Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Sanjay Rath, Hare Rama Krsna! >For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our birth >and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time calculation) as we >are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we must >consume in this life as a burning for our sins. The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa 47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? Thank you. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, Jyotishi http://www.radhadesh.com http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Dhira Krsna I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika and Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alone can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (there is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr B V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendra from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clear from the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison to the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world. Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving children. You have a good point there. Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is being revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary page but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have been spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirm the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial for all of us. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > >Hare Rama Krsna! > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? > >Thank you. > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa, >Jyotishi >http://www.radhadesh.com >http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html >http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html > > >------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease? >Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! >http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM >------------------------------ >-----~-> > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Sanjay, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">How do we reconcile this? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Would appreciate your remarks, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:32 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Dhira Krsna I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika and Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alone can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (there is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr B V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendra from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clear from the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison to the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world. Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving children. You have a good point there. Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is being revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary page but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have been spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirm the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial for all of us. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > >Hare Rama Krsna! > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? > >Thank you. > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa, >Jyotishi >http://www.radhadesh.com >http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html >http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html > > >------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease? >Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! >http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM >------------------------------ >-----~-> > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got lost then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and had a strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:11 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Hi Sanjay, This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. How do we reconcile this? Would appreciate your remarks, Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:32 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya JagannathaDear Dhira KrsnaI am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika andMandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body(time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alonecan it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (thereis a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr BV Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendrafrom navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clearfrom the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison tothe native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world.Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not givingchildren. You have a good point there.Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is beingrevamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary pagebut also to upload lessons etc that you wish.It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have beenspotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirmthe calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial forall of us.With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath CenterR15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *>> Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM>vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION>>>Dear Sanjay Rath,>>Hare Rama Krsna!>>>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins.>>The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life?>>I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much?>>Thank you.>>Yours,>Dhira Krsna dasa,>Jyotishi>http://www.radhadesh.com>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html>http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html>>>------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease?>Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!>http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM>------------------------------>-----~-> >>Archives: vedic astrology>>Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> > Links>>>> >>>>>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">HI Sanjay, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Wow…brilliant… 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Is Mandi anyway related to past Karmas? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The logic being that we are born to expunge the Karmas from our past and the sufferings that the world brings on us in this present life is related to Mandi. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Please comment. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">2:25 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got lost then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and had a strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">11:11 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Hi Sanjay, This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. How do we reconcile this? Would appreciate your remarks, Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">12:32 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Dhira Krsna I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika and Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alone can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (there is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr B V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendra from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clear from the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison to the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world. Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving children. You have a good point there. Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is being revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary page but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have been spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirm the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial for all of us. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > >Hare Rama Krsna! > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? > >Thank you. > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa, >Jyotishi >http://www.radhadesh.com >http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html >http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html > > >------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease? >Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! >http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM >------------------------------ >-----~-> > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"> Archives: vedic astrology || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Saturn is the planet that symbolises our sins and causes rebirth (perhaps that's why Saturn get digbala or directional strength in 7th house - none other does. this is the house of our desires - kaama). So Saturn is intricately linked to rebirth and is the key planet used for calculating the adhana i.e. conception charts. Mandi and Gulika are the children of Saturn and all chidren of planets are related to the significations of the planet. Mandi and Gulika symbolise the poison we gave to others and that we receive from others - its a two way traffic. You will find this two way traffic in all walks of life including this list where people are always trying to *out do* others in a competitive dog eat dog world. Most westerners cannot understand this thing about India as to why do our people *bite* each other in public. Its not the fault of the people but that of an intense system of competition that as been created after *independance* due to the position of diabolical Rahu in the ascendant of India aspecting the 5th house (Indian population/public) and 7th house (foreign relations) and 9th house (policy). Reforms have started and while the government has reformed itself considerably with red tape gone etc, the people of India have yet to reform. you can see this in this list and many other forum. The exchanges are very *Mandi-Gulika* type where one Indian throws poison on another which is a *Mandi* generated action and then somewhere in this universe the karma has to rebound, and this rebound is *Gulika*...so Gulika is the same as Mandi but is inward or towards the native while Gulika is outward. Many people say that they are the same, to which I say yes they are in nature but Prabhupada and other saints have emphasied on this rebound of karma which explains the Mandi-Gulika syndrome and the fact that although they are similar, they are different in action. Now it is clear that *Mandi* alone represents the bad karma *we do (our action)* towards others. So we are to be reborn to face this karma and hence Mandi plays a significant role in our re-incarnation. I hope someone can give Prabhupada's tale of the widow's of Vrindavan. If there is one common thread we find in all great saints be it Jesus, Buddha or Shankara, it is just one tale 'get out of this Mandi-Gulika syndrome' by forgiving, forgetting and forging ahead'. The only answer to all the Gulika we get in life is AHIMSA. Hope this helps Mike. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:29 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION HI Sanjay, Wow…brilliant… Is Mandi anyway related to past Karmas? The logic being that we are born to expunge the Karmas from our past and the sufferings that the world brings on us in this present life is related to Mandi. Please comment. Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:25 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got lost then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and had a strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:11 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Hi Sanjay, This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. How do we reconcile this? Would appreciate your remarks, Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:32 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya JagannathaDear Dhira KrsnaI am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika andMandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body(time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alonecan it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (thereis a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr BV Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendrafrom navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clearfrom the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison tothe native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world.Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not givingchildren. You have a good point there.Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is beingrevamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary pagebut also to upload lessons etc that you wish.It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have beenspotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirmthe calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial forall of us.With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath CenterR15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *>> Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM>vedic astrology>[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION>>>Dear Sanjay Rath,>>Hare Rama Krsna!>>>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins.>>The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life?>>I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much?>>Thank you.>>Yours,>Dhira Krsna dasa,>Jyotishi>http://www.radhadesh.com>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html>http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html>>>------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease?>Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!>http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM>------------------------------>-----~-> >>Archives: vedic astrology>>Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> > Links>>>> >>>>>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Hare Krishna Dear Sanjay, PLease read below, one day we will beable to use astrology more extensively....in various ways,you only touched on D60,etc Best wishes, Lakshmi One of the most common issues of arguments of skeptics regarding reincarnation is that the case of children who claims to remember their previous lives comes from cultures or communities whose people believe in reincarnation. Thus they try to rationalize that it is a kind of fantasy which arises from hereditary belief. Dr. Pasricha (03- 21-05) One of the most common issues of arguments of skeptics regarding reincarnation is that the case of children who claims to remember their previous lives comes from cultures or communities whose people believe in reincarnation. Thus they try to rationalize that it is a kind of fantasy which arises from hereditary belief. The other day in one of the article in Times of India, Sukhwant Singh challenged why so far there are