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No, it is not like you had mentioned. Shri K.N.Rao never says, "His COIN alone

is authentic". He always encourages research saying that 'astrology is a vast

ocean' and one birth is a very short duration to understand even a little. He

tests every concept exhaustively before forming an opinion about that. If you

have read his books, you must know that he had great respect for Andhra

astrologer Vemuri Ramamurthi, for his predictive calibre not for any

mumbo-jumbo concepts. He had openly accepted him much superior to himself and

tried to learn his methods with 'limited success'.

About his anger, you may be partially right. Then you should know that many

Indian Rashis (Vishwamitra, Parshuram etc.) too are known for their arrogance.

It won't belittle their other qualities.He becomes angry for one's mercenary

considerations only. B.V.Raman tried to force his Ayanamsa on K.N.Rao's school

(for vested interests) which had irritated him. Anybody doing any damage to

astrology always irritates him. As I know, he was irritated by misguiding

translation of 'Upadesa Sutra' by Sanjay Rath and with many other faulty

concepts of his school. Proper reply to such things is to prove usefulness of

your concepts and as it is concerned with fortune telling, it can be nothing

but predictions only.

If you don't know, I will like to tell you that he had retired from one of

india's premium civil service (IAAS). He had led a very simple life (like a

saint) and didn't have enough money for buying a house in Delhi at the time of

retirement. Others make millions in the same position. Then, he has devoted his

life to re-establish astrology, like a rishi. That is why I call him a saint and

a rishi astrologer. He never visits US to make millions by giving psychological

bluff to ignorant westerners. For him, astrology is a 'Sadhana'.

But all this should not be a point here. What I had emphasised is that astrology

is a science / art of fortune telling. If you can't do that everythingelse is

meaningless. Today's self proclaimed Gurus should demonstrate their predictive

competence convincingly to justify their Guru status which they are never

doing. I myself (and many others) had this experience here with two so called

SJC gurus. Shri K.N.Rao never adorned himself with the word 'Guru'. He prefers

to call himself as the guide / teacher interpreting higher meaning for the word

'guru'.

Last but not the least, if you listen to Shri K.N.Rao speaking even for half an

hour, you won't ask any more questions. This is all. I won't reply to any such

mails any more.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

-

utpal pathak

vedic astrology

15, 04, 2005 5:42 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Namaste

Visit-->2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar, Viswanadhm garu , Visti and all others,I have a

book called 'Gospel of Sri Ramkrishna'. in that Sri Thakur says that the very

big problem today is that everyone feels that "His COIN alone is authentic".

The same problem seems to be persisting in Astrological faternity and may be in

every arae one can think of.I have a lot of respect for Shri K.N.Rao & his

scholarship. i have read few of his 'Astrological Journal' & web site articles.

but at the same time I also had a great Shock when he had vehemently criticised

Late Dr B.V.Raman in one of his article in 'JA' 2/3 years back. The Summary of

the critcism was that Dr.Raman's life went in to projecting flase Ayanamsha and

then in defence of it. and that he could make great predictions only in his Guru

Mahadasha and so on...I don't know any inside story if there were any but one

question is unanswered in my heart --> "can 'Rishi' of Indian culture mount

such attacks even on their worst critics?" I don't if Dr Raman was also

critical of Shro Rao.Till date i am not able to reconcile with the criticism he

mounted on my most favourite (note- I use only Lahiri Ayanmansha and no Raman).

Pl. don't mistake, I am not from any astrological group yet. this is my

independant & unbiased informations/views.I really want to ask Shri Rao, why he

was so critical openly to another Great like him who has even greater

contribution as he was the first one to draw attention of learned people (from

India & West)to the Vedic Astrology and was adamant & successful in defending

claims of vedic astrology against all hostile attacks in those days.I want to

herewith inform you that I have started from Rashi & Chandra Lagna,Transit,

Vimshottari & then was intorduced to Important of Navmansha then in the line

came Ashtakvarga, Amsastrength, Charkarka (7), Char Dahsa, Rashi Drashti

concept, I kept on going forward and found another diamonds and jewels such as

Argala, Arudha, Narayandasha and other Dasha, Kalchakra, CK (8),Interpretation

of D10 etc. independantly,Thithi Varsha Pravesh chart, I want to go still

further to see anyting else us there deep.I am also testing the new jewels as a

habit before accepting it. about that i can say that I have no dowbt about

practical use of ARGALA, Arudha principle to one's advantage and also Sadesati

from D10 Rashi chart regarding career matter.I seek apology for writing

something which is not proportionate to my kowkedge / experience.best

regads,Pathak vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> Dear Panditji,> I agree 100%. Standard methodology of

Shri K.N.Rao is Rasi, Navamsa, Ashtakvarga and Vimshottari. Based on it, he will

tells some past trends correctly which many people have witnessed. I too

experienced it sometimes in early 90's. Hence, if anybody wants to test any

rules, he / she should follow this method. Say, you want to test a rule for

predicting marriage. You select 50 horoscopes without knowing the facts. You do

your assessment, match it with the actual facts and then draw your conclusions.>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)> - > Panditji >

vedic astrology > 14, 04, 2005 5:51 PM> Subject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle

is working in TOTO> > > Namaste,> > Have you tested just plain old vanilla

flavor rashi chart from lagna> and chandra and vimshotaari dasha and navansha

to ascertain amsha> strength. Many answer are found in these in 8 out of 10

cases of day> to day jataka queries. Go into these other techniques that have

been> tested by authentic institutions like Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan ( Wehre KN>

Rao teaches). Test it for yourself and come to your own conclusions.>

Experience is the best teacher. Also be aware that jyotish does not> reveal

everything and some things just can not be seen in a chart,> that is called

adrishta, and one needs yearas of sadhana to get that> drishi of the

adrishta.> > ...> > On 4/13/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:>

> > > Dear Praveen Kumar,> > > > This is a issue which is not getting

settled with me. I was only having> > knowledge of 7 Charkarka scheme before

i came in contact with SJC-Mumbai> > Conference.> > > > Infact i was

under impression that Jupiter in my chart is AMATYAKARKA (7> > scheme) and

now jupiter mahadasha has started from nov-2004 which should> > boost my

career. I started my independent business in April 2004.> > > > After

knowing 8CK scheme, i understood that My AMK is Rahu & not Jupiter.> > Now

intresting thing in favour of 8 CK scheme is that JU becomes BK and> >

indicator of "Guru" in the life and if i tell you my personal experience> >

then I "Guru" came in my life only after My Ju mahadasha started. i.e. I> >

accepted Thakur Shri RamKrishna as my Guru. I also came in contact with SJC>

> only in Jan 2005.> > > > so the above things are in favour of 8CK

scheme. even if we see The> > "Natives" horoscope for whom i have given

details then one point is notable> > that he prosperoured tremendeously

during last 5/6 years in Saturn Mahadasha> > and Saturn becomes his AMK as

per 8CK scheme.> > > > I am going thro' various horoscopes and it may take

some time to practically> > see the usefulness of 7 or 8ck.> > > > My own

Guru mahadasha may also make things some what clear but it'll take> > time.>

> > > regards,> > > > Pathak> > > > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...>

wrote:> > > > Your D-10 analysis is very good and may be correct. See mars

and Sat aspect> > 10th house in Rasi chart too. But, use D-10 only for

confirmation. Also, use> > 7 charakarakas without Rahu. This is followed by

Shri K.N.Rao and is what I> > have faith in.> > > > Praveen Kumar

(Mumbai)> > - > > utpal pathak > > To:

vedic astrology > > 12, 04, 2005 2:06 PM> > Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near> >

FatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO> > > > > > > > Namaste

Praveen Kumar,> > > > Recorded TOB is 8.43 PM.> > > > I know the native

only very recently due to business dealings. Hene I > > only know his Nature

of Business very well.> > > > BUSINESS : - ELECTRICAL CONTROL PANEL MFG. +

LICENCED ELECTRICAL > > CONTRACTOR.> > > > I rectified the time on the

bases of D10 as I felt Leo Lagna in D10 > > suits more to his activities due

to following points> > 1) 3rd house has Mars-Ketu-Budha combination which can

explain his > > Electriacal Contractor ship> > 2) Mars & Saturn also aspects

10th which explains dealing in > > Electriacl as well as Iron work (Panel of

Mild Steel). It may also > > justify control over Labour class.> > 3) All

the 3 houses of desires are having planets and he is in > > business from

young age.> > 4) Saturn as Amatyakarka placed in Lagna.> > > > correct me

for any mis-understanding on my part> > > > Utpal> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:>

> > On what basis you had added 29 seconds ? Please give original TOB > >

too. The horoscope appears to be correct.> > > > > > See: > > > 1) 4th

lord with Mars> > > 2) Venus with Mars> > > 3) From Moon, Venus-Mars in the

4th.> > > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)> > > -

> > > utpal pathak > > > vedic astrology > >

> 11, 04, 2005 8:38 PM> > > [vedic astrology] Namaste Visit

--> 2nd Near Fatal > > Accident case/Principle is working in TOTO> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,> > > Namaste,> > > > > > I am

Providing you another case of Car accident where Mahadasha & > > >

Antardasha both principles have worked.> > > > > > 2nd Near Fatal car

accident case> > > > > > Data of the Native ¡V 18.12.1965, 8.43.29 PM,

75E49, 26N55 > > India.> > > > > > The native is a Businessman & had a

Head On Collision with > > another > > > Car while he was going in his

car. It was a very serious > > accident . > > > the Native was in ICU for

8 to 10 days. Lot of bones have broken > > & > > > injuries on face also

but now recovering & may start doing > > activities > > > in another

Month¡¦s time.> > > > > > Accident - 10th January 2005.> > > >

> > Shool Mahadasha ¡V TAURUS> > > Antardasha - TAURUS> > > >

> > 1) Saturn is there in 5th from AL. 3rd from AL has Sun & 8th > > >

from AL has Rahu aspected by Mars. Hence accident possibility is > > there>

> > 2) Taurus being the Mahadasha is justified as Taurus is the > > >

rashi which is the center of RUDRA Yog i.e. Taurus is aspected by > > >

Moon, Mars & Venus and hence conclusively dangerous for > > accidents. -"³ >

> > Mahadasha Principle is working> > > 3) Antardasha is also of

Taurus "³ 8th lord from Taurus > > > (Mahadasha rashi) Jupiter aspects

Taurus in D9 "³ Antardasha > > Principle > > > is working.> > > 4)

It was a near fatal accident and cause lot of suffering > > to > > > the

native "³ Rahu is in 8th from AL, It is also Atmakarka & > > Placed in > > >

the Rashi which is completely influenced by Rudra Yog.> > > 5)

Vehicle accident can be justified by involvement of > > Venus & > > >

Moon with reference to the 8th house from AL.> > > > > > I congratulate

you after giving this analysis as you have > > provided us > > > a really

important research. Using which one can really guide > > people > > > for

any forth coming danger.> > > > > > With the 2 case studies, I am fairly

confident about > > ¡¥Mahadasha¡¦ > > > principle, but for ¡§Antardasha¡¨

I may need to check few more as > > some > > > inconsistency is evident.>

> > > > > I want to be absolutely sure for ¡§Antardsha¡¨ because this is a

> > very > > > critical thing and before warning or guiding any body we

need to > > be > > > very sure about our base of predicting the event.>

> > > > > Correct me if I am wrong in understanding of the above case or >

> > concept.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Utpal Pathak >

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Namaste Pravinji,

 

Very well said. You are one of the few wise people in this divisional

chaos. The proof is in the pudding, meaning correct predictions. Thats

what jatak comes to the jyotishi for. The reason KN Rao has great

respect, also BV Raman, is because of many accurate predictions they

made which came true.Those who want to follow BHPS, great, even that

has to be tested with your own experience. Parashar mentions about

ashatakvarga ayurdaya. BV Raman in his books has described the

technique as mentioned in the classics but adds that this technique is

not found to be reliable measure of longevity calculations.So there

are things in BHPS that have been found by great scholars of yester

years to be not working. I contend that there could be a few more

things that do not work. I have found that dasha applied for

vargottama lagna does not pan out correctly in a few cases I have and

standard vimshottari works there quite well.That is my experience. In

case of vimshottari dasha and a rashi chart there are techniques

developed by great scholars who have a track record of excellent

predictions. I am on this list for the past few months and I do not

know who are the SJC gurus on the list. I can only guess from the

reactions I get when any of their methods are questioned. I have not

seen many of these gurus give too many predictions or succesfuly

identify past events.

 

Read the book called "I am that" by Nisargadatta maharaj. There he

says the only way to find out who you are is to find out who you are

not. Neti..Neti.. Jyotish in some sense is like that. I have no

problem testing new methods, but as I have said before, I have not

found the numorous lagnas and arudhas and divisionals, arudhas in

divisionals, dashas in even divisional amshas to be reliable and

their success rate for me has been quite low..Thay can create quite a

confusion, not much more, unless ofcouse when the event is known.So I

have gone through this neti..neti ... Not this ..Not this.. and the

method I have found to work in majority of the cases is vimshottari

dasha and relying mostly on rashi chart from lagna and moon. That is

my experience.I have put out this experience to the benefit of

students on the list....I have been able to identify past events in a

few cases I have given predictions to on this list and the credit goes

to my jyotish guru who is the Gold medalist of the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan and described by Charapani Ullal as the most brilliant

astrologer in the West. I have learned from him practical jyotish. He

insists that the hallmark of a good jyotishi is ,someone who can make

accurate predictions from the least number of parameters available.

Thats what I strive for....

 

....

 

On 4/15/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote:

> No, it is not like you had mentioned. Shri K.N.Rao never says, "His COIN

> alone is authentic". He always encourages research saying that 'astrology is

> a vast ocean' and one birth is a very short duration to understand even a

> little. He tests every concept exhaustively before forming an opinion about

> that. If you have read his books, you must know that he had great respect

> for Andhra astrologer Vemuri Ramamurthi, for his predictive calibre not for

> any mumbo-jumbo concepts. He had openly accepted him much superior to

> himself and tried to learn his methods with 'limited success'.

> About his anger, you may be partially right. Then you should know that many

> Indian Rashis (Vishwamitra, Parshuram etc.) too are known for their

> arrogance. It won't belittle their other qualities.He becomes angry for

> one's mercenary considerations only. B.V.Raman tried to force his Ayanamsa

> on K.N.Rao's school (for vested interests) which had irritated him. Anybody

> doing any damage to astrology always irritates him. As I know, he was

> irritated by misguiding translation of 'Upadesa Sutra' by Sanjay Rath and

> with many other faulty concepts of his school. Proper reply to such things

> is to prove usefulness of your concepts and as it is concerned with fortune

> telling, it can be nothing but predictions only.

