Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Sanjay Rath

March 22, 2005

Dear shri Sanjay ji

I feel there is only one zodiac.Even in Kalchakra dasha it is just

one zodiac.It is the progression of kaala that makes us feel about

different zodiacs.

What do you think about the normal navamsha that we use.Is it a

parivritti traya or not? This is just to get my basics clear.

I feel navamsha of kalachakra and vimshottaris should also be

same.Shri Narasimha has raised a vital point regarding amsha lords.

Kindly look into this.

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> There are two kinds of amsha Pradeep. One is repetition of the

zodiac based

> on Parivritti principle while the other is not so. Some divisions

follow the

> parivritti while others don't. Parasara tell us which do and which

don't but

> the text is silent about why. That's textual knowledge.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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>

> >

> >vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> >Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:09 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> >/Shri Sarajit Poddar

> >

> >Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

> >

> >Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get

same

> >results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south

indian

> >or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece

of

> >paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

> >

> >Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

> >principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

> >

> >Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

> >arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

> >trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

> >

> >Thanks

> >Pradeep

> >

> >vedic astrology, "onlyhari"

> ><onlyhari> wrote:

> >>

> >> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> >>

> >> Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

> >>

> >> Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all?

After

> >> all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and

according

> >> to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

> >>

> >> best regards

> >> Hari

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> >> <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> >> > Dear Vijaydas,

> >> >

> >> > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not

> >mentioned that

> >> either.

> >> > He has written about it in the same breath as the other

divisions.

> >> >

> >> > Best regards,

> >> >

> >> > Sarbani

> >> >

> >> > _____

> >> >

> >> > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> >> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> >> > vedic astrology

> >> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

dasa /Shri

> >> Sarajit

> >> > Poddar

> >> >

> >> > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> >> >

> >> > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you

have

> >> > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have

mentioned

> >> > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma

> >has mentioned

> >> > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house

or

> >> > Rashi'' and its strength.

> >> > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some

> >significance based on

> >> > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> >> > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd

house or

> >> > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> >> > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after

> >lagna (younger

> >> > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

> >considered as

> >> > houses

> >> > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

> >dashamsha.

> >> > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one

> >has to see

> >> > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding

varga.

> >> > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly

explained.

> >> > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses

and

> >> > strength of lords,with care.

> >> >

> >> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to

the

> >> > divisions of Houses.

> >> > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay

> >even a step

> >> > forward in the direction of astrology."

> >> >

> >> > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets

> >as numerous

> >> > planets can have a role for 10th house like

> >owner,aspect,conjunction

> >> > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> >> > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too

> >convey the

> >> > same meaning.

> >> >

> >> > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we

> >refer to the

> >> > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are

unimportant.

> >> >

> >> > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from

drekkana,sage

> >> > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned

> >planets from the

> >> > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> >> >

> >> > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very

clear.

> >> >

> >> > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how

exactly to

> >> > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and

> >he "might"

> >> > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

> >demonstrate

> >> > how to apply them''.

> >> >

> >> > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the

interpretation of

> >> > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional

> >''charts'' instead

> >> > of Divisions.

> >> >

> >> > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is

not

> >> > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

> >divisons of

> >> > houses.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks

> >> > Pradeep

> >> >

> >> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> >> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> >> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> >> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> >> > >

> >> > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

> >would help

> >> > > others too understanding the topic.

> >> > >

> >> > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> >> > >

> >> > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> >> > >

> >> > > Chapter 6:

> >> > > Sloka 2-4:

> >> > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16

> >kinds of Vargas

> >> > > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are

Râúi,

> >Horâ,

> >> > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

> >> Shodashâñú,

> >> > > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú,

Khavedâñú,

> >> > Akshavedâñú

> >> > > and Shashtiâñú.

> >> > >

> >> > > Chapter 7:

> >> > > Sloka 1-8:

> >> > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

> >> co-born from

> >> > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

> >> > Saptâñú, spouse

> >> > > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

> >> Dvadashâñú,

> >> > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from

Shodashâñú,

> >> > worship from

> >> > > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and

> >weakness from

> >> > > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

> >> inauspicious

> >> > > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both

> >Akshavedâñú and

> >> > > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through

the

> >> > respective

> >> > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú,

will

> >> > diminish; so

> >> > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

> >> Shodashâñú,

> >> > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> >> > >

> >> > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in

reading what

> >> > Maharishi

> >> > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly

> >went to the

> >> > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and

> >the Special

> >> > Lagnas.

> >> > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on

describing

> >> > the other

> >> > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different

houses.

> >> What

> >> > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the

subject in

> >> > this order?

> >> > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to

> >apply the

> >> > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional

charts to

> >> > all the

> >> > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However,

to

> >make it

> >> > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen

> >from the each

> >> > of the

> >> > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

> >> bhavas etc.

> >> > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better

> >results related

> >> > to that

> >> > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer,

> >how exactly

> >> > to apply

> >> > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he

> >"might" have

> >> > expected

> >> > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

> >how to apply

> >> > them.

> >> > >

> >> > > ***********************

> >> > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> >> > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information

on the

> >> > divisional

> >> > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of

Rasi. To

> >> > highlight

> >> > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12

> >, where he

> >> says

> >> > > that:

> >> > >

> >> > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according

to the

> >> > divisions

> >> > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one

cannot

> >> > lay even a

> >> > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> >> > >

> >> > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> >> > explaining more

> >> > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the

> >day/ night

> >> > signs,

> >> > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

> >explain the

> >> > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

> >also we can

> >> > think

> >> > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the

> >rasi charts

> >> > but also

> >> > > to the divisional charts.

> >> > >

> >> > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> >> > >

> >> > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

> >mapping of the

> >> > Zodiac,

> >> > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the

Kalapurusha.

> >> > This is

> >> > > based on the principle that everything in this world

follows the

> >> > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is

not the

> >> actual

> >> > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual

zodiac

> >> can be

> >> > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in

D-24

> >> > sign and

> >> > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover

> >if divisions

> >> > are not

> >> > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under

this

> >> > category is

> >> > > given so much of importance.