not any case from Moslem community. Thanks to Dr. Satwant Pasricha, Head of Department of Clinical Psycology, NIMHANS, who has found few cases, which occured among Sunni Moslems who, guided by their religious teachings, do not believe in reincarnation. (Some Shiite Moslem communities do endorse the idea of reincarnation) In India, Dr. Satwant K. Pasricha (along with Dr. Ian Stenenson of University of Virginia) has investigated over 400 cases. Most of these cases occured in the religious communities of Hindus, Sikhs, and Jains, who believe in reincarnation; a few case also occured among Sunni Moslems who do not believe in reincarnation. A change in religion of varying degree has been reported in some of these cases. A change has been considered a minor change if it occured in cases wherein a child claimed to remember the life of a person who belonged to slightly different religion (from Hindu to Jain or Sikh and vice versa). There are also the cases wherein children remembered having belonged to a religion in the previous life that was strkingly different from their present one. For example, a Hindu child who remembers having been a Moslem in the previous life and vice versa is considered as a case of major change in religion. An analysis of 400 cases revealed that 26 subjects were Moslems who remembered having been Moslems in the previous life (19 caes) or Hindus who remebered having been Moslems (7 cases). There were seven cases of Moslems where no change in religion was reported. These case reports have been published in NIMHANS Journal, April 1998 issue, pp 93-100) and also submitted to the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research for publication, says Dr. Pasricha. Case of Nasruddin Shah: Nasruddin was born in Allahganj, a town of District Shaharanpur, UP, around April 1962. His parents were Gulsher and Bhaggo Shah. The family were sunni Moslems and belonged to lower socio economic class. Nasruddin began to speak at about the age of one, and he was about 2, when he first mentioned a previous life. He said that he was a Thakur and that his money was buried "under the door". He gradually gave more details, which included the descriptions of a quarrel that led to his death in the previous life. He said that his own son was among the murderers. One day an elephant came from Phargana (a village about 9-10 kilometers from Allahganj) to Allahganj. Nasruddin said that the elephant was his. Word about Nasruddin's claims and recognition of the elephant reached Phargana. A son and the widow of one Hardevbaksh Singh, a Thakur, then came to Allahganj to visit Nasruddin. Nasruddin is said to have recognised them by giving their relatioships without mentioning their names. Nasruddin's statements matched events in the life and death of Hardevbaksh Singh of Phargana. Hardevbaksh Singh was a landlord who lived in Phargana. He was killed in a scuffle on March 21, 1961, when he was about 70-75 years old. The quarrel leading to his death occured over the issue of Hadevbaksh Singh's cattle trespassing into someone's fields. The dispute has occured between Hardevbaksh Singh and his distant cousins; but some outsiders also came in, and they allegedly attacked and killed Hardevbaksh Singh. One of Hardevbaksh Singh's son had been the member of the group attacking him; this was a particularly obscure detail, not known outside the village. Nasruddin's Unusual Behaviour: In addition to his statements about a previous life, Nasruddin displayed certain behaviour that accorded with the behaviour of a Thakur but that was unusual for his poor present circumstances. For example, he refused to eat food on a plate used by someone else and refused to drink from someone else's glass. This behaviour persisted till the age of four. He also had other behavioural features of "Thakur Snobbery" that lasted till the age of 13-14 years, much beyond his cognitive memories. For example, he would not collect cow dung for fuel, a task readily accepted by his older brother or other children in the community. Nasruddin refused to eat beef from the very young age, although other family members ate it; he did eat mutton. He would not accompany his father to the masque or say Moslem prayers, which the other family members did. Although his parents observerd Ramzan reguraly, Nasaruddin would not join them in fasting; he would sometimes even make fun and ridicule them for fasting. Nasruddin's Birthmarks: Nasruddin had prominents birthmarks that corresponded to the wounds inflicted on the body of Hardevbaksh Singh as per the post-mortem report. In the context of the birthmarks, Dr. Ian Stevenson has published a longer report in this case[1]. Case of Nagina: Nagina was born in October 1990 in a town in District Farrukhabad, U.P. Her father, Amaruddin, was a Tonga driver. The family belonged to the sect of Sunni Moslems who did not believe in reincarnation. They were the members of the middle lower socioeconomic class. When Nagina was a little over one year old and before she had acquired speech, she used to try to convey something through gestures. She would make a gesture of striking a match and pointing it to her head. This behaviour started when one of Amaruddin's aunts, who was visiting them, asked for some oil to massage her head. Nagina brought a bottle with kerosene in it. The aunt said with surprise that she had asked for mustard oil and asked what she would do with kerosene. Nagina then showed her, through the gesture, how she (in the previous life) had poured kerosene on her head and set herself on fire by lighting a match. About the age of three, when Nagina could spoke clearly, she gave more details about a previous life. She said that she was Oma, a teacher, and that she had two dauthers and two sons. Her statements also included the details of how she had a quarrel with her husband and set herself on fire after dowsing herself in kerosene. A women called Oma devi lived a few yards away from the house of Amaruddin. She was married and had four children: two dauthers and two sons. She was a teacher in a school in District Etah, and her husband sold books and stationary in Mohammadabad. The couple did not get along well. On May 19, 1987 they had a serious quarrel; Oma Devi dowsed herself with kerosene and immolated herself. Her body was charred completely; she was 47 at the time. On hearing about Nagina's claims Oma Devi's sons called her to their home. Oma Devi's younger son expressed reservations about the case but did not deny it completely. Her older son was convinced that Nagina was his mother reborn. His conviction derived from Nagina's behaviour and her knowledge of certain events in Oma Devi's life that he believed were not known to outsiders. Nagina's Unusual Behaviour: Nagina showed behaviour, which refelected her preoccupation with the mode of death in her claimed previous life. She also showed appropriate behaviour towards Oma Devi's sons and gave information that was not in the public domain. When Oma Devi's husband died in April 1996, Nagina became very upset (she was about 5 1/2 years old at that time.) Nagina's Birthmarks: Nagina's parents, and also some other informants, noticed marks suggestive of burns on her body when she was born. On examination in December 1995, two marks were clearly seen on her body. These were hypopigmented areas under Nagina's chin and on her lower abdomen. Case of Naresh Kumar: Naresh was born in Fabraury 1981 in the village of Baznagar of District Lucknow, U.P. His parents were Guruprasad and his wife, Bishwana. The family were of middle lower socioeconomic status and were Hindus. About the age of one year, when he started to speak, Naresh used to utter two words, "Kakori" (name of a place) and "kharkhara" (local word for a horse-cart). When