Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Dear Hari [Hari] I should point out that I referred to kalachakra dasa and not kalachakra, which is a separate topic by itself. I do not understand how after reading on kalachakra dasa, you became more worried about the rasi cakra and the progression of time. (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was referring to kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the main mandala and it is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r to the rashi chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the fundamental divisions should have a common base. Thus navamshas should have a common link (if not same - If you understand what I mean by tattwa or belonging to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- kalachakra or varga navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra navamsha with varga navamsha. Relations are possible. But our understanding of varga navamshas have to be restructured - similar to shri Narasimhas opinion. [Hari] I agree with you here; even I am also stuck in some of the basics but my experience is to move on and read other chapters to gain a perspective. Usually the basics get resolved as I read more and more. (Pradeep) - It is not that i am not reading further. If i am revisiting this topic again and again, it means I am looking for a clarification and satisfactory answer. I just want to know how this is possible,when there is neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. Also as you have said, After Vimshottari, Kalachakra and Yogini are the dashas which can be used universally. [Hari] There are three cakras spoken of; the bha cakra which is the geo-centric zodiac, the Vishnu cakra or the tropical (sayana) zodiac and the Narayana cakra (nirayana or sidereal zodiac). In kalachakra dasa, there are two cakras spoken of: savya & apasavya cakras. (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which is out of context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of ayanamsha's have no relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and starting point is your choice. Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two zodiacs. Savya and Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right and left. I cannot tell you more on this at the moment. But it is like this. Start from Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd and 4th fingers) of your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers of your left hand. Next three again on your right hand and so on. We will end up with 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again for right hand nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd and 4th fingers as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as bharani group. Similarly there is a law for left hand nakshathras. How this comes is a question - it can be symbolically the fingers of Lord Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for this. [Hari] Has the sage defined the rasi cakra? I thought he said `after explaining about the rasi (which means rasisvarupadhayah or the properties of rasi (sign)). Please point me the shloka where he says this. (1)Right, the first division of the zodiac (can we call it as cakra?) is the division of 360 deg space into 12 signs of 30 degs each. But why is this 12 signs only? Why not divide into 8 or 14 signs instead? (2)Then from there, we don't again divide the zodiac further (this is the point which you seek to make) but instead divide the sign further.The question is why? (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can answer your point (1) only upon a condition. Condition is - you should not ask me why we have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we agree about 12 signs - where will the sage go to get extra 2 signs(when 14) for making you happy? Or what will the sage do with the 4 remaining signs(when 8) - again to make you happy. Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if you have 12 signs one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such rashi's (together constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions of such individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each rashi becomes a bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As Lagna too is having a sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. As you have said, I have been explaining this umpteen times. But still everyone is coming with the same question again & again. Thanks for the Guru advise. I am not ready yet. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Pradeep, > > Thanks for mentioning Kalachakra. I am infact reading > on Kalachakra at the moment.To be honest,after that, I > feel more worried about Rashi chakra and progression > of time. Also it is not that I am not reading other > books. I am stressing more on Shri Narasimhas point > (regarding amsha definitions), because of kalachakra. > > [Hari] I should point out that I referred to > kalachakra dasa and not kalachakra, which is a > separate topic by itself. I do not understand how > after reading on kalachakra dasa, you became more > worried about the rasi cakra and the progression of > time. > > It is not at all a waste of time or getting stuck on a > topic. Without understanding the basics we cannot > build anything. If one is happy with 10 succesul > predictions then one can ignore basics. > > [Hari] I agree with you here; even I am also stuck in > some of the basics but my experience is to move on and > read other chapters to gain a perspective. Usually the > basics get resolved as I read more and more. I am not > sure about the last line of above para as it is my > contention that to predict correctly & consistently, > one needs to have understood the basics properly. > > Kalachakra has to be read carefully and it will take > time to understand.It should tell us how or in what > order, with the progression of time, rashis of rashi > chakra will influence us. In another view itcan be a > progression of time along rashi chakra. There are no > different zodiacs or rashi chakras. It is the various > movements of kaala that makes us think of different > zodiacs. > > [Hari] There are three cakras spoken of; the bha cakra > which is the geo-centric zodiac, the Vishnu cakra or > the tropical (sayana) zodiac and the Narayana cakra > (nirayana or sidereal zodiac). In kalachakra dasa, > there are two cakras spoken of: savya & apasavya > cakras. You are right in the sense that kalachakra > dasa is not an easy topic and requires much time > (maybe years) to make sense of it. But Parasara gave > it a lot of respect. I wont go into the rest of the > details that you raised about kalacakra dasa in the > following paragraphs (deleted here) but hopefully > revisit it at some point of time later. > > > Now under all these circumstances, we are finding > divisional lords within a sign. For example Hora - > Though the full sign is lorded by a planet, the horas > within that sign are lorded by sun and moon > respectively. Similarly individual signs are again > divided and allotted to different planets. > > Your query regarding rashi being the first divisional > : We have to understand it differently. One is the > zodiac with 12 signs. Next is the division of each of > those signs. In the second case you are dividing > individual rashis and in the first case it is an > 'imaginary > division' of rashi chakra. > > After defining the Rashi chakra, Sage clearly says > ''now I will explain the various divisions of a > rashi''. Thus please do not misunderstand the natural > sign divisions with divisions of a rashi. Now the > first division is the full 30 degree itself and is > called > Kshethra/Rashi lorded by a planet. Then we again > divide that sign into two to get Hora, ruled by sun > and moon. Again we divide it into 3 for drekkana > lorded by planets falling under 1,5,9 rule. Etc etc. > > [Hari] Has the sage defined the rasi cakra? I thought > he said `after explaining about the rasi (which means > rasisvarupadhayah or the properties of rasi (sign)). > Please point me the shloka where he says this. > > (1)Right, the first division of the zodiac (can we > call it as cakra?) is the division of 360 deg space > into 12 signs of 30 degs each. But why is this 12 > signs only? Why not divide into 8 or 14 signs instead? > > (2)Then from there, we don't again divide the zodiac > further (this is the point which you seek to make) but > instead divide the sign further. The question is why? > > Regarding Guru :I have people in my mind at Gurusthana > while I am learning.Now if it is regarding Mantra - I > am not ready yet.There is a time for everything and it > will come.For example my wife got her > Guru(Aatmeeya) and Mantra(whispered on her ears) very > early. > > [Hari] I hope you get a Guru worthy of you. It is a > great blessing to have a diksha Guru. I did not mean > for mantra but for learning in general. > > Regards > Hari > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Namaste, I can answer why we have 12 rashis, ask yourself why we have 12 months ? The reason ravi and chandra the two luminaries meet in the sky 12 times in a year approximately while completing one roatation. .... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:33:38 -0000, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Hari > > [Hari] I should point out that I referred to kalachakra dasa and not > kalachakra, which is a separate topic by itself. > I do not understand how after reading on kalachakra dasa, you became > more worried about the rasi cakra and the progression of time. > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was referring to > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the main mandala and it > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r to the rashi > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the fundamental divisions > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should have a common link > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by tattwa or belonging > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- kalachakra or varga > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra navamsha with varga > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our understanding of varga > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to shri Narasimhas > opinion. > > > [Hari] I agree with you here; even I am also stuck in some of the > basics but my experience is to move on and read other chapters to > gain a perspective. Usually the basics get resolved as I read more > and more. > > (Pradeep) - It is not that i am not reading further. If i am > revisiting this topic again and again, it means I am looking for a > clarification and satisfactory answer. I just want to know how this > is possible,when there is neither sanction nor astronomical > possibility. Also as you have said, After Vimshottari, Kalachakra > and Yogini are the dashas which can > be used universally. > > [Hari] There are three cakras spoken of; the bha cakra which is the > geo-centric zodiac, the Vishnu cakra or the tropical (sayana) zodiac > and the Narayana cakra (nirayana or sidereal zodiac). In kalachakra > dasa, there are two cakras spoken of: savya & apasavya cakras. > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which is out of > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of ayanamsha's have no > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and starting point is your > choice. > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two zodiacs. Savya and > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right and left. I cannot > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is like this. Start from > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd and 4th fingers) of > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers of your left hand. > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We will end up with > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again for right hand > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd and 4th fingers > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as bharani > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand nakshathras. How this > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the fingers of Lord > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for this. > > [Hari] Has the sage defined the rasi cakra? I thought he said `after > explaining about the rasi (which means rasisvarupadhayah or the > properties of rasi (sign)). Please point me the shloka where he says > this. > > (1)Right, the first division of the zodiac (can we call it as > cakra?) is the division of 360 deg space into 12 signs of 30 degs > each. But why is this 12 signs only? Why not divide into 8 or 14 > signs instead? > > (2)Then from there, we don't again divide the zodiac further (this > is the point which you seek to make) but instead divide the sign > further.The question is why? > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can answer your point (1) > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should not ask me why we > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we agree about 12 > signs - where will the sage go to get extra 2 > signs(when 14) for making you happy? Or what will the sage do with > the 4 remaining signs(when 8) - again to make you happy. > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if you have 12 signs > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such rashi's (together > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions of such > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each rashi becomes a > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As Lagna too is having a > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > As you have said, I have been explaining this umpteen times. But > still everyone is coming with the same question again & again. > > Thanks for the Guru advise. I am not ready yet. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > Thanks for mentioning Kalachakra. I am infact reading > > on Kalachakra at the moment.To be honest,after that, I > > feel more worried about Rashi chakra and progression > > of time. Also it is not that I am not reading other > > books. I am stressing more on Shri Narasimhas point > > (regarding amsha definitions), because of kalachakra. > > > > [Hari] I should point out that I referred to > > kalachakra dasa and not kalachakra, which is a > > separate topic by itself. I do not understand how > > after reading on kalachakra dasa, you became more > > worried about the rasi cakra and the progression of > > time. > > > > It is not at all a waste of time or getting stuck on a > > topic. Without understanding the basics we cannot > > build anything. If one is happy with 10 succesul > > predictions then one can ignore basics. > > > > [Hari] I agree with you here; even I am also stuck in > > some of the basics but my experience is to move on and > > read other chapters to gain a perspective. Usually the > > basics get resolved as I read more and more. I am not > > sure about the last line of above para as it is my > > contention that to predict correctly & consistently, > > one needs to have understood the basics properly. > > > > Kalachakra has to be read carefully and it will take > > time to understand.It should tell us how or in what > > order, with the progression of time, rashis of rashi > > chakra will influence us. In another view itcan be a > > progression of time along rashi chakra. There are no > > different zodiacs or rashi chakras. It is the various > > movements of kaala that makes us think of different > > zodiacs. > > > > [Hari] There are three cakras spoken of; the bha cakra > > which is the geo-centric zodiac, the Vishnu cakra or > > the tropical (sayana) zodiac and the Narayana cakra > > (nirayana or sidereal zodiac). In kalachakra dasa, > > there are two cakras spoken of: savya & apasavya > > cakras. You are right in the sense that kalachakra > > dasa is not an easy topic and requires much time > > (maybe years) to make sense of it. But Parasara gave > > it a lot of respect. I wont go into the rest