> >> > >

> >> > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has

> >given many

> >> > gems on

> >> > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa,

> >Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

> >> etc.

> >> > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are

> >the similar as

> >> > that of

> >> > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> >> > >

> >> > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on

Navamsa

> >> usage.

> >> > >

> >> > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart

for

> >marriage

> >> > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> >> > >

> >> > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the

> >mails, since he

> >> > is very

> >> > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as

his

> >> silence.

> >> > > Thanks for understanding.

> >> > >

> >> > > Best Wishes

> >> > > Sarajit

> >> > >

> >> > > _____

> >> > >

> >> > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> >> > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> >> > > vedic astrology

> >> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

dasa /Shri

> >> > Sarajit Poddar

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> >> > >

> >> > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared

> >to me.I have

> >> > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> >> > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is

in

> >> > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

> >helping me

> >> > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> >> > >

> >> > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

> >suggestions for my

> >> > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and

> >vomiting) helped

> >> > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> >> > >

> >> > > But you have said, what i wanted to say -

> >Understanding.I have not

> >> > > understood.

> >> > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory

answer

> >> > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you

would be

> >> > > willing to give an explanation.

> >> > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> >> > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can

> >use it as a

> >> > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

> >astronomically it

> >> > > is impossible?

> >> > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

> >vargas it

> >> > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven

signs

> >> > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> >> > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by

many,

> >happens

> >> > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> >> > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct

as

> >they may

> >> > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

> >belonging to

> >> > > different lords.

> >> > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but

only

> >> lords!!).

> >> > >

> >> > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous

things are

> >> > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> >> > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of

> >your stature

> >> > > will be able to explain any given incident from that

> >chart.Can you

> >> > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> >> > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people

and

> >> > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> >> > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the

concerned

> >> > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> >> > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and

vice

> >versa.

> >> > >

> >> > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as

> >a gauge for

> >> > > knowledge and confirmation.

> >> > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

> >Elections.Does that

> >> > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

> >predictions

> >> > > at other times.

> >> > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time

periods.

> >> > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri

Santhanam

> >found it

> >> > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu

Rao

> >had a

> >> > > different opinion.

> >> > >

> >> > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

> >Vandya.Agreeing

> >> > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of

a Guru

> >> > > Ninda for me.

> >> > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be

kind

> >if you

> >> > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be

> >used as full

> >> > > charts.

> >> > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get

the

> >> > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> >> > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

considered as

> >> > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> >> > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the

> >tattwas to

> >> > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep

> >layer by layer.

> >> > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> >> > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> >> > >

> >> > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

> >right from

> >> > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks

> >> > > Pradeep

> >> > >

> >> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> >> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> >> > > > Dear Sarajit,

> >> > > > Very well said.

> >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> >> > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional

> >charts need to

> >> > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy

behind

> >> its and

> >> > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However,

> >only because

> >> > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some

> >aspects of a

> >> > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> >> > Moreover, it

> >> > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have

> >mentioned, it is

> >> > about

> >> > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that

> >someone who is

> >> > > new to

> >> > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and

> >basics, however

> >> when

> >> > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

> >> subject and

> >> > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of

> >using the

> >> > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so

Maharishi

> >> > Parashara,

> >> > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha

Daivagna and

> >> many

> >> > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

> >brevity of

> >> > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the

point

> >> > it, the

> >> > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in

eating...

> >> try it

> >> > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell

them to

> >study

> >> > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before

> >using them.

> >> > Isn't

> >> > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Best Wishes

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Sarajit

> >> > > > >

> >> > >

> >>

> >------------------------------

> >---------

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> >> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> >> > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> >> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa

Narayana dasa

> >> (Re:

> >> > > > > Accident schematic)

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > namaste,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> >gentleman who

> >> > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> >> permission to

> >> > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

various

> >> > divisional

> >> > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to

Mr.

> >> > pradeep if I

> >> > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > ---

> >> > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding

> >technical points.

> >> > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that

ease our

> >> > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

> >reason we use

> >> > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical

sophistication.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

should we

> >> use our

> >> > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at

the

> >> building

> >> > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

steps)

> >one can

> >> > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the

> >basics and goes

> >> > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to

> >dashamsha whenever

> >> > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> >> knowing how

> >> > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

division

> >of the

> >> > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I

got

> >> private

> >> > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

> >matters, but

> >> > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the

> >usage of it as a

> >> > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per

Shri

> >> > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas

> >- just the

> >> lords

> >> > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

> >trikonas etc in

> >> > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is

against

> >> > > > > rules?.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will

fall.

> >> > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

> >from basics.

> >> If we

> >> > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

> >erected on

> >> top.

> >> > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

> >techniques we

> >> > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> >open mind

> >> > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary

to

> >accept

> >> > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from

you

> >> and vice

> >> > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see

> >this in the

> >> > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not

accept

> >> > > > > anything blindly.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks

> >> > > > > Pradeep

> >> > > > > -----

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> >> wrote:

> >> > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi

and it

> >> > > trumps all

> >> > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

> >planets in it

> >> > > or the

> >> > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go

jumping to

> >> > > divisional

> >> > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

> >parashara said

> >> > > to use

> >> > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

pedantic

> >> > argument

> >> > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said

to use

> >> > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

> >influence

> >> is a

> >> > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

> >divisional 1-7

> >> > axis is

> >> > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> >> factors are

> >> > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is

it

> >is not

> >> > > going

> >> > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited

> >in rashi but

> >> > > exalted

> >> > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is

> >one of the

> >> > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

connection with

> >> > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception

and do

> >> not go

> >> > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

> >habit. I am

> >> > happy

> >> > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the

cases.

> >Also I

> >> > > have

> >> > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make

> >facial features

> >> > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

> >1000s of

> >> > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This

is a

> >> > conjecture,

> >> > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical

record

> >> of how

> >> > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same

time.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he

> >says Moon is

> >> > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> >> > parashar who

> >> > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of

budhh,

> >so that

> >> > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much

> >later date or

> >> > > it was

> >> > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never

mentions

> >> about

> >> > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the

> >name,( Hart

> >> Defaw

> >> > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh

is in

> >> > quadrant

> >> > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

immpossibility.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

deciphering

> >what was

> >> > > said

> >> > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many

areas of

> >> > > jyotish and

> >> > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use

methods

> >> that have

> >> > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be

> >really surprised

> >> > that

> >> > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

> >the past.

