Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sanjay Ji, i am based in Mumbai and you know me very well.i wanted to put some shine on my face, so added 'Surya'. i was named well by my parents, only i was not using Surya before. regards suryaviswanadham vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Süryaviswanadham > You are well named. Like the sun you have dispelled the darkness and given the perfect argument for use of bhavas in the navamsa. Where are you based? Can we have your chart? My persoanl e-mail is srath@s... > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >SuryaViswanadham [vishwanatham@g...] > >Monday, March 21, 2005 3:41 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] D-Charts > > > > > > > >Hare Rama Krishna > > > >Dear Sarajit, Namaskar > > > >This question about use of 'bhavas' in the vargas (varga > >chakras - some do not seem to agree with the use of chakra) > >keeps coming. > > > >To be more precise, can we analyse a chart like dasamsa (D-10) > >in the same way we analyse Rasi (D-1) ? Does it have > >Parasara's sanction? > > > >People seriously interested in knowing the truth, raised this > >issue on this list even before. > > > >What i like to know from you is the following: > > > >In the chapter on Karakamsha (in BPHS), after defining > >karakamsha, Parasara gives the effects of planets in the > >karakamsha, 2nd from the karakamsha, 3rd, 4th,5th etc.,from > >the karakamsha. > > > >Can we take this as a conclusive proof that the use of houses > >in the divisionals has the sanction of Parasara (spelled out > >in so many words)? > > > >i ask this because clarification on this can comfort many > >beginners that they are travelling on the highway. > > > >Thanks & regards > >suryaviswanadham > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > ><sarajit@s...> wrote: > >> || Jaya Jagannath || > >> Dear Vijayadas, > >> > >> If Drekkana has to show more about siblings, how can this be shown > >without referring Drekkana as a chart? As I said before, due > >to brevity of words, not everything could be explicitly > >mentioned in the classics and more than that it was expected > >that the it would be taught by a qualified guru, who has been > >transferred the knowledge through his parampara. > >> > >> Now see this statement of BPHS: > >> One third of a RÄÂÅ›i is called Drekkana. These are totally 36, > >counted from Mesh, repeating thrice at the rate of 12 per > >round. The 1st, 5th and the 9th RÄÂÅ›is from a RÄÂÅ›i are its > >three Drekkana and are, respectively, lorded by Narada, > >Agasthya and Durvash. > >> > >> Here maharishi says that the 1st, 5th and 9th rasis from a rasi are > >its drekkana. This means that if a planet is there in the 2nd > >drekkana of Aries, then it would be placed in a sign which is > >5th from Aries, i.e., Leo. Similarly you can find that all the > >planets in different drekkana can be similarly mapped to > >different drekkana signs. What is the trouble if they are > >shown in the form of a chart. > >Moreover, what can you find about siblings, if not consider > >drekkana as a chart. Take the drekkana of the 3rd lord? Then > >what? What strength would you find… it is known that the > >trines from a sign are always friendly, means that the 3rd > >lord is always well placed in the drekkana and everyone’s > >siblings should be strong and well to do? Please think if this > >cannot be used as a full chart, how else it can be used for > >finding more details about the siblings! > >> > >> However, if you follow my earlier contention, Maharishi wanted the > >divisions to be used as charts, that’s why he has given the > >rules of bhavas etc after describing the divisions; you can > >know almost everything about the siblings from the Drekkana. > >> > >> Best Wishes > >> Sarajit > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > >--------------------~--> What would our lives be like without > >music, dance, and theater? > >Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > >http://us.click./WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > >------------------------------ > >-----~-> > > > > > > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Dear Partha, All my books written by several well known Bengali astrologers use the term Karaka Lagna for the sign in rashi where the AK is placed. And Karakamsha for the sign in navamsha where the AK is. Then they read the charts from Lagna, Moon and Karaka Lagna. We have also learned the same from Sanjayji. So perhaps the tradition is retained in Eastern India. Best regards, Sarbani V.Partha sarathy [partvinu ] Monday, March 21, 2005 4:26 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: D-Charts Dear Viswandam SirYou cannot prove the point by using Karakamsa to such folks, as they say that karakamsa is where AK is sitting in Rasi chart.You can probably use the quotes on aspects in navamsa chart in Jaimini Sutras. best wishesparthavedic astrology, "SuryaViswanadham" <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Sarajit, Namaskar> > This question about use of 'bhavas' in the vargas (varga chakras - > some do not seem to agree with the use of chakra) keeps coming.