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March 20, 2005

12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">|| Jaya

Jagannath ||

12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Dear Vijayadas,

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12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">You have

raised some pertinent questions and answering them would help others too

understanding the topic.

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12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Here are the

references of the use of divisional charts:

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12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Let’s

take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

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12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Chapter 6:

Arial">Sloka 2-4:

Arial">Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma

has described 16 kinds of Vargas (Divisions) for each Râúi.

Listen to those. The names are Râúi, Horâ,

Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú,

Saptâñú,

Navâñú,

Dashâñú,

Dvadashâñú,

Shodashâñú,

Vimshâñú,

Chaturvimshâñú,

Saptavimshâñú,

Trimshâñú,

Khavedâñú,

Akshavedâñú

and Shashtiâñú.

12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">

12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Chapter 7:

Arial">Sloka 1-8:

12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">The physique

from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

co-born from Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú,

sons and grandsons from Saptâñú, spouse from Navâñú,

power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

Dvadashâñú,

benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

worship from Vimsh

Arial">âñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú,

strength and weakness from Saptavimshâñú, evil effects

from Trimshâñú,

auspicious and inauspicious effects from Khavedâñú

and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and Shashtiâñú:

these are the considerations to be made through the respective Vargas. The

Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

diminish; so say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose

Lord is in a benefic Shodashâñú, flourish.

This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

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12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">While one

reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what Maharishi

Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went to the divisional

charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the Special Lagnas. Only after explaining the

divisional charts he went on describing the other things such as effects of

bhava and judgment of different houses.

What could be the intention of Maharishi in

presenting the subject in this order? Only thing which we can make out is that

he wanted us to apply the principles he mentioned after explaining the

divisional charts to all the divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts.

However, to make it clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from

the each of the divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

bhavas etc. after the divisional charts we can arrive at

better results related to that area. However, though the intention is little

clearer, how exactly to apply the principles in the divisional charts is not

and he “might” have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge

would demonstrate how to apply them.

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Arial">Lets take another

great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

Arial">Saravali went ahead

one more step and gave the information on the divisional charts in the 3rd

chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To highlight the importance of the

Divisions he says in the sloka 12 ,

where he says that:

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Arial;color:black">“The effects of a horoscope should be predicted

according to the divisions of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such

Lords, one cannot lay even a step forward in the direction of astrology.”

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

explaining more characteristics of the rasis such as the

directions, the day/ night signs, strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now

why did he explain the divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

also we can think that the explanation need not

only be applicable to the rasi charts but also to the divisional charts.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">Hope this clears your doubt.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

mapping of the Zodiac, but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the

Kalapurusha. This is based on the principle that everything

in this world follows the Kalapurusha, the supreme

governor of time. Since this is not the actual mapping of the zodiac, the

principles applicable to actual zodiac can be violated, such as Nodes can be in

one signs also such as in D-24 sign and few other. I do not see any problem

with that. Moreover if divisions are not to be used, then why

only Navamsa which also falls under this category is given so much of

importance.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras

has given many gems on Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa,

Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa etc. which can be studied and seen that the

principles are the similar as that of Rasi chart, however applied to a very

specific area.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa usage.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart

for marriage purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails,

since he is very busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as

his silence. Thanks for understanding.

Arial;color:black">

Arial;color:black">Best Wishes

Arial;color:black">Sarajit

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vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep ]

Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27

PM

To:

[vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Sarajit Poddar

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Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected

members.

Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as

compared to me.I have

not even gained 20% of the basics.

Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great

respect is in

agreement with your view.(his postings in the list

has been helping me

to grasp the basics over the years).

With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

suggestions for my

son(he was having some stomach related problems

and vomiting) helped

in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

But you have said, what i wanted to say -

Understanding.I have not

understood.

I have been writing all these mails to get a

satisfactory answer

regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any

of you would be

willing to give an explanation.

Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

If you have understood could you kindly say why we

can use it as a

chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and

when astronomically it

is impossible?

Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! -

Some says in vargas it

is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu

seven signs

back.Thus there are contradictions.

Also other astronomical impossibilities as

explained by many, happens

when we treat vargas as charts.

If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can

conjunct as they may

be a particular tattwa falling from different

signs or belonging to

different lords.

(Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign

tattwas, but only lords!!).

Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know,

numerous things are

explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9

planets.

I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an

astrologer of your stature

will be able to explain any given incident from

that chart.Can you

honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried

away.

If we want we can explain any incident and

convince people and

ourselves from any chart without shattering

basics!!.

A planet can give good effects when well placed in

the concerned

vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor

results and vice versa.

Also predictive success alone can never be

considered as a gauge for

knowledge and confirmation.

Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

Elections.Does that

mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done

many good predictions

at other times.

Thus prediction depends on different factors and

time periods.

Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late

shri Santhanam found it

difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did

D.v.Subbu Rao had a

different opinion.

For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is

Guru Vandya.Agreeing

to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is

more of a Guru

Ninda for me.

This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It

will be kind if you

or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it

can be used as full

charts.

Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be

happy to get the

astronomical reasoning from the

ancestors/parampara.

Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

considered as

charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

My humble understanding is also the same- They

show the tattwas to

which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go

deep layer by layer.

And each layer explains different Koshas for

different

matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the

divisions right from

navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Sarajit,

> Very well said.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sarajit Poddar wrote:

>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> >

> > As you say that the person using the

divisional charts need to

> > understand the erection of the chart,

the philosophy behind its and

> > the ways to use it before start using

it. However, only because

> > someone is unable to understand the

usage of some aspects of a

> > discipline does not mean that that

aspect is incorrect. Moreover, it

> > is not at all about sophistication as

you have mentioned, it is about

> > the depth of the discipline. It is expected

that someone who is

new to

> > a discipline, only learns the

fundamentals and basics, however when

> > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets

deeper into the subject and

> > this is true with all subjects and not

Jyotish only.

> >

> > The statement that Shastras do not have

sanction of using the

> > divisional charts is of no ground. If

that's so Maharishi Parashara,

> > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma,

Vyankatesha Daivagna and many

> > authors have not said so many things in

days where the brevity of

> > words and space were of utmost

importance. Whatever the point it, the

> > bottomline is that, the taste of the

pudding is in eating... try it

> > and then see how useful are they.

> >

> > If were to make appeals to the

beginners, then tell them to study

> > authentic sources and understand it

properly before using them. Isn't

> > it true even with the interpretation of

rasi chart!!!

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sarajit

> >

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> >

> > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15

AM

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> > Accident schematic)

> >

> > namaste,

> >

> > Someone just sent me this. I am posting

it here. The gentleman who

> > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have

not asked his permission to

> > post it here but I thought this is in

context with various divisional

> > and other techniques we are debating. My

apologies to Mr. pradeep if I

> > am taking too many liberties here.

> >

> > ---

> > This mail only address my concerns

regarding technical points.

> > I think we are missing the essence.

Techniques that ease our

> > calculation are a boon. No one

disagrees. For that reason we use

> > software. But Jyotish is not about

technical sophistication.

> >

> > When we have a door and steps to enter a

house why should we use our

> > acrobatic skills and climb through the

sewage pipe, at the building

> > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose

of door and steps) one can

> > try climbing through sewage for a

change.

> >

> > But what is happening. One is not aware

of the basics and goes

> > directly to sewage pipe. Many go

directly to dashamsha whenever

> > professional matters are to be

ascertained, even without knowing how

> > dashamsha is derived. Many believe

dashamsha as a division of the

> > 10th house & Navamsha as a division

of the 9th house. I got private

> > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> >

> > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for

professional matters, but

> > there is no classical reference

sanctioning the usage of it as a

> > chart. Moreover astronomically it is

impossible. As per Shri

> > Narasimha sage has not even given the

amsha tattwas - just the lords

> > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

trikonas etc in

> > divisionals, when considering it as a

chart itself is against

> > rules?.

> >

> > If we start stretching our legs before

we sit, we will fall.

> > Unfortunately some techniques are taking

one away from basics. If we

> > have a good foundation, any number of

floors can be erected on top.

> > If our basement is weak, irrespective of

how many techniques we

> > have, the structures can only collapse.

One can keep and open mind

> > and pick the good from all sources. It

is not necessary to accept

> > all from one place and leave the rest. I

can learn from you and vice

> > versa may be one of the best approaches.

Please see this in the

> > right spirit. I respect knowledge from

all,but do not accept

> > anything blindly.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > -----

> >

> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >> Namaste Kartik,

> >>

> >> Excellent question. Everything is

derived from rashi and it

trumps all

> >> the charts. I do look at the

divisional lagna and planets in it

or the

> >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But

I do not go jumping to

divisional

> >> and use it as a chart with houses. I

can not say parashara said

to use

> >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not

want to get into pedantic argument

> >> about it, I have not seen evidence

that parashar said to use

> >> divisional as a separate chart) Also

the divisional influence is a

> >> Tertiary influence and NOT the

primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis is

> >> to be used to look for tertiary

facors. If the primary factors are

> >> adverse, I don't care how strong a

divisional chart is it is not

going

> >> to give great results.Yes if a graha

is debilited in rashi but

exalted

> >> in navansh then his strength is

improved and it is one of the

> >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> >>

> >> Now about twins, every one talks

about it in connection with

> >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins

as an exception and do not go

> >> formulating rules for exceptions,

thats a dangerous habit. I am happy

> >> if I can make good predictions in 75

percent of the cases. Also I

have

> >> seen that navansha lagna if it

changes can make facial features

> >> different in twins. Anyway people

say there are 100s or 1000s of

> >> people born on the same day and time

and place. This is a conjecture,

> >> go and find hospital records and

show me statistical record of how

> >> many births tooks place at the same

place and same time.

> >>

> >> Talking about Parashar. He has given

avataars ..he says Moon is

> >> Krishna,

Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

> >> was son of vyas ? He did not say

future avataar of budhh, so that

> >> shloka could mean that this was

written at a much later date or

it was

> >> added to the original text at a

later date.He never mentions about

> >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic ,

I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> >> mentionsi t).It is written in this

classic "When budh is in quadrant

> >> from Sun.." Now we know thats

anastronomical immpossibility.

> >>

> >> Anyway the point is one has to be

careful in deciphering what was

said

> >> in ancient texts. There are

controversies in many areas of

jyotish and

> >> in interpretation of classics. My

point is to use methods that have

> >> been tested on many many horoscopes.

I will be really surprised that

> >> people have calculated so many divisional

charts in the past. May be

> >> for well to do who could pay money

to have these elaborate charts

made

> >> precomputer era. For most the charts

were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was

added only if a client

insisted). In

> >> the north or may be south it was

customary. it is not so in the

> >> western part of India.

> >>

> >> Anyway

> >>

> >> ...

> >>

> >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000,

amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Panditji,

> >> >

I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

> >> > arguements so nothing in what I

will say will have any personal

> >> > connotations). If we were to

focus on rashi charts and not give

much

> >> > of consideration to

divisionals, then would it not be true that a

> >> > large number of people (a

relative terminology) would end up with

> >> > the same horoscope and one

might be a king and the other a pauper (

> >> > a theoretical comparison).Also

what about twins?

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Kartik

> >> >

> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> >> >

> >> > wrote:

> >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> >> > >

> >> > > Looks like you are taking

sides to defend something that has not

> >> > been

> >> > > attacked. I know what

parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> >> > > divisions and if you say

it was in vogue since the day of

parashar

> >> > you

> >> > > must be really looooong in

tooth. You are talking as if you just

> >> > had a

> >> > > conversation with him. I stand

by my statement that divisional

> >> > came in

> >> > > vogue after the advent of

computers and now even a novice

with one

> >> > day

> >> > > of training or less can

put them up and can write off pages about

> >> > > which planet is where in

which varga and from what rashi dasha he

> >> > is

> >> > > in what house. Whether

there are houses in divisional charts is a

> >> > > debate in itself. I do not

know sanjay rath and my intention was

> >> > not

> >> > > to question his teachings

or his grand fathers', as I do not know

> >> > his

> >> > > teachings. What I

commented is based on what I have seen a few on

> >> > the

> >> > > list who say they are

beginners just go on and on about

divisionals

> >> > > and dashas in divisionals

as if there was no tomorrow. I put

out my

> >> > > opinion for others to

read, they can make their own judgements

> >> > about

> >> > > whatever technique they

want to use. If you want to use 5

kinds of

> >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of

lagnas to arrive at a correct

prediction, all

> >> > > the power to you. I am

presenting what I feel is a approach that

> >> > has

> >> > > worked for me. Let others

be judge of those methods. I am not

> >> > forcing

> >> > > any technique down

anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> >> > > methodology( Which is not

invented by me, but has been taught by

> >> > great

> >> > > astrologers like KN RAo,

Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> >> > should

> >> > > you or anyone feel

threatened by it.

> >> > >

> >> > > People ask questions on

this list and if I have time and

> >> > inclination I

> >> > > answer to the best of my

ability. While doing so, I feel I

have to

> >> > put

> >> > > my opinions out there for

people on the list to read. I have not

> >> > > criticized any astrologer

on the list, thats not my style.

But if I

> >> > > have differences of

opinion with a methodology I voice my

opinion.

> >> > Let

> >> > > the members of the list

decide what they want to use. Your

methods

> >> > may

> >> > > be good for you, why are

you threatened if someone puts out there

> >> > > views on the subject.

> >> > >

> >> > > Regards

> >> > >

> >> > > ...

> >> > >

> >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005

01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...>

wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >> > > > > Namaste,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > These principles

are a work in progress. It would surprise me

> >> > if

> >> > > > > they have

been tested on tons of charts.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > As with any field of

knowledge, there are always principles,

> >> > idioms,

> >> > > > patterns, which will

be formed and would be subjected to

> >> > testing! On

> >> > > > what basis did you

jump to conclusion that these principles

have

> >> > not

> >> > > > been tested

adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> >> > these

> >> > > > principles are a

"work in progress", for that matter no

> >> > principles

> >> > > > work 100% and

research is required! It could also be entirely

> >> > > > probable that the

chart could need some rectification. One

> >> > should

> >> > > > have an open mind.

For that matter, even your principles are

> >> > > > subjected to testing

and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> >> > matter,

> >> > > > then you would be an

"Expert/Rishi"

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > To begin with

the divisionals came

> >> > > > > into vogue after

the advent of computer programs which made

> >> > > > > calculation of

them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

> >> > one

> >> > > > > calculated all

these accurately and verified, the jatak would

> >> > have

> >> > > > > been long gone.

So this phenomenon is from the past few years

> >> > and I

> >> > > > > don't see

evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> >> > > > > applicability

> >> > > > > in 75 percent of

the cases. I am sure there will be one

or two

> >> > > > charts

> >> > > > > where it will

fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great

> >> > cold

> >> > > > > north, "One

Robin does not make a spring".

> >> > > >

> >> > > > For your esteemed

information, Divisionals were in vogue since

> >> > the

> >> > > > days of Parasara,

infact, right at the start, he defined and

> >> > gave

> >> > > > meaninings to all

divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> >> > > > saying that

Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

that we

> >> > can

> >> > > > pass our idle time or

do you think they had nothing better to

> >> > do???

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Even in the past,

AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> >> > > > calculation, for

example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> >> > Sanjay

> >> > > > Rath, used to

MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> >> > would be

> >> > > > surprised, dasas upto

deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> >> > > > Ofcourse, these

calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

> >> > they

> >> > > > would limit

themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

times,

> >> > > > these charts are

prepared in advance.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict

themselves to

> >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa

and make accurate predictions, and they do

rely a

> >> > lot

> >> > > > on their intuition.

If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> >> > we

> >> > > > better hope and pray

for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

by the

> >> > > > way ... even those

who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> >> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not

> >> > lagna,

> >> > > > then chandra lagna

.... so on and so forth!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Point is ... serious

minded & honest research is required to

> >> > come up

> >> > > > with principles and

then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> >> > is

> >> > > > in the process of

doing it ... although there is no formal

> >> > process

> >> > > > for it. We will be

taking this matter seriously in the coming

> >> > years!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Another point, Pt

Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> >> > > > likes/expects his

student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> >> > > > intelligence! Nothing

comes easy ... Adversity breeds

CHARACTER!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > New parameters

are introduced to fit the event which is

> >> > already

> >> > > > known.

> >> > > > > On this list

some time back one had an example of father's

> >> > death.

> >> > > > For

> >> > > > > that they used

7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> >> > why ? Why

> >> > > > > not 7th from 9th

from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> >> > from

> >> > > > 9th

> >> > > > > from ravi. Then

one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> >> > not

> >> > > > find

> >> > > > > it there , then

aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> >> > 12. It

> >> > > > > can get

confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> >> > rashis

> >> > > > and I

> >> > > > > am sure the

graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

> >> > the

> >> > > > known

> >> > > > > event will be

there in one of those.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I am sure, not even

Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

must

> >> > > > have exprimented,

just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> >> > with

> >> > > > idioms &

principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> >> > even

> >> > > > you have a fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, without

> >> > > > beating around the

bush!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > My point is

,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> >> > > > > consistent

principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> >> > cases.Then

> >> > > > make

> >> > > > > it a principle.

Do not make rules as you go based on the

chart

> >> > you

> >> > > > > have in front of

you.BTW there are principles that have been

> >> > > > developed

> >> > > > > by peope like KN

Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

> >> > they

> >> > > > work

> >> > > > > in majority of

cases

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Principles, should

especially be tested on the basis of

> >> > probability,

> >> > > > like Narasimha said,

if the likelihood of an event happening is

> >> > high

> >> > > > and if you give a

numerous paramters explaining the event,

these

> >> > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they

may be

> >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Like explaining, the

chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> >> > caused

> >> > > > birth of siblings!! I

consider that an incomplete and a totally

> >> > > > inadequate research!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Warm Regards

> >> > > > Narayan

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar

2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> >> > <mtravass@t...>

> >> > > >

> >> > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Hi

Narasimha,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I applied

the same logic in my chart and it shows something

> >> > else.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > The time

when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> >> > > > running

> >> > > > > > Cn-Li

Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > The second

time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

and I

> >> > was

> >> > > > > > running

Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Both the

accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

GMT).

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I cannot

apply any of the principles that you stated in

your

> >> > > > email

> >> > > > > > unless

there are others, which can be applied, and you did

> >> > not

> >> > > > state.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Could you

assist here?

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Mike

> >> > > > > >

November 14, 1963

> >> > > > > >

Time: 14:03:00

> >> > > > > > Time

Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >> > > > > >

Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N

18' 00"

> >> > > > >

>

Margao, Goa, India

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> >> > Rao"

> >> > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> >> > > > > > >

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> >> > > > > > > To:

> >> > > > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> >> > > > > > >

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear

Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

under

> >> > > > this.

> >> > > > > > > >

Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> >> > (combinations) in

> >> > > > D16

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> >> > > > taken in

> >> > > > > > D16.

> >> > > > > > >

> 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> >> > > > respectively,

> >> > > > > > in D16 they

> >> > > > > > >

> will show for matters related to cars and

other

> >> > sukha.

> >> > > > > > >

> 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> >> > > > > > >

> Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> >> > > > > > > >

Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> >> > above.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Add

badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> >> > problem

> >> > > > sign.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > My birthdata

is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> >> > > > > > India

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > I had

a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

6:30 pm

> >> > > > (EST),

> >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA.

I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > As per

D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> >> > antardasa.

> >> > > > In my

> >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is

the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> >> > > > Mercury and

> >> > > > > > nodes. It

is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> >> > > > vehicle.

> >> > > > > > It is also

the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> >> > problems in

> >> > > > > > sukha.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Those

who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> >> > dasa

> >> > > > > >

interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> >> > > > seershodaya

> >> > > > > > rasi. So it

gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> >> > lord

> >> > > > Venus

> >> > > > > > is also in

a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> >> > in

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > second

one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> >> > > > occupants

> >> > > > > > and

aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,

> >> > > > Rahu,

> >> > > > > > Ketu and

Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

> >> > last

> >> > > > one-

> >> > > > > > third of

the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> >> > 4

> >> > > > planets

> >> > > > > > in this

order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> >> > is

> >> > > > given

> >> > > > > > in Oct

1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

badhaka

> >> > > > sthana

> >> > > > > > and aspects

the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> >> > period

> >> > > > in

> >> > > > > > question

resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> >> > an

> >> > > > > > accident in

Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> >> > > > suffered

> >> > > > > > too. It was

hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> >> > parking

> >> > > > lot.

> >> > > > > > I did not

see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> >> > these

> >> > > > > > repeated

incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> >> > another

> >> > > > new

> >> > > > > > car in Sept

1997. All these are due to the sub-period

giving

> >> > the

> >> > > > > > results of

Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> >> > > > antardasa was

> >> > > > > > also of Ta,

which contains Rahu.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > As per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

antardasa.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > In my

annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16

had Leo

> >> > > > rising,

> >> > > > > > lagna lord

Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> >> > Ketu.

> >> > > > Saturn-

> >> > > > > > Saturn

antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> >> > running

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > Dec 3 to

Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > The

technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us,

> >> > > > > > >

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March 20, 2005

Dear shri Sarajit ji

Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you have

written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have mentioned

divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has mentioned

about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house or

Rashi'' and its strength.

Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some significance based on

the number we use and their physical disposition.

For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house or

eleventh house and both signify siblings.

One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after lagna (younger

ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be considered as

houses

Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a dashamsha.

After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has to see

the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.

The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.

Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses and

strength of lords,with care.

"The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

divisions of Houses.

Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay even a step

forward in the direction of astrology."

Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets as numerous

planets can have a role for 10th house like owner,aspect,conjunction

karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too convey the

same meaning.

Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer to the

same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.

When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sage

expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned planets from the

respective vargas ,before prediction.

If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very clear.

''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly to

apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might"

have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

how to apply them''.

Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation of

Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional ''charts'' instead

of Divisions.

I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is not

helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to divisons of

houses.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...> wrote:

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Vijayadas,

>

> You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them would help

> others too understanding the topic.

>

> Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

>

> Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

>

> Chapter 6:

> Sloka 2-4:

> Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of Vargas

> (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are Râúi, Horâ,

> Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú, Shodashâñú,

> Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,

Akshavedâñú

> and Shashtiâñú.

>

> Chapter 7:

> Sloka 1-8:

> The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through co-born from

> Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

Saptâñú, spouse

> from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from Dvadashâñú,

> benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

worship from

> Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and weakness from

> Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and inauspicious

> effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and

> Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through the

respective

> Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

diminish; so

> say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic Shodashâñú,

> flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

>

> While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what

Maharishi

> Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went to the

> divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the Special

Lagnas.

> Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on describing

the other

> things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different houses. What

> could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the subject in

this order?

> Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to apply the

> principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional charts to

all the

> divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However, to make it

> clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from the each

of the

> divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for bhavas etc.

> after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results related

to that

> area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly

to apply

> the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might" have

expected

> that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how to apply

them.

>

> ***********************

> Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on the

divisional

> charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To

highlight

> the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 , where he says

> that:

>

> "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

divisions

> of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot

lay even a

> step forward in the direction of astrology."

>

> Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

explaining more

> characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the day/ night

signs,

> strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he explain the

> divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here also we can

think

> that the explanation need not only be applicable to the rasi charts

but also

> to the divisional charts.

>

> Hope this clears your doubt.

>

> Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual mapping of the

Zodiac,

> but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha.

This is

> based on the principle that everything in this world follows the

> Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is not the actual

> mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual zodiac can be

> violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in D-24

sign and

> few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if divisions

are not

> to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under this

category is

> given so much of importance.

>

> In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has given many

gems on

> Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa etc.

> which can be studied and seen that the principles are the similar as

that of

> Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

>

> You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa usage.

>

> Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for marriage

> purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

>

> NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails, since he

is very

> busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as his silence.

> Thanks for understanding.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

> _____

>

> vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

vedic astrology/info.html

> [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

Sarajit Poddar

>

> Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

>

> Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared to me.I have

> not even gained 20% of the basics.

> Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is in

> agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been helping me

> to grasp the basics over the years).

>

> With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and suggestions for my

> son(he was having some stomach related problems and vomiting) helped

> in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

>

> But you have said, what i wanted to say - Understanding.I have not

> understood.

> I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory answer

> regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you would be

> willing to give an explanation.

> Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> If you have understood could you kindly say why we can use it as a

> chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when astronomically it

> is impossible?

> Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in vargas it

> is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs

> back.Thus there are contradictions.

> Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by many, happens

> when we treat vargas as charts.

> If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct as they may

> be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or belonging to

> different lords.

> (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but only lords!!).

>

> Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous things are

> explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of your stature

> will be able to explain any given incident from that chart.Can you

> honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> If we want we can explain any incident and convince people and

> ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> A planet can give good effects when well placed in the concerned

> vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice versa.

>

> Also predictive success alone can never be considered as a gauge for

> knowledge and confirmation.

> Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US Elections.Does that

> mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good predictions

> at other times.

> Thus prediction depends on different factors and time periods.

> Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam found it

> difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao had a

> different opinion.

>

> For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru Vandya.Agreeing

> to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a Guru

> Ninda for me.

> This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be kind if you

> or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used as full

> charts.

> Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the

> astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be considered as

> charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> My humble understanding is also the same- They show the tattwas to

> which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer by layer.

> And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

>

> Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions right from

> navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Very well said.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> >

> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts need to

> > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind its and

> > > the ways to use it before start using it. However, only because

> > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some aspects of a

> > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

Moreover, it

> > > is not at all about sophistication as you have mentioned, it is

about

> > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone who is

> new to

> > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however when

> > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the subject and

> > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > >

> > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of using the

> > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so Maharishi

Parashara,

> > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and many

> > > authors have not said so many things in days where the brevity of

> > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the point

it, the

> > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in eating... try it

> > > and then see how useful are they.

> > >

> > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to study

> > > authentic sources and understand it properly before using them.

Isn't

> > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> ------

> > >

> > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> > > Accident schematic)

> > >

> > > namaste,

> > >

> > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The gentleman who

> > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his permission to

> > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

divisional

> > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

pradeep if I

> > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > >

> > > ---

> > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

> > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we use

> > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

> > >

> > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we use our

> > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the building

> > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps) one can

> > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > >

> > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

> > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever

> > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without knowing how

> > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the

> > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got private

> > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > >

> > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but

> > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

> > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the lords

> > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

> > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

> > > rules?.

> > >

> > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics. If we

> > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on top.

> > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we

> > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind

> > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to accept

> > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you and vice

> > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the

> > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> > > anything blindly.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > -----

> > >

> > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > >>

> > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

> trumps all

> > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it

> or the

> > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

> divisional

> > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said

> to use

> > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

argument

> > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a

> > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7

axis is

> > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are

> > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not

> going

> > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

> exalted

> > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > >>

> > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not go

> > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

happy

> > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I

> have

> > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

conjecture,

> > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how

> > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> > >>

> > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

parashar who

> > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or

> it was

> > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions about

> > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

quadrant

> > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> > >>

> > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was

> said

> > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

> jyotish and

> > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have

> > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

that

> > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past.

May be

> > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts

> made

> > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> insisted). In

> > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> > >> western part of India.

> > >>

> > >> Anyway

> > >>

> > >> ...

> > >>

> > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > > wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

> > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give

> much

> > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that a

> > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up with

> > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

pauper (

> > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > >> > Regards,

> > >> > Kartik

> > >> >

> > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > >> >

> > >> > wrote:

> > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

has not

> > >> > been

> > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

about

> > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> parashar

> > >> > you

> > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

just

> > >> > had a

> > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> > >> > came in

> > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice

> with one

> > >> > day

> > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

about

> > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

dasha he

> > >> > is

> > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

charts is a

> > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

intention was

> > >> > not

> > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do

not know

> > >> > his

> > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a

few on

> > >> > the

> > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> divisionals

> > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put

> out my

> > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> > >> > about

> > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

> kinds of

> > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> prediction, all

> > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

that

> > >> > has

> > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > >> > forcing

> > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

taught by

> > >> > great

> > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> > >> > should

> > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > >> > inclination I

> > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

> have to

> > >> > put

> > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I

have not

> > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style.

> But if I

> > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> opinion.

> > >> > Let

> > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> methods

> > >> > may

> > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

there

> > >> > > views on the subject.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > >

> > >> > > ...

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

surprise me

> > >> > if

> > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> > >> > idioms,

> > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > >> > testing! On

> > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

> have

> > >> > not

> > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > >> > these

> > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > >> > principles

> > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > >> > should

> > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > >> > matter,

> > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by

the time

> > >> > one

> > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

would

> > >> > have

> > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

years

> > >> > and I

> > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > >> > > > > applicability

> > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one

> or two

> > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

> great

> > >> > cold

> > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

since

> > >> > the

> > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> > >> > gave

> > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!

Are you

> > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

> that we

> > >> > can

> > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

> > >> > do???

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> > >> > Sanjay

> > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > >> > would be

> > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

hence,

> > >> > they

> > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

> times,

> > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> themselves to

> > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

> rely a

> > >> > lot

> > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > >> > we

> > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

> by the

> > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > >> > lagna,

> > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> > >> > come up

> > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

thoroughly. SJC

> > >> > is

> > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > >> > process

> > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

> > >> > years!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed

.... he

> > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

> CHARACTER!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > >> > already

> > >> > > > known.

> > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> > >> > death.

> > >> > > > For

> > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > >> > why ? Why

> > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> > >> > from

> > >> > > > 9th

> > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> > >> > not

> > >> > > > find

> > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th

in D-

> > >> > 12. It

> > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > >> > rashis

> > >> > > > and I

> > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

time of

> > >> > the

> > >> > > > known

> > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

> must

> > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and

come up

> > >> > with

> > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > >> > even

> > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

without

> > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

develop a

> > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > >> > cases.Then

> > >> > > > make

> > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

> chart

> > >> > you

> > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

been

> > >> > > > developed

> > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

Trust me

> > >> > they

> > >> > > > work

> > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > >> > probability,

> > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

happening is

> > >> > high

> > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

> these

> > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

> may be

> > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> > >> > caused

> > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

totally

> > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > >> > > > Narayan

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

something

> > >> > else.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,)

I was

> > >> > > > running

> > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

> and I

> > >> > was

> > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

> GMT).

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

> your

> > >> > > > email

> > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and

you did

> > >> > not

> > >> > > > state.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Mike

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > >> > Rao"

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > -

> > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

> schematic)

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

> under

> > >> > > > this.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > >> > (combinations) in

> > >> > > > D16

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

should be

> > >> > > > taken in

> > >> > > > > > D16.

> > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > >> > > > respectively,

> > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> > >> > sukha.

> > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

mentioned

> > >> > above.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > >> > problem

> > >> > > > sign.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > >> > > > > > India

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

> 6:30 pm

> > >> > > > (EST),

> > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

"totalled".

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > >> > antardasa.

> > >> > > > In my

> > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > >> > > > Mercury and

> > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss

of a

> > >> > > > vehicle.

> > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > >> > problems in

> > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > >> > dasa

> > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > >> > > > seershodaya

> > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> > >> > lord

> > >> > > > Venus

> > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

results

> > >> > in

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > >> > > > occupants

> > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

> Venus,

> > >> > > > Rahu,

> > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

divide the

> > >> > last

> > >> > > > one-

> > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

these

> > >> > 4

> > >> > > > planets

> > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

mahadasa sign

> > >> > is

> > >> > > > given

> > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> badhaka

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Dear Vijaydas,

Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not mentioned that either. He

has written about it in the same breath as the other divisions.

Best regards,

Sarbani

vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep ] Sunday, March

20, 2005 8:23 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Sarajit Poddar

Dear shri Sarajit jiThanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you

havewritten has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have

mentioneddivisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has

mentionedabout any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house

orRashi'' and its strength.Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some

significance based onthe number we use and their physical disposition.For

example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house oreleventh house

and both signify siblings.One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is

after lagna (youngerones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

considered ashousesVargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is

a dashamsha.After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has to

seethe strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.The sage only

expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.Pls see the quote from your

mail - read divisions of houses andstrength of lords,with care."The effects of

a horoscope should be predicted according to thedivisions of Houses. Without

knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay even a stepforward in the

direction of astrology."Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said

planets as numerousplanets can have a role for 10th house like

owner,aspect,conjunctionkaraka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to

beascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too convey thesame

meaning.Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer to

thesame but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.When we say

physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sageexpects us to evaluate the

strength of the concerned planets from therespective vargas ,before

prediction.If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very

clear.''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly toapply

the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might" have expected

that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstratehow to apply them''.Thus

as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation ofGuru on how to use

,that has brought, in divisional ''charts'' insteadof Divisions.I do not know

who is right.But the quotes you have given is nothelpful in clearing doubts as

as they are only pointing to divisons ofhouses.ThanksPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"<sarajit@s...> wrote:> || Jaya

Jagannath ||> Dear Vijayadas,> > You have raised some pertinent questions and

answering them would help> others too understanding the topic. > > Here are

the references of the use of divisional charts:> > Let's take BPHS by

Maharishi Parashara.> > Chapter 6: > Sloka 2-4:> Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord

Brahma has described 16 kinds of Vargas> (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to

those. The names are Râúi, Horâ,> Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú,

Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú, Shodashâñú,> Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú,

Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,Akshavedâñú> and Shashtiâñú.> > Chapter 7:> Sloka 1-8:>

The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through co-born from>

Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons fromSaptâñú, spouse>

from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from Dvadashâñú,>

benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,worship from>

Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and weakness from>

Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and inauspicious>

effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and>

Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through therespective>

Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, willdiminish; so> say

Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic Shodashâñú,> flourish.

This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.> > While one reads BPHS one

needs to be very careful in reading whatMaharishi> Really wanted to convey. You

would see that he directly went to the> divisional charts after explaining the

Grahas, Rasis and the SpecialLagnas.> Only after explaining the divisional

charts he went on describingthe other> things such as effects of bhava and

judgment of different houses. What> could be the intention of Maharishi in

presenting the subject inthis order?> Only thing which we can make out is that

he wanted us to apply the> principles he mentioned after explaining the

divisional charts toall the> divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts.

However, to make it> clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from

the eachof the> divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

bhavas etc.> after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results

relatedto that> area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how

exactlyto apply> the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might"

haveexpected> that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how to

applythem.> > ***********************> Lets take another great Treatise on the

Subject Saravali.> Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on

thedivisional> charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi.

Tohighlight> the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 , where he

says> that:> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to

thedivisions> of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one

cannotlay even a> step forward in the direction of astrology."> > Only after

explaining about different divisions he went onexplaining more> characteristics

of the rasis such as the directions, the day/ nightsigns,> strength of signs,

their cardinality etc. Now why did he explain the> divisions before he

explained more about the rasis? Here also we canthink> that the explanation

need not only be applicable to the rasi chartsbut also> to the divisional

charts.> > Hope this clears your doubt.> > Moreover as you said the Divisions

are not the actual mapping of theZodiac,> but zooming of one of the sign and

mapping it to the Kalapurusha.This is> based on the principle that everything

in this world follows the> Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since

this is not the actual> mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to

actual zodiac can be> violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as

in D-24sign and> few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if

divisionsare not> to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under

thiscategory is> given so much of importance.> > In addition Maharishi Jaimini

in his Upadesha Sutras has given manygems on> Divisional Charts such as

Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa etc.> which can be studied and seen

that the principles are the similar asthat of> Rasi chart, however applied to a

very specific area.> > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on

Navamsa usage.> > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for

marriage> purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.> > NOTE: Pt.

Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails, since heis very> busy in

multiple things and we should not interpret this as his silence.> Thanks for

understanding.> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > _____ > >

vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep] > Sunday, March 20,

2005 8:27 PM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology]

Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /ShriSarajit Poddar> > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri

Sarajit and respected members.> > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as

compared to me.I have> not even gained 20% of the basics.> Also Chandrashekhar

ji to whom i am having great respect is in> agreement with your view.(his

postings in the list has been helping me> to grasp the basics over the years).>

> With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and suggestions for my> son(he

was having some stomach related problems and vomiting) helped> in getting the

problem cured all of a sudden.> > But you have said, what i wanted to say -

Understanding.I have not> understood.> I have been writing all these mails to

get a satisfactory answer> regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of

you would be> willing to give an explanation.> Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.> If

you have understood could you kindly say why we can use it as a> chart when

parashara has not sanctioned it and when astronomically it> is impossible?>

Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in vargas it> is

ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs> back.Thus there

are contradictions.> Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by

many, happens> when we treat vargas as charts.> If we treat them just as amshas

Rahu and ketu can conjunct as they may> be a particular tattwa falling from

different signs or belonging to> different lords.> (Shri Narasimha said sage

has not given sign tattwas, but only lords!!).> > Now regarding proof of

pudding - As you know, numerous things are> explained with the help of just 12

signs and 9 planets.> I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of

your stature> will be able to explain any given incident from that chart.Can

you> honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.> If we want we

can explain any incident and convince people and> ourselves from any chart

without shattering basics!!.> A planet can give good effects when well placed

in the concerned> vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.> Also i have

seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice versa.> > Also predictive

success alone can never be considered as a gauge for> knowledge and

confirmation.> Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US Elections.Does

that> mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good predictions>

at other times.> Thus prediction depends on different factors and time

periods.> Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam found

it> difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao had a>

different opinion.> > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

Vandya.Agreeing> to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a

Guru> Ninda for me.> This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be

kind if you> or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used as

full> charts.> Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the>

astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.> Western astrologers say

harmonics are never to be considered as> charts,they just shows the aspectual

patterns.> My humble understanding is also the same- They show the tattwas to>

which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer by layer.> And each

layer explains different Koshas for different> matters.Physical,spiritual etc.>

> Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions right from>

navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?> > > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> <chandrashekhar46>

wrote:> > Dear Sarajit,> > Very well said.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Sarajit

Poddar wrote:> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,> > >>

> > > > >> > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts need to >

> > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind its and > > >

the ways to use it before start using it. However, only because > > > someone

is unable to understand the usage of some aspects of a > > > discipline does

not mean that that aspect is incorrect.Moreover, it > > > is not at all about

sophistication as you have mentioned, it isabout > > > the depth of the

discipline. It is expected that someone who is> new to > > > a discipline, only

learns the fundamentals and basics, however when > > > one gets used to the

fundamentals, gets deeper into the subject and > > > this is true with all

subjects and not Jyotish only.> > >> > > > > >> > > The statement that

Shastras do not have sanction of using the > > > divisional charts is of no

ground. If that's so MaharishiParashara, > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja

Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and many > > > authors have not said so many

things in days where the brevity of > > > words and space were of utmost

importance. Whatever the pointit, the > > > bottomline is that, the taste of

the pudding is in eating... try it > > > and then see how useful are they.> >

>> > > > > >> > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to

study > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before using

them.Isn't > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!> > >> >

> > > >> > > Best Wishes> > >> > > Sarajit> > >> > > > > >> > >>

------> > >>

> > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19,

2005 11:15 AM> > > *To:* vedic astrology> > > *Subject:* Re:

[vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: > > > Accident schematic)>

> >> > > > > >> > > namaste,> > >> > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting

it here. The gentleman who> > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not

asked his permission to> > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

variousdivisional> > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to

Mr.pradeep if I> > > am taking too many liberties here.> > >> > > ---> > > This

mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.> > > I think we are

missing the essence. Techniques that ease our> > > calculation are a boon. No

one disagrees. For that reason we use> > > software. But Jyotish is not about

technical sophistication.> > >> > > When we have a door and steps to enter a

house why should we use our> > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage

pipe, at the building> > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

steps) one can> > > try climbing through sewage for a change.> > >> > > But

what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes> > > directly to

sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever> > > professional matters

are to be ascertained, even without knowing how> > > dashamsha is derived. Many

believe dashamsha as a division of the> > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division

of the 9th house. I got private> > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.> >

>> > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but> > >

there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a> > > chart.

Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri> > > Narasimha sage has

not even given the amsha tattwas - just the lords> > > alone!!! - How can we

find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in> > > divisionals, when considering

it as a chart itself is against> > > rules?.> > >> > > If we start stretching

our legs before we sit, we will fall.> > > Unfortunately some techniques are

taking one away from basics. If we> > > have a good foundation, any number of

floors can be erected on top.> > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how

many techniques we> > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

open mind> > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to

accept> > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you and

vice> > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the> > >

right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept> > > anything

blindly.> > >> > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > -----> > >> > >> > > On Fri, 18 Mar

2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > >> Namaste Kartik,> >

>>> > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it> trumps

all> > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it> or

the> > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to>

divisional> > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara

said> to use> > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

pedanticargument> > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to

use> > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a> >

>> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7axis is> > >>

to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are> > >>

adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not> going> > >>

to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but> exalted> > >>

in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the> > >> strengths (

not THE strength).> > >>> > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

connection with> > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and

do not go> > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I

amhappy> > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also

I> have> > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features>

> >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of> > >>

people born on the same day and time and place. This is aconjecture,> > >> go

and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how> > >> many

births tooks place at the same place and same time.> > >>> > >> Talking about

Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is> > >> Krishna, Sun is

Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this theparashar who> > >> was son of vyas ? He

did not say future avataar of budhh, so that> > >> shloka could mean that this

was written at a much later date or> it was> > >> added to the original text at

a later date.He never mentions about> > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic ,

I forget the name,( Hart Defaw> > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic

"When budh is inquadrant> > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

immpossibility.> > >>> > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

deciphering what was> said> > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in

many areas of> jyotish and> > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to

use methods that have> > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be

really surprisedthat> > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

the past.May be> > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these

elaborate charts> made> > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done

Lagna rashi, Moon> > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

client> insisted). In> > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is

not so in the> > >> western part of India.> > >>> > >> Anyway> > >>> > >> ...>

> >>> > >>> > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > > wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Panditji,> > >> > I have a question

(and I do not believe in personalized> > >> > arguements so nothing in what I

will say will have any personal> > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on

rashi charts and not give> much> > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then

would it not be true that a> > >> > large number of people (a relative

terminology) would end up with> > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a

king and the other apauper (> > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about

twins?> > >> > Regards,> > >> > Kartik> > >> >> > >> > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>> > >> >> > >> >

wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Narayan,> > >> > >> > >> > > Looks like you are taking

sides to defend something thathas not> > >> > been> > >> > > attacked. I know

what parashara said in BPHS. He mentionedabout> > >> > > divisions and if you

say it was in vogue since the day of> parashar> > >> > you> > >> > > must be

really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if youjust> > >> > had a> > >> > >

conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional> > >> > came in>

> >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice> with one> >

>> > day> > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off

pagesabout> > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

rashidasha he> > >> > is> > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

divisionalcharts is a> > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and

myintention was> > >> > not> > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand

fathers', as I donot know> > >> > his> > >> > > teachings. What I commented is

based on what I have seen afew on> > >> > the> > >> > > list who say they are

beginners just go on and on about> divisionals> > >> > > and dashas in

divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put> out my> > >> > > opinion for

others to read, they can make their own judgements> > >> > about> > >> > >

whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5> kinds of> > >> > >

dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct> prediction, all> > >> > >

the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approachthat> > >> > has> >

>> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not> > >> >

forcing> > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and

an> > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has beentaught by> >

>> > great> > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.),

why> > >> > should> > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.> > >> > >> >

>> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and> > >> >

inclination I> > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I

feel I> have to> > >> > put> > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the

list to read. Ihave not> > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats

not my style.> But if I> > >> > > have differences of opinion with a

methodology I voice my> opinion.> > >> > Let> > >> > > the members of the list

decide what they want to use. Your> methods> > >> > may> > >> > > be good for

you, why are you threatened if someone puts outthere> > >> > > views on the

subject.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >> > >> > > ...> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer> > >> > >

<narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,> > >> > >

>> > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Namaste,> > >> >

> > >> > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It wouldsurprise

me> > >> > if> > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.> > >> > >

>> > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,> > >>

> idioms,> > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to>

> >> > testing! On> > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

principles> have> > >> > not> > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be

entirely probable that> > >> > these> > >> > > > principles are a "work in

progress", for that matter no> > >> > principles> > >> > > > work 100% and

research is required! It could also be entirely> > >> > > > probable that the

chart could need some rectification. One> > >> > should> > >> > > > have an

open mind. For that matter, even your principles are> > >> > > > subjected to

testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the> > >> > matter,> > >> > > >

then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > To

begin with the divisionals came> > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of

computer programs which made> > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the

precomputer days,bythe time> > >> > one> > >> > > > > calculated all these

accurately and verified, the jatakwould> > >> > have> > >> > > > > been long

gone. So this phenomenon is from the past fewyears> > >> > and I> > >> > > > >

don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even> > >> > > > >

applicability> > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be

one> or two> > >> > > > charts> > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as

they say here in the> great> > >> > cold> > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does

not make a spring".> > >> > > >> > >> > > > For your esteemed information,

Divisionals were in voguesince> > >> > the> > >> > > > days of Parasara,

infact, right at the start, he defined and> > >> > gave> > >> > > > meaninings

to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!Are you> > >> > > > saying that

Maharishis defined it and talked about it so> that we> > >> > can> > >> > > >

pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to> > >> > do???> >

>> > > >> > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths

of> > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt> >

>> > Sanjay> > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ...

you> > >> > would be> > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the

6 levels deep!> > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time,

andhence,> > >> > they> > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of

charts. Most of the> times,> > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.>

> >> > > >> > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict>

themselves to> > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and

they do> rely a> > >> > lot> > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict

ourselves to Rasi &Navamsa,> > >> > we> > >> > > > better hope and pray for

good solid intuition! Oh yes ...> by the> > >> > > > way ... even those who

restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,> > >> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not> > >> > lagna,> > >> > > > then chandra

lagna ... so on and so forth!> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Point is ... serious

minded & honest research is required to> > >> > come up> > >> > > > with

principles and then these should be testedthoroughly. SJC> > >> > is> > >> > >

> in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal> > >> > process> >

>> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming> > >> >

years!> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

spoon feed... he> > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to

whet their> > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds>

CHARACTER!> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > New parameters

are introduced to fit the event which is> > >> > already> > >> > > > known.> >

>> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's> > >> >

death.> > >> > > > For> > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

dwadashansha. Now> > >> > why ? Why> > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in

rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd> > >> > from> > >> > > > 9th> > >> > > > > from

ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does> > >> > not> > >> > > >

find> > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9thin

D-> > >> > 12. It> > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can

cover all 12> > >> > rashis> > >> > > > and I> > >> > > > > am sure the graha

whose dasha you are running at thetime of> > >> > the> > >> > > > known> > >> >

> > > event will be there in one of those.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I am sure,

not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too> must> > >> > > > have

exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao andcome up> > >> > with> > >> >

> > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if> > >> > even>

> >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,without> > >>

> > > beating around the bush!> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >

> My point is ,test priciples on charts you have anddevelop a> > >> > > > >

consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent> > >> > cases.Then> > >>

> > > make> > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on

the> chart> > >> > you> > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are

principles that havebeen> > >> > > > developed> > >> > > > > by peope like KN

Rao, BV Raman, master those first.Trust me> > >> > they> > >> > > > work> > >>

> > > > in majority of cases> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Principles,

should especially be tested on the basis of> > >> > probability,> > >> > > >

like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an eventhappening is> > >> > high> >

>> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,> these> >

>> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they> may be> >

>> > > > statistacally valid!!> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Like explaining, the

chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak> > >> > caused> > >> > > > birth of

siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and atotally> > >> > > > inadequate

research!> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Warm Regards> > >> > > > Narayan> > >> > > >>

> >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005

15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01> > >> > <mtravass@t...>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >

wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >

> > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it showssomething> > >> > else.>

> >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March

1993,)I was> > >> > > > running> > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th

from A4.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident

was in Dec 1996> and I> > >> > was> > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa

of D16.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone

4:00:00 (East of> GMT).> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of

the principles that you stated in> your> > >> > > > email> > >> > > > > >

unless there are others, which can be applied, andyou did> > >> > not> > >> > >

> state.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?> > >> > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > Mike> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > November 14,

1963> > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00> > >> > > > > > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18'

00"> > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India> > >> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.> > >> > Rao"> > >> > > > >

>> > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message

-----> > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > >> > > > > > > To:

> > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005

11:53 PM> > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident>

schematic)> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay

Prabhakaran,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all

Sukha and Hence Cars come> under> > >> > > > this.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas> > >> > (combinations)

in> > >> > > > D16> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be

considered for Cars. Here A4should be> > >> > > > taken in> > >> > > > > >

D16.> > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties> >

>> > > > respectively,> > >> > > > > > in D16 they> > >> > > > > > > >

will show for matters related to cars and other> > >> > sukha.> > >> > > > > >

> > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.> > >> > > > > > > >

Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga'smentioned> > >> > above.> > >> > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential>

> >> > problem> > >> > > > sign.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > My

birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),> > >> > > > Machilipatnam,> >

>> > > > > > India> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular

accident on 5th December 1996 at> 6:30 pm> > >> > > > (EST),> > >> > > > > >

Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was"totalled".> > >> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta> > >> >

antardasa.> > >> > > > In my> > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and

contains 3rd/12th lord> > >> > > > Mercury and> > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the

12th house from A4, showing the lossof a> > >> > > > vehicle.> > >> > > > > >

It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing> > >> > problems in> > >>

> > > > > sukha.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the

three parts of rule of Narayana> > >> > dasa> > >> > > > > > interpretation can

test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a> > >> > > > seershodaya> > >> > > > > >

rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its> > >> > lord> > >> >

> > Venus> > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives

hisresults> > >> > in> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > second one-third. The

last one-third gives the results of> > >> > > > occupants> > >> > > > > > and

aspectors. There are four candidates and they are> Venus,> > >> > > > Rahu,> >

>> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. Wedivide the> > >> >

last> > >> > > > one-> > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

give them tothese> > >> > 4> > >> > > > planets> > >> > > > > > in this order.

The result of Rahu's aspect onmahadasa sign> > >> > is> > >> > > > given> > >>

> > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies> badhaka> > >> >

> > sthana> > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the

sub-> > >> > period> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle

problems. Not only did Ihave> > >> > an> > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996,

but the new car I bought in Jan1997> > >> > > > suffered> > >> > > > > > too.

It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a> > >> > parking> > >> > > >

lot.> > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After>

> >> > these> > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

bought> > >> > another> > >> > > > new> > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All

these are due to the sub-period> giving> > >> > the> > >> > > > > > results of

Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the> > >> > > > antardasa was> > >> >

> > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > As

per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu> antardasa.> > >> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16> had Leo> >

>> > > > rising,> > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

Saturn, Rahu and> > >> > Ketu.> > >> > > > Saturn-> > >> > > > > > Saturn

antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was> > >> > running> > >> > > >

from> > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!> > >> > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes toamaze me!> > >>

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > >> > > > > > >

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all? After

all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and according

to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

best regards

Hari

vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

<sarbani@s...> wrote:

> Dear Vijaydas,

>

> Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not mentioned that

either.

> He has written about it in the same breath as the other divisions.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

> vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

Sarajit

> Poddar

>

> Dear shri Sarajit ji

>

> Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you have

> written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have mentioned

> divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has mentioned

> about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house or

> Rashi'' and its strength.

> Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some significance based on

> the number we use and their physical disposition.

> For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house or

> eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after lagna (younger

> ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be considered as

> houses

> Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a dashamsha.

> After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has to see

> the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.

> The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.

> Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses and

> strength of lords,with care.

>

> "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> divisions of Houses.

> Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay even a step

> forward in the direction of astrology."

>

> Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets as numerous

> planets can have a role for 10th house like owner,aspect,conjunction

> karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too convey the

> same meaning.

>

> Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer to the

> same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.

>

> When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sage

> expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned planets from the

> respective vargas ,before prediction.

>

> If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very clear.

>

> ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly to

> apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might"

> have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

> how to apply them''.

>

> Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation of

> Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional ''charts'' instead

> of Divisions.

>

> I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is not

> helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to divisons of

> houses.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Vijayadas,

> >

> > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them would help

> > others too understanding the topic.

> >

> > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> >

> > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> >

> > Chapter 6:

> > Sloka 2-4:

> > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of Vargas

> > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are Râúi, Horâ,

> > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

Shodashâñú,

> > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,

> Akshavedâñú

> > and Shashtiâñú.

> >

> > Chapter 7:

> > Sloka 1-8:

> > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

co-born from

> > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

> Saptâñú, spouse

> > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

Dvadashâñú,

> > benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

> worship from

> > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and weakness from

> > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

inauspicious

> > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and

> > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through the

> respective

> > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

> diminish; so

> > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

Shodashâñú,

> > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> >

> > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what

> Maharishi

> > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went to the

> > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the Special

> Lagnas.

> > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on describing

> the other

> > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different houses.

What

> > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the subject in

> this order?

> > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to apply the

> > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional charts to

> all the

> > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However, to make it

> > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from the each

> of the

> > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

bhavas etc.

> > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results related

> to that

> > area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly

> to apply

> > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might" have

> expected

> > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how to apply

> them.

> >

> > ***********************

> > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on the

> divisional

> > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To

> highlight

> > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 , where he

says

> > that:

> >

> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> divisions

> > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot

> lay even a

> > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> >

> > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> explaining more

> > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the day/ night

> signs,

> > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he explain the

> > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here also we can

> think

> > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the rasi charts

> but also

> > to the divisional charts.

> >

> > Hope this clears your doubt.

> >

> > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual mapping of the

> Zodiac,

> > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha.

> This is

> > based on the principle that everything in this world follows the

> > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is not the

actual

> > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual zodiac

can be

> > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in D-24

> sign and

> > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if divisions

> are not

> > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under this

> category is

> > given so much of importance.

> >

> > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has given many

> gems on

> > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

etc.

> > which can be studied and seen that the principles are the similar as

> that of

> > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> >

> > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa

usage.

> >

> > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for marriage

> > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> >

> > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails, since he

> is very

> > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as his

silence.

> > Thanks for understanding.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit

> >

> > _____

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> vedic astrology/info.html

> > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

> Sarajit Poddar

> >

> > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> >

> > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared to me.I have

> > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is in

> > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been helping me

> > to grasp the basics over the years).

> >

> > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and suggestions for my

> > son(he was having some stomach related problems and vomiting) helped

> > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> >

> > But you have said, what i wanted to say - Understanding.I have not

> > understood.

> > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory answer

> > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you would be

> > willing to give an explanation.

> > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can use it as a

> > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when astronomically it

> > is impossible?

> > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in vargas it

> > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs

> > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by many, happens

> > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct as they may

> > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or belonging to

> > different lords.

> > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but only

lords!!).

> >

> > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous things are

> > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of your stature

> > will be able to explain any given incident from that chart.Can you

> > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people and

> > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the concerned

> > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice versa.

> >

> > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as a gauge for

> > knowledge and confirmation.

> > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US Elections.Does that

> > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good predictions

> > at other times.

> > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time periods.

> > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam found it

> > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao had a

> > different opinion.

> >

> > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru Vandya.Agreeing

> > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a Guru

> > Ninda for me.

> > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be kind if you

> > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used as full

> > charts.

> > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the

> > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be considered as

> > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the tattwas to

> > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer by layer.

> > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> >

> > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions right from

> > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > Very well said.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > >

> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > > >

> > > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts need to

> > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind

its and

> > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However, only because

> > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some aspects of a

> > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> Moreover, it

> > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have mentioned, it is

> about

> > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone who is

> > new to

> > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however

when

> > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

subject and

> > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > > >

> > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of using the

> > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so Maharishi

> Parashara,

> > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and

many

> > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the brevity of

> > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the point

> it, the

> > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in eating...

try it

> > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > > >

> > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to study

> > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before using them.

> Isn't

> > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Sarajit

> > > >

> >

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> > > >

> > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

(Re:

> > > > Accident schematic)

> > > >

> > > > namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The gentleman who

> > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

permission to

> > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

> divisional

> > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

> pradeep if I

> > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

> > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we use

> > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

> > > >

> > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we

use our

> > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the

building

> > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps) one can

> > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > >

> > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

> > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever

> > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

knowing how

> > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the

> > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

private

> > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > >

> > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but

> > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

> > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the

lords

> > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

> > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

> > > > rules?.

> > > >

> > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics.

If we

> > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on

top.

> > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we

> > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind

> > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to accept

> > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you

and vice

> > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the

> > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> > > > anything blindly.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > -----

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > > >>

> > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

> > trumps all

> > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it

> > or the

> > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

> > divisional

> > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said

> > to use

> > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

> argument

> > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence

is a

> > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7

> axis is

> > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

factors are

> > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not

> > going

> > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

> > exalted

> > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > >>

> > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do

not go

> > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

> happy

> > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I

> > have

> > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

> conjecture,

> > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record

of how

> > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> > > >>

> > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> parashar who

> > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or

> > it was

> > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions

about

> > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart

Defaw

> > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

> quadrant

> > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was

> > said

> > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

> > jyotish and

> > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods

that have

> > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

> that

> > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past.

> May be

> > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts

> > made

> > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> > insisted). In

> > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> > > >> western part of India.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anyway

> > > >>

> > > >> ...

> > > >>

> > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

personalized

> > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give

> > much

> > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true

that a

> > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end

up with

> > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

> pauper (

> > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > >> > Regards,

> > > >> > Kartik

> > > >> >

> > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > wrote:

> > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

> has not

> > > >> > been

> > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

> about

> > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> > parashar

> > > >> > you

> > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

> just

> > > >> > had a

> > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

divisional

> > > >> > came in

> > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice

> > with one

> > > >> > day

> > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

> about

> > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

> dasha he

> > > >> > is

> > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

> charts is a

> > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> intention was

> > > >> > not

> > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do

> not know

> > > >> > his

> > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a

> few on

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> > divisionals

> > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put

> > out my

> > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

judgements

> > > >> > about

> > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

> > kinds of

> > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > prediction, all

> > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

> that

> > > >> > has

> > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > > >> > forcing

> > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion

and an

> > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

> taught by

> > > >> > great

> > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

Raman..etc.), why

> > > >> > should

> > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > > >> > inclination I

> > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

> > have to

> > > >> > put

> > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I

> have not

> > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style.

> > But if I

> > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> > opinion.

> > > >> > Let

> > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> > methods

> > > >> > may

> > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

> there

> > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > ...

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

> surprise me

> > > >> > if

> > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

principles,

> > > >> > idioms,

> > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > > >> > testing! On

> > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

> > have

> > > >> > not

> > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > > >> > these

> > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > > >> > principles

> > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

entirely

> > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > > >> > should

> > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

principles are

> > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

thats the

> > > >> > matter,

> > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs

which made

> > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by

> the time

> > > >> > one

> > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

> would

> > > >> > have

> > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

> years

> > > >> > and I

> > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > >> > > > > applicability

> > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one

> > or two

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

> > great

> > > >> > cold

> > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

> since

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

defined and

> > > >> > gave

> > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!

> Are you

> > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

> > that we

> > > >> > can

> > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing

better to

> > > >> > do???

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather

of Pt

> > > >> > Sanjay

> > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > > >> > would be

> > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

deep!

> > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

> hence,

> > > >> > they

> > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

> > times,

> > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> > themselves to

> > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

> > rely a

> > > >> > lot

> > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

> Navamsa,

> > > >> > we

> > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

> > by the

> > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

Navamsa,

> > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > > >> > lagna,

> > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

required to

> > > >> > come up

> > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> thoroughly. SJC

> > > >> > is

> > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > > >> > process

> > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

coming

> > > >> > years!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed

> ... he

> > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet

their

> > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

> > CHARACTER!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > > >> > already

> > > >> > > > known.

> > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

father's

> > > >> > death.

> > > >> > > > For

> > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > > >> > why ? Why

> > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why

not 2nd

> > > >> > from

> > > >> > > > 9th

> > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if

one does

> > > >> > not

> > > >> > > > find

> > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th

> in D-

> > > >> > 12. It

> > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > > >> > rashis

> > > >> > > > and I

> > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

> time of

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > > > known

> > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

> > must

> > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and

> come up

> > > >> > with

> > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not

sure, if

> > > >> > even

> > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

> without

> > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

> develop a

> > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > > >> > cases.Then

> > > >> > > > make

> > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

> > chart

> > > >> > you

> > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

> been

> > > >> > > > developed

> > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

> Trust me

> > > >> > they

> > > >> > > > work

> > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > > >> > probability,

> > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

> happening is

> > > >> > high

> > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

> > these

> > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

> > may be

> > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

Karak

> > > >> > caused

> > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

> totally

> > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > > >> > > > Narayan

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

> something

> > > >> > else.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,)

> I was

> > > >> > > > running

> > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

> > and I

> > > >> > was

> > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

> > GMT).

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

> > your

> > > >> > > > email

> > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and

> you did

> > > >> > not

> > > >> > > > state.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R.

> > > >> > Rao"

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

> > schematic)

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

> > under

> > > >> > > > this.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > >> > (combinations) in

> > > >> > > > D16

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

> should be

> > > >> > > > taken in

> > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > >> > > > respectively,

> > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and

other

> > > >> > sukha.

> > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

> mentioned

> > > >> > above.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > > >> > problem

> > > >> > > > sign.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > >> > > > > > India

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

> > 6:30 pm

> > > >> > > > (EST),

> > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

> "totalled".

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > > >> > antardasa.

> > > >> > > > In my

> > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

3rd/12th lord

> > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss

> of a

> > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > > >> > problems in

> > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

Narayana

> > > >> > dasa

> > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

one-third. Its

> > > >> > lord

> > > >> > > > Venus

> > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

> results

> > > >> > in

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the

results of

> > > >> > > > occupants

> > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

> > Venus,

> > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

> divide the

> > > >> > last

> > > >> > > > one-

> > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

> these

> > > >> > 4

> > > >> > > > planets

> > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> mahadasa sign

> > > >> > is

> > > >> > > > given

> > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> > badhaka

> > > >> > > > sthana

> > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the

sub-

> > > >> > period

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I

> have

> > > >> > an

> > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

> 1997

> > > >> > > > suffered

> > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> > > >> > parking

> > > >> > > > lot.

> > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

After

> > > >> > these

> > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

bought

> > > >> > another

> > > >> > > > new

> > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

> > giving

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> > antardasa.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16

> > had Leo

> > > >> > > > rising,

> > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn,

Rahu and

> > > >> > Ketu.

> > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari

dasa was

> > > >> > running

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to

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Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get same

results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south indian

or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece of

paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote:

>

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

>

> Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all? After

> all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and according

> to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

> vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Vijaydas,

> >

> > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not mentioned that

> either.

> > He has written about it in the same breath as the other divisions.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> > _____

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

> Sarajit

> > Poddar

> >

> > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you have

> > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have mentioned

> > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has mentioned

> > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house or

> > Rashi'' and its strength.

> > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some significance based on

> > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house or

> > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after lagna (younger

> > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be considered as

> > houses

> > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

dashamsha.

> > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has to see

> > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.

> > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.

> > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses and

> > strength of lords,with care.

> >

> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> > divisions of Houses.

> > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay even a step

> > forward in the direction of astrology."

> >

> > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets as numerous

> > planets can have a role for 10th house like owner,aspect,conjunction

> > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too convey the

> > same meaning.

> >

> > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer to the

> > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.

> >

> > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sage

> > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned planets from the

> > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> >

> > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very clear.

> >

> > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly to

> > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might"

> > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

> > how to apply them''.

> >

> > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation of

> > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional ''charts'' instead

> > of Divisions.

> >

> > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is not

> > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to divisons of

> > houses.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > >

> > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

would help

> > > others too understanding the topic.

> > >

> > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> > >

> > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> > >

> > > Chapter 6:

> > > Sloka 2-4:

> > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of Vargas

> > > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are Râúi,

Horâ,

> > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

> Shodashâñú,

> > > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,

> > Akshavedâñú

> > > and Shashtiâñú.

> > >

> > > Chapter 7:

> > > Sloka 1-8:

> > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

> co-born from

> > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

> > Saptâñú, spouse

> > > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

> Dvadashâñú,

> > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

> > worship from

> > > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and weakness from

> > > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

> inauspicious

> > > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and

> > > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through the

> > respective

> > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

> > diminish; so

> > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

> Shodashâñú,

> > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> > >

> > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what

> > Maharishi

> > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went to the

> > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the Special

> > Lagnas.

> > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on describing

> > the other

> > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different houses.

> What

> > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the subject in

> > this order?

> > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to apply the

> > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional charts to

> > all the

> > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However, to

make it

> > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from the each

> > of the

> > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

> bhavas etc.

> > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results related

> > to that

> > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly

> > to apply

> > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might" have

> > expected

> > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how to apply

> > them.

> > >

> > > ***********************

> > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on the

> > divisional

> > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To

> > highlight

> > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 , where he

> says

> > > that:

> > >

> > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> > divisions

> > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot

> > lay even a

> > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> > >

> > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> > explaining more

> > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the day/ night

> > signs,

> > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he explain the

> > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here also we can

> > think

> > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the rasi charts

> > but also

> > > to the divisional charts.

> > >

> > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> > >

> > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual mapping of the

> > Zodiac,

> > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha.

> > This is

> > > based on the principle that everything in this world follows the

> > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is not the

> actual

> > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual zodiac

> can be

> > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in D-24

> > sign and

> > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if divisions

> > are not

> > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under this

> > category is

> > > given so much of importance.

> > >

> > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has given many

> > gems on

> > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

> etc.

> > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are the similar as

> > that of

> > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> > >

> > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa

> usage.

> > >

> > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for

marriage

> > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> > >

> > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails, since he

> > is very

> > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as his

> silence.

> > > Thanks for understanding.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

> > Sarajit Poddar

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> > >

> > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared to me.I have

> > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is in

> > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

helping me

> > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> > >

> > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and suggestions for my

> > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and vomiting) helped

> > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> > >

> > > But you have said, what i wanted to say - Understanding.I have not

> > > understood.

> > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory answer

> > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you would be

> > > willing to give an explanation.

> > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can use it as a

> > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

astronomically it

> > > is impossible?

> > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

vargas it

> > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs

> > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by many,

happens

> > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct as

they may

> > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or belonging to

> > > different lords.

> > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but only

> lords!!).

> > >

> > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous things are

> > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of your stature

> > > will be able to explain any given incident from that chart.Can you

> > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people and

> > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the concerned

> > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice

versa.

> > >

> > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as a gauge for

> > > knowledge and confirmation.

> > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US Elections.Does that

> > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

predictions

> > > at other times.

> > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time periods.

> > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam

found it

> > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao

had a

> > > different opinion.

> > >

> > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

Vandya.Agreeing

> > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a Guru

> > > Ninda for me.

> > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be kind

if you

> > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used as full

> > > charts.

> > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the

> > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be considered as

> > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the tattwas to

> > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer by layer.

> > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> > >

> > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

right from

> > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > Very well said.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > > > >

> > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts need to

> > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind

> its and

> > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However, only because

> > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some aspects of a

> > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> > Moreover, it

> > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have mentioned, it is

> > about

> > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone who is

> > > new to

> > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however

> when

> > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

> subject and

> > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > > > >

> > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of using the

> > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so Maharishi

> > Parashara,

> > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and

> many

> > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

brevity of

> > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the point

> > it, the

> > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in eating...

> try it

> > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > > > >

> > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to

study

> > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before using them.

> > Isn't

> > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarajit

> > > > >

> > >

> ------

> > > > >

> > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> (Re:

> > > > > Accident schematic)

> > > > >

> > > > > namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

gentleman who

> > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> permission to

> > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

> > divisional

> > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

> > pradeep if I

> > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

> > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason we use

> > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

> > > > >

> > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we

> use our

> > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the

> building

> > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps)

one can

> > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > > >

> > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

> > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever

> > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> knowing how

> > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division

of the

> > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

> private

> > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional matters, but

> > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of it as a

> > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the

> lords

> > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in

> > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

> > > > > rules?.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics.

> If we

> > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on

> top.

> > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we

> > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

open mind

> > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to

accept

> > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you

> and vice

> > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this in the

> > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> > > > > anything blindly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > -----

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

> > > trumps all

> > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it

> > > or the

> > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

> > > divisional

> > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said

> > > to use

> > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

> > argument

> > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence

> is a

> > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7

> > axis is

> > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> factors are

> > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it

is not

> > > going

> > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

> > > exalted

> > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do

> not go

> > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

> > happy

> > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases.

Also I

> > > have

> > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

1000s of

> > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

> > conjecture,

> > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record

> of how

> > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> > parashar who

> > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh,

so that

> > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or

> > > it was

> > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions

> about

> > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart

> Defaw

> > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

> > quadrant

> > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering

what was

> > > said

> > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

> > > jyotish and

> > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods

> that have

> > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

> > that

> > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past.

> > May be

> > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate

charts

> > > made

> > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi,

Moon

> > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> > > insisted). In

> > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> > > > >> western part of India.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyway

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ...

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> personalized

> > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any

personal

> > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and

not give

> > > much

> > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true

> that a

> > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end

> up with

> > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

> > pauper (

> > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > >> > Kartik

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > wrote:

> > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

> > has not

> > > > >> > been

> > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

> > about

> > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> > > parashar

> > > > >> > you

> > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

> > just

> > > > >> > had a

> > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> divisional

> > > > >> > came in

> > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice

> > > with one

> > > > >> > day

> > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

> > about

> > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

> > dasha he

> > > > >> > is

> > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

> > charts is a

> > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > intention was

> > > > >> > not

> > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do

> > not know

> > > > >> > his

> > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a

> > few on

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> > > divisionals

> > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow.

I put

> > > out my

> > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> judgements

> > > > >> > about

> > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

> > > kinds of

> > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > > prediction, all

> > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

> > that

> > > > >> > has

> > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I

am not

> > > > >> > forcing

> > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion

> and an

> > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

> > taught by

> > > > >> > great

> > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> Raman..etc.), why

> > > > >> > should

> > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > > > >> > inclination I

> > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

> > > have to

> > > > >> > put

> > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I

> > have not

> > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style.

> > > But if I

> > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> > > opinion.

> > > > >> > Let

> > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> > > methods

> > > > >> > may

> > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

> > there

> > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > ...