> >> > May be

> >> > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these

elaborate

> >charts

> >> > > made

> >> > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna

rashi,

> >Moon

> >> > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

client

> >> > > insisted). In

> >> > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is

> >not so in the

> >> > > > >> western part of India.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Anyway

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> ...

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> ><amoebabhu>

> >> > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> >> > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> >> personalized

> >> > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have

any

> >personal

> >> > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts

and

> >not give

> >> > > much

> >> > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not

be true

> >> that a

> >> > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology)

would end

> >> up with

> >> > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the

other a

> >> > pauper (

> >> > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> >> > > > >> > Regards,

> >> > > > >> > Kartik

> >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> >> <navagraha@g...>

> >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > >> > wrote:

> >> > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> >> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend

something that

> >> > has not

> >> > > > >> > been

> >> > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS.

> >He mentioned

> >> > about

> >> > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since

> >the day of

> >> > > parashar

> >> > > > >> > you

> >> > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are

> >talking as if you

> >> > just

> >> > > > >> > had a

> >> > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> >> divisional

> >> > > > >> > came in

> >> > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now

> >even a novice

> >> > > with one

> >> > > > >> > day

> >> > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can

> >write off pages

> >> > about

> >> > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

rashi

> >> > dasha he

> >> > > > >> > is

> >> > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

divisional

> >> > charts is a

> >> > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> >> > intention was

> >> > > > >> > not

> >> > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers',

as I do

> >> > not know

> >> > > > >> > his

> >> > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I

> >have seen a

> >> > few on

> >> > > > >> > the

> >> > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on

about

> >> > > divisionals

> >> > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no

tomorrow.

> >I put

> >> > > out my

> >> > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> >> judgements

> >> > > > >> > about

> >> > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you

> >want to use 5

> >> > > kinds of

> >> > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> >> > > prediction, all

> >> > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel

> >is a approach

> >> > that

> >> > > > >> > has

> >> > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those

methods. I

> >am not

> >> > > > >> > forcing

> >> > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an

opinion

> >> and an

> >> > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has

been

> >> > taught by

> >> > > > >> > great

> >> > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> >> Raman..etc.), why

> >> > > > >> > should

> >> > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> >> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have

time and

> >> > > > >> > inclination I

> >> > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing

> >so, I feel I

> >> > > have to

> >> > > > >> > put

> >> > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to

read. I

> >> > have not

> >> > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats

> >not my style.

> >> > > But if I

> >> > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology

> >I voice my

> >> > > opinion.

> >> > > > >> > Let

> >> > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want

> >to use. Your

> >> > > methods

> >> > > > >> > may

> >> > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if

> >someone puts out

> >> > there

> >> > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> >> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > Regards

> >> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > ...

> >> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> >> > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> >> > > > >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

would

> >> > surprise me

> >> > > > >> > if

> >> > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> >> principles,

> >> > > > >> > idioms,

> >> > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> >subjected to

> >> > > > >> > testing! On

> >> > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> >principles

> >> > > have

> >> > > > >> > not

> >> > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> >probable that

> >> > > > >> > these

> >> > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

> >matter no

> >> > > > >> > principles

> >> > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could

also be

> >> entirely

> >> > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

> >rectification. One

> >> > > > >> > should

> >> > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> >> principles are

> >> > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon!

If

> >> thats the

> >> > > > >> > matter,

> >> > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> >> > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer

programs

> >> which made

> >> > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer

days,by

> >> > the time

> >> > > > >> > one

> >> > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and

> >verified, the jatak

> >> > would

> >> > > > >> > have

> >> > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from

> >the past few

> >> > years

> >> > > > >> > and I

> >> > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

applicability or

> >even

> >> > > > >> > > > > applicability

> >> > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

> >will be one

> >> > > or two

> >> > > > >> > > > charts

> >> > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say

here

> >in the

> >> > > great

> >> > > > >> > cold

> >> > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals

> >were in vogue

> >> > since

> >> > > > >> > the

> >> > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> >> defined and

> >> > > > >> > gave

> >> > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

Shastiamsa!

> >> > Are you

> >> > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

> >about it so

> >> > > that we

> >> > > > >> > can

> >> > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had

nothing

> >> better to

> >> > > > >> > do???

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> >depths of

> >> > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

> >grandfather

> >> of Pt

> >> > > > >> > Sanjay

> >> > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions,

and

> >... you

> >> > > > >> > would be

> >> > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is

> >the 6 levels

> >> deep!

> >> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

> >time, and

> >> > hence,

> >> > > > >> > they

> >> > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

> >Most of the

> >> > > times,

> >> > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

restrict

> >> > > themselves to

> >> > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

> >and they do

> >> > > rely a

> >> > > > >> > lot

> >> > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to

Rasi &

> >> > Navamsa,

> >> > > > >> > we

> >> > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid

> >intuition! Oh yes ...

> >> > > by the

> >> > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to

Rasi &

> >> Navamsa,

> >> > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the

results,

> >if not

> >> > > > >> > lagna,

> >> > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> >> required to

> >> > > > >> > come up

> >> > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> >> > thoroughly. SJC

> >> > > > >> > is

> >> > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is

no

> >formal

> >> > > > >> > process

> >> > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously

in the

> >> coming

> >> > > > >> > years!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

> >spoon feed

> >> > ... he

> >> > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly,

to whet

> >> their

> >> > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity

breeds

> >> > > CHARACTER!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the

> >event which is

> >> > > > >> > already

> >> > > > >> > > > known.

> >> > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example

of

> >> father's

> >> > > > >> > death.

> >> > > > >> > > > For

> >> > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> >dwadashansha. Now

> >> > > > >> > why ? Why

> >> > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?