> > To be more precise, can we analyse a chart like dasamsa (D-10) in the > same way we analyse Rasi (D-1) ? Does it have Parasara's sanction?> > People seriously interested in knowing the truth, raised this issue > on this list even before.> > What i like to know from you is the following:> > In the chapter on Karakamsha (in BPHS), after defining karakamsha, > Parasara gives the effects of planets in the karakamsha, 2nd from the > karakamsha, 3rd, 4th,5th etc.,from the karakamsha. > > Can we take this as a conclusive proof that the use of houses in the > divisionals has the sanction of Parasara (spelled out in so many > words)? > > i ask this because clarification on this can comfort many beginners > that they are travelling on the highway.> > Thanks & regards> suryaviswanadham> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <sarajit@s...> wrote:> > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > Dear Vijayadas,> > > > If Drekkana has to show more about siblings, how can this be shown > without referring Drekkana as a chart? As I said before, due to > brevity of words, not everything could be explicitly mentioned in the > classics and more than that it was expected that the it would be > taught by a qualified guru, who has been transferred the knowledge > through his parampara.> > > > Now see this statement of BPHS:> > One third of a RÄÂÅ›i is called Drekkana. These are totally 36, > counted from Mesh, repeating thrice at the rate of 12 per round. The > 1st, 5th and the 9th RÄÂÅ›is from a RÄÂÅ›i are its three Drekkana and > are, respectively, lorded by Narada, Agasthya and Durvash.> > > > Here maharishi says that the 1st, 5th and 9th rasis from a rasi are > its drekkana. This means that if a planet is there in the 2nd > drekkana of Aries, then it would be placed in a sign which is 5th > from Aries, i.e., Leo. Similarly you can find that all the planets in > different drekkana can be similarly mapped to different drekkana > signs. What is the trouble if they are shown in the form of a chart. > Moreover, what can you find about siblings, if not consider drekkana > as a chart. Take the drekkana of the 3rd lord? Then what? What > strength would you find… it is known that the trines from a sign > are always friendly, means that the 3rd lord is always well placed in > the drekkana and everyone’s siblings should be strong and well to > do? Please think if this cannot be used as a full chart, how else it > can be used for finding more details about the siblings!> > > > However, if you follow my earlier contention, Maharishi wanted the > divisions to be used as charts, that’s why he has given the rules > of bhavas etc after describing the divisions; you can know almost > everything about the siblings from the Drekkana.> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Dear Vijaydas, I hope it is not out of place for me to say this. Sanjayji's grandfather, who was the jyotish ratna of Orissa, wrote a book on the Divisional Charts. His books are now out of print and difficult to locate. Sanjayji had a copy till two years back. I am not saying this is the only source, but definitely A source and added information for this thread. Best regards, Sarbani vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep ] Monday, March 21, 2005 2:01 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: D-Charts Dear Shri Sanjay Rath jiThanks a lot for taking time in explaining.I have seen Dr.Raman using navamsha as a full chart as i have thebooks which you have mentioned.Also i know that shri K.N.Rao ji toouses Divisionals as charts.I have also expressed my opinion and Shri Raoji has read them too.Ialso have your Crux of Vedic Astrology.Giving due respect to all learned astrologers i beleive a student canstill express his concerns and doubts on a particular aspect.This doesnot mean the student is above them in understanding.It is just aparticular aspect.For me it is difficult to consider them as charts,unless you are kindenough to explain how it is possible when classics refer them as amshas or divisions of houses and notcharts.Also the local texts translated by scholars of yesteryearsnever consider them as charts.They consider them as vargas of Lagna and Planets.Could you kindly explain if it was because of Dr.Ramans and ShriRaojis usage that you decided to consider them as Charts or based onsome classical reference.Divisionals are important and hence can differentiate strength,even ifwe do not use them as charts.Also lagna in navamsha ,drekkana etc - Do they represent self orspouse,siblings etc.This is another doubt.These are not any attempts to criticize just for the sake ofcriticizing.It is a sincere pursuit.Also i have full respect for your contributions and the knowledge ihave gained through your works.But that does not prevent me from asking doubts unless i get asatisfactory answer.ThanksPradeep--- In vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Jyotisa who criticise the word 'D-Charts' or Divisional charts.> > Well I know at least two other astrologers other than myself who use the> divisional charts in deciding the results for the various people ofa family> or other events.