Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Nemani

[Guest guest]

Dear Nemani ji

 

Namaste

 

Sanjay ji was kind enough to consider my questions and treat them as

valid, though you give me an 'honour' -advanced soul.

 

Only time can tell whether we will gain something from these

discussions.It is a learning exercise and let us wait.

 

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani"

<raon1008> wrote:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Hari,

>

> Very good questions indeed, that is why I do not participate

> in these discussions, instead use that time in learning and

> helping some one.

>

> Also I am not that knowledgable to debate with these

> advanced souls who are repeatedly asking same questions

> even the tips/answers/hints given by our Gurus.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

>

> vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Please address me simply as Hari. No need for Sri or ji.

> >

> > I have been following your mails on this topic for quite

sometime.

> > Other persons have acknowledged your questions as *valid*. Yet,

this

> > topic has suddenly become an unceasing quest for you; what

happened

> to

> > the fine analyses we used to see from you in earlier days? I

> remember

> > corresponding with you over some quizzes etc. Now there is only

this

> > unvarying thread from you; is it so important that other facets

of

> > Jyotisa sastra do not deserve a lookin at all? When Sarajit

referred

> > you to Jaimini Upadesa sutras and Deva Keralam, why did you not

go

> > there to take a look and reclarify your position? Instead you

have

> > repeated the same strain again. Have you taken a look at

kalachakra

> > dasa verses by Parasara? The way I see it is that you are stuck

at a

> > particular chapter or topic and refuse to move on; it is not

correct

> > (again my view; you are free to disagree); you should read the

whole

> > book and then other classical references before forming a

holistic

> > view on this topic. For your kind information, cakras are not

> simply a

> > drawing tool for visualization/easy depiction. For more on this,

you

> > should consider bowing before Vedavyasa and requesting him to

send

> you

> > a Guru to guide you in this. I caution you that I am not being

> > facetious here.

> >

> > Let me go back to your theme now:

> >

> > If you maintain that divisionals are not to be visualized as

charts,

> > then I must ask you why alone is the rasi to be visualized as a

> chart?

> > It is the first division of the 360 degrees zodiac (why 12

signs,

> why

> > not 8 or 14?) and therefore very much a divisional as envisaged

by

> you.

> >

> > If you say that bhavas are applicable in rasi, I will ask you why

> > bhavas are not applicable in other divisionals because the rasi

is a

> > divisional just like the others? If you had studied Sarajits

quotes

> > from BPHS regarding sodasavargaadhyayah, you would have noticed

that

> > rasi is listed there first, then hora then drekkana etc.

> >

> > best regards

> > Hari

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

> > >

> > > Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not

get

> same

> > > results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -

Bengali,south

> indian

> > > or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a

piece

> of

> > > paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

> > >

> > > Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

> > > principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

> > >

> > > Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether

when

> > > arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I

am

> > > trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari"

<onlyhari>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at

all?

> After

> > > > all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and

> according

> > > > to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > > Hari

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> > > > <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Vijaydas,

> > > > >

> > > > > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not

> mentioned that

> > > > either.

> > > > > He has written about it in the same breath as the other

> divisions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarbani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

> dasa /Shri

> > > > Sarajit

> > > > > Poddar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what

you

> have

> > > > > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have

> mentioned

> > > > > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has

> > mentioned

> > > > > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of

a ''house

> or

> > > > > Rashi'' and its strength.

> > > > > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some

significance

> > based on

> > > > > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> > > > > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd

> house or

> > > > > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> > > > > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after

lagna

> > (younger

> > > > > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

> > considered as

> > > > > houses

> > > > > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign

is a

> > > dashamsha.

> > > > > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one

has

> to see

> > > > > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding

> varga.

> > > > > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly

> explained.

> > > > > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of

houses

> and

> > > > > strength of lords,with care.

> > > > >

> > > > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according

to

> the

> > > > > divisions of Houses.

> > > > > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay

> even

> > a step

> > > > > forward in the direction of astrology."

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets

as

> > numerous

> > > > > planets can have a role for 10th house like

> owner,aspect,conjunction

> > > > > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> > > > > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too

> convey the

> > > > > same meaning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we

refer

> > to the

> > > > > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are

> unimportant.