Then why

> >> not 2nd

> >> > > > >> > from

> >> > > > >> > > > 9th

> >> > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-

12 if

> >> one does

> >> > > > >> > not

> >> > > > >> > > > find

> >> > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

> >arudh of 9th

> >> > in D-

> >> > > > >> > 12. It

> >> > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can

cover

> >all 12

> >> > > > >> > rashis

> >> > > > >> > > > and I

> >> > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running

at the

> >> > time of

> >> > > > >> > the

> >> > > > >> > > > known

> >> > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was

spoonfed!!

> >He too

> >> > > must

> >> > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath,

> >KN Rao and

> >> > come up

> >> > > > >> > with

> >> > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am

not

> >> sure, if

> >> > > > >> > even

> >> > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of

> >predicting events,

> >> > without

> >> > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have

and

> >> > develop a

> >> > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast

> >75 percent

> >> > > > >> > cases.Then

> >> > > > >> > > > make

> >> > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go

based

> >on the

> >> > > chart

> >> > > > >> > you

> >> > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are

> >principles that have

> >> > been

> >> > > > >> > > > developed

> >> > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those

first.

> >> > Trust me

> >> > > > >> > they

> >> > > > >> > > > work

> >> > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> >> > > > >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on

> >the basis of

> >> > > > >> > probability,

> >> > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an

event

> >> > happening is

> >> > > > >> > high

> >> > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining

the

> >event,

> >> > > these

> >> > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

> >although they

> >> > > may be

> >> > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting

> >chara Bhratri

> >> Karak

> >> > > > >> > caused

> >> > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

> >incomplete and a

> >> > totally

> >> > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> >> > > > >> > > > Narayan

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> >> > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> >> > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > wrote:

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

shows

> >> > something

> >> > > > >> > else.

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

> >(March 1993,)

> >> > I was

> >> > > > >> > > > running

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was

in Dec

> >1996

> >> > > and I

> >> > > > >> > was

> >> > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

> >(East of

> >> > > GMT).

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

> >stated in

> >> > > your

> >> > > > >> > > > email

> >> > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be

applied, and

> >> > you did

> >> > > > >> > not

> >> > > > >> > > > state.

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "Narasimha

> >> P.V.R.

> >> > > > >> > Rao"

> >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > -

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

Accident

> >> > > schematic)

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence

Cars

> >come

> >> > > under

> >> > > > >> > > > this.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all

yogas

> >> > > > >> > (combinations) in

> >> > > > >> > > > D16

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars.

Here A4

> >> > should be

> >> > > > >> > > > taken in

> >> > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries

> >and anxieties

> >> > > > >> > > > respectively,

> >> > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to

cars and

> >> other

> >> > > > >> > sukha.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will

> >destroy the car.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the

Yoga's

> >> > mentioned

> >> > > > >> > above.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> >potential

> >> > > > >> > problem

> >> > > > >> > > > sign.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970,

> >5:47:13 pm (IST),

> >> > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> >> > > > >> > > > > > India

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th

> >December 1996 at

> >> > > 6:30 pm

> >> > > > >> > > > (EST),

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

was

> >> > "totalled".

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this

> >happened in Li-Ta

> >> > > > >> > antardasa.

> >> > > > >> > > > In my

> >> > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> >> 3rd/12th lord

> >> > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> >> > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4,

> >showing the loss

> >> > of a

> >> > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th

> >house, showing

> >> > > > >> > problems in

> >> > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule

of

> >> Narayana

> >> > > > >> > dasa

> >> > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa

sign

> >Li is a

> >> > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> >> > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> >> one-third. Its

> >> > > > >> > lord

> >> > > > >> > > > Venus

> >> > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

> >gives his

> >> > results

> >> > > > >> > in

> >> > > > >> > > > the

> >> > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives

the

> >> results of

> >> > > > >> > > > occupants

> >> > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates

> >and they are

> >> > > Venus,

> >> > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> >> > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes.

We

> >> > divide the

> >> > > > >> > last

> >> > > > >> > > > one-

> >> > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

> >give them to

> >> > these

> >> > > > >> > 4

> >> > > > >> > > > planets

> >> > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> >> > mahadasa sign

> >> > > > >> > is

> >> > > > >> > > > given

> >> > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th

> >lord, occupies

> >> > > badhaka

> >> > > > >> > > > sthana

> >> > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles

> >Libra. So the

> >> sub-

> >> > > > >> > period

> >> > > > >> > > > in

> >> > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems.

> >Not only did I

> >> > have

> >> > > > >> > an

> >> > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

> >bought in Jan

> >> > 1997

> >> > > > >> > > > suffered

> >> > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> >parked in a

> >> > > > >> > parking

> >> > > > >> > > > lot.

> >> > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit

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> >> After

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car and

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> >> > > > >> > another

> >> > > > >> > > > new

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> >the sub-period

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> >> > > > >> > the

> >> > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

happened

> >that the

> >> > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> >> > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

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Mercury-Ketu

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> >> > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of

> >1996-97, D-16

> >> > > had Leo

> >> > > > >> > > > rising,

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Saturn,

> >> Rahu and

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Ashtottari

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March 22, 2005

Sanjay ji

I think by mistake i used traya along with parivritti,having drekkana

in mind.Pls read parivritti.

Thanks

Prdaeep

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear shri Sanjay ji

>

> I feel there is only one zodiac.Even in Kalchakra dasha it is just

> one zodiac.It is the progression of kaala that makes us feel about

> different zodiacs.

>

> What do you think about the normal navamsha that we use.Is it a

> parivritti traya or not? This is just to get my basics clear.

>

> I feel navamsha of kalachakra and vimshottaris should also be

> same.Shri Narasimha has raised a vital point regarding amsha lords.