he was about four years old, he gave details about a previous life. He said that he was carrying mangoes in his horse-cart when it collided with a vehicle and he died; he also said that he was Moslem and lived in Kakori. Naresh used to talk about a previous life whenever anyone asked him in the village. A moslem Fakir called Haider Ali used to come to Baznagar every Thursday for alms. After Naresh started walking, he used to follow Haider Ali around the village. Naresh said that Haider Ali was his father and that he wanted to go with him. Everyone in the village called Haider Ali "Baba" but Naresh used to call him, "Abba" (father). Haider Ali lived in Kakori with his family who belonged to the Sunni sect of Islam. He had married twice and had one son from his first marriage, three sons and seven dauthers from his second. Mushir Ali was his oldest son from the secong marriage. Naresh was so insistent in his demands to be taken to Kakori that Bishwana decided to ask for Haider Ali's help, as He was a Moslem, and came from Kakori. Haider Ali advised her to take Naresh to a Mazar (grave of a Moslem Saint) so that he would stop talking about the previous life.*Naresh's parents did take him to Mazar, but this did not help; Naresh continued to talk about the previous life and to insist on going to his previous house. One day he even started going toward the road by himself. Eventually, Guruprasad decided to take Naresh, along with some other people from Baznagar, to Kakori. Naresh is said to have led them to Mushir Ali's house. On reaching the house, Naresh recongnized several objects that had belonged to Mushir Ali, such as a cap and the contents of Mushir Ali's suitcase. He was also credited with having correctly recognized members of Mushir Ali's immediate family, as well as other relatives and friends. Naresh, when questioned, told them about the bank account that the family had when Mushir Ali died. He also mentioned the name of a person who owed some money to Mushir Ali. (The family acknowledged this as true and added that the person in question had returned the money after Mushir Ali's death.) On the bais of these and other statements Naresh was accepted as Mushir Ali (the son of Haider Ali) reborn. Mushir Ali had hired a horse-cart and used to take vegetables and fruits to the market; he was the sole breadwinner of the family at the time of his death. On june 30, 1980 in the early hours of the morning, Mushir Ali was taking mangoes to the market in Lucknow in his horse-cart. He had gone a little more than 2 kilometers from Kakori when his cart collided with a tractor; he died almost instantly. He was 25 years old at the time. Mushir Ali's family were economically no better off than Naresh's family. Mushir Ali's other brothers, when Dr. Satwant Pasricha met them in 1988, had grown and had their own embroidery buisness which improved their economic situation to some extent. Naresh's Unusual Behaviour: When Naresh was about 2 years old, he would assume the posture of kneeling down and saying Namaz. He would try to do it when he was alone. and would stop when he noticed that others were observing him. Naresh also played at driving a horse- cart. He would tie a rope to a cot and push it and would make sounds as if driving a horse. He also spoke a few words of Urdu. Naresh's Birth Defect: Naresh had a birth defect (a depressed area) near the middle of his chest., slightly on the right side. This corresponded to the fracture of the ribs of Mushir Ali that was reported in the post-mortem examination. In this case of the birth defect, Dr. Satwant Pasricha has published a separate paper[2]. * My opinion on why Haider Ali sent Naresh to grave is that Haider Ali, being a Sunni Moslem, did not believe in reincarnation, so he might have thought that Naresh is haunted by Mushir Ali's spirit, and if he goes to the grave of a Saintly person, then probably the spirit would leave him. 1. Stevenson I. Reincarnation and Biology: A Contribution to the Etiology of Birthmarks and Birthdefects. Connecticut: Praeger, 1997. 2. Pasricha, S. K. Case of the Reincarnation Type in North India with Birthmarks and Birth defects. J.Sci. Explor 1998; 12: 259-93. - eclipse-- In vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Mike > > Saturn is the planet that symbolises our sins and causes rebirth (perhaps > that's why Saturn get digbala or directional strength in 7th house - none > other does. this is the house of our desires - kaama). So Saturn is > intricately linked to rebirth and is the key planet used for calculating the > adhana i.e. conception charts. Mandi and Gulika are the children of Saturn > and all chidren of planets are related to the significations of the planet. > Mandi and Gulika symbolise the poison we gave to others and that we receive > from others - its a two way traffic. You will find this two way traffic in > all walks of life including this list where people are always trying to *out > do* others in a competitive dog eat dog world. > > Most westerners cannot understand this thing about India as to why do our > people *bite* each other in public. Its not the fault of the people but that > of an intense system of competition that as been created after > *independance* due to the position of diabolical Rahu in the ascendant of > India aspecting the 5th house (Indian population/public) and 7th house > (foreign relations) and 9th house (policy). Reforms have started and while > the government has reformed itself considerably with red tape gone etc, the > people of India have yet to reform. you can see this in this list and many > other forum. The exchanges are very *Mandi-Gulika* type where one Indian > throws poison on another which is a *Mandi* generated action and then > somewhere in this universe the karma has to rebound, and this rebound is > *Gulika*...so Gulika is the same as Mandi but is inward or towards the > native while Gulika is outward. > > Many people say that they are the same, to which I say yes they are in > nature but Prabhupada and other saints have emphasied on this rebound of > karma which explains the Mandi-Gulika syndrome and the fact that although > they are similar, they are different in action. > > Now it is clear that *Mandi* alone represents the bad karma *we do (our > action)* towards others. So we are to be reborn to face this karma and hence > Mandi plays a significant role in our re-incarnation. > > I hope someone can give Prabhupada's tale of the widow's of Vrindavan. > > If there is one common thread we find in all great saints be it Jesus, > Buddha or Shankara, it is just one tale 'get out of this Mandi- Gulika > syndrome' by forgiving, forgetting and forging ahead'. The only answer to > all the Gulika we get in life is AHIMSA. Hope this helps Mike. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > Michael Travass [mtravass@t...] > Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:29 PM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > HI Sanjay, > > Wow.brilliant. > > Is Mandi anyway related to past Karmas? > > The logic being that we are born to expunge the Karmas from our past and the > sufferings that the world brings on us in this present life is related to > Mandi. > > Please comment. > > Mike > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:25 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Mike > Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got lost > then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and had a > strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > _____ > > Michael Travass [mtravass@t...] > Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:11 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > Hi Sanjay, > > This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the > Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. > > What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a > Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. > > How do we reconcile this? > > Would appreciate your remarks, > > Mike > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:32 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Dhira Krsna > > I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika and > Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body > (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alone > can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (there > is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr B > V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendra > from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clear > from the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison to > the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world. > > Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving > children. You have a good point there. > > Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is being > revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary page > but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. > > It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have been > spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirm > the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial for > all of us. > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...] > >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > > > >Hare Rama Krsna! > > > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our > >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time > >calculation) > >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we > >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > > > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of > >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept > >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me > >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to > >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi > >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) > >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha > >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? > > > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as > >well. 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Namasthe These articles were also published in "Hindu" News paper in the sunday Science & Technology suppliment a few years back Suresh vedic astrology, "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary> wrote: > > Hare Krishna > Dear Sanjay, > PLease read below, one day we will beable to use astrology more > extensively....in various ways,you only touched on D60,etc > Best wishes, > Lakshmi > > One of the most common issues of arguments of skeptics regarding > reincarnation is that the case of children who claims to remember > their previous lives comes from cultures or communities whose people > believe in reincarnation. Thus they try to rationalize that it is a > kind of fantasy which arises from hereditary belief. Dr. Pasricha (03- > 21-05) > One of the most common issues of arguments of skeptics regarding > reincarnation is that the case of children who claims to remember > their previous lives comes from cultures or communities whose people > believe in reincarnation. Thus they try to rationalize that it is a > kind of fantasy which arises from hereditary belief. The other day in > one of the article in Times of India, Sukhwant Singh challenged why > so far there are not any case from Moslem community. Thanks to Dr. > Satwant Pasricha, Head of Department of Clinical Psycology, NIMHANS, > who has found few cases, which occured among Sunni Moslems who, > guided by their religious teachings, do not believe in reincarnation. > (Some Shiite Moslem communities do endorse the idea of reincarnation) > > In India, Dr. Satwant K. Pasricha (along with Dr. Ian Stenenson of > University of Virginia) has investigated over 400 cases. Most of > these cases occured in the religious communities of Hindus, Sikhs, > and Jains, who believe in reincarnation; a few case also occured > among Sunni Moslems who do not believe in reincarnation. A change in > religion of varying degree has been reported in some of these cases. > A change has been considered a minor change if it occured in cases > wherein a child claimed to remember the life of a person who belonged > to slightly different religion (from Hindu to Jain or Sikh and vice > versa). There are also the cases wherein children remembered having > belonged to a religion in the previous life that was strkingly > different from their present one. For example, a Hindu child who > remembers having been a Moslem in the previous life and vice versa is > considered as a case of major change in religion. > > An analysis of 400 cases revealed that 26 subjects were Moslems who > remembered having been Moslems in the previous life (19 caes) or > Hindus who remebered having been Moslems (7 cases). There were seven > cases of Moslems where no change in religion was reported. These case > reports have been published in NIMHANS Journal, April 1998 issue, pp > 93-100) and also submitted to the Journal of the American Society for > Psychical Research for publication, says Dr. Pasricha. > > Case of Nasruddin Shah: Nasruddin was born in Allahganj, a town of > District Shaharanpur, UP, around April 1962. His parents were Gulsher > and Bhaggo Shah. The family were sunni Moslems and belonged to lower > socio economic class. Nasruddin began to speak at about the age of > one, and he was about 2, when he first mentioned a previous life. He > said that he was a Thakur and that his money was buried "under the > door". He gradually gave more details, which included the > descriptions of a quarrel that led to his death in the previous life. > He said that his own son was among the murderers. One day an elephant > came from Phargana (a village about 9-10 kilometers from Allahganj) > to Allahganj. Nasruddin said that the elephant was his. Word about > Nasruddin's claims and recognition of the elephant reached Phargana. > A son and the widow of one Hardevbaksh Singh, a Thakur, then came to > Allahganj to visit Nasruddin. Nasruddin is said to have recognised > them by giving their relatioships without mentioning their names. > > Nasruddin's statements matched events in the life and death of > Hardevbaksh Singh of Phargana. Hardevbaksh Singh was a landlord who > lived in Phargana. He was killed in a scuffle on March 21, 1961, when > he was about 70-75 years old. The quarrel leading to his death > occured over the issue of Hadevbaksh Singh's cattle trespassing into > someone's fields. The dispute has occured between Hardevbaksh Singh > and his distant cousins; but some outsiders also came in, and they > allegedly attacked and killed Hardevbaksh Singh. One of Hardevbaksh > Singh's son had been the member of the group attacking him; this was > a particularly obscure detail, not known outside the village. > > Nasruddin's Unusual Behaviour: In addition to his statements about a > previous life, Nasruddin displayed certain behaviour that accorded > with the behaviour of a Thakur but that was unusual for his poor > present circumstances. For example, he refused to eat food on a plate > used by someone else and refused to drink from someone else's glass. > This behaviour persisted till the age of four. He also had other > behavioural features of "Thakur Snobbery" that lasted till the age of > 13-14 years, much beyond his cognitive memories. For example, he > would not collect cow dung for fuel, a task readily accepted by his > older brother or other children