> > > > >

> > > > > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from

> drekkana,sage

> > > > > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned

planets

> > from the

> > > > > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is

very

> clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how

> exactly to

> > > > > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and

> he "might"

> > > > > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

> > demonstrate

> > > > > how to apply them''.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the

> interpretation of

> > > > > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in

divisional ''charts''

> > instead

> > > > > of Divisions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given

is

> not

> > > > > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

> > divisons of

> > > > > houses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > > > > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering

them

> > > would help

> > > > > > others too understanding the topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chapter 6:

> > > > > > Sloka 2-4:

> > > > > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16

kinds

> of

> > Vargas

> > > > > > (Divisions) for each R⺩. Listen to those. The names

are R

> ⺩,

> > > Hor⬊> > > > > Dreshkan, Chaturthⱺ, Saptⱺ, Navⱺ,

Dashⱺ, Dvadashⱺ,

> > > > Shodashⱺ,

> > > > > > Vimshⱺ, Chaturvimshⱺ, Saptavimshⱺ, Trimshⱺ,

Khavedⱺ,

> > > > > Akshavedⱺ

> > > > > > and Shashtiⱺ.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chapter 7:

> > > > > > Sloka 1-8:

> > > > > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness

through

> > > > co-born from

> > > > > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthⱺ, sons and grandsons

from

> > > > > Saptⱺ, spouse

> > > > > > from Navⱺ, power (and position) from Dashⱺ, parents

from

> > > > Dvadashⱺ,

> > > > > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from

Shodashⱺ,

> > > > > worship from

> > > > > > Vimshⱺ, learning from Chaturvimshⱺ, strength and

weakness

> from

> > > > > > Saptavimshⱺ, evil effects from Trimshⱺ, auspicious

and

> > > > inauspicious

> > > > > > effects from Khavedⱺ and all indications from both

> > Akshavedⱺ and

> > > > > > Shashtiⱺ: these are the considerations to be made

through

> the

> > > > > respective

> > > > > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic

Shashtiⱺ, will

> > > > > diminish; so

> > > > > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a

benefic

> > > > Shodashⱺ,

> > > > > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in

> reading what

> > > > > Maharishi

> > > > > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly

went

> > to the

> > > > > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and

the

> > Special

> > > > > Lagnas.

> > > > > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on

> describing

> > > > > the other

> > > > > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of

different

> houses.

> > > > What

> > > > > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the

> subject in

> > > > > this order?

> > > > > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to

> apply the

> > > > > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional

> charts to

> > > > > all the

> > > > > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts.

However,

> to

> > > make it

> > > > > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen

from

> the

> > each

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned

for

> > > > bhavas etc.

> > > > > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better

results

> > related

> > > > > to that

> > > > > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer,

how

> exactly

> > > > > to apply

> > > > > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and

> he "might" have

> > > > > expected

> > > > > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

how

> to

> > apply

> > > > > them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***********************

> > > > > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > > > > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the

information

> on the

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of

> Rasi. To

> > > > > highlight

> > > > > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka

12 ,

> where he

> > > > says

> > > > > > that:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted

according

> to the

> > > > > divisions

> > > > > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords,

one

> cannot

> > > > > lay even a

> > > > > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went

on

> > > > > explaining more

> > > > > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the

> day/

> > night

> > > > > signs,

> > > > > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

> > explain the

> > > > > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

> also

> > we can

> > > > > think

> > > > > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the

rasi

> > charts

> > > > > but also

> > > > > > to the divisional charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

> mapping

> > of the

> > > > > Zodiac,

> > > > > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the

> Kalapurusha.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > based on the principle that everything in this world

> follows the

> > > > > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is

> not the

> > > > actual

> > > > > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to

actual

> zodiac

> > > > can be

> > > > > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as

in

> D-24

> > > > > sign and

> > > > > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover

if

> > divisions

> > > > > are not

> > > > > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under

> this

> > > > > category is

> > > > > > given so much of importance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has

> given

> > many

> > > > > gems on

> > > > > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa,

Trimsamsa,

> Rudramsa

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are the

> > similar as

> > > > > that of

> > > > > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on

> Navamsa

> > > > usage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa

chart

> for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the

mails,

> > since he

> > > > > is very

> > > > > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this

as

> his

> > > > silence.