>

> Kindly look into this.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> > There are two kinds of amsha Pradeep. One is repetition of the

> zodiac based

> > on Parivritti principle while the other is not so. Some divisions

> follow the

> > parivritti while others don't. Parasara tell us which do and which

> don't but

> > the text is silent about why. That's textual knowledge.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

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> > * * *

> >

> > >

> > >vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > >Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:09 AM

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> > >/Shri Sarajit Poddar

> > >

> > >Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

> > >

> > >Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get

> same

> > >results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south

> indian

> > >or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece

> of

> > >paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

> > >

> > >Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

> > >principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

> > >

> > >Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

> > >arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

> > >trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

> > >

> > >Thanks

> > >Pradeep

> > >

> > >vedic astrology, "onlyhari"

> > ><onlyhari> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

> > >>

> > >> Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all?

> After

> > >> all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and

> according

> > >> to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

> > >>

> > >> best regards

> > >> Hari

> > >>

> > >> vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> > >> <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > >> > Dear Vijaydas,

> > >> >

> > >> > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not

> > >mentioned that

> > >> either.

> > >> > He has written about it in the same breath as the other

> divisions.

> > >> >

> > >> > Best regards,

> > >> >

> > >> > Sarbani

> > >> >

> > >> > _____

> > >> >

> > >> > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > >> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> > >> > vedic astrology

> > >> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

> dasa /Shri

> > >> Sarajit

> > >> > Poddar

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you

> have

> > >> > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have

> mentioned

> > >> > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma

> > >has mentioned

> > >> > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house

> or

> > >> > Rashi'' and its strength.

> > >> > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some

> > >significance based on

> > >> > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> > >> > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd

> house or

> > >> > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> > >> > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after

> > >lagna (younger

> > >> > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

> > >considered as

> > >> > houses

> > >> > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

> > >dashamsha.

> > >> > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one

> > >has to see

> > >> > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding

> varga.

> > >> > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly

> explained.

> > >> > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses

> and

> > >> > strength of lords,with care.

> > >> >

> > >> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to

> the

> > >> > divisions of Houses.

> > >> > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay

> > >even a step

> > >> > forward in the direction of astrology."

> > >> >

> > >> > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets

> > >as numerous

> > >> > planets can have a role for 10th house like

> > >owner,aspect,conjunction

> > >> > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> > >> > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too

> > >convey the

> > >> > same meaning.

> > >> >

> > >> > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we

> > >refer to the

> > >> > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are

> unimportant.

> > >> >

> > >> > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from

> drekkana,sage

> > >> > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned

> > >planets from the

> > >> > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> > >> >

> > >> > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very

> clear.

> > >> >

> > >> > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how

> exactly to

> > >> > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and

> > >he "might"

> > >> > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

> > >demonstrate

> > >> > how to apply them''.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the

> interpretation of

> > >> > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional

> > >''charts'' instead

> > >> > of Divisions.

> > >> >

> > >> > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is

> not

> > >> > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

> > >divisons of

> > >> > houses.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks

> > >> > Pradeep

> > >> >

> > >> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > >> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > >> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > >> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

> > >would help

> > >> > > others too understanding the topic.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Chapter 6:

> > >> > > Sloka 2-4:

> > >> > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16

> > >kinds of Vargas

> > >> > > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are

> Râúi,

> > >Horâ,

> > >> > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

> > >> Shodashâñú,

> > >> > > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú,

> Khavedâñú,

> > >> > Akshavedâñú

> > >> > > and Shashtiâñú.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Chapter 7:

> > >> > > Sloka 1-8:

> > >> > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

> > >> co-born from

> > >> > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

> > >> > Saptâñú, spouse

> > >> > > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

> > >> Dvadashâñú,

> > >> > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from

> Shodashâñú,

> > >> > worship from

> > >> > > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and

> > >weakness from

> > >> > > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

> > >> inauspicious

> > >> > > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both

> > >Akshavedâñú and

> > >> > > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through

> the

> > >> > respective

> > >> > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú,

> will

> > >> > diminish; so

> > >> > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

> > >> Shodashâñú,

> > >> > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in

> reading what

> > >> > Maharishi

> > >> > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly

> > >went to the

> > >> > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and

> > >the Special

> > >> > Lagnas.

> > >> > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on

> describing

> > >> > the other

> > >> > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different

> houses.

> > >> What

> > >> > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the

> subject in

> > >> > this order?

> > >> > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to

> > >apply the

> > >> > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional

> charts to

> > >> > all the

> > >> > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However,

> to

> > >make it

> > >> > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen

> > >from the each

> > >> > of the

> > >> > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

> > >> bhavas etc.

> > >> > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better

> > >results related

> > >> > to that

> > >> > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer,

> > >how exactly

> > >> > to apply

> > >> > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he

> > >"might" have

> > >> > expected

> > >> > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

> > >how to apply

> > >> > them.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > ***********************

> > >> > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > >> > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information

> on the

> > >> > divisional

> > >> > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of

> Rasi. To

> > >> > highlight

> > >> > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12

> > >, where he

> > >> says

> > >> > > that:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according

> to the

> > >> > divisions

> > >> > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one

> cannot

> > >> > lay even a

> > >> > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> > >> > explaining more

> > >> > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the

> > >day/ night

> > >> > signs,

> > >> > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

> > >explain the

> > >> > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

> > >also we can

> > >> > think

> > >> > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the

> > >rasi charts

> > >> > but also

> > >> > > to the divisional charts.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

> > >mapping of the

> > >> > Zodiac,

> > >> > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the

> Kalapurusha.

> > >> > This is

> > >> > > based on the principle that everything in this world

> follows the

> > >> > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is

> not the

> > >> actual

> > >> > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual

> zodiac

> > >> can be

> > >> > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in

> D-24

> > >> > sign and

> > >> > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover

> > >if divisions

> > >> > are not

> > >> > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under

> this

> > >> > category is

> > >> > > given so much of importance.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has

> > >given many

> > >> > gems on

> > >> > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa,

> > >Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

> > >> etc.

> > >> > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are

> > >the similar as

> > >> > that of

> > >> > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on

> Navamsa

> > >> usage.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart

> for

> > >marriage

> > >> > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the

> > >mails, since he

> > >> > is very

> > >> > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as

> his

> > >> silence.

