D-Charts/Shri Sanjay Rath

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Dear Shri Sanjay ji

 

Scholars can have different views.I was taught to respect individuals

for their contributions(as no individual can be bad in all aspects)

and question views.Similarly when my bad points are being criticized

accept and correct those.

I am thankful that you have considered my queries as valid.Only others

more learned than me can judge my queries.

 

Now no one till today has told me, '' you have to be my student '' ,

for getting my doubts clarified. I am a student whenever i am

listening.Pls bear with my style as my words are reflecting my exact

feelings upon reading your mail.

If my query was not sincere enough,i apologize.I am having doubts and

will be grateful if your knowldege could be shared.

 

I am not a scholar and hence pray in simple language to my

Lord.Brihaspati gayatri,makes me feel good,every day.So is

Mahamrityunjaya.I am thankful for all the knowledge i have gained

through net.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:

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> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Vijaydas

> How are you? Can't scholars have differences? Should they fall at

the feet

> of each other and have to forcibly accept everything the other says

else the

> other is a fool? Alas, when will Jyotish come to the respectable

level of

> other subjects when scholars can debate on an issue and still differ.

> There are so many who say varga charts are bogus, there are others

who say

> that Jyotish itself is bogus. How long are we to continue to debate

on these

> topics and for how many lives?

> Usage of Vargas...you really think that this can be learnt over a few

> e-mails or a cr

ash course in jyotish. Don't you think that any crash course

> is only going to make us crash! Then how can this happen? One way is

to go

> to someone who is also knowledgable based on your understanding and

learn

> what he has to teach, and in the words of Kalyanaverma, imbibe what is

> necessary and leave the rest. Then go to another till you have

exhausted all

> channels...as we do this our own knowledge grows. There is no sudden

> enlightenment - knowledge only grows with time and patient learning.

>

> You take the name of Siva, the Guru of the gurus, my most beloved

Lord, my

> Gurudeva Sri Kashinatha in body -

>

> then you should know the meaning of this:

>

>

> ` nmae devdevez praTpr jgTgué,sdaizv mhadev guédI]a àdeihme.

>

> kaiz ]eÇ tiÚvasae jaûiv cr[aedŠ< guéivRñeñr sa]at! tark< äü iniít<.

>

> om namo devadeveça parätpara jagatguru| sadäçiva mahädeva gurudékñä

> pradehime||

>

> käçi kñetra tanniväso jähnavi caraëodakkaà| gururviçveçvara säkñät

tärakaà

> brahma niçcitaà||

>

> You have asked so many *very very valid* questions. I ask one - why

should I

> answer? You are not my student, nor have you approached me with the

object

> of a sincere query for the subject. I have so many other things to

do, and

> there are so many in this list with questions for help - Kiran's

brother and

> so many others. Should I use my knowledge to help them or to answer

you? And

> if you think that there is no answer to this, then you are very

wrong. Time

> to say namah shivaaya.

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center®

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

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>

> >

> >vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> >Monday, March 21, 2005 3:06 AM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Re: D-Charts

> >

> >

> >

> >Dear Shri Himanshu Mohan

> >

> >If Shri K.N.Raoji and Dr.B.V.Raman can be quoted for

> >supporting usage of vargas as charts,why do we not quote them

> >for ayanamshas and charakaraka schemes.Why you were not

> >posting such quotations all these six years?

> >

> >Do you think Dr.Ramans ayanamsha is wrong and his usage of

> >varga chakras are right as it suits our purpose.

> >

> >What is your opinion about K.N.Raojis chara karaka

> >schemes.Also why do you think shri K.N.Raoji transfers

> >karakamsha over to Rashi.

> >

> >Also astrologers extensively use vargas during prashna and it

> >is not that it is difficult to calculate and hence they are

> >not using them.

> >Only regarding their usage as chakras and application one has doubts.

> >

> >Also one will have fear only when one has dual intentions.When

> >in front of Lord Shiva one can swear his intentions,one need not fear.

> >

> >Thanks

> >Pradeep

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, "Himanshu Mohan"

> ><himanshu@m...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> ||Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevay||

> >> Guru Shri Sanjay Rath ji,

> >> Shraddha-Vandan.

> >> I am for the first time posting anything here in last Six enjoyable

> >> years. I quote below from Introduction of 'Learn Successful

> >Predictive

> >> Techniques of Hindu Astrology' (Vani Prakashan) by Shri K.N. Rao on

> >> Page 35-36:

> >> Line 5 - New para begins -

> >> "It has been the most shocking experience of my life and

> >now, of other

> >> astrologers, to see the total lack of use of the divisional

> >horoscopes

> >> in their writings, in spite of the great emphasis put on it by

> >> Maharshi Parashara. To neglect all that, not even learn their uses

> >> and, claim ti have done some research in astrology is the most

> >> preposterous stand...'

> >> Second Para -

> >> 'I had struggled very hard with the divisional horoscopes. In

> >> 1984 ....Using divisional horoscopes is a brilliant scheme

> >of Maharshi

> >> Parashara which cannot be neglected by any serious astrologer.'

> >> He further explains that 'It was Sheshadri Iyer who drew the

> >attention

> >> of many generations of astrologers to the use of divisional charts

> >> horoscopes'

> >> In fact he has discussed this issue many times in his various books

> >> and researches like "Predicting through the Vimshottari Dasha",

> >> "Astrological journey through History, Mystery and Horoscopes",

> >> Predicting through Jamini's Chara Dasha" etc.