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

> > surprise me

> > > > >> > if

> > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> principles,

> > > > >> > idioms,

> > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > > > >> > testing! On

> > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

principles

> > > have

> > > > >> > not

> > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

probable that

> > > > >> > these

> > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > > > >> > principles

> > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

> entirely

> > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

rectification. One

> > > > >> > should

> > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> principles are

> > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

> thats the

> > > > >> > matter,

> > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs

> which made

> > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by

> > the time

> > > > >> > one

> > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

> > would

> > > > >> > have

> > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

> > years

> > > > >> > and I

> > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or

even

> > > > >> > > > > applicability

> > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one

> > > or two

> > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here

in the

> > > great

> > > > >> > cold

> > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

> > since

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> defined and

> > > > >> > gave

> > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!

> > Are you

> > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

> > > that we

> > > > >> > can

> > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing

> better to

> > > > >> > do???

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

depths of

> > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather

> of Pt

> > > > >> > Sanjay

> > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and

.... you

> > > > >> > would be

> > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

> deep!

> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

> > hence,

> > > > >> > they

> > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

> > > times,

> > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> > > themselves to

> > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

> > > rely a

> > > > >> > lot

> > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

> > Navamsa,

> > > > >> > we

> > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

> > > by the

> > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

> Navamsa,

> > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results,

if not

> > > > >> > lagna,

> > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> required to

> > > > >> > come up

> > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > >> > is

> > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no

formal

> > > > >> > process

> > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

> coming

> > > > >> > years!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed

> > ... he

> > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet

> their

> > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

> > > CHARACTER!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > > > >> > already

> > > > >> > > > known.

> > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

> father's

> > > > >> > death.

> > > > >> > > > For

> > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

dwadashansha. Now

> > > > >> > why ? Why

> > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why

> not 2nd

> > > > >> > from

> > > > >> > > > 9th

> > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if

> one does

> > > > >> > not

> > > > >> > > > find

> > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th

> > in D-

> > > > >> > 12. It

> > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover

all 12

> > > > >> > rashis

> > > > >> > > > and I

> > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

> > time of

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > > known

> > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!!

He too

> > > must

> > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and

> > come up

> > > > >> > with

> > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not

> sure, if

> > > > >> > even

> > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

> > without

> > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

> > develop a

> > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > > > >> > cases.Then

> > > > >> > > > make

> > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based

on the

> > > chart

> > > > >> > you

> > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

> > been

> > > > >> > > > developed

> > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

> > Trust me

> > > > >> > they

> > > > >> > > > work

> > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > > > >> > probability,

> > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

> > happening is

> > > > >> > high

> > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the

event,

> > > these

> > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

> > > may be

> > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

> Karak

> > > > >> > caused

> > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

> > totally

> > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > >> > > > Narayan

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

> > something

> > > > >> > else.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,)

> > I was

> > > > >> > > > running

> > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec

1996

> > > and I

> > > > >> > was

> > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

(East of

> > > GMT).

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

stated in

> > > your

> > > > >> > > > email

> > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and

> > you did

> > > > >> > not

> > > > >> > > > state.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> P.V.R.

> > > > >> > Rao"

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > -

> > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

> > > schematic)

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars

come

> > > under

> > > > >> > > > this.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > > >> > (combinations) in

> > > > >> > > > D16

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

> > should be

> > > > >> > > > taken in

> > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > >> > > > respectively,

> > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and

> other

> > > > >> > sukha.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

> > mentioned

> > > > >> > above.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

potential

> > > > >> > problem

> > > > >> > > > sign.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > >> > > > > > India

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

> > > 6:30 pm

> > > > >> > > > (EST),

> > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

> > "totalled".

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > > > >> > antardasa.

> > > > >> > > > In my

> > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> 3rd/12th lord

> > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss

> > of a

> > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > > > >> > problems in

> > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

> Narayana

> > > > >> > dasa

> > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign

Li is a

> > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> one-third. Its

> > > > >> > lord

> > > > >> > > > Venus

> > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

> > results

> > > > >> > in

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the

> results of

> > > > >> > > > occupants

> > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

> > > Venus,

> > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

> > divide the

> > > > >> > last

> > > > >> > > > one-

> > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

> > these

> > > > >> > 4

> > > > >> > > > planets

> > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> > mahadasa sign

> > > > >> > is

> > > > >> > > > given

> > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> > > badhaka

> > > > >> > > > sthana

> > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the

> sub-

> > > > >> > period

> > > > >> > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I

> > have

> > > > >> > an

> > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

> > 1997

> > > > >> > > > suffered

> > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

parked in a

> > > > >> > parking

> > > > >> > > > lot.

> > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

> After

> > > > >> > these

> > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

> bought

> > > > >> > another

> > > > >> > > > new

> > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

> > > giving

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened

that the

> > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> > > antardasa.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16

> > > had Leo

> > > > >> > > > rising,

> > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn,

> Rahu and

> > > > >> > Ketu.

> > > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari

> dasa was

> > > > >> > running

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to

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There are two kinds of amsha Pradeep. One is repetition of the zodiac based

on Parivritti principle while the other is not so. Some divisions follow the

parivritti while others don’t. Parasara tell us which do and which don't but

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>vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

>Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:09 AM

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

>/Shri Sarajit Poddar

>

>Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

>

>Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get same

>results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south indian

>or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece of

>paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

>

>Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

>principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

>

>Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

>arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

>trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

>

>Thanks

>Pradeep

>

>vedic astrology, "onlyhari"

><onlyhari> wrote:

>>

>> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>>

>> Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

>>

>> Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all? After

>> all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and according

>> to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

>>

>> best regards

>> Hari

>>

>> vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

>> <sarbani@s...> wrote:

>> > Dear Vijaydas,

>> >

>> > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not

>mentioned that

>> either.

>> > He has written about it in the same breath as the other divisions.

>> >

>> > Best regards,

>> >

>> > Sarbani

>> >

>> > _____

>> >

>> > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

>> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

>> > vedic astrology

>> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

>> Sarajit

>> > Poddar

>> >

>> > Dear shri Sarajit ji

>> >

>> > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you have

>> > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have mentioned

>> > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma

>has mentioned

>> > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house or

>> > Rashi'' and its strength.

>> > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some

>significance based on

>> > the number we use and their physical disposition.

>> > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house or

>> > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

>> > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after

>lagna (younger

>> > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

>considered as

>> > houses

>> > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

>dashamsha.

>> > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one

>has to see

>> > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.

>> > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.

>> > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses and

>> > strength of lords,with care.

>> >

>> > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

>> > divisions of Houses.

>> > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay

>even a step

>> > forward in the direction of astrology."

>> >

>> > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets

>as numerous

>> > planets can have a role for 10th house like

>owner,aspect,conjunction

>> > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

>> > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too

>convey the

>> > same meaning.

>> >

>> > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we

>refer to the

>> > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.

>> >

>> > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sage

>> > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned

>planets from the

>> > respective vargas ,before prediction.

>> >

>> > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very clear.

>> >

>> > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly to

>> > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and

>he "might"

>> > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

>demonstrate

>> > how to apply them''.

>> >

>> > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation of

>> > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional

>''charts'' instead

>> > of Divisions.

>> >

>> > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is not

>> > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

>divisons of

>> > houses.

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> > Pradeep

>> >

>> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

>> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

>> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

>> > > Dear Vijayadas,

>> > >

>> > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

>would help

>> > > others too understanding the topic.

>> > >

>> > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

>> > >

>> > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

>> > >

>> > > Chapter 6:

>> > > Sloka 2-4:

>> > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16

>kinds of Vargas

>> > > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are Râúi,

>Horâ,

>> > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

>> Shodashâñú,

>> > > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,

>> > Akshavedâñú

>> > > and Shashtiâñú.

>> > >

>> > > Chapter 7:

>> > > Sloka 1-8:

>> > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

>> co-born from

>> > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

>> > Saptâñú, spouse

>> > > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

>> Dvadashâñú,

>> > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

>> > worship from

>> > > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and

>weakness from

>> > > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

>> inauspicious

>> > > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both

>Akshavedâñú and

>> > > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through the

>> > respective

>> > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

>> > diminish; so

>> > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

>> Shodashâñú,

>> > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

>> > >

>> > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what

>> > Maharishi

>> > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly

>went to the

>> > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and

>the Special

>> > Lagnas.

>> > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on describing

>> > the other

>> > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different houses.

>> What

>> > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the subject in

>> > this order?

>> > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to

>apply the

>> > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional charts to

>> > all the

>> > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However, to

>make it

>> > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen

>from the each

>> > of the

>> > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

>> bhavas etc.

>> > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better

>results related

>> > to that

>> > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer,

>how exactly

>> > to apply

>> > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he

>"might" have

>> > expected

>> > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate

>how to apply

>> > them.

>> > >

>> > > ***********************

>> > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

>> > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on the

>> > divisional

>> > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To

>> > highlight

>> > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12

>, where he

>> says

>> > > that:

>> > >

>> > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

>> > divisions

>> > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot

>> > lay even a

>> > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

>> > >

>> > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

>> > explaining more

>> > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the

>day/ night

>> > signs,

>> > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

>explain the

>> > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

>also we can

>> > think

>> > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the

>rasi charts

>> > but also

>> > > to the divisional charts.

>> > >

>> > > Hope this clears your doubt.

>> > >

>> > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

>mapping of the

>> > Zodiac,

>> > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha.

>> > This is

>> > > based on the principle that everything in this world follows the

>> > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is not the

>> actual

>> > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual zodiac

>> can be

>> > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in D-24

>> > sign and

>> > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover

>if divisions

>> > are not

>> > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under this

>> > category is

>> > > given so much of importance.

>> > >

>> > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has

>given many

>> > gems on

>> > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa,

>Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

>> etc.

>> > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are

>the similar as

>> > that of

>> > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

>> > >

>> > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa

>> usage.

>> > >

>> > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for

>marriage

>> > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

>> > >

>> > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the

>mails, since he

>> > is very

>> > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as his

>> silence.

>> > > Thanks for understanding.

>> > >

>> > > Best Wishes

>> > > Sarajit

>> > >

>> > > _____

>> > >

>> > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

>> > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

>> > > vedic astrology

>> > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

>> > Sarajit Poddar

>> > >

>> > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

>> > >

>> > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared

>to me.I have

>> > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

>> > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is in

>> > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

>helping me

>> > > to grasp the basics over the years).

>> > >

>> > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

>suggestions for my

>> > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and

>vomiting) helped

>> > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

>> > >

>> > > But you have said, what i wanted to say -

>Understanding.I have not

>> > > understood.

>> > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory answer

>> > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you would be

>> > > willing to give an explanation.

>> > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

>> > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can

>use it as a

>> > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

>astronomically it

>> > > is impossible?

>> > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

>vargas it

>> > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs

>> > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

>> > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by many,

>happens

>> > > when we treat vargas as charts.

>> > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct as

>they may

>> > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

>belonging to

>> > > different lords.

>> > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but only

>> lords!!).

>> > >

>> > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous things are

>> > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

>> > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of

>your stature

>> > > will be able to explain any given incident from that

>chart.Can you

>> > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

>> > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people and

>> > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

>> > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the concerned

>> > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

>> > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice

>versa.

>> > >

>> > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as

>a gauge for

>> > > knowledge and confirmation.

>> > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

>Elections.Does that

>> > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

>predictions

>> > > at other times.

>> > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time periods.

>> > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam

>found it

>> > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao

>had a

>> > > different opinion.

>> > >

>> > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

>Vandya.Agreeing

>> > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a Guru

>> > > Ninda for me.

>> > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be kind

>if you

>> > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be

>used as full

>> > > charts.

>> > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the

>> > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

>> > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be considered as

>> > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

>> > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the

>tattwas to

>> > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep

>layer by layer.

>> > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

>> > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

>> > >

>> > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

>right from

>> > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

>> > >

>> > > Thanks

>> > > Pradeep

>> > >

>> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

>> > > > Dear Sarajit,

>> > > > Very well said.

>> > > > Chandrashekhar.

>> > > >

>> > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

>> > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional

>charts need to

>> > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind

>> its and

>> > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However,

>only because

>> > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some

>aspects of a

>> > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

>> > Moreover, it

>> > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have

>mentioned, it is

>> > about

>> > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that

>someone who is

>> > > new to

>> > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and

>basics, however

>> when

>> > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

>> subject and

>> > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of

>using the

>> > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so Maharishi

>> > Parashara,

>> > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and

>> many

>> > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

>brevity of

>> > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the point

>> > it, the

>> > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in eating...

>> try it

>> > > > > and then see how useful are they.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to

>study

>> > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before

>using them.

>> > Isn't

>> > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Best Wishes

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Sarajit

>> > > > >

>> > >

>>

>------------------------------

>---------

>> > > > >

>> > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

>> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

>> > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

>> (Re:

>> > > > > Accident schematic)

>> > > > >

>> > > > > namaste,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

>gentleman who

>> > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

>> permission to

>> > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

>> > divisional

>> > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

>> > pradeep if I

>> > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > ---

>> > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding

>technical points.

>> > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

>> > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

>reason we use

>> > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we

>> use our

>> > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the

>> building

>> > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps)

>one can

>> > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the

>basics and goes

>> > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to

>dashamsha whenever

>> > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

>> knowing how

>> > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division

>of the

>> > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

>> private

>> > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

>matters, but

>> > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the

>usage of it as a

>> > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

>> > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas

>- just the

>> lords

>> > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

>trikonas etc in

>> > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

>> > > > > rules?.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

>> > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away

>from basics.

>> If we

>> > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

>erected on

>> top.

>> > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

>techniques we

>> > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

>open mind

>> > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to

>accept

>> > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you

>> and vice

>> > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see

>this in the

>> > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

>> > > > > anything blindly.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks

>> > > > > Pradeep

>> > > > > -----

>> > > > >

>> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

>> wrote:

>> > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

>> > > trumps all

>> > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

>planets in it

>> > > or the

>> > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

>> > > divisional

>> > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

>parashara said

>> > > to use

>> > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

>> > argument

>> > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

>> > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

>influence

>> is a

>> > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

>divisional 1-7

>> > axis is

>> > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

>> factors are

>> > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it

>is not

>> > > going

>> > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited

>in rashi but

>> > > exalted

>> > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is

>one of the

>> > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

>> > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do

>> not go

>> > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

>habit. I am

>> > happy

>> > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases.

>Also I

>> > > have

>> > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make

>facial features

>> > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

>1000s of

>> > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

>> > conjecture,

>> > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record

>> of how

>> > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he

>says Moon is

>> > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

>> > parashar who

>> > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh,

>so that

>> > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much

>later date or

>> > > it was

>> > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions

>> about

>> > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the

>name,( Hart

>> Defaw

>> > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

>> > quadrant

>> > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering

>what was

>> > > said

>> > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

>> > > jyotish and

>> > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods

>> that have

>> > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be

>really surprised

>> > that

>> > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

>the past.

>> > May be

>> > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate

>charts

>> > > made

>> > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi,

>Moon

>> > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

>> > > insisted). In

>> > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is

>not so in the

>> > > > >> western part of India.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Anyway

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> ...

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

><amoebabhu>

>> > > > > wrote:

>> > > > >> >

>> > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

>> > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

>> personalized

>> > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any

>personal

>> > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and

>not give

>> > > much

>> > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true

>> that a

>> > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end

>> up with

>> > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

>> > pauper (

>> > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

>> > > > >> > Regards,

>> > > > >> > Kartik

>> > > > >> >

>> > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

>> <navagraha@g...>

>> > > > >> >

>> > > > >> > wrote:

>> > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

>> > has not

>> > > > >> > been

>> > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS.

>He mentioned

>> > about

>> > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since

>the day of

>> > > parashar

>> > > > >> > you

>> > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are

>talking as if you

>> > just

>> > > > >> > had a

>> > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

>> divisional

>> > > > >> > came in

>> > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now

>even a novice

>> > > with one

>> > > > >> > day

>> > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can

>write off pages

>> > about

>> > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

>> > dasha he

>> > > > >> > is

>> > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

>> > charts is a

>> > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

>> > intention was

>> > > > >> > not

>> > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do

>> > not know

>> > > > >> > his

>> > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I

>have seen a

>> > few on

>> > > > >> > the

>> > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

>> > > divisionals

>> > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow.

>I put

>> > > out my

>> > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

>> judgements

>> > > > >> > about

>> > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you

>want to use 5

>> > > kinds of

>> > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

>> > > prediction, all

>> > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel

>is a approach

>> > that

>> > > > >> > has

>> > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I

>am not

>> > > > >> > forcing

>> > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion

>> and an

>> > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

>> > taught by

>> > > > >> > great

>> > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

>> Raman..etc.), why

>> > > > >> > should

>> > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

>> > > > >> > inclination I

>> > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing

>so, I feel I

>> > > have to

>> > > > >> > put

>> > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I

>> > have not

>> > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats

>not my style.

>> > > But if I

>> > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology

>I voice my

>> > > opinion.

>> > > > >> > Let

>> > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want

>to use. Your

>> > > methods

>> > > > >> > may

>> > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if

>someone puts out

>> > there

>> > > > >> > > views on the subject.

>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > >> > > Regards

>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > >> > > ...