> If you don't know, I will like to tell you that he had retired from one of

> india's premium civil service (IAAS). He had led a very simple life (like a

> saint) and didn't have enough money for buying a house in Delhi at the time

> of retirement. Others make millions in the same position. Then, he has

> devoted his life to re-establish astrology, like a rishi. That is why I call

> him a saint and a rishi astrologer. He never visits US to make millions by

> giving psychological bluff to ignorant westerners. For him, astrology is a

> 'Sadhana'.

> But all this should not be a point here. What I had emphasised is that

> astrology is a science / art of fortune telling. If you can't do that

> everythingelse is meaningless. Today's self proclaimed Gurus should

> demonstrate their predictive competence convincingly to justify their Guru

> status which they are never doing. I myself (and many others) had this

> experience here with two so called SJC gurus. Shri K.N.Rao never adorned

> himself with the word 'Guru'. He prefers to call himself as the guide /

> teacher interpreting higher meaning for the word 'guru'.

> Last but not the least, if you listen to Shri K.N.Rao speaking even for half

> an hour, you won't ask any more questions. This is all. I won't reply to any

> such mails any more.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> -

> utpal pathak

> vedic astrology

> 15, 04, 2005 5:42 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste

> Visit-->2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in

> TOTO

>

>

> Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar, Viswanadhm garu , Visti and all others,

>

> I have a book called 'Gospel of Sri Ramkrishna'. in that Sri Thakur

> says that the very big problem today is that everyone feels that "His

> COIN alone is authentic". The same problem seems to be persisting in

> Astrological faternity and may be in every arae one can think of.

>

> I have a lot of respect for Shri K.N.Rao & his scholarship. i have

> read few of his 'Astrological Journal' & web site articles. but at

> the same time I also had a great Shock when he had vehemently

> criticised Late Dr B.V.Raman in one of his article in 'JA' 2/3 years

> back. The Summary of the critcism was that Dr.Raman's life went in to

> projecting flase Ayanamsha and then in defence of it. and that he

> could make great predictions only in his Guru Mahadasha and so on...

>

> I don't know any inside story if there were any but one question is

> unanswered in my heart --> "can 'Rishi' of Indian culture mount such

> attacks even on their worst critics?" I don't if Dr Raman was also

> critical of Shro Rao.

>

> Till date i am not able to reconcile with the criticism he mounted on

> my most favourite (note- I use only Lahiri Ayanmansha and no Raman).

> Pl. don't mistake, I am not from any astrological group yet. this is

> my independant & unbiased informations/views.

>

> I really want to ask Shri Rao, why he was so critical openly to

> another Great like him who has even greater contribution as he was

> the first one to draw attention of learned people (from India & West)

> to the Vedic Astrology and was adamant & successful in defending

> claims of vedic astrology against all hostile attacks in those days.

>

> I want to herewith inform you that I have started from Rashi &

> Chandra Lagna,Transit, Vimshottari & then was intorduced to Important

> of Navmansha then in the line came Ashtakvarga, Amsastrength,

> Charkarka (7), Char Dahsa, Rashi Drashti concept, I kept on going

> forward and found another diamonds and jewels such as Argala, Arudha,

> Narayandasha and other Dasha, Kalchakra, CK (8),Interpretation of D10

> etc. independantly,Thithi Varsha Pravesh chart, I want to go still

> further to see anyting else us there deep.

>

> I am also testing the new jewels as a habit before accepting it.

> about that i can say that I have no dowbt about practical use of

> ARGALA, Arudha principle to one's advantage and also Sadesati from

> D10 Rashi chart regarding career matter.

>

> I seek apology for writing something which is not proportionate to my

> kowkedge / experience.

>

> best regads,

>

> Pathak

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > Dear Panditji,

> > I agree 100%. Standard methodology of Shri K.N.Rao is Rasi,

> Navamsa, Ashtakvarga and Vimshottari. Based on it, he will tells some

> past trends correctly which many people have witnessed. I too

> experienced it sometimes in early 90's. Hence, if anybody wants to

> test any rules, he / she should follow this method. Say, you want to

> test a rule for predicting marriage. You select 50 horoscopes without

> knowing the facts. You do your assessment, match it with the actual

> facts and then draw your conclusions.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > -

> > Panditji

> > vedic astrology

> > 14, 04, 2005 5:51 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit -->

> 2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Have you tested just plain old vanilla flavor rashi chart from

> lagna

> > and chandra and vimshotaari dasha and navansha to ascertain amsha

> > strength. Many answer are found in these in 8 out of 10 cases of

> day

> > to day jataka queries. Go into these other techniques that have

> been

> > tested by authentic institutions like Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan (

> Wehre KN

> > Rao teaches). Test it for yourself and come to your own

> conclusions.

> > Experience is the best teacher. Also be aware that jyotish does

> not

> > reveal everything and some things just can not be seen in a chart,

> > that is called adrishta, and one needs yearas of sadhana to get

> that

> > drishi of the adrishta.

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 4/13/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Praveen Kumar,

> > >

> > > This is a issue which is not getting settled with me. I was

> only having

> > > knowledge of 7 Charkarka scheme before i came in contact with

> SJC-Mumbai

> > > Conference.

> > >

> > > Infact i was under impression that Jupiter in my chart is

> AMATYAKARKA (7

> > > scheme) and now jupiter mahadasha has started from nov-2004

> which should

> > > boost my career. I started my independent business in April

> 2004.

> > >

> > > After knowing 8CK scheme, i understood that My AMK is Rahu &

> not Jupiter.

> > > Now intresting thing in favour of 8 CK scheme is that JU

> becomes BK and

> > > indicator of "Guru" in the life and if i tell you my personal

> experience

> > > then I "Guru" came in my life only after My Ju mahadasha

> started. i.e. I

> > > accepted Thakur Shri RamKrishna as my Guru. I also came in

> contact with SJC

> > > only in Jan 2005.

> > >

> > > so the above things are in favour of 8CK scheme. even if we see

> The

> > > "Natives" horoscope for whom i have given details then one

> point is notable

> > > that he prosperoured tremendeously during last 5/6 years in

> Saturn Mahadasha

> > > and Saturn becomes his AMK as per 8CK scheme.

> > >

> > > I am going thro' various horoscopes and it may take some time

> to practically

> > > see the usefulness of 7 or 8ck.

> > >

> > > My own Guru mahadasha may also make things some what clear but

> it'll take

> > > time.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Pathak

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Your D-10 analysis is very good and may be correct. See mars

> and Sat aspect

> > > 10th house in Rasi chart too. But, use D-10 only for

> confirmation. Also, use

> > > 7 charakarakas without Rahu. This is followed by Shri K.N.Rao

> and is what I

> > > have faith in.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > utpal pathak

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 12, 04, 2005 2:06 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near

> > > FatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Praveen Kumar,

> > >

> > > Recorded TOB is 8.43 PM.

> > >

> > > I know the native only very recently due to business dealings.

> Hene I

> > > only know his Nature of Business very well.

> > >

> > > BUSINESS : - ELECTRICAL CONTROL PANEL MFG. + LICENCED

> ELECTRICAL

> > > CONTRACTOR.