> > > > > > Thanks for understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > Sarajit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > > > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

> dasa /Shri

> > > > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared

to

> me.I

> > have

> > > > > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > > > > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect

is

> in

> > > > > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has

been

> > > helping me

> > > > > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

> suggestions

> > for my

> > > > > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and

> vomiting)

> > helped

> > > > > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But you have said, what i wanted to say -

Understanding.I

> have not

> > > > > > understood.

> > > > > > I have been writing all these mails to get a

satisfactory

> answer

> > > > > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you

> would be

> > > > > > willing to give an explanation.

> > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > > > > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can

use

> it as a

> > > > > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

> > > astronomically it

> > > > > > is impossible?

> > > > > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some

says in

> > > vargas it

> > > > > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven

> signs

> > > > > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > > > > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by

> many,

> > > happens

> > > > > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > > > > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can

conjunct

> as

> > > they may

> > > > > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

> > belonging to

> > > > > > different lords.

> > > > > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas,

but

> only

> > > > lords!!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous

> things are

> > > > > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > > > > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of

your

> > stature

> > > > > > will be able to explain any given incident from that

> chart.Can you

> > > > > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > > > > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince

people

> and

> > > > > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > > > > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the

> concerned

> > > > > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > > > > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results

and

> vice

> > > versa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as

a

> > gauge for

> > > > > > knowledge and confirmation.

> > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

> Elections.Does that

> > > > > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many

good

> > > predictions

> > > > > > at other times.

> > > > > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time

> periods.

> > > > > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri

> Santhanam

> > > found it

> > > > > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did

D.v.Subbu

> Rao

> > > had a

> > > > > > different opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

> > > Vandya.Agreeing

> > > > > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more

of

> a Guru

> > > > > > Ninda for me.

> > > > > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will

be

> kind

> > > if you

> > > > > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be

used

> as

> > full

> > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to

get

> the

> > > > > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > > > > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

> considered as

> > > > > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > > > > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the

> tattwas to

> > > > > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep

layer

> by

> > layer.

> > > > > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > > > > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the

divisions

> > > right from

> > > > > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional

charts

> > need to

> > > > > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy

> behind

> > > > its and

> > > > > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However,

only

> > because

> > > > > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some

> aspects

> > of a

> > > > > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is

incorrect.

> > > > > Moreover, it

> > > > > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have

> mentioned,

> > it is

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that

someone

> > who is

> > > > > > new to

> > > > > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and

basics,

> however

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into

the

> > > > subject and

> > > > > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of

> using the

> > > > > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so

> Maharishi

> > > > > Parashara,

> > > > > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha

> Daivagna and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where

the

> > > brevity of

> > > > > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever

the

> point

> > > > > it, the

> > > > > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in

> eating...

> > > > try it

> > > > > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell

> them to

> > > study

> > > > > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before

> using

> > them.

> > > > > Isn't

> > > > > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sarajit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > > > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa

> Narayana dasa

> > > > (Re:

> > > > > > > > Accident schematic)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> > > gentleman who

> > > > > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > > > permission to

> > > > > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

> various

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies

to

> Mr.

> > > > > pradeep if I

> > > > > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding

technical

> points.

> > > > > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that

> ease our

> > > > > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

> reason

> > we use

> > > > > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical

> sophistication.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

> should we

> > > > use our

> > > > > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe,

at

> the

> > > > building

> > > > > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

> steps)

> > > one can

> > > > > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the

basics

> and goes

> > > > > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to

dashamsha

> > whenever

> > > > > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even

without

> > > > knowing how

> > > > > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

> division

> > > of the

> > > > > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th

house. I

> got

> > > > private

> > > > > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

> > matters, but

> > > > > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the

usage of

> > it as a

> > > > > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As

per

> Shri

> > > > > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas -

 

> just the

> > > > lords

> > > > > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

> trikonas

> > etc in

> > > > > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself

is

> against

> > > > > > > > rules?.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we

will

> fall.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

from

> basics.

> > > > If we

> > > > > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

> erected on

> > > > top.

> > > > > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

> > techniques we

> > > > > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep

and

> > > open mind

> > > > > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not

necessary

> to

> > > accept

> > > > > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn

from

> you

> > > > and vice

> > > > > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see

this

> > in the

> > > > > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do

not

> accept

> > > > > > > > anything blindly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from

rashi

> and it

> > > > > > trumps all

> > > > > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

> planets

> > in it

> > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go

> jumping to

> > > > > > divisional

> > > > > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

> > parashara said

> > > > > > to use

> > > > > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

> pedantic

> > > > > argument

> > > > > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar

said

> to use

> > > > > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

> influence

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

> divisional 1-7

> > > > > axis is

> > > > > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the

primary

> > > > factors are

> > > > > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart

is

> it

> > > is not

> > > > > > going

> > > > > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in

> > rashi but

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is

one

> of the

> > > > > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

> connection with

> > > > > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an

exception

> and do

> > > > not go

> > > > > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

> > habit. I am

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the

> cases.

> > > Also I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make

facial

> > features

> > > > > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are

100s or

> > > 1000s of

> > > > > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place.

This

> is a

> > > > > conjecture,

> > > > > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me

statistical

> record

> > > > of how

> > > > > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same

> time.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he

says

> > Moon is

> > > > > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this

the

> > > > > parashar who

> > > > > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of

> budhh,

> > > so that

> > > > > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much

later

> > date or

> > > > > > it was

> > > > > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never

> mentions

> > > > about

> > > > > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the

name,

> ( Hart

> > > > Defaw

> > > > > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When

budh

> is in

> > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

> immpossibility.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

> deciphering

> > > what was

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many

> areas of

> > > > > > jyotish and

> > > > > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use

> methods

> > > > that have

> > > > > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be

really

> > surprised

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

> the past.

> > > > > May be

> > > > > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these

> elaborate

> > > charts

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done

Lagna

> rashi,

> > > Moon

> > > > > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

> client

> > > > > > insisted). In

> > > > > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is

not

> so

> > in the

> > > > > > > >> western part of India.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Anyway

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> ...

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> > <amoebabhu>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > > > > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe

in

> > > > personalized

> > > > > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will

have

> any

> > > personal

> > > > > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi

charts

> and

> > > not give

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it

not

> be true

> > > > that a

> > > > > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology)

> would end

> > > > up with

> > > > > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and

the

> other a

> > > > > pauper (

> > > > > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > Kartik

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend

> something that

> > > > > has not

> > > > > > > >> > been

> > > > > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He

> > mentioned

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since

the

> day of

> > > > > > parashar

> > > > > > > >> > you

> > > > > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are

talking

> as

> > if you

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > >> > had a

> > > > > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement

that

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > >> > came in

> > > > > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now

even a

> novice

> > > > > > with one

> > > > > > > >> > day

> > > > > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can

write

> off

> > pages

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from

what

> rashi

> > > > > dasha he

> > > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

> divisional

> > > > > charts is a

> > > > > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and

my

> > > > > intention was

> > > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand

fathers',

> as I do

> > > > > not know

> > > > > > > >> > his

> > > > > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I

have

> > seen a

> > > > > few on

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and

on

> about

> > > > > > divisionals

> > > > > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no

> tomorrow.

> > > I put

> > > > > > out my

> > > > > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their

own

> > > > judgements

> > > > > > > >> > about

> > > > > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you

want

> to use 5

> > > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a

correct

> > > > > > prediction, all

> > > > > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel

is a

> > approach

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > >> > has

> > > > > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those

> methods. I

> > > am not

> > > > > > > >> > forcing

> > > > > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have

an

> opinion

> > > > and an

> > > > > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but

has

> been

> > > > > taught by

> > > > > > > >> > great

> > > > > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > > > Raman..etc.), why

> > > > > > > >> > should

> > > > > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have

> time and

> > > > > > > >> > inclination I

> > > > > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing

so, I

> > feel I

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > >> > put

> > > > > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to

> read. I

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats

not my

> > style.

> > > > > > But if I

> > > > > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology

I

> voice my

> > > > > > opinion.

> > > > > > > >> > Let

> > > > > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want

to

> use.

> > Your

> > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > >> > may

> > > > > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if

someone

> > puts out

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > ...