>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

>> > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

>> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

>> > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

>> > surprise me

>> > > > >> > if

>> > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

>> principles,

>> > > > >> > idioms,

>> > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

>subjected to

>> > > > >> > testing! On

>> > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

>principles

>> > > have

>> > > > >> > not

>> > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

>probable that

>> > > > >> > these

>> > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

>matter no

>> > > > >> > principles

>> > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

>> entirely

>> > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

>rectification. One

>> > > > >> > should

>> > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

>> principles are

>> > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

>> thats the

>> > > > >> > matter,

>> > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

>> > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs

>> which made

>> > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by

>> > the time

>> > > > >> > one

>> > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and

>verified, the jatak

>> > would

>> > > > >> > have

>> > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from

>the past few

>> > years

>> > > > >> > and I

>> > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or

>even

>> > > > >> > > > > applicability

>> > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

>will be one

>> > > or two

>> > > > >> > > > charts

>> > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here

>in the

>> > > great

>> > > > >> > cold

>> > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals

>were in vogue

>> > since

>> > > > >> > the

>> > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

>> defined and

>> > > > >> > gave

>> > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!

>> > Are you

>> > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

>about it so

>> > > that we

>> > > > >> > can

>> > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing

>> better to

>> > > > >> > do???

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

>depths of

>> > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

>grandfather

>> of Pt

>> > > > >> > Sanjay

>> > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and

>... you

>> > > > >> > would be

>> > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is

>the 6 levels

>> deep!

>> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

>time, and

>> > hence,

>> > > > >> > they

>> > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

>Most of the

>> > > times,

>> > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

>> > > themselves to

>> > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

>and they do

>> > > rely a

>> > > > >> > lot

>> > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

>> > Navamsa,

>> > > > >> > we

>> > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid

>intuition! Oh yes ...

>> > > by the

>> > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

>> Navamsa,

>> > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results,

>if not

>> > > > >> > lagna,

>> > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

>> required to

>> > > > >> > come up

>> > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

>> > thoroughly. SJC

>> > > > >> > is

>> > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no

>formal

>> > > > >> > process

>> > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

>> coming

>> > > > >> > years!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

>spoon feed

>> > ... he

>> > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet

>> their

>> > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

>> > > CHARACTER!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the

>event which is

>> > > > >> > already

>> > > > >> > > > known.

>> > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

>> father's

>> > > > >> > death.

>> > > > >> > > > For

>> > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

>dwadashansha. Now

>> > > > >> > why ? Why

>> > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why

>> not 2nd

>> > > > >> > from

>> > > > >> > > > 9th

>> > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if

>> one does

>> > > > >> > not

>> > > > >> > > > find

>> > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

>arudh of 9th

>> > in D-

>> > > > >> > 12. It

>> > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover

>all 12

>> > > > >> > rashis

>> > > > >> > > > and I

>> > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

>> > time of

>> > > > >> > the

>> > > > >> > > > known

>> > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!!

>He too

>> > > must

>> > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath,

>KN Rao and

>> > come up

>> > > > >> > with

>> > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not

>> sure, if

>> > > > >> > even

>> > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of

>predicting events,

>> > without

>> > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

>> > develop a

>> > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast

>75 percent

>> > > > >> > cases.Then

>> > > > >> > > > make

>> > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based

>on the

>> > > chart

>> > > > >> > you

>> > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are

>principles that have

>> > been

>> > > > >> > > > developed

>> > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

>> > Trust me

>> > > > >> > they

>> > > > >> > > > work

>> > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

>> > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on

>the basis of

>> > > > >> > probability,

>> > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

>> > happening is

>> > > > >> > high

>> > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the

>event,

>> > > these

>> > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

>although they

>> > > may be

>> > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting

>chara Bhratri

>> Karak

>> > > > >> > caused

>> > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

>incomplete and a

>> > totally

>> > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

>> > > > >> > > > Narayan

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

>> > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

>> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > wrote:

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

>> > something

>> > > > >> > else.

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

>(March 1993,)

>> > I was

>> > > > >> > > > running

>> > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec

>1996

>> > > and I

>> > > > >> > was

>> > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

>(East of

>> > > GMT).

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

>stated in

>> > > your

>> > > > >> > > > email

>> > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and

>> > you did

>> > > > >> > not

>> > > > >> > > > state.

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > Mike

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

>> > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

>> > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

>> > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

>> > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

>> P.V.R.

>> > > > >> > Rao"

>> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

>> > > > >> > > > > > > -

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

>> > > schematic)

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars

>come

>> > > under

>> > > > >> > > > this.

>> > > > >> > > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

>> > > > >> > (combinations) in

>> > > > >> > > > D16

>> > > > >> > > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

>> > should be

>> > > > >> > > > taken in

>> > > > >> > > > > > D16.

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries

>and anxieties

>> > > > >> > > > respectively,

>> > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and

>> other

>> > > > >> > sukha.

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will

>destroy the car.

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

>> > > > >> > > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

>> > mentioned

>> > > > >> > above.

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

>potential

>> > > > >> > problem

>> > > > >> > > > sign.

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970,

>5:47:13 pm (IST),

>> > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

>> > > > >> > > > > > India

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th

>December 1996 at

>> > > 6:30 pm

>> > > > >> > > > (EST),

>> > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

>> > "totalled".

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this

>happened in Li-Ta

>> > > > >> > antardasa.

>> > > > >> > > > In my

>> > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

>> 3rd/12th lord

>> > > > >> > > > Mercury and

>> > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4,

>showing the loss

>> > of a

>> > > > >> > > > vehicle.

>> > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th

>house, showing

>> > > > >> > problems in

>> > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

>> Narayana

>> > > > >> > dasa

>> > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign

>Li is a

>> > > > >> > > > seershodaya

>> > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

>> one-third. Its

>> > > > >> > lord

>> > > > >> > > > Venus

>> > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

>gives his

>> > results

>> > > > >> > in

>> > > > >> > > > the

>> > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the

>> results of

>> > > > >> > > > occupants

>> > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates

>and they are

>> > > Venus,

>> > > > >> > > > Rahu,

>> > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

>> > divide the

>> > > > >> > last

>> > > > >> > > > one-

>> > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and

>give them to

>> > these

>> > > > >> > 4

>> > > > >> > > > planets

>> > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

>> > mahadasa sign

>> > > > >> > is

>> > > > >> > > > given

>> > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th

>lord, occupies

>> > > badhaka

>> > > > >> > > > sthana

>> > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles

>Libra. So the

>> sub-

>> > > > >> > period

>> > > > >> > > > in

>> > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems.

>Not only did I

>> > have

>> > > > >> > an

>> > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

>bought in Jan

>> > 1997

>> > > > >> > > > suffered

>> > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

>parked in a

>> > > > >> > parking

>> > > > >> > > > lot.

>> > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit

>it twice.

>> After

>> > > > >> > these

>> > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

>> bought

>> > > > >> > another

>> > > > >> > > > new

>> > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to

>the sub-period

>> > > giving

>> > > > >> > the

>> > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened

>that the

>> > > > >> > > > antardasa was

>> > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

>> > > antardasa.

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of

>1996-97, D-16

>> > > had Leo

>> > > > >> > > > rising,

>> > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn,

>> Rahu and

>> > > > >> > Ketu.

>> > > > >> > > > Saturn-

>> > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari

>> dasa was

>> > > > >> > running

>> > > > >> > > > from

>> > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to

>> > amaze me!

>> > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Pradeep,

Please address me simply as Hari. No need for Sri or ji.

I have been following your mails on this topic for quite sometime.

Other persons have acknowledged your questions as *valid*. Yet, this

topic has suddenly become an unceasing quest for you; what happened to

the fine analyses we used to see from you in earlier days? I remember

corresponding with you over some quizzes etc. Now there is only this

unvarying thread from you; is it so important that other facets of

Jyotisa sastra do not deserve a lookin at all? When Sarajit referred

you to Jaimini Upadesa sutras and Deva Keralam, why did you not go

there to take a look and reclarify your position? Instead you have

repeated the same strain again. Have you taken a look at kalachakra

dasa verses by Parasara? The way I see it is that you are stuck at a

particular chapter or topic and refuse to move on; it is not correct

(again my view; you are free to disagree); you should read the whole

book and then other classical references before forming a holistic

view on this topic. For your kind information, cakras are not simply a

drawing tool for visualization/easy depiction. For more on this, you

should consider bowing before Vedavyasa and requesting him to send you

a Guru to guide you in this. I caution you that I am not being

facetious here.

Let me go back to your theme now:

If you maintain that divisionals are not to be visualized as charts,

then I must ask you why alone is the rasi to be visualized as a chart?

It is the first division of the 360 degrees zodiac (why 12 signs, why

not 8 or 14?) and therefore very much a divisional as envisaged by you.

If you say that bhavas are applicable in rasi, I will ask you why

bhavas are not applicable in other divisionals because the rasi is a

divisional just like the others? If you had studied Sarajits quotes

from BPHS regarding sodasavargaadhyayah, you would have noticed that

rasi is listed there first, then hora then drekkana etc.

best regards

Hari

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

>

> Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get same

> results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south indian

> or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece of

> paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

>

> Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

> principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

>

> Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

> arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

> trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

wrote:

> >

> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> >

> > Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

> >

> > Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all? After

> > all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and according

> > to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

> >

> > best regards

> > Hari

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> > <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not mentioned that

> > either.

> > > He has written about it in the same breath as the other divisions.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

> > Sarajit

> > > Poddar

> > >

> > > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you have

> > > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have mentioned

> > > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has

mentioned

> > > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house or

> > > Rashi'' and its strength.

> > > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some significance

based on

> > > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> > > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd house or

> > > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> > > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after lagna

(younger

> > > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

considered as

> > > houses

> > > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

> dashamsha.

> > > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has to see

> > > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding varga.

> > > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly explained.

> > > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses and

> > > strength of lords,with care.

> > >

> > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> > > divisions of Houses.

> > > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay even

a step

> > > forward in the direction of astrology."

> > >

> > > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets as

numerous

> > > planets can have a role for 10th house like owner,aspect,conjunction

> > > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> > > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too convey the

> > > same meaning.

> > >

> > > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer

to the

> > > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are unimportant.

> > >

> > > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from drekkana,sage

> > > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned planets

from the

> > > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> > >

> > > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very clear.

> > >

> > > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly to

> > > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might"

> > > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

demonstrate

> > > how to apply them''.

> > >

> > > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the interpretation of

> > > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional ''charts''

instead

> > > of Divisions.

> > >

> > > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is not

> > > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

divisons of

> > > houses.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > >

> > > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

> would help

> > > > others too understanding the topic.

> > > >

> > > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> > > >

> > > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> > > >

> > > > Chapter 6:

> > > > Sloka 2-4:

> > > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

Vargas

> > > > (Divisions) for each Râúi. Listen to those. The names are Râúi,

> Horâ,

> > > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú, Saptâñú, Navâñú, Dashâñú, Dvadashâñú,

> > Shodashâñú,

> > > > Vimshâñú, Chaturvimshâñú, Saptavimshâñú, Trimshâñú, Khavedâñú,

> > > Akshavedâñú

> > > > and Shashtiâñú.

> > > >

> > > > Chapter 7:

> > > > Sloka 1-8:

> > > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

> > co-born from

> > > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú, sons and grandsons from

> > > Saptâñú, spouse

> > > > from Navâñú, power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

> > Dvadashâñú,

> > > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

> > > worship from

> > > > Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú, strength and weakness from

> > > > Saptavimshâñú, evil effects from Trimshâñú, auspicious and

> > inauspicious

> > > > effects from Khavedâñú and all indications from both

Akshavedâñú and

> > > > Shashtiâñú: these are the considerations to be made through the

> > > respective

> > > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

> > > diminish; so

> > > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

> > Shodashâñú,

> > > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> > > >

> > > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what

> > > Maharishi

> > > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went

to the

> > > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the

Special

> > > Lagnas.

> > > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on describing

> > > the other

> > > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different houses.

> > What

> > > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the subject in

> > > this order?

> > > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to apply the

> > > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional charts to

> > > all the

> > > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However, to

> make it

> > > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from the

each

> > > of the

> > > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

> > bhavas etc.

> > > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results

> > > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how exactly

> > > to apply

> > > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and he "might" have

> > > expected

> > > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how to

apply

> > > them.

> > > >

> > > > ***********************

> > > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information on the

> > > divisional

> > > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To

> > > highlight

> > > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 , where he

> > says

> > > > that:

> > > >

> > > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to the

> > > divisions

> > > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot

> > > lay even a

> > > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> > > >

> > > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> > > explaining more

> > > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the day/

night

> > > signs,

> > > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

explain the

> > > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here also

we can

> > > think

> > > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the rasi

charts

> > > but also

> > > > to the divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual mapping

of the

> > > Zodiac,

> > > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha.

> > > This is

> > > > based on the principle that everything in this world follows the

> > > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is not the

> > actual

> > > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual zodiac

> > can be

> > > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in D-24

> > > sign and

> > > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if

divisions

> > > are not

> > > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under this

> > > category is

> > > > given so much of importance.

> > > >

> > > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has given

many

> > > gems on

> > > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa

> > etc.

> > > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are the

similar as

> > > that of

> > > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> > > >

> > > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa

> > usage.

> > > >

> > > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart for

> marriage

> > > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> > > >

> > > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails,

since he

> > > is very

> > > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as his

> > silence.

> > > > Thanks for understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > > Sarajit

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri

> > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> > > >

> > > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared to me.I

have

> > > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is in

> > > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

> helping me

> > > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> > > >

> > > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and suggestions

for my

> > > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and vomiting)

helped

> > > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> > > >

> > > > But you have said, what i wanted to say - Understanding.I have not

> > > > understood.

> > > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory answer

> > > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you would be

> > > > willing to give an explanation.

> > > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can use it as a

> > > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

> astronomically it

> > > > is impossible?

> > > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

> vargas it

> > > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven signs

> > > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by many,

> happens

> > > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct as

> they may

> > > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

belonging to

> > > > different lords.

> > > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but only

> > lords!!).

> > > >

> > > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous things are

> > > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of your

stature

> > > > will be able to explain any given incident from that chart.Can you

> > > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people and

> > > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the concerned

> > > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and vice

> versa.

> > > >

> > > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as a

gauge for

> > > > knowledge and confirmation.

> > > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US Elections.Does that

> > > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

> predictions

> > > > at other times.

> > > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time periods.

> > > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri Santhanam

> found it

> > > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu Rao

> had a

> > > > different opinion.

> > > >

> > > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

> Vandya.Agreeing

> > > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of a Guru

> > > > Ninda for me.

> > > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be kind

> if you

> > > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used as

full

> > > > charts.

> > > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get the

> > > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be considered as

> > > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the tattwas to

> > > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer by

layer.

> > > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> > > >

> > > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

> right from

> > > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts

need to

> > > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy behind

> > its and

> > > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However, only

because

> > > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some aspects

of a

> > > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> > > Moreover, it

> > > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have mentioned,

it is

> > > about

> > > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone

who is

> > > > new to

> > > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however

> > when

> > > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

> > subject and

> > > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of using the

> > > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so Maharishi

> > > Parashara,

> > > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha Daivagna and

> > many

> > > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

> brevity of

> > > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the point

> > > it, the

> > > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in eating...

> > try it

> > > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell them to

> study

> > > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before using

them.

> > > Isn't

> > > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sarajit

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> > (Re:

> > > > > > Accident schematic)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> gentleman who

> > > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > permission to

> > > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with various

> > > divisional

> > > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

> > > pradeep if I

> > > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points.

> > > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our

> > > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that reason

we use

> > > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical sophistication.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why should we

> > use our

> > > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at the

> > building

> > > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and steps)

> one can

> > > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes

> > > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha

whenever

> > > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> > knowing how

> > > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division

> of the

> > > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got

> > private

> > > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

matters, but

> > > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of

it as a

> > > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per Shri

> > > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the

> > lords

> > > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas

etc in

> > > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against

> > > > > > rules?.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.

> > > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics.

> > If we

> > > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on

> > top.

> > > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

techniques we

> > > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> open mind

> > > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary to

> accept

> > > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from you

> > and vice

> > > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this

in the

> > > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not accept

> > > > > > anything blindly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > -----

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it

> > > > trumps all

> > > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets

in it

> > > > or the

> > > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

> > > > divisional

> > > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

parashara said

> > > > to use

> > > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

> > > argument

> > > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence

> > is a

> > > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7

> > > axis is

> > > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> > factors are

> > > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it

> is not

> > > > going

> > > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in

rashi but

> > > > exalted

> > > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do

> > not go

> > > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

habit. I am

> > > happy

> > > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases.

> Also I

> > > > have

> > > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial

features

> > > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

> 1000s of

> > > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

> > > conjecture,

> > > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical record

> > of how

> > > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says

Moon is

> > > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> > > parashar who

> > > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh,

> so that

> > > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later

date or

> > > > it was

> > > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions

> > about

> > > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart

> > Defaw

> > > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

> > > quadrant

> > > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering

> what was

> > > > said

> > > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of

> > > > jyotish and

> > > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods

> > that have

> > > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really

surprised

> > > that

> > > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past.

> > > May be

> > > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate

> charts

> > > > made

> > > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi,

> Moon

> > > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> > > > insisted). In

> > > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so

in the

> > > > > >> western part of India.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Anyway

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ...

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> > personalized

> > > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any

> personal

> > > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and

> not give

> > > > much

> > > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true

> > that a

> > > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end

> > up with

> > > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

> > > pauper (

> > > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > >> > Kartik

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

> > > has not

> > > > > >> > been

> > > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He

mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> > > > parashar

> > > > > >> > you

> > > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as

if you

> > > just

> > > > > >> > had a

> > > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> > divisional

> > > > > >> > came in

> > > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice

> > > > with one

> > > > > >> > day

> > > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off

pages

> > > about

> > > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi

> > > dasha he

> > > > > >> > is

> > > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional

> > > charts is a

> > > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > > intention was

> > > > > >> > not

> > > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do

> > > not know

> > > > > >> > his

> > > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have

seen a

> > > few on

> > > > > >> > the

> > > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> > > > divisionals

> > > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow.