> > >

> > > I rectified the time on the bases of D10 as I felt Leo Lagna in

> D10

> > > suits more to his activities due to following points

> > > 1) 3rd house has Mars-Ketu-Budha combination which can explain

> his

> > > Electriacal Contractor ship

> > > 2) Mars & Saturn also aspects 10th which explains dealing in

> > > Electriacl as well as Iron work (Panel of Mild Steel). It may

> also

> > > justify control over Labour class.

> > > 3) All the 3 houses of desires are having planets and he is in

> > > business from young age.

> > > 4) Saturn as Amatyakarka placed in Lagna.

> > >

> > > correct me for any mis-understanding on my part

> > >

> > > Utpal

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > > On what basis you had added 29 seconds ? Please give original

> TOB

> > > too. The horoscope appears to be correct.

> > > >

> > > > See:

> > > > 1) 4th lord with Mars

> > > > 2) Venus with Mars

> > > > 3) From Moon, Venus-Mars in the 4th.

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > -

> > > > utpal pathak

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > 11, 04, 2005 8:38 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near Fatal

> > > Accident case/Principle is working in TOTO

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I am Providing you another case of Car accident where

> Mahadasha &

> > > > Antardasha both principles have worked.

> > > >

> > > > 2nd Near Fatal car accident case

> > > >

> > > > Data of the Native ¡V 18.12.1965, 8.43.29 PM, 75E49,

> 26N55

> > > India.

> > > >

> > > > The native is a Businessman & had a Head On Collision with

> > > another

> > > > Car while he was going in his car. It was a very serious

> > > accident .

> > > > the Native was in ICU for 8 to 10 days. Lot of bones have

> broken

> > > &

> > > > injuries on face also but now recovering & may start doing

> > > activities

> > > > in another Month¡¦s time.

> > > >

> > > > Accident - 10th January 2005.

> > > >

> > > > Shool Mahadasha ¡V TAURUS

> > > > Antardasha - TAURUS

> > > >

> > > > 1) Saturn is there in 5th from AL. 3rd from AL has Sun

> & 8th

> > > > from AL has Rahu aspected by Mars. Hence accident

> possibility is

> > > there

> > > > 2) Taurus being the Mahadasha is justified as Taurus

> is the

> > > > rashi which is the center of RUDRA Yog i.e. Taurus is

> aspected by

> > > > Moon, Mars & Venus and hence conclusively dangerous for

> > > accidents. -"³

> > > > Mahadasha Principle is working

> > > > 3) Antardasha is also of Taurus "³ 8th lord from

> Taurus

> > > > (Mahadasha rashi) Jupiter aspects Taurus in D9 "³

> Antardasha

> > > Principle

> > > > is working.

> > > > 4) It was a near fatal accident and cause lot of

> suffering

> > > to

> > > > the native "³ Rahu is in 8th from AL, It is also Atmakarka

> &

> > > Placed in

> > > > the Rashi which is completely influenced by Rudra Yog.

> > > > 5) Vehicle accident can be justified by involvement

> of

> > > Venus &

> > > > Moon with reference to the 8th house from AL.

> > > >

> > > > I congratulate you after giving this analysis as you have

> > > provided us

> > > > a really important research. Using which one can really

> guide

> > > people

> > > > for any forth coming danger.

> > > >

> > > > With the 2 case studies, I am fairly confident about

> > > ¡¥Mahadasha¡¦

> > > > principle, but for ¡§Antardasha¡¨ I may need to check few

> more as

> > > some

> > > > inconsistency is evident.

> > > >

> > > > I want to be absolutely sure for ¡§Antardsha¡¨ because this

> is a

> > > very

> > > > critical thing and before warning or guiding any body we

> need to

> > > be

> > > > very sure about our base of predicting the event.

> > > >

> > > > Correct me if I am wrong in understanding of the above case

> or

> > > > concept.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Utpal Pathak

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I am also of the same opinion that Right or near accurate predictions and right

GUIDANCE to the people alone is a hallmark of a Jyotishi. predictive

methods,Techniques & principles should be tested comprehensively before forming

an opinion. and as said earlier i follow the same personally.

 

I have not written on behalf of SJC as i am not the member of the group yet but

as you are stressing on correct predictions, does it mean that SJC Doesn't have

record of correct predictions and the methods they are proposing doesn't have

any basis. are you saying that they are fake jyotishi's? I am also fairly new

to the list, 3 or 4 months. I have observed that at least they reveal their

Methods / Techniques openly and don't shy away from giving it to the list. but

I haven't seen that from you. does you techniques should only be revealed to

'Saintly' people. don't you feel that all the intrested keen student of

astrology deserves the time tested jyotish principle from you?

 

for ex- you haven't given reply to Visti's mail about Ashtak Varga Technique.

 

regards,

 

Pathak

Panditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Pravinji,Very well said. You are one of the few wise people in this

divisionalchaos. The proof is in the pudding, meaning correct predictions.

Thatswhat jatak comes to the jyotishi for. The reason KN Rao has greatrespect,

also BV Raman, is because of many accurate predictions theymade which came

true.Those who want to follow BHPS, great, even thathas to be tested with your

own experience. Parashar mentions aboutashatakvarga ayurdaya. BV Raman in his

books has described thetechnique as mentioned in the classics but adds that

this technique isnot found to be reliable measure of longevity calculations.So

thereare things in BHPS that have been found by great scholars of yesteryears

to be not working. I contend that there could be a few morethings that do not

work. I have found that dasha applied forvargottama lagna does

not pan out correctly in a few cases I have andstandard vimshottari works there

quite well.That is my experience. Incase of vimshottari dasha and a rashi chart

there are techniquesdeveloped by great scholars who have a track record of

excellentpredictions. I am on this list for the past few months and I do

notknow who are the SJC gurus on the list. I can only guess from thereactions I

get when any of their methods are questioned. I have notseen many of these gurus

give too many predictions or succesfulyidentify past events.Read the book called

"I am that" by Nisargadatta maharaj. There hesays the only way to find out who

you are is to find out who you arenot. Neti..Neti.. Jyotish in some sense is

like that. I have noproblem testing new methods, but as I have said before, I

have notfound the numorous lagnas and arudhas and divisionals, arudhas

indivisionals, dashas in even divisional amshas to be reliable andtheir

success rate for me has been quite low..Thay can create quite aconfusion, not

much more, unless ofcouse when the event is known.So Ihave gone through this

neti..neti ... Not this ..Not this.. and themethod I have found to work in

majority of the cases is vimshottaridasha and relying mostly on rashi chart

from lagna and moon. That ismy experience.I have put out this experience to the

benefit ofstudents on the list....I have been able to identify past events in

afew cases I have given predictions to on this list and the credit goesto my

jyotish guru who is the Gold medalist of the Bharatiya VidyaBhavan and

described by Charapani Ullal as the most brilliantastrologer in the West. I

have learned from him practical jyotish. Heinsists that the hallmark of a good

jyotishi is ,someone who can makeaccurate predictions from the least number of

parameters available.Thats what I strive for.......On 4/15/05, Praveen Kumar

<chunnu2001 (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:> No, it is not like you had mentioned. Shri K.N.Rao

never says, "His COIN> alone is authentic". He always encourages research saying

that 'astrology is> a vast ocean' and one birth is a very short duration to

understand even a> little. He tests every concept exhaustively before forming

an opinion about> that. If you have read his books, you must know that he had

great respect> for Andhra astrologer Vemuri Ramamurthi, for his predictive

calibre not for> any mumbo-jumbo concepts. He had openly accepted him much

superior to> himself and tried to learn his methods with 'limited success'.>

About his anger, you may be partially right. Then you should know that many>

Indian Rashis (Vishwamitra, Parshuram etc.) too are known for their> arrogance.