> > >> > > Thanks for understanding.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Best Wishes

> > >> > > Sarajit

> > >> > >

> > >> > > _____

> > >> > >

> > >> > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > >> > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> > >> > > vedic astrology

> > >> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

> dasa /Shri

> > >> > Sarajit Poddar

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared

> > >to me.I have

> > >> > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > >> > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is

> in

> > >> > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

> > >helping me

> > >> > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> > >> > >

> > >> > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

> > >suggestions for my

> > >> > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and

> > >vomiting) helped

> > >> > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > But you have said, what i wanted to say -

> > >Understanding.I have not

> > >> > > understood.

> > >> > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory

> answer

> > >> > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you

> would be

> > >> > > willing to give an explanation.

> > >> > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > >> > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can

> > >use it as a

> > >> > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

> > >astronomically it

> > >> > > is impossible?

> > >> > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

> > >vargas it

> > >> > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven

> signs

> > >> > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > >> > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by

> many,

> > >happens

> > >> > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > >> > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct

> as

> > >they may

> > >> > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

> > >belonging to

> > >> > > different lords.

> > >> > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but

> only

> > >> lords!!).

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous

> things are

> > >> > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > >> > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of

> > >your stature

> > >> > > will be able to explain any given incident from that

> > >chart.Can you

> > >> > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > >> > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people

> and

> > >> > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > >> > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the

> concerned

> > >> > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > >> > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and

> vice

> > >versa.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as

> > >a gauge for

> > >> > > knowledge and confirmation.

> > >> > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

> > >Elections.Does that

> > >> > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

> > >predictions

> > >> > > at other times.

> > >> > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time

> periods.

> > >> > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri

> Santhanam

> > >found it

> > >> > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu

> Rao

> > >had a

> > >> > > different opinion.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

> > >Vandya.Agreeing

> > >> > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of

> a Guru

> > >> > > Ninda for me.

> > >> > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be

> kind

> > >if you

> > >> > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be

> > >used as full

> > >> > > charts.

> > >> > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get

> the

> > >> > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > >> > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

> considered as

> > >> > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > >> > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the

> > >tattwas to

> > >> > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep

> > >layer by layer.

> > >> > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > >> > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

> > >right from

> > >> > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks

> > >> > > Pradeep

> > >> > >

> > >> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > >> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > >> > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > >> > > > Very well said.

> > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > >> > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional

> > >charts need to

> > >> > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy

> behind

> > >> its and

> > >> > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However,

> > >only because

> > >> > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some

> > >aspects of a

> > >> > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> > >> > Moreover, it

> > >> > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have

> > >mentioned, it is

> > >> > about

> > >> > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that

> > >someone who is

> > >> > > new to

> > >> > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and

> > >basics, however

> > >> when

> > >> > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

> > >> subject and

> > >> > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of

> > >using the

> > >> > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so

> Maharishi

> > >> > Parashara,

> > >> > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha

> Daivagna and

> > >> many

> > >> > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

> > >brevity of

> > >> > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the

> point

> > >> > it, the

> > >> > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in

> eating...

> > >> try it

> > >> > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell

> them to

> > >study

> > >> > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before

> > >using them.

> > >> > Isn't

> > >> > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Best Wishes

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Sarajit

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >

> > >>

> > >------------------------------

> > >---------

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > >> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > >> > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > >> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa

> Narayana dasa

> > >> (Re:

> > >> > > > > Accident schematic)

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > namaste,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> > >gentleman who

> > >> > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > >> permission to

> > >> > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

> various

> > >> > divisional

> > >> > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to

> Mr.

> > >> > pradeep if I

> > >> > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > ---

> > >> > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding

> > >technical points.

> > >> > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that

> ease our

> > >> > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

> > >reason we use

> > >> > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical

> sophistication.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

> should we

> > >> use our

> > >> > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at

> the

> > >> building

> > >> > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

> steps)

> > >one can

> > >> > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the

> > >basics and goes

> > >> > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to

> > >dashamsha whenever

> > >> > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> > >> knowing how

> > >> > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

> division

> > >of the

> > >> > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I

> got

> > >> private

> > >> > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

> > >matters, but

> > >> > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the

> > >usage of it as a

> > >> > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per

> Shri

> > >> > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas

> > >- just the

> > >> lords

> > >> > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

> > >trikonas etc in

> > >> > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is

> against

> > >> > > > > rules?.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will

> fall.

> > >> > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

> > >from basics.

> > >> If we

> > >> > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

> > >erected on

> > >> top.

> > >> > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

> > >techniques we

> > >> > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> > >open mind

> > >> > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary

> to

> > >accept

> > >> > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from

> you

> > >> and vice

> > >> > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see

> > >this in the

> > >> > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not

> accept

> > >> > > > > anything blindly.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks

> > >> > > > > Pradeep

> > >> > > > > -----

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > >> wrote:

> > >> > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi

> and it

> > >> > > trumps all

> > >> > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

> > >planets in it

> > >> > > or the

> > >> > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go

> jumping to

> > >> > > divisional

> > >> > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

> > >parashara said

> > >> > > to use

> > >> > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

> pedantic

> > >> > argument

> > >> > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said

> to use

> > >> > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

> > >influence

> > >> is a

> > >> > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

> > >divisional 1-7

> > >> > axis is

> > >> > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> > >> factors are

> > >> > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is

> it

> > >is not

> > >> > > going

> > >> > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited

> > >in rashi but

> > >> > > exalted

> > >> > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is

> > >one of the

> > >> > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

> connection with

> > >> > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception

> and do

> > >> not go

> > >> > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

> > >habit. I am

> > >> > happy

> > >> > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the

> cases.

> > >Also I

> > >> > > have

> > >> > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make

> > >facial features

> > >> > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

> > >1000s of

> > >> > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This

> is a

> > >> > conjecture,

> > >> > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical

> record

> > >> of how

> > >> > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same

> time.

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he

> > >says Moon is

> > >> > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> > >> > parashar who

> > >> > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of

> budhh,

> > >so that

> > >> > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much

> > >later date or

> > >> > > it was

> > >> > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never

> mentions

> > >> about

> > >> > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the

> > >name,( Hart

> > >> Defaw

> > >> > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh

> is in

> > >> > quadrant

> > >> > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

> immpossibility.

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

> deciphering

> > >what was

> > >> > > said

> > >> > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many

> areas of

> > >> > > jyotish and

> > >> > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use

> methods

> > >> that have

> > >> > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be

> > >really surprised

> > >> > that

> > >> > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

> > >the past.

> > >> > May be

> > >> > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these

> elaborate

> > >charts

> > >> > > made

> > >> > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna

> rashi,

> > >Moon

> > >> > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

> client

> > >> > > insisted). In

> > >> > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is

> > >not so in the

> > >> > > > >> western part of India.

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> Anyway

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> ...

> > >> > > > >>

> > >> > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> > ><amoebabhu>

> > >> > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > >> > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> > >> personalized

> > >> > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have

> any

> > >personal

> > >> > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts

> and

> > >not give

> > >> > > much

> > >> > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not

> be true

> > >> that a

> > >> > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology)

> would end

> > >> up with

> > >> > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the

> other a

> > >> > pauper (

> > >> > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > >> > > > >> > Regards,

> > >> > > > >> > Kartik

> > >> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > >> <navagraha@g...>

> > >> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > >> > wrote:

> > >> > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend

> something that

> > >> > has not

> > >> > > > >> > been

> > >> > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS.

> > >He mentioned

> > >> > about

> > >> > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since

> > >the day of

> > >> > > parashar

> > >> > > > >> > you

> > >> > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are

> > >talking as if you

> > >> > just

> > >> > > > >> > had a

> > >> > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> > >> divisional

> > >> > > > >> > came in

> > >> > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now

> > >even a novice

> > >> > > with one

> > >> > > > >> > day

> > >> > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can

> > >write off pages

> > >> > about

> > >> > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

> rashi

> > >> > dasha he

> > >> > > > >> > is

> > >> > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

> divisional

> > >> > charts is a

> > >> > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > >> > intention was

> > >> > > > >> > not

> > >> > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers',

> as I do

> > >> > not know

> > >> > > > >> > his

> > >> > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I

> > >have seen a

> > >> > few on

> > >> > > > >> > the

> > >> > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on

> about

> > >> > > divisionals

> > >> > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no

> tomorrow.

> > >I put

> > >> > > out my

> > >> > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> > >> judgements

> > >> > > > >> > about

> > >> > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you

> > >want to use 5

> > >> > > kinds of

> > >> > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > >> > > prediction, all

> > >> > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel

> > >is a approach

> > >> > that

> > >> > > > >> > has

> > >> > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those

> methods. I

> > >am not

> > >> > > > >> > forcing

> > >> > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an

> opinion

> > >> and an

> > >> > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has

> been

> > >> > taught by

> > >> > > > >> > great

> > >> > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > >> Raman..etc.), why

> > >> > > > >> > should

> > >> > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have

> time and

> > >> > > > >> > inclination I

> > >> > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing

> > >so, I feel I

> > >> > > have to

> > >> > > > >> > put

> > >> > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to

> read. I

> > >> > have not

> > >> > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats

> > >not my style.

> > >> > > But if I

> > >> > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology

> > >I voice my

> > >> > > opinion.

> > >> > > > >> > Let

> > >> > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want

> > >to use. Your

> > >> > > methods

> > >> > > > >> > may

> > >> > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if

> > >someone puts out

> > >> > there

> > >> > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > ...

> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > >> > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > >> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

> would

> > >> > surprise me

> > >> > > > >> > if

> > >> > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> > >> principles,

> > >> > > > >> > idioms,

> > >> > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> > >subjected to

> > >> > > > >> > testing! On

> > >> > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> > >principles

> > >> > > have

> > >> > > > >> > not

> > >> > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> > >probable that

> > >> > > > >> > these

> > >> > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

> > >matter no

> > >> > > > >> > principles

> > >> > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could

> also be

> > >> entirely

> > >> > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

> > >rectification. One

> > >> > > > >> > should

> > >> > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > >> principles are

> > >> > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon!

> If

> > >> thats the

> > >> > > > >> > matter,

> > >> > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > >> > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer

> programs

> > >> which made

> > >> > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer

> days,by

> > >> > the time

> > >> > > > >> > one

> > >> > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and

> > >verified, the jatak

> > >> > would

> > >> > > > >> > have

> > >> > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from

> > >the past few

> > >> > years

> > >> > > > >> > and I

> > >> > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

> applicability or

> > >even

> > >> > > > >> > > > > applicability

> > >> > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

> > >will be one

> > >> > > or two

> > >> > > > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say

> here

> > >in the

> > >> > > great

> > >> > > > >> > cold

> > >> > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals

> > >were in vogue

> > >> > since

> > >> > > > >> > the

> > >> > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> > >> defined and

> > >> > > > >> > gave

> > >> > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

> Shastiamsa!

> > >> > Are you

> > >> > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

> > >about it so

> > >> > > that we

> > >> > > > >> > can

> > >> > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had

> nothing

> > >> better to

> > >> > > > >> > do???

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> > >depths of

> > >> > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

> > >grandfather

> > >> of Pt

> > >> > > > >> > Sanjay

> > >> > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions,

> and

> > >... you

> > >> > > > >> > would be

> > >> > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is

> > >the 6 levels

> > >> deep!

> > >> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

> > >time, and

> > >> > hence,

> > >> > > > >> > they

> > >> > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

> > >Most of the

> > >> > > times,

> > >> > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

> restrict

> > >> > > themselves to

> > >> > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

> > >and they do

> > >> > > rely a

> > >> > > > >> > lot

> > >> > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to

> Rasi &

> > >> > Navamsa,

> > >> > > > >> > we

> > >> > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid

> > >intuition! Oh yes ...

> > >> > > by the

> > >> > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to

> Rasi &

> > >> Navamsa,

> > >> > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the

> results,

> > >if not

> > >> > > > >> > lagna,

> > >> > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> > >> required to

> > >> > > > >> > come up

> > >> > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > >> > thoroughly. SJC

> > >> > > > >> > is

> > >> > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is

> no

> > >formal

> > >> > > > >> > process

> > >> > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously

> in the

> > >> coming

> > >> > > > >> > years!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

> > >spoon feed

> > >> > ... he

> > >> > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly,

> to whet

> > >> their

> > >> > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity

> breeds

> > >> > > CHARACTER!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the

> > >event which is

> > >> > > > >> > already

> > >> > > > >> > > > known.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example

> of

> > >> father's

> > >> > > > >> > death.

> > >> > > > >> > > > For

> > >> > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> > >dwadashansha. Now

> > >> > > > >> > why ? Why

> > >> > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?

> Then why

> > >> not 2nd

> > >> > > > >> > from

> > >> > > > >> > > > 9th

> > >> > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-

> 12 if

> > >> one does

> > >> > > > >> > not

> > >> > > > >> > > > find

> > >> > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

> > >arudh of 9th

> > >> > in D-

> > >> > > > >> > 12. It

> > >> > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can

> cover

> > >all 12

> > >> > > > >> > rashis

> > >> > > > >> > > > and I

> > >> > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running

> at the

> > >> > time of

> > >> > > > >> > the

> > >> > > > >> > > > known

> > >> > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was

> spoonfed!!

> > >He too

> > >> > > must

> > >> > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath,

> > >KN Rao and

> > >> > come up

> > >> > > > >> > with

> > >> > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am

> not

> > >> sure, if

> > >> > > > >> > even

> > >> > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of

> > >predicting events,

> > >> > without

> > >> > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have

> and

> > >> > develop a

> > >> > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast

> > >75 percent

> > >> > > > >> > cases.Then

> > >> > > > >> > > > make

> > >> > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go

> based

> > >on the

> > >> > > chart

> > >> > > > >> > you

> > >> > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are

> > >principles that have

> > >> > been

> > >> > > > >> > > > developed

> > >> > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those

> first.

> > >> > Trust me

> > >> > > > >> > they

> > >> > > > >> > > > work

> > >> > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on

> > >the basis of

> > >> > > > >> > probability,

> > >> > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an

> event

> > >> > happening is

> > >> > > > >> > high

> > >> > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining

> the

> > >event,

> > >> > > these

> > >> > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

> > >although they

> > >> > > may be

> > >> > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting

> > >chara Bhratri

> > >> Karak

> > >> > > > >> > caused

> > >> > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

> > >incomplete and a

> > >> > totally

> > >> > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > >> > > > >> > > > Narayan

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > >> > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

> shows

> > >> > something

> > >> > > > >> > else.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

> > >(March 1993,)

> > >> > I was

> > >> > > > >> > > > running

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was

> in Dec

> > >1996

> > >> > > and I

> > >> > > > >> > was

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

> > >(East of

> > >> > > GMT).

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

> > >stated in

> > >> > > your

> > >> > > > >> > > > email

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be

> applied, and

> > >> > you did

> > >> > > > >> > not

> > >> > > > >> > > > state.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "Narasimha

> > >> P.V.R.

> > >> > > > >> > Rao"

> > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > -

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> Accident

> > >> > > schematic)

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence

> Cars

> > >come

> > >> > > under

> > >> > > > >> > > > this.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all

> yogas

> > >> > > > >> > (combinations) in

> > >> > > > >> > > > D16

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars.

> Here A4

> > >> > should be

> > >> > > > >> > > > taken in

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries

> > >and anxieties

> > >> > > > >> > > > respectively,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to

> cars and

> > >> other

> > >> > > > >> > sukha.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will

> > >destroy the car.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the

> Yoga's

> > >> > mentioned

> > >> > > > >> > above.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> > >potential

> > >> > > > >> > problem

> > >> > > > >> > > > sign.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970,

> > >5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > >> > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > India

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th

> > >December 1996 at

> > >> > > 6:30 pm

> > >> > > > >> > > > (EST),

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

> was

> > >> > "totalled".

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this

> > >happened in Li-Ta

> > >> > > > >> > antardasa.

> > >> > > > >> > > > In my

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> > >> 3rd/12th lord

> > >> > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4,

> > >showing the loss

> > >> > of a

> > >> > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th

> > >house, showing

> > >> > > > >> > problems in

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule

> of

> > >> Narayana

> > >> > > > >> > dasa

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa

> sign

> > >Li is a

> > >> > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> > >> one-third. Its

> > >> > > > >> > lord

> > >> > > > >> > > > Venus

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

> > >gives his

> > >> > results

> > >> > > > >> > in

> > >> > > > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives

> the

> > >> results of

> > >> > > > >> > > > occupants

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates

> > >and they are

> > >> > > Venus,

> > >> > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes.

> We

> > >> > divide the

> > >> > > > >> > last

> > >> > > > >> > > > one-

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

> > >give them to

> > >> > these

> > >> > > > >> > 4

> > >> > > > >> > > > planets

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> > >> > mahadasa sign

> > >> > > > >> > is

> > >> > > > >> > > > given

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th

> > >lord, occupies

> > >> > > badhaka

> > >> > > > >> > > > sthana

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles

> > >Libra. So the

> > >> sub-

> > >> > > > >> > period

> > >> > > > >> > > > in

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems.

> > >Not only did I

> > >> > have

> > >> > > > >> > an

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

> > >bought in Jan

> > >> > 1997

> > >> > > > >> > > > suffered

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> > >parked in a

> > >> > > > >> > parking

> > >> > > > >> > > > lot.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit

> > >it twice.

> > >> After

> > >> > > > >> > these

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky"

> car and

> > >> bought

> > >> > > > >> > another

> > >> > > > >> > > > new

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to

> > >the sub-period

> > >> > > giving

> > >> > > > >> > the

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

> happened

> > >that the

> > >> > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was

> Mercury-Ketu

> > >> > > antardasa.

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of

> > >1996-97, D-16

> > >> > > had Leo

> > >> > > > >> > > > rising,

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

> Saturn,

> > >> Rahu and

> > >> > > > >> > Ketu.

> > >> > > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi

> Ashtottari

> > >> dasa was

> > >> > > > >> > running

> > >> > > > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never

> seizes to

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> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

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