> I put

> > > > out my

> > > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> > judgements

> > > > > >> > about

> > > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

> > > > kinds of

> > > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > > > prediction, all

> > > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a

approach

> > > that

> > > > > >> > has

> > > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I

> am not

> > > > > >> > forcing

> > > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion

> > and an

> > > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been

> > > taught by

> > > > > >> > great

> > > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > Raman..etc.), why

> > > > > >> > should

> > > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > > > > >> > inclination I

> > > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I

feel I

> > > > have to

> > > > > >> > put

> > > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I

> > > have not

> > > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my

style.

> > > > But if I

> > > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> > > > opinion.

> > > > > >> > Let

> > > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use.

Your

> > > > methods

> > > > > >> > may

> > > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone

puts out

> > > there

> > > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > ...

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

> > > surprise me

> > > > > >> > if

> > > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> > principles,

> > > > > >> > idioms,

> > > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

subjected to

> > > > > >> > testing! On

> > > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> principles

> > > > have

> > > > > >> > not

> > > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> probable that

> > > > > >> > these

> > > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > > > > >> > principles

> > > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

> > entirely

> > > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

> rectification. One

> > > > > >> > should

> > > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > principles are

> > > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If

> > thats the

> > > > > >> > matter,

> > > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs

> > which made

> > > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by

> > > the time

> > > > > >> > one

> > > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the

jatak

> > > would

> > > > > >> > have

> > > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the

past few

> > > years

> > > > > >> > and I

> > > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or

> even

> > > > > >> > > > > applicability

> > > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will

be one

> > > > or two

> > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here

> in the

> > > > great

> > > > > >> > cold

> > > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in

vogue

> > > since

> > > > > >> > the

> > > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> > defined and

> > > > > >> > gave

> > > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa!

> > > Are you

> > > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about

it so

> > > > that we

> > > > > >> > can

> > > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing

> > better to

> > > > > >> > do???

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> depths of

> > > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather

> > of Pt

> > > > > >> > Sanjay

> > > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and

> ... you

> > > > > >> > would be

> > > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

> > deep!

> > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

> > > hence,

> > > > > >> > they

> > > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most

of the

> > > > times,

> > > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> > > > themselves to

> > > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and

they do

> > > > rely a

> > > > > >> > lot

> > > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > >> > we

> > > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh

yes ...

> > > > by the

> > > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

> > Navamsa,

> > > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results,

> if not

> > > > > >> > lagna,

> > > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> > required to

> > > > > >> > come up

> > > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > > >> > is

> > > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no

> formal

> > > > > >> > process

> > > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

> > coming

> > > > > >> > years!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon

feed

> > > ... he

> > > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet

> > their

> > > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

> > > > CHARACTER!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event

which is

> > > > > >> > already

> > > > > >> > > > known.

> > > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of

> > father's

> > > > > >> > death.

> > > > > >> > > > For

> > > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> dwadashansha. Now

> > > > > >> > why ? Why

> > > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why

> > not 2nd

> > > > > >> > from

> > > > > >> > > > 9th

> > > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if

> > one does

> > > > > >> > not

> > > > > >> > > > find

> > > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh

of 9th

> > > in D-

> > > > > >> > 12. It

> > > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover

> all 12

> > > > > >> > rashis

> > > > > >> > > > and I

> > > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the

> > > time of

> > > > > >> > the

> > > > > >> > > > known

> > > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!!

> He too

> > > > must

> > > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and

> > > come up

> > > > > >> > with

> > > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not

> > sure, if

> > > > > >> > even

> > > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

> > > without

> > > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and

> > > develop a

> > > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > > > > >> > cases.Then

> > > > > >> > > > make

> > > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based

> on the

> > > > chart

> > > > > >> > you

> > > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles

that have

> > > been

> > > > > >> > > > developed

> > > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first.

> > > Trust me

> > > > > >> > they

> > > > > >> > > > work

> > > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > > > > >> > probability,

> > > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event

> > > happening is

> > > > > >> > high

> > > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the

> event,

> > > > these

> > > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

although they

> > > > may be

> > > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

> > Karak

> > > > > >> > caused

> > > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

> > > totally

> > > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > >> > > > Narayan

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

> > > something

> > > > > >> > else.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March

1993,)

> > > I was

> > > > > >> > > > running

> > > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec

> 1996

> > > > and I

> > > > > >> > was

> > > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

> (East of

> > > > GMT).

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

> stated in

> > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > email

> > > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and

> > > you did

> > > > > >> > not

> > > > > >> > > > state.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> > P.V.R.

> > > > > >> > Rao"

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

> > > > schematic)

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars

> come

> > > > under

> > > > > >> > > > this.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > > > >> > (combinations) in

> > > > > >> > > > D16

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4

> > > should be

> > > > > >> > > > taken in

> > > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and

anxieties

> > > > > >> > > > respectively,

> > > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and

> > other

> > > > > >> > sukha.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

> > > mentioned

> > > > > >> > above.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> potential

> > > > > >> > problem

> > > > > >> > > > sign.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm

(IST),

> > > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > >> > > > > > India

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December

1996 at

> > > > 6:30 pm

> > > > > >> > > > (EST),

> > > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was

> > > "totalled".

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > > > > >> > antardasa.

> > > > > >> > > > In my

> > > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> > 3rd/12th lord

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing

the loss

> > > of a

> > > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house,

showing

> > > > > >> > problems in

> > > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of

> > Narayana

> > > > > >> > dasa

> > > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign

> Li is a

> > > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> > one-third. Its

> > > > > >> > lord

> > > > > >> > > > Venus

> > > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

> > > results

> > > > > >> > in

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the

> > results of

> > > > > >> > > > occupants

> > > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and

they are

> > > > Venus,

> > > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We

> > > divide the

> > > > > >> > last

> > > > > >> > > > one-

> > > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give

them to

> > > these

> > > > > >> > 4

> > > > > >> > > > planets

> > > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> > > mahadasa sign

> > > > > >> > is

> > > > > >> > > > given

> > > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord,

occupies

> > > > badhaka

> > > > > >> > > > sthana

> > > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the

> > sub-

> > > > > >> > period

> > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only

did I

> > > have

> > > > > >> > an

> > > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought

in Jan

> > > 1997

> > > > > >> > > > suffered

> > > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> parked in a

> > > > > >> > parking

> > > > > >> > > > lot.

> > > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

> > After

> > > > > >> > these

> > > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and

> > bought

> > > > > >> > another

> > > > > >> > > > new

> > > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the

sub-period

> > > > giving

> > > > > >> > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened

> that the

> > > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> > > > antardasa.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97,

D-16

> > > > had Leo

> > > > > >> > > > rising,

> > > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn,

> > Rahu and

> > > > > >> > Ketu.

> > > > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari

> > dasa was

> > > > > >> > running

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to

> > > amaze me!

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > --------------------------

> > > > > >> > ----

> > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > >> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > >> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > >> > > > > > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > --------------------------

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Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Hari,

Very good questions indeed, that is why I do not participate

in these discussions, instead use that time in learning and

helping some one.

Also I am not that knowledgable to debate with these

advanced souls who are repeatedly asking same questions

even the tips/answers/hints given by our Gurus.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

wrote:

>

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Please address me simply as Hari. No need for Sri or ji.

>

> I have been following your mails on this topic for quite sometime.

> Other persons have acknowledged your questions as *valid*. Yet, this

> topic has suddenly become an unceasing quest for you; what happened

to

> the fine analyses we used to see from you in earlier days? I

remember

> corresponding with you over some quizzes etc. Now there is only this

> unvarying thread from you; is it so important that other facets of

> Jyotisa sastra do not deserve a lookin at all? When Sarajit referred

> you to Jaimini Upadesa sutras and Deva Keralam, why did you not go

> there to take a look and reclarify your position? Instead you have

> repeated the same strain again. Have you taken a look at kalachakra

> dasa verses by Parasara? The way I see it is that you are stuck at a

> particular chapter or topic and refuse to move on; it is not correct

> (again my view; you are free to disagree); you should read the whole

> book and then other classical references before forming a holistic

> view on this topic. For your kind information, cakras are not

simply a

> drawing tool for visualization/easy depiction. For more on this, you

> should consider bowing before Vedavyasa and requesting him to send

you

> a Guru to guide you in this. I caution you that I am not being

> facetious here.

>

> Let me go back to your theme now:

>

> If you maintain that divisionals are not to be visualized as charts,

> then I must ask you why alone is the rasi to be visualized as a

chart?

> It is the first division of the 360 degrees zodiac (why 12 signs,

why

> not 8 or 14?) and therefore very much a divisional as envisaged by

you.

>

> If you say that bhavas are applicable in rasi, I will ask you why

> bhavas are not applicable in other divisionals because the rasi is a

> divisional just like the others? If you had studied Sarajits quotes

> from BPHS regarding sodasavargaadhyayah, you would have noticed that

> rasi is listed there first, then hora then drekkana etc.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ms.Sarbani and shri Hari

> >

> > Drawing is symbolic and for convenience.Otherwise we will not get

same

> > results,irrespective of the style we have chosen -Bengali,south

indian

> > or north indian:-).We can either write down the rashis on a piece

of

> > paper,top to bottom or as a chakra.

> >

> > Thus when we say a chart we mean application of normal zodiacal

> > principles - bhavas,aspects etc.

> >

> > Thus there are contradictory views regarding amshas.Whether when

> > arranged together,they can represent zodiac in order or not.I am

> > trying to get my doubts cleared through this exercise.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> > >

> > > Dear Sarbani & Vijaydas Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Lets take it one step further; why draw the rasi chart at all?

After

> > > all, it is the first divisional chart to be considered and

according

> > > to the terminology of Sri K.N. Rao, it is D-1.

> > >

> > > best regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

> > > <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Vijaydas,

> > > >

> > > > Then why do draw the Navamsha chart? Parasara has not

mentioned that

> > > either.

> > > > He has written about it in the same breath as the other

divisions.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:23 PM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

dasa /Shri

> > > Sarajit

> > > > Poddar

> > > >

> > > > Dear shri Sarajit ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your time and space.Unfortunately what you

have

> > > > written has been discussed umpteen times.Though you have

mentioned

> > > > divisional ''charts'',neither Prashara nor Kalyan Varma has

> mentioned

> > > > about any charts.It is clearly written divisions of a ''house

or

> > > > Rashi'' and its strength.

> > > > Houses are part of Rashi chart as they have some significance

> based on

> > > > the number we use and their physical disposition.

> > > > For example when we use the number 3 it can be either 3rd

house or

> > > > eleventh house and both signify siblings.

> > > > One is before lagna (elder ones) and the next is after lagna

> (younger

> > > > ones).Here these rashis are actually 3rd and thus can be

> considered as

> > > > houses

> > > > Vargas are amshas within any house.one tenth of any sign is a

> > dashamsha.

> > > > After ascertaining a relevant matter from a horoscope one has

to see

> > > > the strength of that planet/planets in the corresponding

varga.

> > > > The sage only expects us to do this and he has clearly

explained.

> > > > Pls see the quote from your mail - read divisions of houses

and

> > > > strength of lords,with care.

> > > >

> > > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according to

the

> > > > divisions of Houses.

> > > > Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one cannot lay

even

> a step

> > > > forward in the direction of astrology."

> > > >

> > > > Thus dash ''amsha'' of our relevant planets(i said planets as

> numerous

> > > > planets can have a role for 10th house like

owner,aspect,conjunction

> > > > karaka etc) from rashi related to 10th house has to be

> > > > ascertained.Vaisheshikamshas and Vimshopaka strengths too

convey the

> > > > same meaning.

> > > >

> > > > Whether we use the word zooming or aspectual patterns we refer

> to the

> > > > same but not any houses.I have never said amshas are

unimportant.

> > > >

> > > > When we say physique from lagna and co-borns from

drekkana,sage

> > > > expects us to evaluate the strength of the concerned planets

> from the

> > > > respective vargas ,before prediction.

> > > >

> > > > If we read kalyana varmas shloka from your mail, it is very

clear.

> > > >

> > > > ''However, though the intention is little clearer, how

exactly to

> > > > apply the principles in the divisional charts is not and

he "might"

> > > > have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge would

> demonstrate

> > > > how to apply them''.

> > > >

> > > > Thus as per your above quote it is clear that the

interpretation of

> > > > Guru on how to use ,that has brought, in divisional ''charts''

> instead

> > > > of Divisions.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know who is right.But the quotes you have given is

not

> > > > helpful in clearing doubts as as they are only pointing to

> divisons of

> > > > houses.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > > > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have raised some pertinent questions and answering them

> > would help

> > > > > others too understanding the topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are the references of the use of divisional charts:

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter 6:

> > > > > Sloka 2-4:

> > > > > Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds

of

> Vargas

âº©,

> > Horâ¬Š> > > > > Dreshkan, Chaturthâ±º, Saptâ±º, Navâ±º, Dashâ±º, Dvadashâ±º,

> > > Shodashâ±º,

> > > > > Vimshâ±º, Chaturvimshâ±º, Saptavimshâ±º, Trimshâ±º, Khavedâ±º,

> > > > Akshavedâ±º

> > > > > and Shashtiâ±º.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter 7:

> > > > > Sloka 1-8:

> > > > > The physique from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

> > > co-born from

> > > > > Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâ±º, sons and grandsons from

> > > > Saptâ±º, spouse

> > > > > from Navâ±º, power (and position) from Dashâ±º, parents from

> > > Dvadashâ±º,

> > > > > benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâ±º,

> > > > worship from

> > > > > Vimshâ±º, learning from Chaturvimshâ±º, strength and weakness

from

> > > > > Saptavimshâ±º, evil effects from Trimshâ±º, auspicious and

> > > inauspicious

> > > > > effects from Khavedâ±º and all indications from both

> Akshavedâ±º and

> > > > > Shashtiâ±º: these are the considerations to be made through

the

> > > > respective

> > > > > Vargas. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâ±º, will

> > > > diminish; so

> > > > > say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose Lord is in a benefic

> > > Shodashâ±º,

> > > > > flourish. This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

> > > > >

> > > > > While one reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in

reading what

> > > > Maharishi

> > > > > Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went

> to the

> > > > > divisional charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the

> Special

> > > > Lagnas.

> > > > > Only after explaining the divisional charts he went on

describing

> > > > the other

> > > > > things such as effects of bhava and judgment of different

houses.

> > > What

> > > > > could be the intention of Maharishi in presenting the

subject in

> > > > this order?

> > > > > Only thing which we can make out is that he wanted us to

apply the

> > > > > principles he mentioned after explaining the divisional

charts to

> > > > all the

> > > > > divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts. However,

to

> > make it

> > > > > clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from

the

> each

> > > > of the

> > > > > divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for

> > > bhavas etc.

> > > > > after the divisional charts we can arrive at better results

> related

> > > > to that

> > > > > area. However, though the intention is little clearer, how

exactly

> > > > to apply

> > > > > the principles in the divisional charts is not and

he "might" have

> > > > expected

> > > > > that the guru imparting the knowledge would demonstrate how

to

> apply

> > > > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > ***********************

> > > > > Lets take another great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

> > > > > Saravali went ahead one more step and gave the information

on the

> > > > divisional

> > > > > charts in the 3rd chapter itself on the description of

Rasi. To

> > > > highlight

> > > > > the importance of the Divisions he says in the sloka 12 ,

where he

> > > says

> > > > > that:

> > > > >

> > > > > "The effects of a horoscope should be predicted according

to the

> > > > divisions

> > > > > of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such Lords, one

cannot

> > > > lay even a

> > > > > step forward in the direction of astrology."

> > > > >

> > > > > Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

> > > > explaining more

> > > > > characteristics of the rasis such as the directions, the

day/

> night

> > > > signs,

> > > > > strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now why did he

> explain the

> > > > > divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here

also

> we can

> > > > think

> > > > > that the explanation need not only be applicable to the rasi

> charts

> > > > but also

> > > > > to the divisional charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this clears your doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

mapping

> of the

> > > > Zodiac,

> > > > > but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the

Kalapurusha.

> > > > This is

> > > > > based on the principle that everything in this world

follows the

> > > > > Kalapurusha, the supreme governor of time. Since this is

not the

> > > actual

> > > > > mapping of the zodiac, the principles applicable to actual

zodiac

> > > can be

> > > > > violated, such as Nodes can be in one signs also such as in

D-24

> > > > sign and

> > > > > few other. I do not see any problem with that. Moreover if

> divisions

> > > > are not

> > > > > to be used, then why only Navamsa which also falls under

this

> > > > category is

> > > > > given so much of importance.

> > > > >

> > > > > In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras has

given

> many

> > > > gems on

> > > > > Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa, Shastamsa, Trimsamsa,

Rudramsa

> > > etc.

> > > > > which can be studied and seen that the principles are the

> similar as

> > > > that of

> > > > > Rasi chart, however applied to a very specific area.

> > > > >

> > > > > You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on

Navamsa

> > > usage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart

for

> > marriage

> > > > > purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails,

> since he

> > > > is very

> > > > > busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as

his

> > > silence.

> > > > > Thanks for understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > Sarajit

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> > > > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27 PM

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana

dasa /Shri

> > > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected members.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as compared to

me.I

> have

> > > > > not even gained 20% of the basics.

> > > > > Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great respect is

in

> > > > > agreement with your view.(his postings in the list has been

> > helping me

> > > > > to grasp the basics over the years).

> > > > >

> > > > > With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

suggestions

> for my

> > > > > son(he was having some stomach related problems and

vomiting)

> helped

> > > > > in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

> > > > >

> > > > > But you have said, what i wanted to say - Understanding.I

have not

> > > > > understood.

> > > > > I have been writing all these mails to get a satisfactory

answer

> > > > > regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any of you

would be

> > > > > willing to give an explanation.

> > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

> > > > > If you have understood could you kindly say why we can use

it as a

> > > > > chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and when

> > astronomically it

> > > > > is impossible?

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! - Some says in

> > vargas it

> > > > > is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu seven

signs

> > > > > back.Thus there are contradictions.

> > > > > Also other astronomical impossibilities as explained by

many,

> > happens

> > > > > when we treat vargas as charts.

> > > > > If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can conjunct

as

> > they may

> > > > > be a particular tattwa falling from different signs or

> belonging to

> > > > > different lords.

> > > > > (Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign tattwas, but

only

> > > lords!!).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know, numerous

things are

> > > > > explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9 planets.

> > > > > I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an astrologer of your

> stature

> > > > > will be able to explain any given incident from that

chart.Can you

> > > > > honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried away.

> > > > > If we want we can explain any incident and convince people

and

> > > > > ourselves from any chart without shattering basics!!.

> > > > > A planet can give good effects when well placed in the

concerned

> > > > > vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

> > > > > Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor results and

vice

> > versa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also predictive success alone can never be considered as a

> gauge for

> > > > > knowledge and confirmation.

> > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

Elections.Does that

> > > > > mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done many good

> > predictions

> > > > > at other times.

> > > > > Thus prediction depends on different factors and time

periods.

> > > > > Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late shri

Santhanam

> > found it

> > > > > difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did D.v.Subbu

Rao

> > had a

> > > > > different opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is Guru

> > Vandya.Agreeing

> > > > > to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is more of

a Guru

> > > > > Ninda for me.

> > > > > This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It will be

kind

> > if you

> > > > > or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it can be used

as

> full

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be happy to get

the

> > > > > astronomical reasoning from the ancestors/parampara.

> > > > > Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

considered as

> > > > > charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

> > > > > My humble understanding is also the same- They show the

tattwas to

> > > > > which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go deep layer

by

> layer.

> > > > > And each layer explains different Koshas for different

> > > > > matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the divisions

> > right from

> > > > > navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sarajit Poddar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > > > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you say that the person using the divisional charts

> need to

> > > > > > > understand the erection of the chart, the philosophy

behind

> > > its and

> > > > > > > the ways to use it before start using it. However, only

> because

> > > > > > > someone is unable to understand the usage of some

aspects

> of a

> > > > > > > discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect.

> > > > Moreover, it

> > > > > > > is not at all about sophistication as you have

mentioned,

> it is

> > > > about

> > > > > > > the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone

> who is

> > > > > new to

> > > > > > > a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics,

however

> > > when

> > > > > > > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the

> > > subject and

> > > > > > > this is true with all subjects and not Jyotish only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The statement that Shastras do not have sanction of

using the

> > > > > > > divisional charts is of no ground. If that's so

Maharishi

> > > > Parashara,

> > > > > > > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha

Daivagna and

> > > many

> > > > > > > authors have not said so many things in days where the

> > brevity of

> > > > > > > words and space were of utmost importance. Whatever the

point

> > > > it, the

> > > > > > > bottomline is that, the taste of the pudding is in

eating...

> > > try it

> > > > > > > and then see how useful are they.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If were to make appeals to the beginners, then tell

them to

> > study

> > > > > > > authentic sources and understand it properly before

using

> them.

> > > > Isn't

> > > > > > > it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sarajit

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> --

----

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > > > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15 AM

> > > > > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa

Narayana dasa

> > > (Re:

> > > > > > > Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

> > gentleman who

> > > > > > > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

> > > permission to

> > > > > > > post it here but I thought this is in context with

various

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to

Mr.

> > > > pradeep if I

> > > > > > > am taking too many liberties here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > This mail only address my concerns regarding technical

points.

> > > > > > > I think we are missing the essence. Techniques that

ease our

> > > > > > > calculation are a boon. No one disagrees. For that

reason

> we use

> > > > > > > software. But Jyotish is not about technical

sophistication.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When we have a door and steps to enter a house why

should we

> > > use our

> > > > > > > acrobatic skills and climb through the sewage pipe, at

the

> > > building

> > > > > > > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of door and

steps)

> > one can

> > > > > > > try climbing through sewage for a change.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics

and goes

> > > > > > > directly to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha

> whenever

> > > > > > > professional matters are to be ascertained, even without

> > > knowing how

> > > > > > > dashamsha is derived. Many believe dashamsha as a

division

> > of the

> > > > > > > 10th house & Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I

got

> > > private

> > > > > > > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for professional

> matters, but

> > > > > > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the usage of

> it as a

> > > > > > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per

Shri

> > > > > > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas -

just the

> > > lords

> > > > > > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

trikonas

> etc in

> > > > > > > divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is

against

> > > > > > > rules?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will

fall.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from

basics.

> > > If we

> > > > > > > have a good foundation, any number of floors can be

erected on

> > > top.

> > > > > > > If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many

> techniques we

> > > > > > > have, the structures can only collapse. One can keep and

> > open mind

> > > > > > > and pick the good from all sources. It is not necessary

to

> > accept

> > > > > > > all from one place and leave the rest. I can learn from

you

> > > and vice

> > > > > > > versa may be one of the best approaches. Please see this

> in the

> > > > > > > right spirit. I respect knowledge from all,but do not

accept

> > > > > > > anything blindly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500, Panditji

<navagraha@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> Namaste Kartik,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi

and it

> > > > > trumps all

> > > > > > >> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and

planets

> in it

> > > > > or the

> > > > > > >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go

jumping to

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > > >> and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say

> parashara said

> > > > > to use

> > > > > > >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into

pedantic

> > > > argument

> > > > > > >> about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said

to use

> > > > > > >> divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional

influence

> > > is a

> > > > > > >> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So

divisional 1-7

> > > > axis is

> > > > > > >> to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary

> > > factors are

> > > > > > >> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is

it

> > is not

> > > > > going

> > > > > > >> to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in

> rashi but

> > > > > exalted

> > > > > > >> in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one

of the

> > > > > > >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Now about twins, every one talks about it in

connection with

> > > > > > >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception

and do

> > > not go

> > > > > > >> formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous

> habit. I am

> > > > happy

> > > > > > >> if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the

cases.

> > Also I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > >> seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial

> features

> > > > > > >> different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or

> > 1000s of

> > > > > > >> people born on the same day and time and place. This

is a

> > > > conjecture,

> > > > > > >> go and find hospital records and show me statistical

record

> > > of how

> > > > > > >> many births tooks place at the same place and same

time.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says

> Moon is

> > > > > > >> Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the

> > > > parashar who

> > > > > > >> was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of

budhh,

> > so that

> > > > > > >> shloka could mean that this was written at a much later

> date or

> > > > > it was

> > > > > > >> added to the original text at a later date.He never

mentions

> > > about

> > > > > > >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,

( Hart

> > > Defaw

> > > > > > >> mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh

is in

> > > > quadrant

> > > > > > >> from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical

immpossibility.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Anyway the point is one has to be careful in

deciphering

> > what was

> > > > > said

> > > > > > >> in ancient texts. There are controversies in many

areas of

> > > > > jyotish and

> > > > > > >> in interpretation of classics. My point is to use

methods

> > > that have

> > > > > > >> been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really

> surprised

> > > > that

> > > > > > >> people have calculated so many divisional charts in

the past.

> > > > May be

> > > > > > >> for well to do who could pay money to have these

elaborate

> > charts

> > > > > made

> > > > > > >> precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna

rashi,

> > Moon

> > > > > > >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a

client

> > > > > insisted). In

> > > > > > >> the north or may be south it was customary. it is not

so

> in the

> > > > > > >> western part of India.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Anyway

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> ...

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu

> <amoebabhu>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear Panditji,

> > > > > > >> > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> > > personalized

> > > > > > >> > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have

any

> > personal

> > > > > > >> > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts

and

> > not give

> > > > > much

> > > > > > >> > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not

be true

> > > that a

> > > > > > >> > large number of people (a relative terminology)

would end

> > > up with

> > > > > > >> > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the

other a

> > > > pauper (

> > > > > > >> > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > Kartik

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > vedic astrology, Panditji

> > > <navagraha@g...>

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend

something that

> > > > has not

> > > > > > >> > been

> > > > > > >> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He

> mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > >> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the

day of

> > > > > parashar

> > > > > > >> > you

> > > > > > >> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking

as

> if you

> > > > just

> > > > > > >> > had a

> > > > > > >> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that

> > > divisional

> > > > > > >> > came in

> > > > > > >> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a

novice

> > > > > with one

> > > > > > >> > day

> > > > > > >> > > of training or less can put them up and can write

off

> pages

> > > > about

> > > > > > >> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what

rashi

> > > > dasha he

> > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > >> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in

divisional

> > > > charts is a

> > > > > > >> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my

> > > > intention was

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers',

as I do

> > > > not know

> > > > > > >> > his

> > > > > > >> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have

> seen a

> > > > few on

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on

about

> > > > > divisionals

> > > > > > >> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no

tomorrow.

> > I put

> > > > > out my

> > > > > > >> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own

> > > judgements

> > > > > > >> > about

> > > > > > >> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want

to use 5

> > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> > > > > prediction, all

> > > > > > >> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a

> approach

> > > > that

> > > > > > >> > has

> > > > > > >> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those

methods. I

> > am not

> > > > > > >> > forcing

> > > > > > >> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an

opinion

> > > and an

> > > > > > >> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has

been

> > > > taught by

> > > > > > >> > great

> > > > > > >> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

> > > Raman..etc.), why

> > > > > > >> > should

> > > > > > >> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have

time and

> > > > > > >> > inclination I

> > > > > > >> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I

> feel I

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > >> > put

> > > > > > >> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to

read. I

> > > > have not

> > > > > > >> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my

> style.

> > > > > But if I

> > > > > > >> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I

voice my

> > > > > opinion.

> > > > > > >> > Let

> > > > > > >> > > the members of the list decide what they want to

use.

> Your

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > >> > may

> > > > > > >> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone

> puts out

> > > > there

> > > > > > >> > > views on the subject.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > ...

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > > > >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It

would

> > > > surprise me

> > > > > > >> > if

> > > > > > >> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always

> > > principles,

> > > > > > >> > idioms,

> > > > > > >> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be

> subjected to

> > > > > > >> > testing! On

> > > > > > >> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> > principles

> > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely

> > probable that

> > > > > > >> > these

> > > > > > >> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that

matter no

> > > > > > >> > principles

> > > > > > >> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could

also be

> > > entirely

> > > > > > >> > > > probable that the chart could need some

> > rectification. One

> > > > > > >> > should

> > > > > > >> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your

> > > principles are

> > > > > > >> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon!

If

> > > thats the

> > > > > > >> > matter,

> > > > > > >> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > >> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer

programs

> > > which made

> > > > > > >> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer

days,by

> > > > the time

> > > > > > >> > one

> > > > > > >> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified,

the

> jatak

> > > > would

> > > > > > >> > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the

> past few

> > > > years

> > > > > > >> > and I

> > > > > > >> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

applicability or

> > even

> > > > > > >> > > > > applicability

> > > > > > >> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there

will

> be one

> > > > > or two

> > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say

here

> > in the

> > > > > great

> > > > > > >> > cold

> > > > > > >> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were

in

> vogue

> > > > since

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he

> > > defined and

> > > > > > >> > gave

> > > > > > >> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

Shastiamsa!

> > > > Are you

> > > > > > >> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked

about

> it so

> > > > > that we

> > > > > > >> > can

> > > > > > >> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had

nothing

> > > better to

> > > > > > >> > do???

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the

> > depths of

> > > > > > >> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath,

grandfather

> > > of Pt

> > > > > > >> > Sanjay

> > > > > > >> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions,

and

> > ... you

> > > > > > >> > would be

> > > > > > >> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6

levels

> > > deep!

> > > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of

time, and

> > > > hence,

> > > > > > >> > they

> > > > > > >> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts.

Most

> of the

> > > > > times,

> > > > > > >> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

restrict

> > > > > themselves to

> > > > > > >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and

> they do

> > > > > rely a

> > > > > > >> > lot

> > > > > > >> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to

Rasi &

> > > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > >> > we

> > > > > > >> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh

> yes ...

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > >> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to

Rasi &

> > > Navamsa,

> > > > > > >> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the

results,

> > if not

> > > > > > >> > lagna,

> > > > > > >> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is

> > > required to

> > > > > > >> > come up

> > > > > > >> > > > with principles and then these should be tested

> > > > thoroughly. SJC

> > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > >> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is

no

> > formal

> > > > > > >> > process

> > > > > > >> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously

in the

> > > coming

> > > > > > >> > years!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to

spoon

> feed

> > > > ... he

> > > > > > >> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly,

to whet

> > > their

> > > > > > >> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity

breeds

> > > > > CHARACTER!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event

> which is

> > > > > > >> > already

> > > > > > >> > > > known.

> > > > > > >> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example

of

> > > father's

> > > > > > >> > death.

> > > > > > >> > > > For

> > > > > > >> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

> > dwadashansha. Now

> > > > > > >> > why ? Why

> > > > > > >> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?

Then why

> > > not 2nd

> > > > > > >> > from

> > > > > > >> > > > 9th

> > > > > > >> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-

12 if

> > > one does

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > > find

> > > > > > >> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

arudh

> of 9th

> > > > in D-

> > > > > > >> > 12. It

> > > > > > >> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can

cover

> > all 12

> > > > > > >> > rashis

> > > > > > >> > > > and I

> > > > > > >> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running

at the

> > > > time of

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > > known

> > > > > > >> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was

spoonfed!!

> > He too

> > > > > must

> > > > > > >> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN

Rao and

> > > > come up

> > > > > > >> > with

> > > > > > >> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am

not

> > > sure, if

> > > > > > >> > even

> > > > > > >> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting

events,

> > > > without

> > > > > > >> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have

and

> > > > develop a

> > > > > > >> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75

percent

> > > > > > >> > cases.Then

> > > > > > >> > > > make

> > > > > > >> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go

based

> > on the

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > >> > you

> > > > > > >> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles

> that have

> > > > been

> > > > > > >> > > > developed

> > > > > > >> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those

first.

> > > > Trust me

> > > > > > >> > they

> > > > > > >> > > > work

> > > > > > >> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the

basis of

> > > > > > >> > probability,

> > > > > > >> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an

event

> > > > happening is

> > > > > > >> > high

> > > > > > >> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining

the

> > event,

> > > > > these

> > > > > > >> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

> although they

> > > > > may be

> > > > > > >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara

Bhratri

> > > Karak

> > > > > > >> > caused

> > > > > > >> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an

incomplete and a

> > > > totally

> > > > > > >> > > > inadequate research!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > Narayan

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > > > > >> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

shows

> > > > something

> > > > > > >> > else.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled

(March

> 1993,)

> > > > I was

> > > > > > >> > > > running

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was

in Dec

> > 1996

> > > > > and I

> > > > > > >> > was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00

> > (East of

> > > > > GMT).

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

> > stated in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > email

> > > > > > >> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be

applied, and

> > > > you did

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > > state.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "Narasimha

> > > P.V.R.

> > > > > > >> > Rao"

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

Accident

> > > > > schematic)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence

Cars

> > come

> > > > > under

> > > > > > >> > > > this.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all

yogas

> > > > > > >> > (combinations) in

> > > > > > >> > > > D16

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars.

Here A4

> > > > should be

> > > > > > >> > > > taken in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and

> anxieties

> > > > > > >> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to

cars and

> > > other

> > > > > > >> > sukha.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy

the car.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the

Yoga's

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > >> > above.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a

> > potential

> > > > > > >> > problem

> > > > > > >> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm

> (IST),

> > > > > > >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December

> 1996 at

> > > > > 6:30 pm

> > > > > > >> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

was

> > > > "totalled".

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened

in Li-Ta

> > > > > > >> > antardasa.

> > > > > > >> > > > In my

> > > > > > >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains

> > > 3rd/12th lord

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing

> the loss

> > > > of a

> > > > > > >> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house,

> showing

> > > > > > >> > problems in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule

of

> > > Narayana

> > > > > > >> > dasa

> > > > > > >> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa

sign

> > Li is a

> > > > > > >> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > >> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first

> > > one-third. Its

> > > > > > >> > lord

> > > > > > >> > > > Venus

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he

gives his

> > > > results

> > > > > > >> > in

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives

the

> > > results of

> > > > > > >> > > > occupants

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and

> they are

> > > > > Venus,

> > > > > > >> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes.

We

> > > > divide the

> > > > > > >> > last

> > > > > > >> > > > one-

> > > > > > >> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give

> them to

> > > > these

> > > > > > >> > 4

> > > > > > >> > > > planets

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on

> > > > mahadasa sign

> > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > >> > > > given

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord,

> occupies

> > > > > badhaka

> > > > > > >> > > > sthana

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra.

So the

> > > sub-

> > > > > > >> > period

> > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not

only

> did I

> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > an

> > > > > > >> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I

bought

> in Jan

> > > > 1997

> > > > > > >> > > > suffered

> > > > > > >> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was

> > parked in a

> > > > > > >> > parking

> > > > > > >> > > > lot.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it

twice.

> > > After

> > > > > > >> > these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky"

car and

> > > bought

> > > > > > >> > another

> > > > > > >> > > > new

> > > > > > >> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the

> sub-period

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

happened

> > that the

> > > > > > >> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was

Mercury-Ketu

> > > > > antardasa.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-

97,

> D-16

> > > > > had Leo

> > > > > > >> > > > rising,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

Saturn,

> > > Rahu and

> > > > > > >> > Ketu.

> > > > > > >> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi

Ashtottari

> > > dasa was

> > > > > > >> > running

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never

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> > > > amaze me!

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