It won't belittle their other qualities.He becomes angry for> one's mercenary

considerations only. B.V.Raman tried to force his

Ayanamsa> on K.N.Rao's school (for vested interests) which had irritated him.

Anybody> doing any damage to astrology always irritates him. As I know, he was>

irritated by misguiding translation of 'Upadesa Sutra' by Sanjay Rath and> with

many other faulty concepts of his school. Proper reply to such things> is to

prove usefulness of your concepts and as it is concerned with fortune> telling,

it can be nothing but predictions only. > If you don't know, I will like to tell

you that he had retired from one of> india's premium civil service (IAAS). He

had led a very simple life (like a> saint) and didn't have enough money for

buying a house in Delhi at the time> of retirement. Others make millions in the

same position. Then, he has> devoted his life to re-establish astrology, like a

rishi. That is why I call> him a saint and a rishi astrologer. He never visits

US to make millions by> giving

psychological bluff to ignorant westerners. For him, astrology is a> 'Sadhana'.

> But all this should not be a point here. What I had emphasised is that>

astrology is a science / art of fortune telling. If you can't do that>

everythingelse is meaningless. Today's self proclaimed Gurus should>

demonstrate their predictive competence convincingly to justify their Guru>

status which they are never doing. I myself (and many others) had this>

experience here with two so called SJC gurus. Shri K.N.Rao never adorned>

himself with the word 'Guru'. He prefers to call himself as the guide />

teacher interpreting higher meaning for the word 'guru'.> Last but not the

least, if you listen to Shri K.N.Rao speaking even for half> an hour, you won't

ask any more questions. This is all. I won't reply to any> such mails any more.>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) >

- > utpal pathak > To:

vedic astrology > 15, 04, 2005 5:42 PM> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Namaste> Visit-->2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is

working in> TOTO> > > Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar, Viswanadhm garu , Visti and

all others,> > I have a book called 'Gospel of Sri Ramkrishna'. in that Sri

Thakur > says that the very big problem today is that everyone feels that "His

> COIN alone is authentic". The same problem seems to be persisting in >

Astrological faternity and may be in every arae one can think of.> > I have a

lot of respect for Shri K.N.Rao & his scholarship. i have > read few of his

'Astrological Journal' & web site articles. but at > the same time I also had a

great Shock when he had vehemently > criticised Late Dr B.V.Raman in one of his

article in 'JA' 2/3 years

> back. The Summary of the critcism was that Dr.Raman's life went in to >

projecting flase Ayanamsha and then in defence of it. and that he > could make

great predictions only in his Guru Mahadasha and so on...> > I don't know any

inside story if there were any but one question is > unanswered in my heart -->

"can 'Rishi' of Indian culture mount such > attacks even on their worst

critics?" I don't if Dr Raman was also > critical of Shro Rao.> > Till date i

am not able to reconcile with the criticism he mounted on > my most favourite

(note- I use only Lahiri Ayanmansha and no Raman). > Pl. don't mistake, I am

not from any astrological group yet. this is > my independant & unbiased

informations/views.> > I really want to ask Shri Rao, why he was so critical

openly to > another Great like him who has even greater contribution as he was

> the first one to draw

attention of learned people (from India & West)> to the Vedic Astrology and was

adamant & successful in defending > claims of vedic astrology against all

hostile attacks in those days.> > I want to herewith inform you that I have

started from Rashi & > Chandra Lagna,Transit, Vimshottari & then was intorduced

to Important > of Navmansha then in the line came Ashtakvarga, Amsastrength, >

Charkarka (7), Char Dahsa, Rashi Drashti concept, I kept on going > forward and

found another diamonds and jewels such as Argala, Arudha, > Narayandasha and

other Dasha, Kalchakra, CK (8),Interpretation of D10 > etc.

independantly,Thithi Varsha Pravesh chart, I want to go still > further to see

anyting else us there deep.> > I am also testing the new jewels as a habit

before accepting it. > about that i can say that I have no dowbt about

practical use of > ARGALA, Arudha principle

to one's advantage and also Sadesati from > D10 Rashi chart regarding career

matter.> > I seek apology for writing something which is not proportionate to

my > kowkedge / experience.> > best regads,> > Pathak > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> >

Dear Panditji,> > I agree 100%. Standard methodology of Shri K.N.Rao is Rasi, >

Navamsa, Ashtakvarga and Vimshottari. Based on it, he will tells some > past

trends correctly which many people have witnessed. I too > experienced it

sometimes in early 90's. Hence, if anybody wants to > test any rules, he / she

should follow this method. Say, you want to > test a rule for predicting

marriage. You select 50 horoscopes without > knowing the facts. You do your

assessment, match it with the actual > facts and then draw

your conclusions.> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)> > ----- Original Message

----- > > Panditji > > vedic astrology > >

14, 04, 2005 5:51 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste

Visit --> > 2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO> > > > > >

Namaste,> > > > Have you tested just plain old vanilla flavor rashi chart

from > lagna> > and chandra and vimshotaari dasha and navansha to ascertain

amsha> > strength. Many answer are found in these in 8 out of 10 cases of >

day> > to day jataka queries. Go into these other techniques that have >

been> > tested by authentic institutions like Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan ( >

Wehre KN> > Rao teaches). Test it for yourself and come to your own >

conclusions.> > Experience is the best teacher. Also be aware that jyotish

does > not> > reveal everything and some things just can not be seen in a

chart,> > that is called adrishta, and one needs yearas of sadhana to get >

that> > drishi of the adrishta.> > > > ...> > > > On 4/13/05, Utpal

Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Praveen Kumar,> > > >

> > This is a issue which is not getting settled with me. I was > only

having> > > knowledge of 7 Charkarka scheme before i came in contact with >

SJC-Mumbai> > > Conference.>

> > > > > Infact i was under impression that Jupiter in my chart is >

AMATYAKARKA (7> > > scheme) and now jupiter mahadasha has started from

nov-2004 > which should> > > boost my career. I started my independent

business in April > 2004.> > > > > > After knowing 8CK scheme, i

understood that My AMK is Rahu & > not Jupiter.> > > Now intresting thing in

favour of 8 CK scheme is that JU > becomes BK and> > > indicator of "Guru" in

the life and if i tell you my personal > experience> > > then I "Guru" came in

my life only after My Ju mahadasha > started. i.e. I> > > accepted Thakur Shri

RamKrishna as my Guru. I also came in > contact with SJC> > > only

in Jan 2005.> > > > > > so the above things are in favour of 8CK scheme.

even if we see > The> > > "Natives" horoscope for whom i have given details

then one > point is notable> > > that he prosperoured tremendeously during

last 5/6 years in > Saturn Mahadasha> > > and Saturn becomes his AMK as per

8CK scheme.> > > > > > I am going thro' various horoscopes and it may take

some time > to practically> > > see the usefulness of 7 or 8ck.> > > > >

> My own Guru mahadasha may also make things some what clear but > it'll take>

> > time.> > > > > > regards,> > > >

> > Pathak> > > > > > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> > > > >