in the community. Nasruddin refused > to eat beef from the very young age, although other family members > ate it; he did eat mutton. He would not accompany his father to the > masque or say Moslem prayers, which the other family members did. > Although his parents observerd Ramzan reguraly, Nasaruddin would not > join them in fasting; he would sometimes even make fun and ridicule > them for fasting. > > Nasruddin's Birthmarks: Nasruddin had prominents birthmarks that > corresponded to the wounds inflicted on the body of Hardevbaksh Singh > as per the post-mortem report. In the context of the birthmarks, Dr. > Ian Stevenson has published a longer report in this case[1]. > > Case of Nagina: Nagina was born in October 1990 in a town in District > Farrukhabad, U.P. Her father, Amaruddin, was a Tonga driver. The > family belonged to the sect of Sunni Moslems who did not believe in > reincarnation. They were the members of the middle lower > socioeconomic class. When Nagina was a little over one year old and > before she had acquired speech, she used to try to convey something > through gestures. She would make a gesture of striking a match and > pointing it to her head. This behaviour started when one of > Amaruddin's aunts, who was visiting them, asked for some oil to > massage her head. Nagina brought a bottle with kerosene in it. The > aunt said with surprise that she had asked for mustard oil and asked > what she would do with kerosene. Nagina then showed her, through the > gesture, how she (in the previous life) had poured kerosene on her > head and set herself on fire by lighting a match. About the age of > three, when Nagina could spoke clearly, she gave more details about a > previous life. She said that she was Oma, a teacher, and that she had > two dauthers and two sons. Her statements also included the details > of how she had a quarrel with her husband and set herself on fire > after dowsing herself in kerosene. > > A women called Oma devi lived a few yards away from the house of > Amaruddin. She was married and had four children: two dauthers and > two sons. She was a teacher in a school in District Etah, and her > husband sold books and stationary in Mohammadabad. The couple did not > get along well. On May 19, 1987 they had a serious quarrel; Oma Devi > dowsed herself with kerosene and immolated herself. Her body was > charred completely; she was 47 at the time. On hearing about Nagina's > claims Oma Devi's sons called her to their home. Oma Devi's younger > son expressed reservations about the case but did not deny it > completely. Her older son was convinced that Nagina was his mother > reborn. His conviction derived from Nagina's behaviour and her > knowledge of certain events in Oma Devi's life that he believed were > not known to outsiders. > > Nagina's Unusual Behaviour: Nagina showed behaviour, which refelected > her preoccupation with the mode of death in her claimed previous > life. She also showed appropriate behaviour towards Oma Devi's sons > and gave information that was not in the public domain. When Oma > Devi's husband died in April 1996, Nagina became very upset (she was > about 5 1/2 years old at that time.) > > Nagina's Birthmarks: Nagina's parents, and also some other > informants, noticed marks suggestive of burns on her body when she > was born. On examination in December 1995, two marks were clearly > seen on her body. These were hypopigmented areas under Nagina's chin > and on her lower abdomen. > > Case of Naresh Kumar: Naresh was born in Fabraury 1981 in the village > of Baznagar of District Lucknow, U.P. His parents were Guruprasad and > his wife, Bishwana. The family were of middle lower socioeconomic > status and were Hindus. About the age of one year, when he started to > speak, Naresh used to utter two words, "Kakori" (name of a place) > and "kharkhara" (local word for a horse-cart). When he was about four > years old, he gave details about a previous life. He said that he was > carrying mangoes in his horse-cart when it collided with a vehicle > and he died; he also said that he was Moslem and lived in Kakori. > Naresh used to talk about a previous life whenever anyone asked him > in the village. > > A moslem Fakir called Haider Ali used to come to Baznagar every > Thursday for alms. After Naresh started walking, he used to follow > Haider Ali around the village. Naresh said that Haider Ali was his > father and that he wanted to go with him. Everyone in the village > called Haider Ali "Baba" but Naresh used to call him, "Abba" > (father). Haider Ali lived in Kakori with his family who belonged to > the Sunni sect of Islam. He had married twice and had one son from > his first marriage, three sons and seven dauthers from his second. > Mushir Ali was his oldest son from the secong marriage. > > Naresh was so insistent in his demands to be taken to Kakori that > Bishwana decided to ask for Haider Ali's help, as He was a Moslem, > and came from Kakori. Haider Ali advised her to take Naresh to a > Mazar (grave of a Moslem Saint) so that he would stop talking about > the previous life.*Naresh's parents did take him to Mazar, but this > did not help; Naresh continued to talk about the previous life and to > insist on going to his previous house. One day he even started going > toward the road by himself. Eventually, Guruprasad decided to take > Naresh, along with some other people from Baznagar, to Kakori. Naresh > is said to have led them to Mushir Ali's house. On reaching the > house, Naresh recongnized several objects that had belonged to Mushir > Ali, such as a cap and the contents of Mushir Ali's suitcase. He was > also credited with having correctly recognized members of Mushir > Ali's immediate family, as well as other relatives and friends. > Naresh, when questioned, told them about the bank account that the > family had when Mushir Ali died. He also mentioned the name of a > person who owed some money to Mushir Ali. (The family acknowledged > this as true and added that the person in question had returned the > money after Mushir Ali's death.) On the bais of these and other > statements Naresh was accepted as Mushir Ali (the son of Haider Ali) > reborn. > > Mushir Ali had hired a horse-cart and used to take vegetables and > fruits to the market; he was the sole breadwinner of the family at > the time of his death. On june 30, 1980 in the early hours of the > morning, Mushir Ali was taking mangoes to the market in Lucknow in > his horse-cart. He had gone a little more than 2 kilometers from > Kakori when his cart collided with a tractor; he died almost > instantly. He was 25 years old at the time. Mushir Ali's family were > economically no better off than Naresh's family. Mushir Ali's other > brothers, when Dr. Satwant Pasricha met them in 1988, had grown and > had their own embroidery buisness which improved their economic > situation to some extent. > > Naresh's Unusual Behaviour: When Naresh was about 2 years old, he > would assume the posture of kneeling down and saying Namaz. He would > try to do it when he was alone. and would stop when he noticed that > others were observing him. Naresh also played at driving a horse- > cart. He would tie a rope to a cot and push it and would make sounds > as if driving a horse. He also spoke a few words of Urdu. > > Naresh's Birth Defect: Naresh had a birth defect (a depressed area) > near the middle of his chest., slightly on the right side. This > corresponded to the fracture of the ribs of Mushir Ali that was > reported in the post-mortem examination. In this case of the birth > defect, Dr. Satwant Pasricha has published a separate paper[2]. > > * My opinion on why Haider Ali sent Naresh to grave is that Haider > Ali, being a Sunni Moslem, did not believe in reincarnation, so he > might have thought that Naresh is haunted by Mushir Ali's spirit, and > if he goes to the grave of a Saintly person, then probably the spirit > would leave him. > > 1. Stevenson I. Reincarnation and Biology: A Contribution to the > Etiology of Birthmarks and Birthdefects. Connecticut: Praeger, 1997. > 2. Pasricha, S. K. Case of the Reincarnation Type in North India with > Birthmarks and Birth defects. J.Sci. Explor 1998; 12: 259-93. > - eclipse-- In vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > <guruji@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Mike > > > > Saturn is the planet that symbolises our sins and causes rebirth > (perhaps > > that's why Saturn get digbala or directional strength in 7th house - > none > > other does. this is the house of our desires - kaama). So Saturn is > > intricately linked to rebirth and is the key planet used for > calculating the > > adhana i.e. conception charts. Mandi and Gulika are the children of > Saturn > > and all chidren of planets are related to the significations of the > planet. > > Mandi and Gulika symbolise the poison we gave to others and that we > receive > > from others - its a two way traffic. You will find this two way > traffic in > > all walks of life including this list where people are always > trying to *out > > do* others in a competitive dog eat dog world. > > > > Most westerners cannot understand this thing about India as to why > do our > > people *bite* each other in public. Its not the fault of the people > but that > > of an intense system of competition that as been created after > > *independance* due to the position of diabolical Rahu in the > ascendant of > > India aspecting the 5th house (Indian population/public) and 7th > house > > (foreign relations) and 9th house (policy). Reforms have started > and while > > the government has reformed itself considerably with red tape gone > etc, the > > people of India have yet to reform. you can see this in this list > and many > > other forum. The exchanges are very *Mandi-Gulika* type where one > Indian > > throws poison on another which is a *Mandi* generated action and > then > > somewhere in this universe the karma has to rebound, and this > rebound is > > *Gulika*...so Gulika is the same as Mandi but is inward or towards > the > > native while Gulika is outward. > > > > Many people say that they are the same, to which I say yes they are > in > > nature but Prabhupada and other saints have emphasied on this > rebound of > > karma which explains the Mandi-Gulika syndrome and the fact that > although > > they are similar, they are different in action. > > > > Now it is clear that *Mandi* alone represents the bad karma *we do > (our > > action)* towards others. So we are to be reborn to face this karma > and hence > > Mandi plays a significant role in our re-incarnation. > > > > I hope someone can give Prabhupada's tale of the widow's of > Vrindavan. > > > > If there is one common thread we find in all great saints be it > Jesus, > > Buddha or Shankara, it is just one tale 'get out of this Mandi- > Gulika > > syndrome' by forgiving, forgetting and forging ahead'. The only > answer to > > all the Gulika we get in life is AHIMSA. Hope this helps Mike. > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > _____ > > > > Michael Travass [mtravass@t...] > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:29 PM > > vedic astrology > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > > > HI Sanjay, > > > > Wow.brilliant. > > > > Is Mandi anyway related to past Karmas? > > > > The logic being that we are born to expunge the Karmas from our > past and the > > sufferings that the world brings on us in this present life is > related to > > Mandi. > > > > Please comment. > > > > Mike > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:25 AM > > vedic astrology > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Mike > > Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got > lost > > then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and > had a > > strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Michael Travass [mtravass@t...] > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:11 AM > > vedic astrology > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > Hi Sanjay, > > > > This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in > the > > Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. > > > > What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is > not in a > > Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. > > > > How do we reconcile this? > > > > Would appreciate your remarks, > > > > Mike > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > > Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:32 AM > > vedic astrology > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Dhira Krsna > > > > I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika > and > > Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in > the body > > (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala > then alone > > can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as > Mandi (there > > is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by > translator Dr B > > V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a > kendra > > from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is > clear > > from the various texts that they are different - one that gives > poison to > > the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the > world. > > > > Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving > > children. You have a good point there. > > > > Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is > being > > revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the > primary page > > but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. > > > > It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have > been > > spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can > confirm > > the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most > beneficial for > > all of us. > > > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > > > > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...] > > >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > > > > > >Hare Rama Krsna! > > > > > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for > our > > >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time > > >calculation) > > >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison > we > > >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > > > > > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of > > >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept > > >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me > > >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to > > >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi > > >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) > > >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha > > >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past > life? > > > > > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as > > >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the > > >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa > > >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > >Yours, > > >Dhira Krsna dasa, > > >Jyotishi > > >http://www.radhadesh.com > > >http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > >http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > > >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by > > >illness or disease? > > >Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! > > >http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > > >------------------------------ > > >-----~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > >....... 