D-Charts /Shri Sarajit

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Dear Sarajit ji

 

Shri Narasimha is a Sanskrit scholar. He has read numerous classics.

He opines while defining amshas, sage has only mentioned about lords

of various amshas falling within any Rashi. Amshas refers to various

tattwas lorded by planets, getting repeated within each sign is my

understanding. BPHS too says various divisions of a Rashi. Kalyan

varma too says one has to look at the strength of concerned bhava

lords in varga.

 

Shasthras are written in a logical order. After bhavas sage has

mentioned about vargas. It means one should not predict just based on

bhavas alone. The overall varga bal and the strength in

respective/relevant varga too have to be ascertained.

 

Sage says, those bhavas whose lords are in benefic shashtyamshas will

flourish. Which is the bhava? In Rashi or shashtyamsha 'chart'?

 

Thus after seeing the bhava and lords in Rashi, we have to see the

shashtyamsha varga of such lords. A planet's strength in Drekkana may

override its weakness in other vargas, when siblings are concerned.

Also a planets strength in shastyamsha can be very important as it is

reckoned for all matters. Sage asked us to count 22 drekkanas, 64

navamshas etc -If we have a drekkana chart or navamsha chart why do

we need to count individual drekkanas ? Sage could had easily said

lord of a particular bhava in Drekkana or navamsha charts!!.These

all are clear indications that they are individual amshas.

 

Scholar B.V Subbu Rao expressed his opinion clearly and said bhavas

are not to be reckoned in vargas. Late shri Santhanam said he cannot

imagine aspects in vargas - what does that mean?. Now there is an

opinion that - okay Graha drishti is not possible in vargas but

Rashi drishti is possible? How is this possible? - if parent signs

are not aspecting each other?

 

Also 20 years back Dr.Gayatri Devi Vasudev wrote the following in

Astrological magazine'' " the point is not to decry Parasari system

has having limitations but to stress that reckoning aspects in

navamsha too,and subjecting navamsha to an analysis similar to rashi

seem to make matters clearer".Why should Smt.Devi make such a

clarification? - Thus it is clear that many like minded people might

have expressed their concerns against treatment of navamsha similar

to rashi, in the past.

 

I do not know how exactly the sage wanted to ascertain the matters.

But it is neither, logical/ astronomical nor sanctioned by sages to

consider them as charts . Thus it does not mean if we do not know

then we can assume them as charts. We have seen many scholars

transferring navamsha lagna over to rashi.

 

>From your mails it is clear that it is our assumption that sage

expected us to consider vargas as charts. I respect your effort but

my doubts remain due to obvious reasons as mentioned above. I am no

authority and it is at your discretion to accept or reject my views.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...> wrote:

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Vijayadas,

>

> If Drekkana has to show more about siblings, how can this be shown

without referring Drekkana as a chart? As I said before, due to

brevity of words, not everything could be explicitly mentioned in

the classics and more than that it was expected that the it would be

taught by a qualified guru, who has been transferred the knowledge

through his parampara.

>

> Now see this statement of BPHS:

> One third of a RÄÅ›i is called Drekkana. These are totally 36,

counted from Mesh, repeating thrice at the rate of 12 per round. The

1st, 5th and the 9th RÄÅ›is from a RÄÅ›i are its three Drekkana

and are, respectively, lorded by Narada, Agasthya and Durvash.

>

> Here maharishi says that the 1st, 5th and 9th rasis from a rasi

are its drekkana. This means that if a planet is there in the 2nd

drekkana of Aries, then it would be placed in a sign which is 5th

from Aries, i.e., Leo. Similarly you can find that all the planets

in different drekkana can be similarly mapped to different drekkana

signs. What is the trouble if they are shown in the form of a chart.

Moreover, what can you find about siblings, if not consider drekkana

as a chart. Take the drekkana of the 3rd lord? Then what? What

strength would you find… it is known that the trines from a sign

are always friendly, means that the 3rd lord is always well placed

in the drekkana and everyone’s siblings should be strong and well

to do? Please think if this cannot be used as a full chart, how else

it can be used for finding more details about the siblings!

>

> However, if you follow my earlier contention, Maharishi wanted the

divisions to be used as charts, that’s why he has given the rules

of bhavas etc after describing the divisions; you can know almost

everything about the siblings from the Drekkana.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

> _____

>

> vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> Monday, March 21, 2005 4:31 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: D-Charts

>

>

> Dear Shri Sanjay Rath ji

>

> Thanks a lot for taking time in explaining.

> I have seen Dr.Raman using navamsha as a full chart as i have the

> books which you have mentioned.Also i know that shri K.N.Rao ji too

> uses Divisionals as charts.

> I have also expressed my opinion and Shri Raoji has read them too.I

> also have your Crux of Vedic Astrology.

> Giving due respect to all learned astrologers i beleive a student

can

> still express his concerns and doubts on a particular aspect.This

does

> not mean the student is above them in understanding.It is just a

> particular aspect.

> For me it is difficult to consider them as charts,unless you are

kind

> enough to explain how it is possible

> when classics refer them as amshas or divisions of houses and not

> charts.Also the local texts translated by scholars of yesteryears

> never consider them as charts.