> >> The reason I chose to quote from the above reference is that it is

> >> from a beginners book, in easy and chaste english which even layman

> >> can understand. I myself have studied most works of Shri

> >K.N. Rao only

> >> recently.

> >> I would like to quote Maharshi Parashara's following shloka (2/13)

> >> (again from the second chapter only and 37th shloka from beginning -

> >> Yo Narah Shaastramajnatva Jyotisham khalu Nindati | Rauravam Narakam

> >> Bhuktva Chandhatvam Chanyajanmani ||

> >>

> >> In essence meaning that - "One who criticises Jyotish

> >(applicable to

> >> other knowledge also -classic scriptures also) without knowing it,

> >> goes to hell and becomes blind, maybe in next birth/s."

> >>

> >> Goswami Tulsidas has written in Shri Ram Charit Manas - Phoolahin

> >> Phalahin Na Beint, Jadapi Sudha Barasahin Jalad | Moorakh Hriday Na

> >> Chet, Jo Guru Milahin Biranchi Sam || that is to say - The

> >bamboos do

> >> not bloom or fructify, even if the clouds shower nectar -

> >Amrita just

> >> as well Moorkhas do not realise or understand even if their

> >Teacher /

> >> Guru is Lord Brahma Himself.

> >>

> >> More and more examples can be given from various references but it

> >> remains a fact of life that divisional charts were not

> >popular due to

> >> astrologers not having the knowledge in the first place and

> >> calculations being painstaking in the second. This self demeaing

> >> behaviour of the astrolger community could have been one of

> >the causes

> >> for astrologers having been classified as backward classes by the

> >> Govt. of India.

> >>

> >> Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.

> >>

> >> With regards,

> >> Himanshu Mohan

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >> >

> >> > Dear Jyotisa who criticise the word 'D-Charts' or

> >Divisional charts.

> >> >

> >> > Well I know at least two other astrologers other than myself who

> >> use the

> >> > divisional charts in deciding the results for the various people of

> >> a family

> >> > or other events.

> >> >

> >> > 1. Dr B V Raman has used the navämsa extensively as the räsi chart

> >> although

> >> > Sages never seem to have mentioned it as per your understanding of

> >> the

> >> > slokas.In 'How to Judge a Horoscope' (a strongly recommended book

> >> by me), he

> >> > has given some really fine examples and has shown how to read

> >> the 'houses

> >> > from the navämsa chart'

> >> >

> >> > 2. K.N.Rao has gone even a step further in showing the use of D

> >> Charts for

> >> > timing the death of family members (excellent example of the Nehru

> >> family)

> >> > and children using the Saptamsa and Dwadasamsa charts. Have you

> >> read his

> >> > books? He seems to use D charts all the time.

> >> >

> >> > 3. I have gone a step further in giving all the D Charts and their

> >> usage in

> >> > Crux of Vedic astrology and my other books like Varga Chakra.

> >> >

> >> > In all the cases of the three astrologers (including myself) having

> >> ample

> >> > exposure to the classical Pundits and various sources, we have

> >> learnt to use

> >> > the D Charts as was originally envisaged (and hope that the larning

> >> from our

> >> > elders was not diluted or lost in time) and have shown how to do so

> >> based on

> >> > our interpretation and understanding.

> >> >

> >> > I cannot reproduce the entire COVA here but if you want I can

> >> request that a

> >> > copy be sent to you as there are some very kind hearted people in

> >> this list.

> >> > If after reading all that you still fell that Dr Raman, KNR and I

> >> are wrong

> >> > in using D charts or feel that there is a different way to use them

> >> other

> >> > than the ways shown in the books, please be so kind as to share

> >> that with

> >> > us.

> >> >

> >> > Without the D Charts you have no hope in making even one prediction

> >> in

> >> > Jyotish. For your kind benefit, I am giving two charts of two women

> >> born a

> >> > minute apart. Would you like t handle this 'twin chart' and show

> >> which one

> >> > has got married? I have many charts of twin births. Most

> >> interesting cases

> >> > really and very challenging.

> >> >

> >> > Finally, do you Jyotiña draw a navamsa at all or are you trying to

> >> tell the

> >> > list that Navamsa chart should not be drawn!!!

> >> >

> >> > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS

> >> >

> >> > Plese note that the word 'Divisional chart' and D-Chart' were

> >> coined by

> >> > K.N.Rao and this has been accepted as standard nomenclature by all

> >> > astrolgoers of SJC. K.N.Rao has done some great service to the

> >> world of

> >> > astrology by this standardisation and drawing of

> >Divisional charts.

> >> So if

> >> > anyone tells you that K N Rao does not use D-Charts then it is

> >> saying te

> >> > most absurd things about KNR. In case you have any doubts about

> >> this, please

> >> > write to Sri K.N.Rao yourself and get an answer from him.I can say

> >> that we

> >> > may not see eye to eye in the way we use the D-Charts but to say

> >> that

> >> > D-Charts should not be drawn at all is blasphemy!

> >> >

> >> > Dr Raman did not use the words D-Charts initially but later he as

> >> the editor

> >> > of the Astrological Magazine has encouraged its use and this was

> >> accepted by

> >> > the entire world of Jyotish.So if a few are now saying that D-Chats

> >> don't

> >> > exist and that Navamsa cannot be drawn, please do not take this as

> >> the last

> >> > word as they are no authority at all.

> >> >

> >> > May I request someone to forward this to K.N.Rao and get his

> >> opinion.

> >> >

> >> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> >> > Sanjay Rath

> >> > * * *

> >> > Sri Jagannath Center®

> >> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> >> > New Delhi 110060, India

> >> > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> >> > * * *

> >

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