of the > > details that you raised about kalacakra dasa in the > > following paragraphs (deleted here) but hopefully > > revisit it at some point of time later. > > > > > > Now under all these circumstances, we are finding > > divisional lords within a sign. For example Hora - > > Though the full sign is lorded by a planet, the horas > > within that sign are lorded by sun and moon > > respectively. Similarly individual signs are again > > divided and allotted to different planets. > > > > Your query regarding rashi being the first divisional > > : We have to understand it differently. One is the > > zodiac with 12 signs. Next is the division of each of > > those signs. In the second case you are dividing > > individual rashis and in the first case it is an > > 'imaginary > > division' of rashi chakra. > > > > After defining the Rashi chakra, Sage clearly says > > ''now I will explain the various divisions of a > > rashi''. Thus please do not misunderstand the natural > > sign divisions with divisions of a rashi. Now the > > first division is the full 30 degree itself and is > > called > > Kshethra/Rashi lorded by a planet. Then we again > > divide that sign into two to get Hora, ruled by sun > > and moon. Again we divide it into 3 for drekkana > > lorded by planets falling under 1,5,9 rule. Etc etc. > > > > [Hari] Has the sage defined the rasi cakra? I thought > > he said `after explaining about the rasi (which means > > rasisvarupadhayah or the properties of rasi (sign)). > > Please point me the shloka where he says this. > > > > (1)Right, the first division of the zodiac (can we > > call it as cakra?) is the division of 360 deg space > > into 12 signs of 30 degs each. But why is this 12 > > signs only? Why not divide into 8 or 14 signs instead? > > > > (2)Then from there, we don't again divide the zodiac > > further (this is the point which you seek to make) but > > instead divide the sign further. The question is why? > > > > Regarding Guru :I have people in my mind at Gurusthana > > while I am learning.Now if it is regarding Mantra - I > > am not ready yet.There is a time for everything and it > > will come.For example my wife got her > > Guru(Aatmeeya) and Mantra(whispered on her ears) very > > early. > > > > [Hari] I hope you get a Guru worthy of you. It is a > > great blessing to have a diksha Guru. I did not mean > > for mantra but for learning in general. > > > > Regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Pradeep, > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was referring to > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the main mandala and it > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r to the rashi > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the fundamental divisions > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should have a common link > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by tattwa or belonging > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- kalachakra or varga > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra navamsha with varga > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our understanding of varga > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to shri Narasimhas > opinion. [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be equated with zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has a whole set of principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay have given an outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is possible,when there is > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. Lets revisit it after some time. > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which is out of > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of ayanamsha's have no > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and starting point is your > choice. > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two zodiacs. Savya and > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right and left. I cannot > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is like this. Start from > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd and 4th fingers) of > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers of your left hand. > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We will end up with > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again for right hand > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd and 4th fingers > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as bharani > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand nakshathras. How this > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the fingers of Lord > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for this. [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the creation on bhuloka. When we come to the computational details, then here comes the ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to bring them here only introduce a step-by-step way of building up the understanding of the whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your statement about kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra dasa verses, Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or apasavya cakras in order to understand how the order of the kalacakra dasa or the different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking concerning savya and apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of alternate right and left hand has a much deeper significance other than being an efficient aid in remembering the computation of kalacakra dasa. > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can answer your point (1) > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should not ask me why we > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we agree about 12 [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered the question in another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is rooted in astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the zodiac into 12 signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to define the properties of the signs and the planets which is done in the graha and rasi rupaadhyayah. > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if you have 12 signs > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such rashi's (together > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions of such > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each rashi becomes a > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As Lagna too is having a > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs based on the repeating principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize the creative principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next step is to ponder the influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose the concept of kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on creation by Pt Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > As you have said, I have been explaining this umpteen times. But > still everyone is coming with the same question again & again. [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following your posts for quite sometime) but I want to walk the road with you starting from the foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both of us benefit. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Dear Hari Thanks a lot for your kind mail and guidance.I will do my homework and reply later for other parts.. Regarding kalachakra i have read shri Ramanarayan jis valauble write up.There two zodiacs are being mentioned.Also you have mentioned about parasharas advise to draw apasavya and savya chakras. My understanding is as follows.Sages always use narrations along with philosophy to make the ganita easy.The stories from ancient tamil manuscripts are also the same.These are valuable narrations to drive home the point. I may be wrong but my understanding is - Zodiac is one. Normal navamshas that we have understood follows order of 1,10,7,4. That is 1st navamsha in aries is aries,first in taurus is capricorn,first in gemini is Libra,first in cancer is cancer. When we study kalachakra we will find a jump after 3 nakshathras or 12 navamshas ,making us think it as another zodiac.Actually this jump is exactly to another sign ruled by the same planet.Thereafter we have a pratiloma movement. Now coming back to normal navamshas - After meena navamsha ie end of karttika one should have mesha as the first navamsha for rohini.But it is Vrischika for the same reason mentioned above - ie common lordship by Mars.Sage used term simhavalokan to make one understand this apasavya navamsha. I need some time ,and beleive with GOD's grace will be able to explain all gathis w.r to one zodiac. Prashara might have advised to draw two chakras inorder to avoid confusion between anuloma pratiloma for savya - apasavya. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was referring to > > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the main mandala and it > > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r to the rashi > > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the fundamental divisions > > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should have a common link > > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by tattwa or belonging > > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- kalachakra or varga > > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra navamsha with varga > > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our understanding of varga > > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to shri Narasimhas > > opinion. > > [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be equated with > zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has a whole set of > principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay have given an > outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > > > > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is possible,when there is > > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. > > [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. Lets revisit it > after some time. > > > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which is out of > > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of ayanamsha's have no > > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and starting point is your > > choice. > > > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two zodiacs. Savya and > > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right and left. I cannot > > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is like this. Start from > > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd and 4th fingers) of > > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers of your left hand. > > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We will end up with > > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again for right hand > > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd and 4th fingers > > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as bharani > > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand nakshathras. How this > > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the fingers of Lord > > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for this. > > [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the creation on bhuloka. > When we come to the computational details, then here comes the > ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to bring them here only > introduce a step-by-step way of building up the understanding of the > whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your statement about > kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra dasa verses, > Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or apasavya cakras in > order to understand how the order of the kalacakra dasa or the > different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking concerning savya and > apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of alternate right > and left hand has a much deeper significance other than being an > efficient aid in remembering the computation of kalacakra dasa. > > > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can answer your point (1) > > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should not ask me why we > > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we agree about 12 > > [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered the question in > another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is rooted in > astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the zodiac into 12 > signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to define the > properties of the signs and the planets which is done in the graha and > rasi rupaadhyayah. > > > > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if you have 12 signs > > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such rashi's (together > > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions of such > > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each rashi becomes a > > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As Lagna too is having a > > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs based on the repeating > principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize the creative > principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next step is to ponder the > influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose the concept of > kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on creation by Pt > Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > > > > As you have said, I have been explaining this umpteen times. But > > still everyone is coming with the same question again & again. > > [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following your posts for quite > sometime) but I want to walk the road with you starting from the > foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both of us benefit. > > regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Vijayadas, Namaste. Lagna is the seat of intelligence and Guru signifies 'dhi' sakthi. Guru takes 12 years to come back to its position held 12 years back. Understanding the seat of intelligence and 'dhi' sakthi is a 12 year process. You know the reason for this! 8th house signifies transformation. Infact this is the 1st transformation. While the 2nd transformation is 3rd house(8th from 8th). The third transformation is 10th house(8th from 3rd). This way we understand that 6th house is the 11th transformation and that lagna is the 12th transformation. You might have heard about the 'dhimantah' yoga which speaks about the illumination of the intellect. The 2nd cycle of Guru begins in the 13th year. We usually do kumbha abhishekam once in 12 years. It is a return to garbha griha. Death is not a full stop. It is infact a transformation. The secrets of life after death are closely guarded. What is required is the vairaghya of 'nachiketa'. What does the holy 16 steps/shodasi reveals? You will come face to face with you when you enter the 16th chamber(shodasa varga). In the 16th chamber you will realise that you are the 'chitragupta' yourself(chitra means recorded imprints and images while gupta means rahasya/secret).Do you know the 16th chamber? It is called the shastyamsa. The point that rises in the zodiac echoes its vibrations throughout the zodiac. This is the most important understanding. The waves are set in motion the movement a birth takes place. You have a desire to swim but you are not sure of what would happen next! The lagna that you hold in ksetra/rasi is the maximum effort taken by you. The movement you take once step further you will knock at the gates of hora(the lagna in vargas are the gates to next school/level of understanding). What exactly is the problem! i find your Guru the lagna lord placed beautifully in lagna is under the domain of the lord 'YAMA'. This direction of 'dhi' sakthi is undesireable as it gives negative energies of kalachakra only. How then can we change the direction? We need to only pray to 'YAMA' who is Dharma personified. Light a lamp everyday and chant the following mantra. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO BHIMASHANKARAAYA". YAMA would definitely be pleased and will definetly allow you to progress further. You are currently running the drig dasa of kataka where ketu is placed. Incidentally kataka is your 8th house which indicates a transformation. If you are able to reverse and offer prayer to Lord Siva then that is the best that can happen. Like the Lord, the zodiac is one but appears as many. Vijayadas is one but he is husband to his wife, son to his parents.. The angles differ. There are so many chakras. The Guru chakra is only a replica of the 'Brihaspati chakra'(please do understand that sapta rishi mandala also moves - pushya nakshatra is lorded by Brihaspati). The life which you talk about is based on the energies expressed by Sakthi. What about nisabdha? This is the beauty of kalachakra. Mesha is the starting point of Savya chakra while Vrischika is the starting point of the Apasavya chakra. As a coin has two faces/sides similarly there are two faces to the same chakra. One is called as the bahir muka while the other one is called as antar mukha. i hope you got the clue. As regards mantra and diksha you may please wait there is still some more time left. But i feel you are running the most important period of transformation and you can utilise this well. Catch hold of the mantra referred above and progress. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Hari Thanks a lot for your kind mail and guidance.I will do my homework and reply later for other parts.. Regarding kalachakra i have read shri Ramanarayan jis valauble write up.There two zodiacs are being mentioned.Also you have mentioned about parasharas advise to draw apasavya and savya chakras. My understanding is as follows.Sages always use narrations along with philosophy to make the ganita easy.The stories from ancient tamil manuscripts are also the same.These are valuable narrations to drive home the point. I may be wrong but my understanding is - Zodiac is one. Normal navamshas that we have understood follows order of 1,10,7,4. That is 1st navamsha in aries is aries,first in taurus is capricorn,first in gemini is Libra,first in cancer is cancer. When we study kalachakra we will find a jump after 3 nakshathras or 12 navamshas ,making us think it as another zodiac.Actually this jump is exactly to another sign ruled by the same planet.Thereafter we have a pratiloma movement. Now coming back to normal navamshas - After meena navamsha ie end of karttika one should have mesha as the first navamsha for rohini.But it is Vrischika for the same reason mentioned above - ie common lordship by Mars.Sage used term simhavalokan to make one understand this apasavya navamsha. I need some time ,and beleive with GOD's grace will be able to explain all gathis w.r to one zodiac. Prashara might have advised to draw two chakras inorder to avoid confusion between anuloma pratiloma for savya - apasavya. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was referring to > > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the main mandala and it > > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r to the rashi > > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the fundamental divisions > > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should have a common link > > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by tattwa or belonging > > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- kalachakra or varga > > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra navamsha with varga > > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our understanding of varga > > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to shri Narasimhas > > opinion. > > [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be equated with > zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has a whole set of > principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay have given an > outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > > > > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is possible,when there is > > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. > > [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. Lets revisit it > after some time. > > > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which is out of > > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of ayanamsha's have no > > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and starting point is your > > choice. > > > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two zodiacs. Savya and > > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right and left. I cannot > > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is like this. Start from > > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd and 4th fingers) of > > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers of your left hand. > > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We will end up with > > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again for right hand > > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd and 4th fingers > > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as bharani > > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand nakshathras. How this > > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the fingers of Lord > > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for this. > > [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the creation on bhuloka. > When we come to the computational details, then here comes the > ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to bring them here only > introduce a step-by-step way of building up the understanding of the > whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your statement about > kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra dasa verses, > Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or apasavya cakras in > order to understand how the order of the kalacakra dasa or the > different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking concerning savya and > apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of alternate right > and left hand has a much deeper significance other than being an > efficient aid in remembering the computation of kalacakra dasa. > > > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can answer your point (1) > > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should not ask me why we > > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we agree about 12 > > [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered the question in > another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is rooted in > astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the zodiac into 12 > signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to define the > properties of the signs and the planets which is done in the graha and > rasi rupaadhyayah. > > > > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if you have 12 signs > > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such rashi's (together > > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions of such > > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each rashi becomes a > > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As Lagna too is having a > > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs based on the repeating > principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize the creative > principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next step is to ponder the > influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose the concept of > kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on creation by Pt > Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > > > > As you have said, I have been explaining this umpteen times. But > > still everyone is coming with the same question again & again. > > [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following your posts for quite > sometime) but I want to walk the road with you starting from the > foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both of us benefit. > > regards > Hari Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Sponsor vedic astrology/ vedic astrology Terms of Service. ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sri Ramanarayan, That is brilliant! My work (incidentally, I also have Guru in lagna) has been done, thanks in no small measure to you. Now it is upto the blessed Lord to smile and shower his divine grace. Jaya Jagannatha regards Hari vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Vijayadas, > > Namaste. Lagna is the seat of intelligence and Guru > signifies 'dhi' sakthi. Guru takes 12 years to come > back to its position held 12 years back. > Understanding the seat of intelligence and 'dhi' > sakthi is a 12 year process. You know the reason for > this! 8th house signifies transformation. Infact this > is the 1st transformation. While the 2nd > transformation is 3rd house(8th from 8th). The third > transformation is 10th house(8th from 3rd). This way > we understand that 6th house is the 11th > transformation and that lagna is the 12th > transformation. You might have heard about the > 'dhimantah' yoga which speaks about the illumination > of the intellect. The 2nd cycle of Guru begins in the > 13th year. We usually do kumbha abhishekam once in 12 > years. It is a return to garbha griha. > > Death is not a full stop. It is infact a > transformation. The secrets of life after death are > closely guarded. What is required is the vairaghya of > 'nachiketa'. > > What does the holy 16 steps/shodasi reveals? You will > come face to face with you when you enter the 16th > chamber(shodasa varga). In the 16th chamber you will > realise that you are the 'chitragupta' yourself(chitra > means recorded imprints and images while gupta means > rahasya/secret).Do you know the 16th chamber? It is > called the shastyamsa. > > The point that rises in the zodiac echoes its > vibrations throughout the zodiac. This is the most > important understanding. The waves are set in motion > the movement a birth takes place. > > You have a desire to swim but you are not sure of > what would happen next! The lagna that you hold in > ksetra/rasi is the maximum effort taken by you. The > movement you take once step further you will knock at > the gates of hora(the lagna in vargas are the gates to > next school/level of understanding). > > What exactly is the problem! i find your Guru the > lagna lord placed beautifully in lagna is under the > domain of the lord 'YAMA'. This direction of 'dhi' > sakthi is undesireable as it gives negative energies > of kalachakra only. How then can we change the > direction? We need to only pray to 'YAMA' who is > Dharma personified. Light a lamp everyday and chant > the following mantra. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO > BHIMASHANKARAAYA". YAMA would definitely be pleased > and will definetly allow you to progress further. > > You are currently running the drig dasa of kataka > where ketu is placed. Incidentally kataka is your 8th > house which indicates a transformation. If you are > able to reverse and offer prayer to Lord Siva then > that is the best that can happen. > > Like the Lord, the zodiac is one but appears as many. > Vijayadas is one but he is husband to his wife, son to > his parents.. The angles differ. There are so many > chakras. The Guru chakra is only a replica of the > 'Brihaspati chakra'(please do understand that sapta > rishi mandala also moves - pushya nakshatra is lorded > by Brihaspati). > > The life which you talk about is based on the energies > expressed by Sakthi. What about nisabdha? This is > the beauty of kalachakra. Mesha is the starting point > of Savya chakra while Vrischika is the starting point > of the Apasavya chakra. As a coin has two faces/sides > similarly there are two faces to the same chakra. One > is called as the bahir muka while the other one is > called as antar mukha. > > i hope you got the clue. As regards mantra and diksha > you may please wait there is still some more time > left. But i feel you are running the most important > period of transformation and you can utilise this > well. Catch hold of the mantra referred above and > progress. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > wrote: > > > > Dear Hari > > Thanks a lot for your kind mail and guidance.I will do > my homework and > reply later for other parts.. > > Regarding kalachakra i have read shri Ramanarayan jis > valauble write > up.There two zodiacs are being mentioned.Also you have > mentioned about > parasharas advise to draw apasavya and savya chakras. > > My understanding is as follows.Sages always use > narrations along with > philosophy to make the ganita easy.The stories from > ancient tamil > manuscripts are also the same.These are valuable > narrations to drive > home the point. > > I may be wrong but my understanding is - Zodiac is > one. > Normal navamshas that we have understood follows order > of 1,10,7,4. > That is 1st navamsha in aries is aries,first in taurus > is > capricorn,first in gemini is Libra,first in cancer is > cancer. > > When we study kalachakra we will find a jump after 3 > nakshathras or 12 > navamshas ,making us think it as another > zodiac.Actually this jump is > exactly to another sign ruled by the same > planet.Thereafter we have a > pratiloma movement. > > Now coming back to normal navamshas - After meena > navamsha ie end of > karttika one should have mesha as the first navamsha > for rohini.But it > is Vrischika for the same reason mentioned above - ie > common lordship > by Mars.Sage used term simhavalokan to make one > understand this > apasavya navamsha. > > I need some time ,and beleive with GOD's grace will be > able to explain > all gathis w.r to one zodiac. > > Prashara might have advised to draw two chakras > inorder to avoid > confusion between anuloma pratiloma for savya - > apasavya. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" > <onlyhari> wrote: > > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was > referring to > > > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the > main mandala and it > > > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r > to the rashi > > > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the > fundamental divisions > > > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should > have a common link > > > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by > tattwa or belonging > > > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- > kalachakra or varga > > > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra > navamsha with varga > > > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our > understanding of varga > > > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to > shri Narasimhas > > > opinion. > > > > [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be > equated with > > zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has > a whole set of > > principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay > have given an > > outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > > > > > > > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is > possible,when there is > > > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. > > > > [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. > Lets revisit it > > after some time. > > > > > > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which > is out of > > > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of > ayanamsha's have no > > > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and > starting point is your > > > choice. > > > > > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two > zodiacs. Savya and > > > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right > and left. I cannot > > > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is > like this. Start from > > > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd > and 4th fingers) of > > > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers > of your left hand. > > > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We > will end up with > > > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again > for right hand > > > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd > and 4th fingers > > > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as > bharani > > > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand > nakshathras. How this > > > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the > fingers of Lord > > > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for > this. > > > > [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the > creation on bhuloka. > > When we come to the computational details, then here > comes the > > ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to > bring them here only > > introduce a step-by-step way of building up the > understanding of the > > whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your > statement about > > kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra > dasa verses, > > Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or > apasavya cakras in > > order to understand how the order of the kalacakra > dasa or the > > different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking > concerning savya and > > apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of > alternate right > > and left hand has a much deeper significance other > than being an > > efficient aid in remembering the computation of > kalacakra dasa. > > > > > > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can > answer your point (1) > > > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should > not ask me why we > > > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we > agree about 12 > > > > [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered > the question in > > another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is > rooted in > > astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the > zodiac into 12 > > signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to > define the > > properties of the signs and the planets which is > done in the graha and > > rasi rupaadhyayah. > > > > > > > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if > you have 12 signs > > > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such > rashi's (together > > > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions > of such > > > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each > rashi becomes a > > > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As > Lagna too is having a > > > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > > > [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs > based on the repeating > > principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize > the creative > > principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next > step is to ponder the > > influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose > the concept of > > kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on > creation by Pt > > Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > > > > > > > As you have said, I have been explaining this > umpteen times. But > > > still everyone is coming with the same question > again & again. > > > > [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following > your posts for quite > > sometime) but I want to walk the road with you > starting from the > > foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both > of us benefit. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Hari, Namaste. Thank you for your response. i had mentioned about Sani placed under the domain of Vayu in your chart in my last mail. This placement is undesireable. In order to reverse and give proper direction chant(5 malas a day atleast) the following mantra "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO SOMANATHAYA".By chanting this mantra Lord Somanatha would sit in the house of Kataka and regulate your dharma and karma(in D-10 your Rajya pada is placed in kataka). Please jot down the date June 18th, 2005. It is a Saturday and Ekadashi thithi rules that day. Observe vratha on that day and perform abhisheka (especially with Milk) to the Lord during Moon's Hora preferably chanting Rudram & chamkam. You can consume the prasada offered by the Lord. Distribute food packets to the poor on that day. If that is not possible offer food grains to the Siva temple where you are performing the abhisheka. The much needed turn around in career front would come. By the way have you done anything to remove the curse on Buda(navamsa) who is the 10th lord from Moon? If not please do it. i believe you are living in Mumbai. You can go to kochu Guruvayoor temple in Matunga on a wednesday. Place two lamps(you should light the lamp) in the santum sanctorum and bring one lamp(you need only to bring the lamp as jyothi/lit lamp cannot be brought easily) back to your place of residence. Light it daily and feel the presence of lord. Chant 'OM TAT VISHNU'.i have given the upaya for the sign dispositor of buda(sani - in navamsa). May Mother Bless. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- onlyhari <onlyhari wrote: ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sri Ramanarayan, That is brilliant! My work (incidentally, I also have Guru in lagna) has been done, thanks in no small measure to you. Now it is upto the blessed Lord to smile and shower his divine grace. Jaya Jagannatha regards Hari vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Vijayadas, > > Namaste. Lagna is the seat of intelligence and Guru > signifies 'dhi' sakthi. Guru takes 12 years to come > back to its position held 12 years back. > Understanding the seat of intelligence and 'dhi' > sakthi is a 12 year process. You know the reason for > this! 8th house signifies transformation. Infact this > is the 1st transformation. While the 2nd > transformation is 3rd house(8th from 8th). The third > transformation is 10th house(8th from 3rd). This way > we understand that 6th house is the 11th > transformation and that lagna is the 12th > transformation. You might have heard about the > 'dhimantah' yoga which speaks about the illumination > of the intellect. The 2nd cycle of Guru begins in the > 13th year. We usually do kumbha abhishekam once in 12 > years. It is a return to garbha griha. > > Death is not a full stop. It is infact a > transformation. The secrets of life after death are > closely guarded. What is required is the vairaghya of > 'nachiketa'. > > What does the holy 16 steps/shodasi reveals? You will > come face to face with you when you enter the 16th > chamber(shodasa varga). In the 16th chamber you will > realise that you are the 'chitragupta' yourself(chitra > means recorded imprints and images while gupta means > rahasya/secret).Do you know the 16th chamber? It is > called the shastyamsa. > > The point that rises in the zodiac echoes its > vibrations throughout the zodiac. This is the most > important understanding. The waves are set in motion > the movement a birth takes place. > > You have a desire to swim but you are not sure of > what would happen next! The lagna that you hold in > ksetra/rasi is the maximum effort taken by you. The > movement you take once step further you will knock at > the gates of hora(the lagna in vargas are the gates to > next school/level of understanding). > > What exactly is the problem! i find your Guru the > lagna lord placed beautifully in lagna is under the > domain of the lord 'YAMA'. This direction of 'dhi' > sakthi is undesireable as it gives negative energies > of kalachakra only. How then can we change the > direction? We need to only pray to 'YAMA' who is > Dharma personified. Light a lamp everyday and chant > the following mantra. "OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO > BHIMASHANKARAAYA". YAMA would definitely be pleased > and will definetly allow you to progress further. > > You are currently running the drig dasa of kataka > where ketu is placed. Incidentally kataka is your 8th > house which indicates a transformation. If you are > able to reverse and offer prayer to Lord Siva then > that is the best that can happen. > > Like the Lord, the zodiac is one but appears as many. > Vijayadas is one but he is husband to his wife, son to > his parents.. The angles differ. There are so many > chakras. The Guru chakra is only a replica of the > 'Brihaspati chakra'(please do understand that sapta > rishi mandala also moves - pushya nakshatra is lorded > by Brihaspati). > > The life which you talk about is based on the energies > expressed by Sakthi. What about nisabdha? This is > the beauty of kalachakra. Mesha is the starting point > of Savya chakra while Vrischika is the starting point > of the Apasavya chakra. As a coin has two faces/sides > similarly there are two faces to the same chakra. One > is called as the bahir muka while the other one is > called as antar mukha. > > i hope you got the clue. As regards mantra and diksha > you may please wait there is still some more time > left. But i feel you are running the most important > period of transformation and you can utilise this > well. Catch hold of the mantra referred above and > progress. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> > wrote: > > > > Dear Hari > > Thanks a lot for your kind mail and guidance.I will do > my homework and > reply later for other parts.. > > Regarding kalachakra i have read shri Ramanarayan jis > valauble write > up.There two zodiacs are being mentioned.Also you have > mentioned about > parasharas advise to draw apasavya and savya chakras. > > My understanding is as follows.Sages always use > narrations along with > philosophy to make the ganita easy.The stories from > ancient tamil > manuscripts are also the same.These are valuable > narrations to drive > home the point. > > I may be wrong but my understanding is - Zodiac is > one. > Normal navamshas that we have understood follows order > of 1,10,7,4. > That is 1st navamsha in aries is aries,first in taurus > is > capricorn,first in gemini is Libra,first in cancer is > cancer. > > When we study kalachakra we will find a jump after 3 > nakshathras or 12 > navamshas ,making us think it as another > zodiac.Actually this jump is > exactly to another sign ruled by the same > planet.Thereafter we have a > pratiloma movement. > > Now coming back to normal navamshas - After meena > navamsha ie end of > karttika one should have mesha as the first navamsha > for rohini.But it > is Vrischika for the same reason mentioned above - ie > common lordship > by Mars.Sage used term simhavalokan to make one > understand this > apasavya navamsha. > > I need some time ,and beleive with GOD's grace will be > able to explain > all gathis w.r to one zodiac. > > Prashara might have advised to draw two chakras > inorder to avoid > confusion between anuloma pratiloma for savya - > apasavya. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" > <onlyhari> wrote: > > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > (Pradeep)In fact,though dasha was missing, I was > referring to > > > kalachakra dasha. For me the Rashi chakra is the > main mandala and it > > > is just one.Earth is just like a sand particle w.r > to the rashi > > > chakra. Irrespective of dasha systems - the > fundamental divisions > > > should have a common base. Thus navamshas should > have a common link > > > (if not same - If you understand what I mean by > tattwa or belonging > > > to a lord,it will be clear) - no matter- > kalachakra or varga > > > navamsha. The worry was, relating kalachAkra > navamsha with varga > > > navamsha. Relations are possible. But our > understanding of varga > > > navamshas have to be restructured - similar to > shri Narasimhas > > > opinion. > > > > [Hari] What is this term called mandala? Is it to be > equated with > > zodiac or cakra? I am not clear. kalacakra dasa has > a whole set of > > principles to be understood and Ramanarayan/Sanjay > have given an > > outstanding explanation at the SJC Mumbai conference > > > > > > > (Pradeep) - I just want to know how this is > possible,when there is > > > neither sanction nor astronomical possibility. > > > > [Hari] That seems to be your stated opinion/bias. > Lets revisit it > > after some time. > > > > > > > (Pradeep)Hari you are bringing in something which > is out of > > > context.Precession of equinoxes and muddle of > ayanamsha's have no > > > relevance here. There is only one zodiac ,and > starting point is your > > > choice. > > > > > > Now for Kalachakra dasha too, there are no two > zodiacs. Savya and > > > Apasavya are for nakshathra's and refers to right > and left. I cannot > > > tell you more on this at the moment. But it is > like this. Start from > > > Ashwathi and count 3 stars on 3 fingers(2nd 3rd > and 4th fingers) of > > > your right hand and next three stars on 3 fingers > of your left hand. > > > Next three again on your right hand and so on. We > will end up with > > > 15 and 12 for right and left respectively.Again > for right hand > > > nakshathras (15) seperate the ones falling on 2 nd > and 4th fingers > > > as ashvathi group and middle finger ones as > bharani > > > group. Similarly there is a law for left hand > nakshathras. How this > > > comes is a question - it can be symbolically the > fingers of Lord > > > Shiva.I have to read more and I need time for > this. > > > > [Hari] Cakras are very much relevant here to the > creation on bhuloka. > > When we come to the computational details, then here > comes the > > ayanamsa and what not. No sir, I am not trying to > bring them here only > > introduce a step-by-step way of building up the > understanding of the > > whole Jyotisa sastra. And you are wrong in your > statement about > > kalacakra dasa; at the very beginning of kalacakra > dasa verses, > > Parasara advises us to draw two cakras: savya or > apasavya cakras in > > order to understand how the order of the kalacakra > dasa or the > > different gatis are arrived at. But your thinking > concerning savya and > > apasavya naksatras is very correct; the principle of > alternate right > > and left hand has a much deeper significance other > than being an > > efficient aid in remembering the computation of > kalacakra dasa. > > > > > > > (Pradeep) Chakra was inadvertently used. I can > answer your point (1) > > > only upon a condition. Condition is - you should > not ask me why we > > > have only 12 signs? I will be helpless. Now if we > agree about 12 > > > > [Hari] Somebody called Panditji has already answered > the question in > > another email; so now the logic of the 12 signs is > rooted in > > astronomy. Are you clear on this? Having divided the > zodiac into 12 > > signs or the dwadasa adityas, the next step is to > define the > > properties of the signs and the planets which is > done in the graha and > > rasi rupaadhyayah. > > > > > > > Thus within the zodiac ,which is 360 degrees, if > you have 12 signs > > > one sign has to be 30 degrees. After defining such > rashi's (together > > > constituting the zodiac), sage explained divisions > of such > > > individual rashis - and named them as vargas. Each > rashi becomes a > > > bhava and such bhavas lords fall in vargas. As > Lagna too is having a > > > sphuta it too will fall in different vargas. > > > > [Hari] wrong again; after defining the 12 signs > based on the repeating > > principle of sun & moon conjunction which symbolize > the creative > > principle at work (purusha & prakriti), the next > step is to ponder the > > influence of the signs on (say) humans...thus arose > the concept of > > kalapurusha. I request you to read the article on > creation by Pt > > Sanjay Rath to gain a deeper understanding. > > > > > > > > As you have said, I have been explaining this > umpteen times. But > > > still everyone is coming with the same question > again & again. > > > > [Hari] I understood you (as I have been following > your posts for quite > > sometime) but I want to walk the road with you > starting from the > > foundations upwards. In the process hopefully both > of us benefit. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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