Navmansha then in the line came Ashtakvarga, Amsastrength,

> > Charkarka (7), Char Dahsa, Rashi Drashti concept, I kept on going

> > forward and found another diamonds and jewels such as Argala,

Arudha,

> > Narayandasha and other Dasha, Kalchakra, CK (8),Interpretation of

D10

> > etc. independantly,Thithi Varsha Pravesh chart, I want to go

still

> > further to see anyting else us there deep.

> >

> > I am also testing the new jewels as a habit before accepting it.

> > about that i can say that I have no dowbt about practical use of

> > ARGALA, Arudha principle to one's advantage and also Sadesati

from

> > D10 Rashi chart regarding career matter.

> >

> > I seek apology for writing something which is not proportionate

to my

> > kowkedge / experience.

> >

> > best regads,

> >

> > Pathak

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > I agree 100%. Standard methodology of Shri K.N.Rao is Rasi,

> > Navamsa, Ashtakvarga and Vimshottari. Based on it, he will tells

some

> > past trends correctly which many people have witnessed. I too

> > experienced it sometimes in early 90's. Hence, if anybody wants

to

> > test any rules, he / she should follow this method. Say, you want

to

> > test a rule for predicting marriage. You select 50 horoscopes

without

> > knowing the facts. You do your assessment, match it with the

actual

> > facts and then draw your conclusions.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > Panditji

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 14, 04, 2005 5:51 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit -->

> > 2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Have you tested just plain old vanilla flavor rashi chart

from

> > lagna

> > > and chandra and vimshotaari dasha and navansha to ascertain

amsha

> > > strength. Many answer are found in these in 8 out of 10 cases

of

> > day

> > > to day jataka queries. Go into these other techniques that

have

> > been

> > > tested by authentic institutions like Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan (

> > Wehre KN

> > > Rao teaches). Test it for yourself and come to your own

> > conclusions.

> > > Experience is the best teacher. Also be aware that jyotish

does

> > not

> > > reveal everything and some things just can not be seen in a

chart,

> > > that is called adrishta, and one needs yearas of sadhana to

get

> > that

> > > drishi of the adrishta.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/13/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Praveen Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > This is a issue which is not getting settled with me. I was

> > only having

> > > > knowledge of 7 Charkarka scheme before i came in contact

with

> > SJC-Mumbai

> > > > Conference.

> > > >

> > > > Infact i was under impression that Jupiter in my chart is

> > AMATYAKARKA (7

> > > > scheme) and now jupiter mahadasha has started from nov-2004

> > which should

> > > > boost my career. I started my independent business in April

> > 2004.

> > > >

> > > > After knowing 8CK scheme, i understood that My AMK is Rahu

&

> > not Jupiter.

> > > > Now intresting thing in favour of 8 CK scheme is that JU

> > becomes BK and

> > > > indicator of "Guru" in the life and if i tell you my

personal

> > experience

> > > > then I "Guru" came in my life only after My Ju mahadasha

> > started. i.e. I

> > > > accepted Thakur Shri RamKrishna as my Guru. I also came in

> > contact with SJC

> > > > only in Jan 2005.

> > > >

> > > > so the above things are in favour of 8CK scheme. even if we

see

> > The

> > > > "Natives" horoscope for whom i have given details then one

> > point is notable

> > > > that he prosperoured tremendeously during last 5/6 years in

> > Saturn Mahadasha

> > > > and Saturn becomes his AMK as per 8CK scheme.

> > > >

> > > > I am going thro' various horoscopes and it may take some

time

> > to practically

> > > > see the usefulness of 7 or 8ck.

> > > >

> > > > My own Guru mahadasha may also make things some what clear

but

> > it'll take

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pathak

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Your D-10 analysis is very good and may be correct. See

mars

> > and Sat aspect

> > > > 10th house in Rasi chart too. But, use D-10 only for

> > confirmation. Also, use

> > > > 7 charakarakas without Rahu. This is followed by Shri

K.N.Rao

> > and is what I

> > > > have faith in.

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > -

> > > > utpal pathak

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > 12, 04, 2005 2:06 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near

> > > > FatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Praveen Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > Recorded TOB is 8.43 PM.

> > > >

> > > > I know the native only very recently due to business

dealings.

