Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:Accidentschematic)

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I am following arguments from both side of this debate. But I will

follow what the results say. Of many of the puzzles put on this list,

most of the puzzles are accurately predicted by the members who use

Vargas, Narayana dasa, Tithi ashtottari dasa, intelligently and know

exactly how to use them. Hence I will not be discouraged to learn

these technique.

 

Regards to all debaters,

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

> Namaste Pravinji,

>

> Nandan Chirmulay teaches Jyotish at Arsha Vidya Gurukulum in

> Pennsylvania. He is Jtotish Vishrad and Gold Medalist of Bhartiya

> Vidya Bhavan. He is consultant to the United Nations for their

> Montreal protocol and as such travels almost 270 days a year and has

> not written any books.

>

> He is described by Chakrapani UllaL as the most brilliant

astrologers

> in the West. UlaaL is a big time celebrity astrologer in California

> and has many clients from the Hollywood industry. he even mentions

> that he uses lectures from Nandan's class in his practice.

>

>

> On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:31:46 +0530, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...>

wrote:

> > Dear Panditji,

> > Who is Nandan Chirmulay ? Has he written any books ? Wherefrom I

can obtain

> > these books ? Please write.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > -

> > Panditji

> > vedic astrology

> > 19, 03, 2005 7:27 AM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> > (Re:Accidentschematic)

> >

> > Namaste Narayan,

> >

> > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

been

> > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

parashar you

> > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

had a

> > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

came in

> > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with

one day

> > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

is

> > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

not

> > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

his

> > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

the

> > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

divisionals

> > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out

my

> > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

about

> > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction,

all

> > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

has

> > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

forcing

> > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

great

> > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

should

> > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> >

> > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

inclination I

> > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have

to put

> > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if

I

> > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

opinion. Let

> > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

methods may

> > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> > views on the subject.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Panditji,

> > >

> > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

if

> > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > >

> > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

idioms,

> > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

testing! On

> > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

have not

> > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

these

> > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

principles

> > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

should

> > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

matter,

> > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > >

> > >

> > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

one

> > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

have

> > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

and I

> > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > applicability

> > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or

two

> > > charts

> > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great cold

> > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > >

> > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

the

> > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

gave

> > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that

we can

> > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

do???

> > >

> > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

Sanjay

> > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

would be

> > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

they

> > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

times,

> > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves

to

> > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely

a lot

> > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

we

> > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by

the

> > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

lagna,

> > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > >

> > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

come up

> > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

is

> > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

process

> > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

years!

> > >

> > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

already

> > > known.

> > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

death.

> > > For

> > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

why ? Why

> > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

from

> > > 9th

> > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

not

> > > find

> > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

12. It

> > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

rashis

> > > and I

> > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

the

> > > known

> > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > >

> > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

must

> > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

with

> > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

even

> > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > > beating around the bush!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

cases.Then

> > > make

> > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

chart you

> > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > > developed

> > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

they

> > > work

> > > > in majority of cases

> > > >

> > >

> > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

probability,

> > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

high

> > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

these

> > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may

be

> > > statistacally valid!!

> > >

> > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

caused

> > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > > inadequate research!

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Narayan

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

<mtravass@t...>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

else.

> > > > >

> > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > running

> > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > >

> > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and

I was

> > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > >

> > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

your

> > > email

> > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

not

> > > state.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > > >

> > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

under

> > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

(combinations) in

> > > D16

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > taken in

> > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > respectively,

> > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

sukha.

> > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

problem

> > > sign.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30

pm

> > > (EST),

> > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

antardasa.

> > > In my

> > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > Mercury and

> > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > vehicle.

> > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

problems in

> > > > > sukha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

dasa

> > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > seershodaya

> > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

lord

> > > Venus

> > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

in

> > > the

> > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > > occupants

> > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,

> > > Rahu,

> > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

last

> > > one-

> > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

4

> > > planets

> > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

is

> > > given

> > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

badhaka

> > > sthana

> > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

period

> > > in

> > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

an

> > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > suffered

> > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

parking

> > > lot.

> > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

these

> > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

another

> > > new

> > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

giving the

> > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > antardasa was

> > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

antardasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had

Leo

> > > rising,

> > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

Ketu.

> > > Saturn-

> > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

running

> > > from

> > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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Most of the people on this list who participate are part of SJC or

are gurus at sjc. There are a very few here, may be Pravan kumar,

Sharmaji, Balaji, myself to name a few are not shisyas of SJC. So

whatever people put on this list will have a predominant sjc flavor.

 

I have very sparingly participated in puzzles. I try to give my

analysis and prediction if someone posts it directly to me or to the

list. I have just like many others,a corporate job and I am also an

adjuct faculty at a major research University. Besides I have two kids

in 7th and 3 rd grade and invariably they hog the computer for

homework. I am also involved in Tennis and come spring I will be

involved in Cricket coaching and playing ( although I am getting too

old for Cricket playing). The point is, I have very little time and I

try to use it to help, if I can, people who may need a jyotish

reading.

 

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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:09:21 -0000, pp_gurav <pp_gurav wrote:

>

> I am following arguments from both side of this debate. But I will

> follow what the results say. Of many of the puzzles put on this list,

> most of the puzzles are accurately predicted by the members who use

> Vargas, Narayana dasa, Tithi ashtottari dasa, intelligently and know

> exactly how to use them. Hence I will not be discouraged to learn

> these technique.

>

> Regards to all debaters,

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Pravinji,

> >

> > Nandan Chirmulay teaches Jyotish at Arsha Vidya Gurukulum in

> > Pennsylvania. He is Jtotish Vishrad and Gold Medalist of Bhartiya

> > Vidya Bhavan. He is consultant to the United Nations for their

> > Montreal protocol and as such travels almost 270 days a year and has

> > not written any books.

> >

> > He is described by Chakrapani UllaL as the most brilliant

> astrologers

> > in the West. UlaaL is a big time celebrity astrologer in California

> > and has many clients from the Hollywood industry. he even mentions

> > that he uses lectures from Nandan's class in his practice.

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:31:46 +0530, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...>

>

> wrote:

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > Who is Nandan Chirmulay ? Has he written any books ? Wherefrom I

> can obtain

> > > these books ? Please write.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > Panditji

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 19, 03, 2005 7:27 AM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> > > (Re:Accidentschematic)

> > >

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has not

> been

> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> parashar you

> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just

> had a

> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> came in

> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with

> one day

> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about

> > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he

> is

> > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a

> > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was

> not

> > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know

> his

> > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on

> the

> > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out

> my

> > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> about

> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct prediction,

> all

> > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach that

> has

> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> forcing

> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught by

> great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> should

> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have

> to put

> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not

> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if

> I

> > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> opinion. Let

> > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> methods may

> > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise me

> if

> > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> testing! On

> > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

> have not

> > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> these

> > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> principles

> > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely

> > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> should

> > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> matter,

> > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

> one

> > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would

> have

> > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years

> and I

> > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or

> two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

> great cold

> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since

> the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> gave

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that

> we can

> > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to

> do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> would be

> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

> they

> > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

> times,

> > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict themselves

> to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do rely

> a lot

> > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> we

> > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by

> the

> > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> come up

> > > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> is

> > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> process

> > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming

> years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> 12. It

> > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

> the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

> must

> > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> with

> > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> even

> > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without

> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

> chart you

> > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

> they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening is

> high

> > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

> these

> > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they may

> be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> caused

> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows something

> else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and

> I was

> > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

> your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you did

> not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

> under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> sukha.

> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30

> pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> dasa

> > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

> Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

> last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> an

> > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> these

> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

> giving the

> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had

> Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > > >

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Panditji [navagraha ] Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:18

AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:Accidentschematic)

Namaste,Most of the people on this list who participate are part of SJC orare

gurus at sjc. There are a very few here, may be Pravan kumar,Sharmaji, Balaji,

myself to name a few are not shisyas of SJC. Sowhatever people put on this

list will have a predominant sjc flavor.I have very sparingly participated in

puzzles. I try to give myanalysis and prediction if someone posts it directly

to me or to thelist. I have just like many others,a corporate job and I am also

anadjuct faculty at a major research University. Besides I have two kidsin 7th

and 3 rd grade and invariably they hog the computer forhomework. I am also

involved in Tennis and come spring I will beinvolved in Cricket coaching and

playing ( although I am getting tooold for Cricket playing). The point is, I

have very little time and Itry to use it to help, if I can, people who may need

a jyotishreading....On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:09:21 -0000, pp_gurav

<pp_gurav > wrote:> > I am following arguments from both side of this

debate. But I will > follow what the results say. Of many of the puzzles put on

this list, > most of the puzzles are accurately predicted by the members who use

> Vargas, Narayana dasa, Tithi ashtottari dasa, intelligently and know > exactly

how to use them. Hence I will not be discouraged to learn > these technique.> >

Regards to all debaters,> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste Pravinji,> > > > Nandan Chirmulay

teaches Jyotish at Arsha Vidya Gurukulum in> > Pennsylvania. He is Jtotish

Vishrad and Gold Medalist of Bhartiya> > Vidya Bhavan. He is consultant to the

United Nations for their> > Montreal protocol and as such travels almost 270

days a year and has> > not written any books.> > > > He is described by

Chakrapani UllaL as the most brilliant > astrologers> > in the West. UlaaL is a

big time celebrity astrologer in California> > and has many clients from the

Hollywood industry. he even mentions> > that he uses lectures from Nandan's

class in his practice.> > > > > > On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:31:46 +0530, Praveen

Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> > > wrote:> > > Dear Panditji,> > > Who is Nandan

Chirmulay ? Has he written any books ? Wherefrom I > can obtain> > > these

books ? Please write.> > > > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) > > > ----- Original

Message ----- > > > Panditji > > > vedic astrology >

> > 19, 03, 2005 7:27 AM> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa> > > (Re:Accidentschematic)> > > > > > Namaste

Narayan,> > > > > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that

has not > been> > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

about> > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of > parashar

you> > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you just > had

a> > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional > came

in> > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with > one

day> > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages about> > >

which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha he > is> > > in

what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts is a> > > debate in

itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention was > not> > > to question

his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not know > his> > > teachings.

What I commented is based on what I have seen a few on > the> > > list who say

they are beginners just go on and on about > divisionals> > > and dashas in

divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put out > my> > > opinion for others

to read, they can make their own judgements > about> > > whatever technique they

want to use. If you want to use 5 kinds of> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to

arrive at a correct prediction, > all> > > the power to you. I am presenting

what I feel is a approach that > has> > > worked for me. Let others be judge of

those methods. I am not > forcing> > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do

have an opinion and an> > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has

been taught by > great> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV

Raman..etc.), why > should> > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.> > > > > >

People ask questions on this list and if I have time and > inclination I> > >

answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I have > to put> > >

my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have not> > >

criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But if > I> > > have

differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my > opinion. Let> > > the

members of the list decide what they want to use. Your > methods may> > > be

good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out there> > > views on

the subject.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar

2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:> > > > > >

> > Namaste Panditji,> > > > > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:> > > > >

Namaste,> > > > > > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would

surprise me > if > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts. > > > > >

> > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles, > idioms, >

> > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to > testing! On >

> > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles > have not >

> > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that > these > > >

> principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no > principles > > > >

work 100% and research is required! It could also be entirely > > > > probable

that the chart could need some rectification. One > should > > > > have an open

mind. For that matter, even your principles are > > > > subjected to testing and

cannot be relied upon! If thats the > matter, > > > > then you would be an

"Expert/Rishi"> > > > > > > > > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came> > >

> > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made> > > > >

calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time > one> > > > >

calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak would > have> > > > >

been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few years > and I> > > > >

don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even > > > > >

applicability> > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one

or > two > > > > charts> > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say

here in the > great cold> > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".> >

> > > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue since > the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and > gave > >

> > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you > > > >

saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so that > we can > > > >

pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better to > do???> > > > >

> > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of > > > >

calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt > Sanjay > > > >

Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you > would be > > > >

surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels deep! > > > > Ofcourse,

these calculations consume a lot of time, and hence, > they > > > > would limit

themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the > times, > > > > these charts are

prepared in advance.> > > > > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

restrict themselves > to > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions,

and they do rely > a lot > > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves

to Rasi & Navamsa, > we > > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition!