> > 1. Dr B V Raman has used the navämsa extensively as the räsi chartalthough> Sages never seem to have mentioned it as per your understanding of the> slokas.In 'How to Judge a Horoscope' (a strongly recommended book byme), he> has given some really fine examples and has shown how to read the'houses> from the navämsa chart'> > 2. K.N.Rao has gone even a step further in showing the use of DCharts for> timing the death of family members (excellent example of the Nehrufamily)> and children using the Saptamsa and Dwadasamsa charts. Have you read his> books? He seems to use D charts all the time.> > 3. I have gone a step further in giving all the D Charts and theirusage in> Crux of Vedic astrology and my other books like Varga Chakra.> > In all the cases of the three astrologers (including myself) havingample> exposure to the classical Pundits and various sources, we havelearnt to use> the D Charts as was originally envisaged (and hope that the larningfrom our> elders was not diluted or lost in time) and have shown how to do sobased on> our interpretation and understanding.> > I cannot reproduce the entire COVA here but if you want I canrequest that a> copy be sent to you as there are some very kind hearted people inthis list.> If after reading all that you still fell that Dr Raman, KNR and Iare wrong> in using D charts or feel that there is a different way to use themother> than the ways shown in the books, please be so kind as to share thatwith> us.> > Without the D Charts you have no hope in making even one prediction in> Jyotish. For your kind benefit, I am giving two charts of two womenborn a> minute apart. Would you like t handle this 'twin chart' and showwhich one> has got married? I have many charts of twin births. Most interestingcases> really and very challenging.> > Finally, do you Jyotiña draw a navamsa at all or are you trying totell the> list that Navamsa chart should not be drawn!!!> > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS> > Plese note that the word 'Divisional chart' and D-Chart' were coined by> K.N.Rao and this has been accepted as standard nomenclature by all> astrolgoers of SJC. K.N.Rao has done some great service to the world of> astrology by this standardisation and drawing of Divisional charts.So if> anyone tells you that K N Rao does not use D-Charts then it is saying te> most absurd things about KNR. In case you have any doubts aboutthis, please> write to Sri K.N.Rao yourself and get an answer from him.I can saythat we> may not see eye to eye in the way we use the D-Charts but to say that> D-Charts should not be drawn at all is blasphemy!> > Dr Raman did not use the words D-Charts initially but later he asthe editor> of the Astrological Magazine has encouraged its use and this wasaccepted by> the entire world of Jyotish.So if a few are now saying that D-Chatsdon't> exist and that Navamsa cannot be drawn, please do not take this asthe last> word as they are no authority at all.> > May I request someone to forward this to K.N.Rao and get his opinion. > > With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath Center®> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> * * *Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Dear Sarbani Yes, but the point is that can we prove to the non-parampara or non-traditionals that karaka lagna and karakamsa lagna are two different things. In my case, see I accept new things very easily,. It did not take me ages to accept 8 charakarkas, arudhas, divisional charts. I accepted them because i beleived that gurus cannot be wrong. I tested the principles on charts without any bias, and came to the conclusion that my faith in gurus was not misplaced. For example using the arthatrikona principle in dasamsa i could guage the career better than simply looking at Rasi. I could clearly understand the issues of parents from d-12. I clearly understand why i got astrological knowledge from great grandfather maternal, rather than from paternal side through the d-40 chart. I understand children issues very clearly from saptamsa. One rule in saptamsa is that venus, mercury and saturn in trines to navamsa lagna can cause childlessness. Today i got a typical case, and the guy is not having kids despite so many remedial measures. He has pisces saptamsa lagna with mercury+venus+saturn in lagna . What can i say more. Siddhamsa has been quite useful, though i have not used it much, for the simple reason that i dont get cases of students much. Career, marriage cases are very common ,. thus navamsa and dasamsa charts have been very useful would be an understatement,. best wishes partha On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:19:23 +0530, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: >  > Dear Partha, > > All my books written by several well known Bengali astrologers use the term > Karaka Lagna for the sign in rashi where the AK is placed. And Karakamsha > for the sign in navamsha where the AK is. Then they read the charts from > Lagna, Moon and Karaka Lagna. We have also learned the same from Sanjayji. > So perhaps the tradition is retained in Eastern India. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > ________________________________ > V.Partha sarathy [partvinu] > Monday, March 21, 2005 4:26 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: D-Charts > > > > Dear Viswandam Sir > > You cannot prove the point by using Karakamsa to such folks, as they > say that karakamsa is where AK is sitting in Rasi chart. > > You can probably use the quotes on aspects in navamsa chart in > Jaimini Sutras. > > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "SuryaViswanadham" > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sarajit, Namaskar > > > > This question about use of 'bhavas' in the vargas (varga chakras - > > some do not seem to agree with the use of chakra) keeps coming. > > > > To be more precise, can we analyse a chart like dasamsa (D-10) in > the > > same way we analyse Rasi (D-1) ? Does it have Parasara's sanction? > > > > People seriously interested in knowing the truth, raised this issue > > on this list even before. > > > > What i like to know from you is the following: > > > > In the chapter on Karakamsha (in BPHS), after defining karakamsha, > > Parasara gives the effects of planets in the karakamsha, 2nd from > the > > karakamsha, 3rd, 4th,5th etc.,from the karakamsha. > > > > Can we take this as a conclusive proof that the use of houses in > the > > divisionals has the sanction of Parasara (spelled out in so many > > words)? > > > > i ask this because clarification on this can comfort many beginners > > that they are travelling on the highway. > > > > Thanks & regards > > suryaviswanadham > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > > <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > Dear Vijayadas, > > > > > > If Drekkana has to show more about siblings, how can this be > shown > > without referring Drekkana as a chart? As I said before, due to > > brevity of words, not everything could be explicitly mentioned in > the > > classics and more than that it was expected that the it would be > > taught by a qualified guru, who has been transferred the knowledge > > through his parampara. > > > > > > Now see this statement of BPHS: > > > One third of a RÄÂÅ›i is called Drekkana. These are totally 36, > > counted from Mesh, repeating thrice at the rate of 12 per round. > The > > 1st, 5th and the 9th RÄÂÅ›is from a RÄÂÅ›i are its three Drekkana > and > > are, respectively, lorded by Narada, Agasthya and Durvash. > > > > > > Here maharishi says that the 1st, 5th and 9th rasis from a rasi > are > > its drekkana. This means that if a planet is there in the 2nd > > drekkana of Aries, then it would be placed in a sign which is 5th > > from Aries, i.e., Leo. Similarly you can find that all the planets > in > > different drekkana can be similarly mapped to different drekkana > > signs. What is the trouble if they are shown in the form of a > chart. > > Moreover, what can you find about siblings, if not consider > drekkana > > as a chart. Take the drekkana of the 3rd lord? Then what? What > > strength would you find… it is known that the trines from a sign > > are always friendly, means that the 3rd lord is always well placed > in > > the drekkana and everyone’s siblings should be strong and well to > > do? Please think if this cannot be used as a full chart, how else > it > > can be used for finding more details about the siblings! > > > > > > However, if you follow my earlier contention, Maharishi wanted > the > > divisions to be used as charts, that’s why he has given the rules > > of bhavas etc after describing the divisions; you can know almost > > everything about the siblings from the Drekkana. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Om Krishna Guru Namaste Partha Garu, I agree with you 100% and follow the same as you do. Thank you Sir for writing this. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > Dear Sarbani > > Yes, but the point is that can we prove to the non-parampara or > non-traditionals that karaka lagna and karakamsa lagna are two > different things. > > In my case, see I accept new things very easily,. It did not take me > ages to accept 8 charakarkas, arudhas, divisional charts. I accepted > them because i beleived that gurus cannot be wrong. I tested the > principles on charts without any bias, and came to the conclusion that > my faith in gurus was not misplaced. For example using the > arthatrikona principle in dasamsa i could guage the career better than > simply looking at Rasi. > > I could clearly understand the issues of parents from d-12. I clearly > understand why i got astrological knowledge from great grandfather > maternal, rather than from paternal side through the d-40 chart. > > I understand children issues very clearly from saptamsa. > > One rule in saptamsa is that venus, mercury and saturn in trines to > navamsa lagna can cause childlessness. Today i got a typical case, and > the guy is not having kids despite so many remedial measures. He has > pisces saptamsa lagna with mercury+venus+saturn in lagna . What can i > say more. > Siddhamsa has been quite useful, though i have not used it much, for > the simple reason that i dont get cases of students much. > Career, marriage cases are very common ,. thus navamsa and dasamsa > charts have been very useful would be an understatement,. > best wishes > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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