House of Father

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Dear Suchitra-ji,

Namaskar. Nice question but failed logic. Let me

explain why.

 

1. In this group we discuss the astrological knowledge as handed

down by Parasara. Your referred website apparently follows the same.

Hence, they take 4H as matrubhava. Correct ? Then using Maharshi

Parasara's given knowledge, they use 7H as darabhava. Correct? Then

again they oppose that Maharshi Parasara is wrong is stating that 9H

is pitrubhava. Which cannot be correct as they are denying the

hypothesis that Parasara is correct, which they starting assuming to

be correct in the first place.

 

2. Next let me ask why they aren't starting by taking 9H as

pitrubhava and then from the 9H take the 7th from it i.e. the 3H and

say that it is the matrubhava !?! So they are making assumptions

(starting with 4H = mother) and trying to apply their logic!

 

3. 9H is the house of dharma and 4H is the house of happiness. We

learn/receive the dharma from the father and happiness and comfort

from the mother. So you can look at this way why 9H is pitrubhava

and 4H is matrubhava.

 

4. 7H is not just for wife. It is for all other relations outside

our blood relations. It also stands for our communicative relations,

people we work with, business parters etc. Upapada Lagna (UL) and

its lord shows the marital relationship of a person.

 

5. Bhava/sign shows a situation and not a person. So 4H and 9H shows

motherly and fatherly relationships. Their lords will show mother

and father. There are also karakas for mother and father, namely

charamatrukaraka and charapitrukaraka.

 

 

As Guru Sanjay-ji has expressly stated, no matter what invented

logic is there, try to stick to Maharshi Parasara. Please read

Brihat Parasara Hora Sashtra and undersand the principles from

there. I have had similar bad experiences when I tried to learn from

website's of ppl. Now, I only stick to shashtras and books by

authorities.

 

Hope this helps. I expect learned guru's and members will give

further inputs.

 

Regards,

 

Sourav

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vedic astrology, Suchitra Kamath

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> Hello All,

>

> I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of

father.Some say 9 , some 10.I came across an interesting article on

( if I am not wrong abt the website)

>

> www.jyotishvidya.com and it gives good logic on why house of

father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of mother)

>

> Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south India

woman is married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th

(=9th) would be father.

>

> However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house of

father I get confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is seen

from 9th -it should be 9th.......

>

> Please advise!!!

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

>

>

>

>

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

Hello, 9th bhava is our father, Darma Pitru Matru Sukha / i hope this is

right written, but anyway, darma comes from father and sukha, luck from

mother, we know that 9th bhava is darma it is kona bhava from first

house, these are darma bhavas. 10th house is our mothers partner, 10th

house is the luck we are getting from our father.

I hope this is little bit clear, best wishes Bojan Vidakovic SJC Serbia

OM TAT SAT

Suchitra Kamath wrote:

 

> Hello All,

>

> I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of father.Some

> say 9 , some 10.I came across an interesting article on ( if I am not

> wrong abt the website)

>

> www.jyotishvidya.com <http://www.jyotishvidya.com> and it gives good

> logic on why house of father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of

> mother)

>

> Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south India

> woman is married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th

> (=9th) would be father.

>

> However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house of father

> I get confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is seen from 9th

> -it should be 9th.......

>

> Please advise!!!

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

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Dear Bojan

If I remember right the Sanskrit verse is

Sarva dharma pitru paade

Sarva sukha matru saarane

All dharma comes from the feet of the father

All sukha comes from the lap of the mother

Best wishes

R. Kasthuri Rangan

Bojan Vidakovic wrote:

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

Hello, 9th bhava is our father, Darma Pitru Matru Sukha / i hope this is right

written, but anyway, darma comes from father and sukha, luck from mother, we

know that 9th bhava is darma it is kona bhava from first house, these are darma

bhavas. 10th house is our mothers partner, 10th house is the luck we are getting

from our father.

I hope this is little bit clear, best wishes Bojan Vidakovic SJC Serbia

OM TAT SAT

Suchitra Kamath wrote:

Hello All,

I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of father.Some say 9 ,

some 10.I came across an interesting article on ( if I am not wrong abt the

website)

www.jyotishvidya.com <http://www.jyotishvidya.com> and it gives good logic on

why house of father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of mother)

Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south India woman is

married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th (=9th) would be father.

However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house of father I get

confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is seen from 9th -it should be

9th.......

Please advise!!!

Regards

Suchitra

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Dear Suchitra

Your Website reference is indeed correct -- thanks, it's full of

interesting things, notably Hindou and astrological perspective on

Christianity. In the section on bhava, it does indeed give father as

10th house, which I've often found in Indian astrology writings

based on North Indian traditions. On this list most members seem to

favour the 9th, but I definitely find the 10th works better for me

(perhaps as a Westerner), and seems more coherent (as you say, 7th

from 4). Often, I've heard it explained that since in South Indian

culture especially the father is also the guru, 9th should be used,

whereas in the West the two functions are usually separate: the

father is more the one who pushes you out into the world and your

career, and encourages to act on your own initiative (10th house).