> Your D-10 analysis is very good and may be correct. See mars > and Sat

aspect> > > 10th house in Rasi chart too. But, use D-10 only for >

confirmation. Also, use> > > 7 charakarakas without Rahu. This is followed by

Shri K.N.Rao > and is what I> > > have faith in.> > > > > > Praveen Kumar

(Mumbai)> > > - > > > utpal pathak > > >

vedic astrology > > > 12, 04, 2005 2:06 PM> > >

[vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near> >

> FatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO> > > > > > > > > > > >

Namaste Praveen Kumar,> > > > > > Recorded TOB is 8.43 PM.> > > > > > I

know the native only very recently due to business dealings. > Hene I > > >

only know his Nature of Business very well.> > > > > > BUSINESS : -

ELECTRICAL CONTROL PANEL MFG. + LICENCED > ELECTRICAL > > > CONTRACTOR.> >

> > > > I rectified the time on the bases of D10 as I felt Leo Lagna in > D10

> > > suits more to his activities due to following points> > > 1) 3rd house

has Mars-Ketu-Budha combination which can explain

> his > > > Electriacal Contractor ship> > > 2) Mars & Saturn also aspects

10th which explains dealing in > > > Electriacl as well as Iron work (Panel

of Mild Steel). It may > also > > > justify control over Labour class.> > >

3) All the 3 houses of desires are having planets and he is in > > > business

from young age.> > > 4) Saturn as Amatyakarka placed in Lagna.> > > > > >

correct me for any mis-understanding on my part> > > > > > Utpal> > > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar > > >

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> > > > On what basis you

had added 29 seconds ? Please give original > TOB > > > too. The horoscope

appears to be correct.> > > > > > > > See: > > > > 1) 4th lord with Mars>

> > > 2) Venus with Mars> > > > 3) From Moon, Venus-Mars in the 4th.> > >

> > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)> > > > - > >

> > utpal pathak > > > > vedic astrology > >

> > 11, 04, 2005 8:38 PM> > > > [vedic astrology] Namaste

Visit --> 2nd Near Fatal > > > Accident case/Principle is working in TOTO> >

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,> > > > Namaste,> >

> > > > > > I am Providing you another case of Car accident where >

Mahadasha & > > > > Antardasha both principles have worked.> > > > > >

> > 2nd Near Fatal car accident case> > > > > > > > Data of the Native

¡V 18.12.1965, 8.43.29 PM, 75E49, > 26N55 > > > India.> > > > > > >

> The native is a Businessman & had a Head On Collision with > > >

another > > > > Car while he was going in his car. It was a very serious > >

> accident . > > > > the Native was in ICU for 8 to 10 days. Lot of bones

have > broken > > > & > > > > injuries on face also but now recovering &

may start doing > > > activities > > > > in another Month¡¦s time.> > >

> > > > > Accident - 10th January 2005.> > > > > > > > Shool

Mahadasha ¡V TAURUS> > > > Antardasha - TAURUS> > > > > > > >

1)

Saturn is there in 5th from AL. 3rd from AL has Sun > & 8th > > > > from AL

has Rahu aspected by Mars. Hence accident > possibility is > > > there> > >

> 2) Taurus being the Mahadasha is justified as Taurus > is the > > > >

rashi which is the center of RUDRA Yog i.e. Taurus is > aspected by > > > >

Moon, Mars & Venus and hence conclusively dangerous for > > > accidents. -"³

> > > > Mahadasha Principle is working> > > > 3) Antardasha is

also of Taurus "³ 8th lord from > Taurus > > > > (Mahadasha rashi) Jupiter

aspects Taurus in D9 "³ > Antardasha

> > > Principle > > > > is working.> > > > 4) It was a near fatal

accident and cause lot of > suffering > > > to > > > > the native "³ Rahu

is in 8th from AL, It is also Atmakarka > & > > > Placed in > > > > the

Rashi which is completely influenced by Rudra Yog.> > > > 5) Vehicle

accident can be justified by involvement > of > > > Venus & > > > > Moon

with reference to the 8th house from AL.> > > > > > > > I congratulate you

after giving this analysis as you have > >

> provided us > > > > a really important research. Using which one can

really > guide > > > people > > > > for any forth coming danger.> > > >

> > > > With the 2 case studies, I am fairly confident about > > >

¡¥Mahadasha¡¦ > > > > principle, but for ¡§Antardasha¡¨ I may need to check

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> > I want to be absolutely sure for ¡§Antardsha¡¨ because this > is a > >

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need to >

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Dear Utpal

 

I was a member of this group just like not long ago. I joined in 2001

september. I argued relentlessly on usage of arudhas and divisionals

with Sanjayji and Narasimha Ji. Luckily they had time to engage my

tiny brain then. Finally i just said to myself ok, let me try them

before arguing. I used them without any bias and got good results. I

made quite a few predictions, i used to participate in blind charts in

other groups also(Muruga, Jyotishvidya etc) where many a times i was

correct. After almost one year i joined SJC , and after a

few months in may 2003 i was made a guru. I was surprised to say the

least as i felt that i didnot have enough knowledge at that point of

time. But i continued and am still continuing. Many of my students ask

questions, to which i answer and also forward the same to the groups

for the benefit of others. This has been the pattern of many gurus, be

it my friend Visti, or Sarajit ji or anyone. Why forget Narasimha the

great soul who gave away lot of traditional knowledge, a free mega

software and what not. Now Sanjayji has given away his best book

Narayana dasa free for download. After all these years, you tell me,

whether anyone wants to stay in well or join the Ocean, the choice is

theirs.

 

People may fool around for one life time, few lifetimes or several

lifetimes. They may not accept new theories that easily. even i didnot

for close to two years. The reason was simple. I myself belong to a

astrology family. I learnt my astrology from Grandfather;s books and

also Shri B.V.Raman's books and articles. So it was initially very

difficult to accept the various concepts, but i decided one day that i

should not fool around for another life time.

 

Some guys think that by holding a Ph.D in technical subjects make them

superior creatures. All this self boosting will be brought to nill

before the Divine will. I only pray to God to give them wisdom.

 

My mom used to tell the Kumbhakarna in me that a person asleep can be

woken up, but one pretending to be asleep can never be woken up.

best wishes

partha

 

 

On 4/16/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar,

>

> I am also of the same opinion that Right or near accurate predictions and

> right GUIDANCE to the people alone is a hallmark of a Jyotishi. predictive

> methods,Techniques & principles should be tested comprehensively before

> forming an opinion. and as said earlier i follow the same personally.

>

> I have not written on behalf of SJC as i am not the member of the group yet

> but as you are stressing on correct predictions, does it mean that SJC

> Doesn't have record of correct predictions and the methods they are

> proposing doesn't have any basis. are you saying that they are fake

> jyotishi's? I am also fairly new to the list, 3 or 4 months. I have

> observed that at least they reveal their Methods / Techniques openly and

> don't shy away from giving it to the list. but I haven't seen that from you.

> does you techniques should only be revealed to 'Saintly' people. don't you

> feel that all the intrested keen student of astrology deserves the time

> tested jyotish principle from you?

>

> for ex- you haven't given reply to Visti's mail about Ashtak Varga

> Technique.