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000,

naaraayana_iyer

> > > > > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

> would

> > > > > surprise me

> > > > > > > >> > if

> > > > > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are

always

> > > > principles,

> > > > > > > >> > idioms,

> > > > > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> > subjected to

> > > > > > > >> > testing! On

> > > > > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that

these

> > > principles

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> > > probable that

> > > > > > > >> > these

> > > > > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

> matter no

> > > > > > > >> > principles

> > > > > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could

> also be

> > > > entirely

> > > > > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

> > > rectification. One

> > > > > > > >> > should

> > > > > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > > > principles are

> > > > > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied

upon!

> If

> > > > thats the

> > > > > > > >> > matter,

> > > > > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer

> programs

> > > > which made

> > > > > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the

precomputer

> days,by

> > > > > the time

> > > > > > > >> > one

> > > > > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and

verified,

> the

> > jatak

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > >> > have

> > > > > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from

the

> > past few

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > >> > and I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

> applicability or

> > > even

> > > > > > > >> > > > > applicability

> > > > > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

> will

> > be one

> > > > > > or two

> > > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they

say

> here

> > > in the

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > >> > cold

> > > > > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals

were

> in

> > vogue

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start,

he

> > > > defined and

> > > > > > > >> > gave

> > > > > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

> Shastiamsa!

> > > > > Are you

> > > > > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

> about

> > it so

> > > > > > that we

> > > > > > > >> > can

> > > > > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had

> nothing

> > > > better to

> > > > > > > >> > do???

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into

the

> > > depths of

> > > > > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

> grandfather

> > > > of Pt

> > > > > > > >> > Sanjay

> > > > > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all

divisions,

> and

> > > ... you

> > > > > > > >> > would be

> > > > > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is

the 6

> levels

> > > > deep!

> > > > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

> time, and

> > > > > hence,

> > > > > > > >> > they

> > > > > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

> Most

> > of the

> > > > > > times,

> > > > > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

> restrict

> > > > > > themselves to

> > > > > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

and

> > they do

> > > > > > rely a

> > > > > > > >> > lot

> > > > > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves

to

> Rasi &

> > > > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > > >> > we

> > > > > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid

intuition! Oh

> > yes ...

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to

> Rasi &

> > > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the

> results,

> > > if not

> > > > > > > >> > lagna,

> > > > > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research

is

> > > > required to

> > > > > > > >> > come up

> > > > > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be

tested

> > > > > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there

is

> no

> > > formal

> > > > > > > >> > process

> > > > > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter

seriously

> in the

> > > > coming

> > > > > > > >> > years!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

> spoon

> > feed

> > > > > ... he

> > > > > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think

thoroughly,

> to whet

> > > > their

> > > > > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ...

Adversity

> breeds

> > > > > > CHARACTER!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the

event

> > which is

> > > > > > > >> > already

> > > > > > > >> > > > known.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an

example

> of

> > > > father's

> > > > > > > >> > death.

> > > > > > > >> > > > For

> > > > > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> > > dwadashansha. Now

> > > > > > > >> > why ? Why

> > > > > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?

> Then why

> > > > not 2nd

> > > > > > > >> > from

> > > > > > > >> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of

d-

> 12 if

> > > > one does

> > > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > find

> > > > > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

> arudh

> > of 9th

> > > > > in D-

> > > > > > > >> > 12. It

> > > > > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one

can

> cover

> > > all 12

> > > > > > > >> > rashis

> > > > > > > >> > > > and I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are

running

> at the

> > > > > time of

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > known

> > > > > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was

> spoonfed!!

> > > He too

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath,

KN

> Rao and

> > > > > come up

> > > > > > > >> > with

> > > > > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I

am

> not

> > > > sure, if

> > > > > > > >> > even

> > > > > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of

predicting

> events,

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you

have

> and

> > > > > develop a

> > > > > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast

75

> percent

> > > > > > > >> > cases.Then

> > > > > > > >> > > > make

> > > > > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go

> based

> > > on the

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >> > you

> > > > > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are

principles

> > that have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > >> > > > developed

> > > > > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master

those

> first.