> > Hene I

> > > > only know his Nature of Business very well.

> > > >

> > > > BUSINESS : - ELECTRICAL CONTROL PANEL MFG. + LICENCED

> > ELECTRICAL

> > > > CONTRACTOR.

> > > >

> > > > I rectified the time on the bases of D10 as I felt Leo

Lagna in

> > D10

> > > > suits more to his activities due to following points

> > > > 1) 3rd house has Mars-Ketu-Budha combination which can

explain

> > his

> > > > Electriacal Contractor ship

> > > > 2) Mars & Saturn also aspects 10th which explains dealing

in

> > > > Electriacl as well as Iron work (Panel of Mild Steel). It

may

> > also

> > > > justify control over Labour class.

> > > > 3) All the 3 houses of desires are having planets and he is

in

> > > > business from young age.

> > > > 4) Saturn as Amatyakarka placed in Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > correct me for any mis-understanding on my part

> > > >

> > > > Utpal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > > > On what basis you had added 29 seconds ? Please give

original

> > TOB

> > > > too. The horoscope appears to be correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > See:

> > > > > 1) 4th lord with Mars

> > > > > 2) Venus with Mars

> > > > > 3) From Moon, Venus-Mars in the 4th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > -

> > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > 11, 04, 2005 8:38 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near

Fatal

> > > > Accident case/Principle is working in TOTO

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am Providing you another case of Car accident where

> > Mahadasha &

> > > > > Antardasha both principles have worked.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd Near Fatal car accident case

> > > > >

> > > > > Data of the Native ¡V 18.12.1965, 8.43.29 PM,

75E49,

> > 26N55

> > > > India.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native is a Businessman & had a Head On Collision

with

> > > > another

> > > > > Car while he was going in his car. It was a very

serious

> > > > accident .

> > > > > the Native was in ICU for 8 to 10 days. Lot of bones

have

> > broken

> > > > &

> > > > > injuries on face also but now recovering & may start

doing

> > > > activities

> > > > > in another Month¡¦s time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Accident - 10th January 2005.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shool Mahadasha ¡V TAURUS

> > > > > Antardasha - TAURUS

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Saturn is there in 5th from AL. 3rd from AL has

Sun

> > & 8th

> > > > > from AL has Rahu aspected by Mars. Hence accident

> > possibility is

> > > > there

> > > > > 2) Taurus being the Mahadasha is justified as

Taurus

> > is the

> > > > > rashi which is the center of RUDRA Yog i.e. Taurus is

> > aspected by

> > > > > Moon, Mars & Venus and hence conclusively dangerous for

> > > > accidents. -"³

> > > > > Mahadasha Principle is working

> > > > > 3) Antardasha is also of Taurus "³ 8th lord from

> > Taurus

> > > > > (Mahadasha rashi) Jupiter aspects Taurus in D9 "³

> > Antardasha

> > > > Principle

> > > > > is working.

> > > > > 4) It was a near fatal accident and cause lot of

> > suffering

> > > > to

> > > > > the native "³ Rahu is in 8th from AL, It is also

Atmakarka

> > &

> > > > Placed in

> > > > > the Rashi which is completely influenced by Rudra Yog.

> > > > > 5) Vehicle accident can be justified by

involvement

> > of

> > > > Venus &

> > > > > Moon with reference to the 8th house from AL.

> > > > >

> > > > > I congratulate you after giving this analysis as you

have

> > > > provided us

> > > > > a really important research. Using which one can really

> > guide

> > > > people

> > > > > for any forth coming danger.

> > > > >

> > > > > With the 2 case studies, I am fairly confident about

> > > > ¡¥Mahadasha¡¦

> > > > > principle, but for ¡§Antardasha¡¨ I may need to check

few

> > more as

> > > > some

> > > > > inconsistency is evident.

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to be absolutely sure for ¡§Antardsha¡¨ because

this

> > is a

> > > > very

> > > > > critical thing and before warning or guiding any body

we

> > need to

> > > > be

> > > > > very sure about our base of predicting the event.

> > > > >

> > > > > Correct me if I am wrong in understanding of the above

case

> > or

> > > > > concept.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Utpal Pathak

> > > > >

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