>

> regards,

>

> Pathak

>

>

> Panditji <navagraha wrote:

> Namaste Pravinji,

>

> Very well said. You are one of the few wise people in this divisional

> chaos. The proof is in the pudding, meaning correct predictions. Thats

> what jatak comes to the jyotishi for. The reason KN Rao has great

> respect, also BV Raman, is because of many accurate predictions they

> made which came true.Those who want to follow BHPS, great, even that

> has to be tested with your own experience. Parashar mentions about

> ashatakvarga ayurdaya. BV Raman in his books has described the

> technique as mentioned in the classics but adds that this technique is

> not found to be reliable measure of longevity calculations.So there

> are things in BHPS that have been found by great scholars of yester

> years to be not working. I contend that there could be a few more

> things that do not work. I have found that dasha applied for

> vargottama lagna does not pan out correctly in a few cases I have and

> standard vimshottari works there quite well.That is my experience. In

> case of vimshottari dasha and a rashi chart there are techniques

> developed by great scholars who have a track record of excellent

> predictions. I am on this list for the past few months and I do not

> know who are the SJC gurus on the list. I can only guess from the

> reactions I get when any of their methods are questioned. I have not

> seen many of these gurus give too many predictions or succesfuly

> identify past events.

>

> Read the book called "I am that" by Nisargadatta maharaj. There he

> says the only way to find out who you are is to find out who you are

> not. Neti..Neti.. Jyotish in some sense is like that. I have no

> problem testing new methods, but as I have said before, I have not

> found the numorous lagnas and arudhas and divisionals, arudhas in

> divisionals, dashas in even divisional amshas to be reliable and

> their success rate for me has been quite low..Thay can create quite a

> confusion, not much more, unless ofcouse when the event is known.So I

> have gone through this neti..neti ... Not this ..Not this.. and the

> method I have found to work in majority of the cases is vimshottari

> dasha and relying mostly on rashi chart from lagna and moon. That is

> my experience.I have put out this experience to the benefit of

> students on the list....I have been able to identify past events in a

> few cases I have given predictions to on this list and the credit goes

> to my jyotish guru who is the Gold medalist of the Bharatiya Vidya

> Bhavan and described by Charapani Ullal as the most brilliant

> astrologer in the West. I have learned from him practical jyotish. He

> insists that the hallmark of a good jyotishi is ,someone who can make

> accurate predictions from the least number of parameters available.

> Thats what I strive for....

>

> ...

>

> On 4/15/05, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote:

> > No, it is not like you had mentioned. Shri K.N.Rao never says, "His COIN

> > alone is authentic". He always encourages research saying that 'astrology

> is

> > a vast ocean' and one birth is a very short duration to understand even a

> > little. He tests every concept exhaustively before forming an opinion

> about

> > that. If you have read his books, you must know that he had great respect

> > for Andhra astrologer Vemuri Ramamurthi, for his predictive calibre not

> for

> > any mumbo-jumbo concepts. He had openly accepted him much superior to

> > himself and tried to learn his methods with 'limited success'.

> > About his anger, you may be partially right. Then you should know that

> many

> > Indian Rashis (Vishwamitra, Parshuram etc.) too are known for their

> > arrogance. It won't belittle their other qualities.He becomes angry for

> > one's mercenary considerations only. B.V.Raman tried to force his Ayanamsa

> > on K.N.Rao's school (for vested interests) which had irritated him.

> Anybody

> > doing any damage to astrology always irritates him. As I know, he was

> > irritated by misguiding translation of 'Upadesa Sutra' by Sanjay Rath and

> > with many other faulty concepts of his school. Proper reply to such things

> > is to prove usefulness of your concepts and as it is concerned with

> fortune

> > telling, it can be nothing but predictions only.

> > If you don't know, I will like to tell you that he had retired from one of

> > india's premium civil service (IAAS). He had led a very simple life (like

> a

> > saint) and didn't have enough money for buying a house in Delhi at the

> time

> > of retirement. Others make millions in the same position. Then, he has

> > devoted his life to re-establish astrology, like a rishi. That is why I

> call

> > him a saint and a rishi astrologer. He never visits US to make millions by

> > giving psychological bluff to ignorant westerners. For him, astrology is a

> > 'Sadhana'.

> > But all this should not be a point here. What I had emphasised is that

> > astrology is a science / art of fortune telling. If you can't do that

> > everythingelse is meaningless. Today's self proclaimed Gurus should

> > demonstrate their predictive competence convincingly to justify their Guru

> > status which they are never doing. I myself (and many others) had this

> > experience here with two so called SJC gurus. Shri K.N.Rao never adorned

> > himself with the word 'Guru'. He prefers to call himself as the guide /

> > teacher interpreting higher meaning for the word 'guru'.

> > Last but not the least, if you listen to Shri K.N.Rao speaking even for

> half

> > an hour, you won't ask any more questions. This is all. I won't reply to

> any

> > such mails any more.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > -

> > utpal pathak

> > vedic astrology

> > 15, 04, 2005 5:42 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste

> > Visit-->2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in

> > TOTO

> >

> >

> > Dear Panditji, Praveen Kumar, Viswanadhm garu , Visti and all others,

> >

> > I have a book called 'Gospel of Sri Ramkrishna'. in that Sri Thakur

> > says that the very big problem today is that everyone feels that "His

> > COIN alone is authentic". The same problem seems to be persisting in

> > Astrological faternity and may be in every arae one can think of.

> >

> > I have a lot of respect for Shri K.N.Rao & his scholarship. i have

> > read few of his 'Astrological Journal' & web site articles. but at

> > the same time I also had a great Shock when he had vehemently

> > criticised Late Dr B.V.Raman in one of his article in 'JA' 2/3 years

> > back. The Summary of the critcism was that Dr.Raman's life went in to

> > projecting flase Ayanamsha and then in defence of it. and that he

> > could make great predictions only in his Guru Mahadasha and so on...

> >

> > I don't know any inside story if there were any but one question is

> > unanswered in my heart --> "can 'Rishi' of Indian culture mount such

> > attacks even on their worst critics?" I don't if Dr Raman was also

> > critical of Shro Rao.

> >

> > Till date i am not able to reconcile with the criticism he mounted on

> > my most favourite (note- I use only Lahiri Ayanmansha and no Raman).

> > Pl. don't mistake, I am not from any astrological group yet. this is

> > my independant & unbiased informations/views.

> >

> > I really want to ask Shri Rao, why he was so critical openly to

> > another Great like him who has even greater contribution as he was

> > the first one to draw attention of learned people (from India & West)

> > to the Vedic Astrology and was adamant & successful in defending

> > claims of vedic astrology against all hostile attacks in those days.

> >

> > I want to herewith inform you that I have started from Rashi &

> > Chandra Lagna,Transit, Vimshottari & then was intorduced to Important

> > of Navmansha then in the line came Ashtakvarga, Amsastrength,

> > Charkarka (7), Char Dahsa, Rashi Drashti concept, I kept on going

> > forward and found another diamonds and jewels such as Argala, Arudha,

> > Narayandasha and other Dasha, Kalchakra, CK (8),Interpretation of D10

> > etc. independantly,Thithi Varsha Pravesh chart, I want to go still

> > further to see anyting else us there deep.

> >

> > I am also testing the new jewels as a habit before accepting it.

> > about that i can say that I have no dowbt about practical use of

> > ARGALA, Arudha principle to one's advantage and also Sadesati from

> > D10 Rashi chart regarding career matter.

> >

> > I seek apology for writing something which is not proportionate to my

> > kowkedge / experience.