> They consider them as vargas of Lagna and Planets.

>

> Could you kindly explain if it was because of Dr.Ramans and Shri

> Raojis usage that you decided to consider them as Charts or based

on

> some classical reference.

>

> Divisionals are important and hence can differentiate

strength,even if

> we do not use them as charts.

>

> Also lagna in navamsha ,drekkana etc - Do they represent self or

> spouse,siblings etc.This is another doubt.

>

>

> These are not any attempts to criticize just for the sake of

> criticizing.It is a sincere pursuit.

> Also i have full respect for your contributions and the knowledge i

> have gained through your works.

> But that does not prevent me from asking doubts unless i get a

> satisfactory answer.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<guruji@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Jyotisa who criticise the word 'D-Charts' or Divisional

charts.

> >

> > Well I know at least two other astrologers other than myself who

use the

> > divisional charts in deciding the results for the various people

of

> a family

> > or other events.

> >

> > 1. Dr B V Raman has used the navämsa extensively as the räsi

chart

> although

> > Sages never seem to have mentioned it as per your understanding

of the

> > slokas.In 'How to Judge a Horoscope' (a strongly recommended

book by

> me), he

> > has given some really fine examples and has shown how to read the

> 'houses

> > from the navämsa chart'

> >

> > 2. K.N.Rao has gone even a step further in showing the use of D

> Charts for

> > timing the death of family members (excellent example of the

Nehru

> family)

> > and children using the Saptamsa and Dwadasamsa charts. Have you

read his

> > books? He seems to use D charts all the time.

> >

> > 3. I have gone a step further in giving all the D Charts and

their

> usage in

> > Crux of Vedic astrology and my other books like Varga Chakra.

> >

> > In all the cases of the three astrologers (including myself)

having

> ample

> > exposure to the classical Pundits and various sources, we have

> learnt to use

> > the D Charts as was originally envisaged (and hope that the

larning

> from our

> > elders was not diluted or lost in time) and have shown how to do

so

> based on

> > our interpretation and understanding.

> >

> > I cannot reproduce the entire COVA here but if you want I can

> request that a

> > copy be sent to you as there are some very kind hearted people in

> this list.

> > If after reading all that you still fell that Dr Raman, KNR and I

> are wrong

> > in using D charts or feel that there is a different way to use

them

> other

> > than the ways shown in the books, please be so kind as to share

that

> with

> > us.

> >

> > Without the D Charts you have no hope in making even one

prediction in

> > Jyotish. For your kind benefit, I am giving two charts of two

women

> born a

> > minute apart. Would you like t handle this 'twin chart' and show

> which one

> > has got married? I have many charts of twin births. Most

interesting

> cases

> > really and very challenging.

> >

> > Finally, do you Jyotiña draw a navamsa at all or are you trying

to

> tell the

> > list that Navamsa chart should not be drawn!!!

> >

> > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS

> >

> > Plese note that the word 'Divisional chart' and D-Chart' were

coined by

> > K.N.Rao and this has been accepted as standard nomenclature by

all

> > astrolgoers of SJC. K.N.Rao has done some great service to the

world of

> > astrology by this standardisation and drawing of Divisional

charts.

> So if

> > anyone tells you that K N Rao does not use D-Charts then it is

saying te

> > most absurd things about KNR. In case you have any doubts about

> this, please

> > write to Sri K.N.Rao yourself and get an answer from him.I can

say

> that we

> > may not see eye to eye in the way we use the D-Charts but to say

that

> > D-Charts should not be drawn at all is blasphemy!

> >

> > Dr Raman did not use the words D-Charts initially but later he as

> the editor

> > of the Astrological Magazine has encouraged its use and this was

> accepted by

> > the entire world of Jyotish.So if a few are now saying that D-

Chats

> don't

> > exist and that Navamsa cannot be drawn, please do not take this

as

> the last

> > word as they are no authority at all.

> >

> > May I request someone to forward this to K.N.Rao and get his

opinion.

> >

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

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Namaste Vijaydas,

 

Read all your posts and I am impressed by the arguments/reasons you

have put forth for the use of divisions as amshas to judge the

strengths of grahas. To me what you have logically stated should not

be considered as a question.To me, it is in itself a very compelling

statement and a logical conclusion.

 

I fully agree with you that it is THE most important question one has

to answer regardless of how irritating it may seem. I am in full

agreement with you that divisions are amshas and NOT independent

charts.

 

I guess it may be wise to just move on.

 

....

 

 

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:23:32 -0000, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit ji

 

Thanks for your words.I feel it is just a beginning and we have to

go far to understand basics.I am learning.

 

I am addressing some points to shri Hari.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Vijaydas,

>

> Read all your posts and I am impressed by the arguments/reasons you

> have put forth for the use of divisions as amshas to judge the

> strengths of grahas. To me what you have logically stated should

not

> be considered as a question.To me, it is in itself a very

compelling

> statement and a logical conclusion.

>

> I fully agree with you that it is THE most important question one

has

> to answer regardless of how irritating it may seem. I am in full

> agreement with you that divisions are amshas and NOT independent

> charts.

>

> I guess it may be wise to just move on.

>

> ...

>

>

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:23:32 -0000, vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: