Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Swee Ji, Namaste. Kindly grant me some time as I shall have to go through the Books kept at my home. I am currently away and likely to be there by the weekend. Thanks for reading the post. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. with kind regards, Himanshu Mohan vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Himanshu, > > Namaste > > {As per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various gems > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his forehead > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems.} > > Please give me the exact references for these in the Agni Purana. I have > them here with me. Will save a lot of time, thank you. > > Love, > Swee > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > Himanshu Mohan [himanshu@m...] > Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:56 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > Dear Pratibha, > Namaste. > It may be of interest to note that not only pearl but also Red coral, > White Coral and some other gems used in vedic astrology remedial > measures are also not STONES really. Red Coral is an animal shell > like product which resembles bones in characteristics and nails in > the process of formation. > > To understand the importance and significance of the main 9 gems for > 9 planets, one has to refer to puranas and other scriptures. > > Only 84 Gems are listed for use in remedial mesures traditionally. As > per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various gems > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his forehead > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems. > > As per another story it was Balasur. > > Varahmihira mentions in Brihatsamhita origin of gems to be from BALI > (same story), Maharshi Dadhichi (from whose bones Vajra was made - > parts of these bones fallen on earth during making of the Vajra are > supposed to have turned into Diamonds) and also as per some other > sources due to various internal (physical and chemical) properties of > mother earth. > > However, the references which relate various body parts of > Bali/Balasur/Dadhichi to gems; mention that the pearl was born out of > the MANA of the Asura. This is the reason that Pearl or Moti is > related to MANA, and therefore to Moon, the significator of MANA. > > Pearl is unique in respects more than one, including the fact that it > is not sold by carat. It is sold by "CHAVAs" as unit of weight > measurement. > > It is not out of place to mention that originally 14 RATNAs were > churned out of the ocean during Samudra-Manthana, in which there was > only one gem or MANI, namely Kaustubh-MANI. > > However, as per modern colour therapy and gemology, the gems are > classified into precious, semi-precious and common as per various > parameters including Hardness, refractive index, crystalline > structure, shine, transparency, availability, degradability or > stability and other physical and chemical properties. > > Whether this is of any help, I wonder. > > RadheKrishna. > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > > Himanshu Mohan > > vedic astrology, pratibha james > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > Namaste Swee Chan, > > > > Thanks alot. > > > > Pratibha > > > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear James, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > According to the shastras, there are many Pearls > > > from many sources. Some > > > from bamboo (even coconut!), hail storms, patina > > > fish, wild boars, from > > > rain, elephants, snakes etc etc, but the most > > > readily available is from > > > oysters. > > > Garuda Purana relates the creation of the pearl as > > > such: Where the seeds of > > > the beautiful pearl fell and water from the clouds > > > too fell, and both > > > together entered the oyster shell and were converted > > > into Pearls. > > > A person in possession of such a fine white Pearl of > > > proper size with > > > commendable features will be free from all evils and > > > faults. > > > > > > Love, > > > Swee > > > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratibha James > > > [pratibha_james] > > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:07 AM > > > vedic astrology > > > [vedic astrology] Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > Had a query on the Pearl as a gemstone, and would > > > like to get your > > > comments. > > > > > > Is Pearl really a gemstone ? When we talk about the > > > other gemstones > > > used in Astrology like Diamond, Emerald, Sapphire, > > > Red Coral etc, they > > > are all in the stone category and are obtained from > > > the depths of the > > > earth. But a Pearl does not really fall in that > > > category, as it is > > > obtained from an Oyster - from the animal kingdom, > > > so to speak. > > > > > > Hence my question - Is is really a gemstone ? > > > > > > Second, what is so special about the Moon that its > > > gemstone is not to > > > come from the depths of the earth, but from an > > > animal. Why is it > > > unique in this sense ? Any stories or legends about > > > this or the > > > significance of the source of Pearls ? > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > || > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Would you Help a Child in need? > > > It is easier than you think. > > > Click Here to meet a Child you can help. > > > > > http://us.click./0Z9NuA/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > > > > > -- > ~-> > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > || > > > Links > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! > > http://sg.messenger. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Swee Ji, Namaste. The references are as under - Agni Purana - Chapter 246 Garuda Purana - Pt. I - Chapter 68 - Story of Balasur and creation of Gemstones. - Chapter 69 - Detais of Pearls etc. Details of gems occur in Garuda Purana. Agni Purana also deals with them and Pearl in particular. Since it is the beginning of Vasantik Navratras today and the process of Kalash-sthapan and Japas etc. including recitation of Shri Durga Saptashati begins today, it has been a busy day for me. I could not locate the exact references today, though I have read the story at other places also, in Devi Bhagawat and other Puranas. I sincerely hope that you will understand and kindly pardon me for the delay. I shall be back with other references ASAP. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Regards and RadheKrishna, Himanshu Mohan vedic astrology, "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu@m...> wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > Dear Swee Ji, > Namaste. > Kindly grant me some time as I shall have to go through the Books > kept at my home. I am currently away and likely to be there by the > weekend. > Thanks for reading the post. > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > with kind regards, > Himanshu Mohan > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Himanshu, > > > > Namaste > > > > {As per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various > gems > > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his > forehead > > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems.} > > > > Please give me the exact references for these in the Agni Purana. I > have > > them here with me. Will save a lot of time, thank you. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > > > > > > Himanshu Mohan [himanshu@m...] > > Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:56 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > > Dear Pratibha, > > Namaste. > > It may be of interest to note that not only pearl but also Red > coral, > > White Coral and some other gems used in vedic astrology remedial > > measures are also not STONES really. Red Coral is an animal shell > > like product which resembles bones in characteristics and nails in > > the process of formation. > > > > To understand the importance and significance of the main 9 gems > for > > 9 planets, one has to refer to puranas and other scriptures. > > > > Only 84 Gems are listed for use in remedial mesures traditionally. > As > > per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various gems > > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > > > > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his > forehead > > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems. > > > > As per another story it was Balasur. > > > > Varahmihira mentions in Brihatsamhita origin of gems to be from > BALI > > (same story), Maharshi Dadhichi (from whose bones Vajra was made - > > parts of these bones fallen on earth during making of the Vajra are > > supposed to have turned into Diamonds) and also as per some other > > sources due to various internal (physical and chemical) properties > of > > mother earth. > > > > However, the references which relate various body parts of > > Bali/Balasur/Dadhichi to gems; mention that the pearl was born out > of > > the MANA of the Asura. This is the reason that Pearl or Moti is > > related to MANA, and therefore to Moon, the significator of MANA. > > > > Pearl is unique in respects more than one, including the fact that > it > > is not sold by carat. It is sold by "CHAVAs" as unit of weight > > measurement. > > > > It is not out of place to mention that originally 14 RATNAs were > > churned out of the ocean during Samudra-Manthana, in which there > was > > only one gem or MANI, namely Kaustubh-MANI. > > > > However, as per modern colour therapy and gemology, the gems are > > classified into precious, semi-precious and common as per various > > parameters including Hardness, refractive index, crystalline > > structure, shine, transparency, availability, degradability or > > stability and other physical and chemical properties. > > > > Whether this is of any help, I wonder. > > > > RadheKrishna. > > > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > > > > Himanshu Mohan > > > > vedic astrology, pratibha james > > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > Namaste Swee Chan, > > > > > > Thanks alot. > > > > > > Pratibha > > > > > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear James, > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > According to the shastras, there are many Pearls > > > > from many sources. Some > > > > from bamboo (even coconut!), hail storms, patina > > > > fish, wild boars, from > > > > rain, elephants, snakes etc etc, but the most > > > > readily available is from > > > > oysters. > > > > Garuda Purana relates the creation of the pearl as > > > > such: Where the seeds of > > > > the beautiful pearl fell and water from the clouds > > > > too fell, and both > > > > together entered the oyster shell and were converted > > > > into Pearls. > > > > A person in possession of such a fine white Pearl of > > > > proper size with > > > > commendable features will be free from all evils and > > > > faults. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratibha James > > > > [pratibha_james] > > > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:07 AM > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > Had a query on the Pearl as a gemstone, and would > > > > like to get your > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > Is Pearl really a gemstone ? When we talk about the > > > > other gemstones > > > > used in Astrology like Diamond, Emerald, Sapphire, > > > > Red Coral etc, they > > > > are all in the stone category and are obtained from > > > > the depths of the > > > > earth. But a Pearl does not really fall in that > > > > category, as it is > > > > obtained from an Oyster - from the animal kingdom, > > > > so to speak. > > > > > > > > Hence my question - Is is really a gemstone ? > > > > > > > > Second, what is so special about the Moon that its > > > > gemstone is not to > > > > come from the depths of the earth, but from an > > > > animal. Why is it > > > > unique in this sense ? Any stories or legends about > > > > this or the > > > > significance of the source of Pearls ? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > || > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Would you Help a Child in need? > > > > It is easier than you think. > > > > Click Here to meet a Child you can help. > > > > > > > http://us.click./0Z9NuA/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- -- > -- > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Himanshu Namaste The chapter on Agni Purana is good enough for me. I would be interested in the exact references from Devi Bhagavata or other Puranas. However, you should consider the Kaushtubha gem as the spiritual "gem" as it is not a gem in the material form. If you have so time in the future, can you also help me with references of Bala asura's incarnations especially his past merits. Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help. Enjoy your Vasantik Navratras Day. Love, Swee www.brihaspati.net Himanshu Mohan [himanshu] Saturday, April 09, 2005 2:22 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Pearl as a Gemstone - Himanshu Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Swee Ji, Namaste. The references are as under - Agni Purana - Chapter 246 Garuda Purana - Pt. I - Chapter 68 - Story of Balasur and creation of Gemstones. - Chapter 69 - Detais of Pearls etc. Details of gems occur in Garuda Purana. Agni Purana also deals with them and Pearl in particular. Since it is the beginning of Vasantik Navratras today and the process of Kalash-sthapan and Japas etc. including recitation of Shri Durga Saptashati begins today, it has been a busy day for me. I could not locate the exact references today, though I have read the story at other places also, in Devi Bhagawat and other Puranas. I sincerely hope that you will understand and kindly pardon me for the delay. I shall be back with other references ASAP. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Regards and RadheKrishna, Himanshu Mohan vedic astrology, "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu@m...> wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > Dear Swee Ji, > Namaste. > Kindly grant me some time as I shall have to go through the Books > kept at my home. I am currently away and likely to be there by the > weekend. > Thanks for reading the post. > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > with kind regards, > Himanshu Mohan > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Himanshu, > > > > Namaste > > > > {As per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various > gems > > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his > forehead > > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems.} > > > > Please give me the exact references for these in the Agni Purana. I > have > > them here with me. Will save a lot of time, thank you. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > > > > > > Himanshu Mohan [himanshu@m...] > > Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:56 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > > Dear Pratibha, > > Namaste. > > It may be of interest to note that not only pearl but also Red > coral, > > White Coral and some other gems used in vedic astrology remedial > > measures are also not STONES really. Red Coral is an animal shell > > like product which resembles bones in characteristics and nails in > > the process of formation. > > > > To understand the importance and significance of the main 9 gems > for > > 9 planets, one has to refer to puranas and other scriptures. > > > > Only 84 Gems are listed for use in remedial mesures traditionally. > As > > per Agni Puran and other Pauranic references origin of various gems > > is ascribed to various body parts and emotions of Daityaraj Bali, > > formed when Shri Vishnu in Vaaman Avtaar asked for three steps of > > land in Daan from him, after he had won over the devas and their > > territorries including all the lokas in Devasur Sangram. > > > > Being Happy from Bali by his donation and large-heartedness, Lord > > Vaaman (Jupiter incarnate) blessed his body by touching his > forehead > > with his feet. On this, the body of Bali turned into various gems. > > > > As per another story it was Balasur. > > > > Varahmihira mentions in Brihatsamhita origin of gems to be from > BALI > > (same story), Maharshi Dadhichi (from whose bones Vajra was made - > > parts of these bones fallen on earth during making of the Vajra are > > supposed to have turned into Diamonds) and also as per some other > > sources due to various internal (physical and chemical) properties > of > > mother earth. > > > > However, the references which relate various body parts of > > Bali/Balasur/Dadhichi to gems; mention that the pearl was born out > of > > the MANA of the Asura. This is the reason that Pearl or Moti is > > related to MANA, and therefore to Moon, the significator of MANA. > > > > Pearl is unique in respects more than one, including the fact that > it > > is not sold by carat. It is sold by "CHAVAs" as unit of weight > > measurement. > > > > It is not out of place to mention that originally 14 RATNAs were > > churned out of the ocean during Samudra-Manthana, in which there > was > > only one gem or MANI, namely Kaustubh-MANI. > > > > However, as per modern colour therapy and gemology, the gems are > > classified into precious, semi-precious and common as per various > > parameters including Hardness, refractive index, crystalline > > structure, shine, transparency, availability, degradability or > > stability and other physical and chemical properties. > > > > Whether this is of any help, I wonder. > > > > RadheKrishna. > > > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > > > > Himanshu Mohan > > > > vedic astrology, pratibha james > > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > Namaste Swee Chan, > > > > > > Thanks alot. > > > > > > Pratibha > > > > > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear James, > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > According to the shastras, there are many Pearls > > > > from many sources. Some > > > > from bamboo (even coconut!), hail storms, patina > > > > fish, wild boars, from > > > > rain, elephants, snakes etc etc, but the most > > > > readily available is from > > > > oysters. > > > > Garuda Purana relates the creation of the pearl as > > > > such: Where the seeds of > > > > the beautiful pearl fell and water from the clouds > > > > too fell, and both > > > > together entered the oyster shell and were converted > > > > into Pearls. > > > > A person in possession of such a fine white Pearl of > > > > proper size with > > > > commendable features will be free from all evils and > > > > faults. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > www.brihaspati.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratibha James > > > > [pratibha_james] > > > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:07 AM > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] Pearl as a Gemstone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > Had a query on the Pearl as a gemstone, and would > > > > like to get your > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > Is Pearl really a gemstone ? When we talk about the > > > > other gemstones > > > > used in Astrology like Diamond, Emerald, Sapphire, > > > > Red Coral etc, they > > > > are all in the stone category and are obtained from > > > > the depths of the > > > > earth. But a Pearl does not really fall in that > > > > category, as it is > > > > obtained from an Oyster - from the animal kingdom, > > > > so to speak. > > > > > > > > Hence my question - Is is really a gemstone ? > > > > > > > > Second, what is so special about the Moon that its > > > > gemstone is not to > > > > come from the depths of the earth, but from an > > > > animal. Why is it > > > > unique in this sense ? Any stories or legends about > > > > this or the > > > > significance of the source of Pearls ? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > || > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Would you Help a Child in need? > > > > It is easier than you think. > > > > Click Here to meet a Child you can help. > > > > > > > http://us.click./0Z9NuA/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- -- > -- > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > || > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! > > > http://sg.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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