> > > > > Trust me

> > > > > > > >> > they

> > > > > > > >> > > > work

> > > > > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on

the

> basis of

> > > > > > > >> > probability,

> > > > > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an

> event

> > > > > happening is

> > > > > > > >> > high

> > > > > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters

explaining

> the

> > > event,

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

> > although they

> > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting

chara

> Bhratri

> > > > Karak

> > > > > > > >> > caused

> > > > > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

> incomplete and a

> > > > > totally

> > > > > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > Narayan

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000,

mikefranc01

> > > > > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and

it

> shows

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > >> > else.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

> (March

> > 1993,)

> > > > > I was

> > > > > > > >> > > > running

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident

was

> in Dec

> > > 1996

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > >> > was

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone

4:00:00

> > > (East of

> > > > > > GMT).

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that

you

> > > stated in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >> > > > email

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be

> applied, and

> > > > > you did

> > > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > state.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "Narasimha

> > > > P.V.R.

> > > > > > > >> > Rao"

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> Accident

> > > > > > schematic)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and

Hence

> Cars

> > > come

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > >> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all

> yogas

> > > > > > > >> > (combinations) in

> > > > > > > >> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars.

> Here A4

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >> > > > taken in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries

and

> > anxieties

> > > > > > > >> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to

> cars and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > >> > sukha.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will

destroy

> the car.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and

7th.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the

> Yoga's

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > >> > above.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also

as a

> > > potential

> > > > > > > >> > problem

> > > > > > > >> > > > sign.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970,

5:47:13 pm

> > (IST),

> > > > > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th

December

> > 1996 at

> > > > > > 6:30 pm

> > > > > > > >> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the

car

> was

> > > > > "totalled".

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this

happened

> in Li-Ta

> > > > > > > >> > antardasa.

> > > > > > > >> > > > In my

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and

contains

> > > > 3rd/12th lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4,

showing

> > the loss

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th

house,

> > showing

> > > > > > > >> > problems in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of

rule

> of

> > > > Narayana

> > > > > > > >> > dasa

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too.

Mahadasa

> sign

> > > Li is a

> > > > > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> > > > one-third. Its

> > > > > > > >> > lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > Venus

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

> gives his

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > >> > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third

gives

> the

> > > > results of

> > > > > > > >> > > > occupants

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates

and

> > they are

> > > > > > Venus,

> > > > > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of

longitudes.

> We

> > > > > divide the

> > > > > > > >> > last

> > > > > > > >> > > > one-

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

give

> > them to

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > >> > 4

> > > > > > > >> > > > planets

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's

aspect on

> > > > > mahadasa sign

> > > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > given

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th

lord,

> > occupies

> > > > > > badhaka

> > > > > > > >> > > > sthana

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles

Libra.

> So the

> > > > sub-

> > > > > > > >> > period

> > > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems.

Not

> only

> > did I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > an

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

> bought

> > in Jan

> > > > > 1997

> > > > > > > >> > > > suffered

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it

was

> > > parked in a

> > > > > > > >> > parking

> > > > > > > >> > > > lot.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit

it

> twice.

> > > > After

> > > > > > > >> > these

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky"

> car and

> > > > bought

> > > > > > > >> > another

> > > > > > > >> > > > new

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the

> > sub-period

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

> happened

> > > that the

> > > > > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was

> Mercury-Ketu

> > > > > > antardasa.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of

1996-

> 97,

> > D-16

> > > > > > had Leo

> > > > > > > >> > > > rising,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

> Saturn,

> > > > Rahu and

> > > > > > > >> > Ketu.

> > > > > > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi

> Ashtottari

> > > > dasa was

> > > > > > > >> > running

> > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never

> seizes to

> > > > > amaze me!

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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Om Krishna Guru

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

Thank you for your understanding Sir. Let us keep learning

together.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

 

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Nemani ji

>

> Namaste

>

> Sanjay ji was kind enough to consider my questions and treat them

as

> valid, though you give me an 'honour' -advanced soul.

>

> Only time can tell whether we will gain something from these

> discussions.It is a learning exercise and let us wait.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani"

> <raon1008> wrote:

> >

> > Om Krishna Guru

> >

> > Namaste Hari,

> >

> > Very good questions indeed, that is why I do not participate

> > in these discussions, instead use that time in learning and

> > helping some one.

> >

> > Also I am not that knowledgable to debate with these

> > advanced souls who are repeatedly asking same questions

> > even the tips/answers/hints given by our Gurus.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raghunatha Rao