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thank you very much Sanjay. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Let us take the case where Mandi and Gullika are located in the 11th bhava from Lagna which also happens to be the color:navy">AL in Rashi chart. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">From the BPHS we know that both these chaya Grahas give good effects in the 11th bhava but does it mean that the person birth is to give and receive poison from this world. In this case would it be apparent or actual and how will this manifest? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Please comment. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Warm regards, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Monday, March 21, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">8:31 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Saturn is the planet that symbolises our sins and causes rebirth (perhaps that's why Saturn get digbala or directional strength in 7th house - none other does. this is the house of our desires - kaama). So Saturn is intricately linked to rebirth and is the key planet used for calculating the adhana i.e. conception charts. Mandi and Gulika are the children of Saturn and all chidren of planets are related to the significations of the planet. Mandi and Gulika symbolise the poison we gave to others and that we receive from others - its a two way traffic. You will find this two way traffic in all walks of life including this list where people are always trying to *out do* others in a competitive dog eat dog world. Most westerners cannot understand this thing about India as to why do our people *bite* each other in public. Its not the fault of the people but that of an intense system of competition that as been created after *independance* due to the position of diabolical Rahu in the ascendant of India aspecting the 5th house (Indian population/public) and 7th house (foreign relations) and 9th house (policy). Reforms have started and while the government has reformed itself considerably with red tape gone etc, the people of India have yet to reform. you can see this in this list and many other forum. The exchanges are very *Mandi-Gulika* type where one Indian throws poison on another which is a *Mandi* generated action and then somewhere in this universe the karma has to rebound, and this rebound is *Gulika*...so Gulika is the same as Mandi but is inward or towards the native while Gulika is outward. Many people say that they are the same, to which I say yes they are in nature but Prabhupada and other saints have emphasied on this rebound of karma which explains the Mandi-Gulika syndrome and the fact that although they are similar, they are different in action. Now it is clear that *Mandi* alone represents the bad karma *we do (our action)* towards others. So we are to be reborn to face this karma and hence Mandi plays a significant role in our re-incarnation. I hope someone can give Prabhupada's tale of the widow's of Vrindavan. If there is one common thread we find in all great saints be it Jesus, Buddha or Shankara, it is just one tale 'get out of this Mandi-Gulika syndrome' by forgiving, forgetting and forging ahead'. The only answer to all the Gulika we get in life is AHIMSA. Hope this helps Mike. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">10:29 PM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION HI Sanjay, Wow…brilliant… Is Mandi anyway related to past Karmas? The logic being that we are born to expunge the Karmas from our past and the sufferings that the world brings on us in this present life is related to Mandi. Please comment. Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">2:25 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Mike Then the chart was never meant to be lost. If the birth details got lost then it can only be because mandi occupied a kendra in navamsa and had a strong influence on the lagna to cause such a loss of birth details. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michael Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">11:11 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Hi Sanjay, This is regarding your comment that Mandi should be in a Kendra in the Navamsa to determine the lost horoscopy. What about a chart where the birth details are known and Mandi is not in a Kendra to the Navamsa Lagna. How do we reconcile this? Would appreciate your remarks, Mike Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 20, 2005 font-family:Tahoma">12:32 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION Jaya Jagannatha Dear Dhira Krsna I am still having the problem recoinciling Gulika Kala with Gulika and Mandi. If the Kala is to follow Saturn then how can Gulika be in the body (time or Kala) of Saturn? If Gulika is different from Gulika Kala then alone can it be the beginning of Saturn. Prasna Marga takes Gulika as Mandi (there is a confusion of terms over there) as has been recorded by translator Dr B V Raman. On the other hand lost horoscopy requires Mandi to be in a kendra from navamsa lagna and thus this is used for the purpose. But it is clear from the various texts that they are different - one that gives poison to the native and the other that shows what poiso he gives to the world. Posyaputra yogas have to do more with the eunuch planets not giving children. You have a good point there. Visti changes the webpages. In fact the .org site is being revamped and you will soon have some webspace for not only the primary page but also to upload lessons etc that you wish. It is stated that Mandi and Gulika were like two spots that have been spotted once by astronomers. If we can get those data then we can confirm the calculations. Any effort in this direction will be most beneficial for all of us. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * > >Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] >Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:31 AM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] RE MANDI CALCULATION > > >Dear Sanjay Rath, > >Hare Rama Krsna! > >>For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our >>birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time >calculation) >>as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we >>must consume in this life as a burning for our sins. > >The verse in BPHS mentions Mandi for this calculation of >adhana. Here you are speaking of Gulika. Do you now accept >Mandi and Gulika to be one and the same? If you could tell me >a little about the story of Mandi and/or Gulika's birth to >Shani, that would be very much appreciated. Btw, why is Mandi >also causing pasyaputra yoga (obtaining a child not one's own) >when he aspects 5th house or 5th lord being in a sign of Budha >or Shani, along with Shani? Is that indicating a curse from past life? > >I guess there might be some pasyaputra yoga in my chart as >well. And a last question: could you change my chart on the >guru's webpage to the time of 10:51:00 and with my ayanamsa >47:06 less than Lahiri, if it's not asked too much? > >Thank you. > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa, >Jyotishi >http://www.radhadesh.com >http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html >http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html > > >------------------------ Sponsor >--------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by >illness or disease? >Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! >http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM >------------------------------ >-----~-> > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... 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