> >

> > best regads,

> >

> > Pathak

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > I agree 100%. Standard methodology of Shri K.N.Rao is Rasi,

> > Navamsa, Ashtakvarga and Vimshottari. Based on it, he will tells some

> > past trends correctly which many people have witnessed. I too

> > experienced it sometimes in early 90's. Hence, if anybody wants to

> > test any rules, he / she should follow this method. Say, you want to

> > test a rule for predicting marriage. You select 50 horoscopes without

> > knowing the facts. You do your assessment, match it with the actual

> > facts and then draw your conclusions.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > Panditji

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 14, 04, 2005 5:51 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit -->

> > 2ndNearFatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Have you tested just plain old vanilla flavor rashi chart from

> > lagna

> > > and chandra and vimshotaari dasha and navansha to ascertain amsha

> > > strength. Many answer are found in these in 8 out of 10 cases of

> > day

> > > to day jataka queries. Go into these other techniques that have

> > been

> > > tested by authentic institutions like Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan (

> > Wehre KN

> > > Rao teaches). Test it for yourself and come to your own

> > conclusions.

> > > Experience is the best teacher. Also be aware that jyotish does

> > not

> > > reveal everything and some things just can not be seen in a chart,

> > > that is called adrishta, and one needs yearas of sadhana to get

> > that

> > > drishi of the adrishta.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > On 4/13/05, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Praveen Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > This is a issue which is not getting settled with me. I was

> > only having

> > > > knowledge of 7 Charkarka scheme before i came in contact with

> > SJC-Mumbai

> > > > Conference.

> > > >

> > > > Infact i was under impression that Jupiter in my chart is

> > AMATYAKARKA (7

> > > > scheme) and now jupiter mahadasha has started from nov-2004

> > which should

> > > > boost my career. I started my independent business in April

> > 2004.

> > > >

> > > > After knowing 8CK scheme, i understood that My AMK is Rahu &

> > not Jupiter.

> > > > Now intresting thing in favour of 8 CK scheme is that JU

> > becomes BK and

> > > > indicator of "Guru" in the life and if i tell you my personal

> > experience

> > > > then I "Guru" came in my life only after My Ju mahadasha

> > started. i.e. I

> > > > accepted Thakur Shri RamKrishna as my Guru. I also came in

> > contact with SJC

> > > > only in Jan 2005.

> > > >

> > > > so the above things are in favour of 8CK scheme. even if we see

> > The

> > > > "Natives" horoscope for whom i have given details then one

> > point is notable

> > > > that he prosperoured tremendeously during last 5/6 years in

> > Saturn Mahadasha

> > > > and Saturn becomes his AMK as per 8CK scheme.

> > > >

> > > > I am going thro' various horoscopes and it may take some time

> > to practically

> > > > see the usefulness of 7 or 8ck.

> > > >

> > > > My own Guru mahadasha may also make things some what clear but

> > it'll take

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pathak

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Your D-10 analysis is very good and may be correct. See mars

> > and Sat aspect

> > > > 10th house in Rasi chart too. But, use D-10 only for

> > confirmation. Also, use

> > > > 7 charakarakas without Rahu. This is followed by Shri K.N.Rao

> > and is what I

> > > > have faith in.

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > -

> > > > utpal pathak

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > 12, 04, 2005 2:06 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near

> > > > FatalAccidentcase/Principle is working in TOTO

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Praveen Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > Recorded TOB is 8.43 PM.

> > > >

> > > > I know the native only very recently due to business dealings.

> > Hene I

> > > > only know his Nature of Business very well.

> > > >

> > > > BUSINESS : - ELECTRICAL CONTROL PANEL MFG. + LICENCED

> > ELECTRICAL

> > > > CONTRACTOR.

> > > >

> > > > I rectified the time on the bases of D10 as I felt Leo Lagna in

> > D10

> > > > suits more to his activities due to following points

> > > > 1) 3rd house has Mars-Ketu-Budha combination which can explain

> > his

> > > > Electriacal Contractor ship

> > > > 2) Mars & Saturn also aspects 10th which explains dealing in

> > > > Electriacl as well as Iron work (Panel of Mild Steel). It may

> > also

> > > > justify control over Labour class.

> > > > 3) All the 3 houses of desires are having planets and he is in

> > > > business from young age.

> > > > 4) Saturn as Amatyakarka placed in Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > correct me for any mis-understanding on my part

> > > >

> > > > Utpal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar

> > > > <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > > > > On what basis you had added 29 seconds ? Please give original

> > TOB

> > > > too. The horoscope appears to be correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > See:

> > > > > 1) 4th lord with Mars

> > > > > 2) Venus with Mars

> > > > > 3) From Moon, Venus-Mars in the 4th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > -

> > > > > utpal pathak

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > 11, 04, 2005 8:38 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Namaste Visit --> 2nd Near Fatal

> > > > Accident case/Principle is working in TOTO

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am Providing you another case of Car accident where

> > Mahadasha &

> > > > > Antardasha both principles have worked.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd Near Fatal car accident case

> > > > >

> > > > > Data of the Native ¡V 18.12.1965, 8.43.29 PM, 75E49,

> > 26N55

> > > > India.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native is a Businessman & had a Head On Collision with

> > > > another

> > > > > Car while he was going in his car. It was a very serious

> > > > accident .

> > > > > the Native was in ICU for 8 to 10 days. Lot of bones have

> > broken

> > > > &

> > > > > injuries on face also but now recovering & may start doing

> > > > activities

> > > > > in another Month¡¦s time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Accident - 10th January 2005.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shool Mahadasha ¡V TAURUS

> > > > > Antardasha - TAURUS

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Saturn is there in 5th from AL. 3rd from AL has Sun

> > & 8th

> > > > > from AL has Rahu aspected by Mars. Hence accident

> > possibility is

> > > > there

> > > > > 2) Taurus being the Mahadasha is justified as Taurus

> > is the

> > > > > rashi which is the center of RUDRA Yog i.e. Taurus is

> > aspected by

> > > > > Moon, Mars & Venus and hence conclusively dangerous for

> > > > accidents. -"³

> > > > > Mahadasha Principle is working

> > > > > 3) Antardasha is also of Taurus "³ 8th lord from

> > Taurus

> > > > > (Mahadasha rashi) Jupiter aspects Taurus in D9 "³

> > Antardasha

> > > > Principle

> > > > > is working.

> > > > > 4) It was a near fatal accident and cause lot of

> > suffering

> > > > to

> > > > > the native "³ Rahu is in 8th from AL, It is also Atmakarka

> > &

> > > > Placed in

> > > > > the Rashi which is completely influenced by Rudra Yog.

> > > > > 5) Vehicle accident can be justified by involvement

> > of

> > > > Venus &

> > > > > Moon with reference to the 8th house from AL.

> > > > >

> > > > > I congratulate you after giving this analysis as you have

> > > > provided us

> > > > > a really important research. Using which one can really

> > guide

> > > > people

> > > > > for any forth coming danger.

> > > > >

> > > > > With the 2 case studies, I am fairly confident about

> > > > ¡¥Mahadasha¡¦

> > > > > principle, but for ¡§Antardasha¡¨ I may need to check few

> > more as

> > > > some

> > > > > inconsistency is evident.

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to be absolutely sure for ¡§Antardsha¡¨ because this

> > is a

> > > > very

> > > > > critical thing and before warning or guiding any body we

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> > > > be

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> > > > >

> > > > > Correct me if I am wrong in understanding of the above case

> > or

> > > > > concept.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

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