I was also interested in your comment about the 9th being the

maternal uncle, who you say is sometimes also the husband/father in

South India, you say.

Thanks

Graham

 

vedic astrology, Suchitra Kamath

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> Hello All,

>

> I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of

father.Some say 9 , some 10.I came across an interesting article on

( if I am not wrong abt the website)

>

> www.jyotishvidya.com and it gives good logic on why house of

father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of mother)

>

> Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south India

woman is married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th

(=9th) would be father.

>

> However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house of

father I get confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is seen

from 9th -it should be 9th.......

>

> Please advise!!!

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

>

>

>

>

> Make your home page

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Dear Suchitra

Just to clarify -- the 9th is the house not of maternal uncle, but

of the grand-uncle (the brother of the maternal grandmother). Are or

were marriages to the maternal grandmother's brother common in South

India?

Graham

vedic astrology, "Graham Fox"

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

>

> Dear Suchitra

> Your Website reference is indeed correct -- thanks, it's full of

> interesting things, notably Hindou and astrological perspective on

> Christianity. In the section on bhava, it does indeed give father

as

> 10th house, which I've often found in Indian astrology writings

> based on North Indian traditions. On this list most members seem

to

> favour the 9th, but I definitely find the 10th works better for me

> (perhaps as a Westerner), and seems more coherent (as you say, 7th

> from 4). Often, I've heard it explained that since in South Indian

> culture especially the father is also the guru, 9th should be

used,

> whereas in the West the two functions are usually separate: the

> father is more the one who pushes you out into the world and your

> career, and encourages to act on your own initiative (10th house).

> I was also interested in your comment about the 9th being the

> maternal uncle, who you say is sometimes also the husband/father

in

> South India, you say.

> Thanks

> Graham

>

> vedic astrology, Suchitra Kamath

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> > Hello All,

> >

> > I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of

> father.Some say 9 , some 10.I came across an interesting article

on

> ( if I am not wrong abt the website)

> >

> > www.jyotishvidya.com and it gives good logic on why house of

> father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of mother)

> >

> > Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south

India

> woman is married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th

> (=9th) would be father.

> >

> > However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house of

> father I get confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is

seen

> from 9th -it should be 9th.......

> >

> > Please advise!!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Make your home page

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Dear Suchitra

I'm very sorry, I was getting confused between the maternal uncle of

the native and the maternal uncle of his mother. As you say, the the

9th house represents the maternal uncle of the mother. But I am

still interested that you say "in some cases as in south India

woman is married to maternal uncle": if this is or was true, it

could, as you suggest, explain the use of 9th for native's father.

It also makes me wonder whether, apart from the usual "father=guru"

explanation for this house meaning, there could just possibly be the

remnants here of a pre-Vedic matriarcal tradition. I've read that in

matriarcal societies, the biological father was often absent,

unimportant or unknown, and the "fatherly" role in child-raising

fell to the maternal uncle, though he was not the actual father of

the child.

Best wishes

Graham

 

 

vedic astrology, "Graham Fox"

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

>

> Dear Suchitra

> Just to clarify -- the 9th is the house not of maternal uncle, but

> of the grand-uncle (the brother of the maternal grandmother). Are

or

> were marriages to the maternal grandmother's brother common in

South

> India?

> Graham

> vedic astrology, "Graham Fox"

> <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suchitra

> > Your Website reference is indeed correct -- thanks, it's full of

> > interesting things, notably Hindou and astrological perspective

on

> > Christianity. In the section on bhava, it does indeed give

father

> as

> > 10th house, which I've often found in Indian astrology writings

> > based on North Indian traditions. On this list most members seem

> to

> > favour the 9th, but I definitely find the 10th works better for

me

> > (perhaps as a Westerner), and seems more coherent (as you say,

7th

> > from 4). Often, I've heard it explained that since in South

Indian

> > culture especially the father is also the guru, 9th should be

> used,

> > whereas in the West the two functions are usually separate: the

> > father is more the one who pushes you out into the world and

your

> > career, and encourages to act on your own initiative (10th

house).

> > I was also interested in your comment about the 9th being the

> > maternal uncle, who you say is sometimes also the husband/father

> in

> > South India, you say.

> > Thanks

> > Graham

> >

> > vedic astrology, Suchitra Kamath

> > <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> > > Hello All,

> > >

> > > I keep reading different verdicts on which is the house of

> > father.Some say 9 , some 10.I came across an interesting article

> on

> > ( if I am not wrong abt the website)

> > >

> > > www.jyotishvidya.com and it gives good logic on why house of

> > father is 10 house.(7th from 4th etc-husband of mother)

> > >

> > > Also why 9 house as father clicks in some cases as in south

> India

> > woman is married to maternal uncle in many cases so 6th from 4th

> > (=9th) would be father.

> > >

> > > However in this forum when learned Gurus refer to 9 as house

of

> > father I get confused.Some say since father is guru and Guru is

> seen

> > from 9th -it should be 9th.......

> > >

> > > Please advise!!!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Suchitra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Make your home page