Oh yes ... by > the > > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi

& Navamsa, > > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> lagna, > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!> > > > > > > >

Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to > come up > > > >

with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC > is > > > > in

the process of doing it ... although there is no formal > process > > > > for

it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the coming > years!> > > > > > >

> Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he > > > >

likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their > > > >

intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is >

already > > > > known.> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example

of father's > death. > > > > For> > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun

in dwadashansha. Now > why ? Why> > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi

chart ?Then why not 2nd > from > > > > 9th> > > > > from ravi. Then one can use

arudh lagna of d-12 if one does > not > > > > find> > > > > it there , then

aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-> 12. It> > > > > can get

confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12 > rashis > > > > and I> > > >

> am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time of > the > > > >

known> > > > > event will be there in one of those.> > > > > > > > I am sure,

not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too > must > > > > have

exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up > with > > > >

idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if > even > > > > you

have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events, without > > > > beating

around the bush!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is ,test priciples

on charts you have and develop a> > > > > consistent principle applicable to

atleast 75 percent > cases.Then > > > > make> > > > > it a principle. Do not

make rules as you go based on the > chart you> > > > > have in front of you.BTW

there are principles that have been > > > > developed> > > > > by peope like KN

Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me > they > > > > work> > > > > in

majority of cases> > > > > > > > > > > > > Principles, should especially be

tested on the basis of > probability, > > > > like Narasimha said, if the

likelihood of an event happening is > high > > > > and if you give a numerous

paramters explaining the event, > these > > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they may > be > > > > statistacally valid!!>

> > > > > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak >

caused > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!> > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Narayan> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000,

mikefranc01 > <mtravass@t...> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi

Narasimha,> > > > > > > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it

shows something > else.> > > > > > > > > > > > The time when my car was almost

totaled (March 1993,) I was > > > > running > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of

D16, 4th from A4. > > > > > > > > > > > > The second time I met with an

accident was in Dec 1996 and > I was > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of

D16.> > > > > > > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East

of GMT).> > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you

stated in > your > > > > email > > > > > > unless there are others, which can

be applied, and you did > not > > > > state.> > > > > > > > > > > > Could you

assist here?> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike> > > > > > > > > > > >

November 14, 1963> > > > > > Time: 14:03:00> > > > > > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"> > >

> > > Margao, Goa, India> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R. > Rao" > > > > > > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005

11:53 PM> > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come >

under > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for

analysing all yogas > (combinations) in > > > > D16> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be > > > > taken in > >

> > > > D16.> > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties >

> > > respectively, > > > > > > in D16 they > > > > > > > > will show for

matters related to cars and other > sukha.> > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign

of A4 will destroy the car.> > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and

7th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

mentioned > above.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa

also as a potential > problem > > > > sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My

birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), > > > > Machilipatnam, > > > >

> > India> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December

1996 at 6:30 > pm > > > > (EST), > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but

the car was "totalled".> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa,

this happened in Li-Ta > antardasa. > > > > In my > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the

badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord > > > > Mercury and > > > > > >

nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a > > > > vehicle. > >

> > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing > problems in > > >

> > > sukha.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of

rule of Narayana > dasa > > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa

sign Li is a > > > > seershodaya > > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in

the first one-third. Its > lord > > > > Venus > > > > > > is also in a

seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results > in > > > > the > > > > > >

second one-third. The last one-third gives the results of > > > > occupants > >

> > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are > Venus, > > > >

Rahu, > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the >

last > > > > one-> > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them

to these > 4 > > > > planets > > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's

aspect on mahadasa sign > is > > > > given > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997.

Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies > badhaka > > > > sthana > > > > > > and aspects

the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-> period > > > > in > > > > > >

question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have > an > > > > > >

accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997 > > > > suffered > >

> > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a > parking > > >

> lot. > > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After >

these > > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought >

another > > > > new > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the

sub-period > giving the > > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so

happened that the > > > > antardasa was > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains

Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was

Mercury-Ketu > antardasa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi

Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had > Leo > > > > rising, > > > > > > lagna

lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and > Ketu. > > > > Saturn-> > >

> > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was > running > > > >

from > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > >

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RE: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:Accidentschematic)

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:18

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Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:Accidentschematic)

10.0pt">Namaste,

Most of the people on this list who

participate are part of SJC or

are gurus at sjc. There are a very few here, may

be Pravan kumar,

Sharmaji, Balaji, myself to name a few are not

shisyas of SJC. So

whatever people put on this list will have a

predominant sjc flavor.

I have very sparingly participated in puzzles. I

try to give my

analysis and prediction if someone posts it

directly to me or to the

list. I have just like many others,a corporate job

and I am also an

adjuct faculty at a major research University.

Besides I have two kids

in 7th and 3 rd grade and invariably they hog the

computer for

homework. I am also involved in Tennis and come

spring I will be

involved in Cricket coaching and playing (

although I am getting too

old for Cricket playing). The point is, I have

very little time and I

try to use it to help, if I can, people who may

need a jyotish

reading.

....

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:09:21 -0000, pp_gurav

<pp_gurav > wrote:

>

> I am following arguments from both side of

this debate. But I will

> follow what the results say. Of many of the

puzzles put on this list,

> most of the puzzles are accurately predicted

by the members who use

> Vargas, Narayana dasa, Tithi ashtottari dasa,

intelligently and know

> exactly how to use them. Hence I will not be

discouraged to learn

> these technique.

>

> Regards to all debaters,

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Pravinji,

> >

> > Nandan Chirmulay teaches Jyotish at

Arsha Vidya Gurukulum in

> > Pennsylvania.

He is Jtotish Vishrad and Gold Medalist of Bhartiya

> > Vidya Bhavan. He is consultant to the

United Nations for their

> > Montreal

protocol and as such travels almost 270 days a year and has

> > not written any books.

> >

> > He is described by Chakrapani UllaL as

the most brilliant

> astrologers

> > in the West. UlaaL is a big time

celebrity astrologer in California

> > and has many clients from the Hollywood industry. he even mentions

> > that he uses lectures from Nandan's

class in his practice.

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:31:46 +0530,

Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...>

>

> wrote:

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > Who is Nandan Chirmulay ? Has he

written any books ? Wherefrom I

> can obtain

> > > these books ? Please write.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > -

> > > Panditji

> > > vedic astrology

> > > 19, 03, 2005 7:27 AM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa

> > > (Re:Accidentschematic)

> > >

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking sides to

defend something that has not

> been

> > > attacked. I know what parashara

said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > > divisions and if you say it was in

vogue since the day of

> parashar you

> > > must be really looooong in tooth.

You are talking as if you just

> had a

> > > conversation with him. I stand by

my statement that divisional

> came in

> > > vogue after the advent of computers

and now even a novice with

> one day

> > > of training or less can put them up

and can write off pages about

> > > which planet is where in which

varga and from what rashi dasha he

> is

> > > in what house. Whether there are

houses in divisional charts is a

> > > debate in itself. I do not know

sanjay rath and my intention was

> not

> > > to question his teachings or his

grand fathers', as I do not know

> his

> > > teachings. What I commented is

based on what I have seen a few on

> the

> > > list who say they are beginners

just go on and on about

> divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals as if

there was no tomorrow. I put out

> my

> > > opinion for others to read, they

can make their own judgements

> about

> > > whatever technique they want to

use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to

arrive at a correct prediction,

> all

> > > the power to you. I am presenting

what I feel is a approach that

> has

> > > worked for me. Let others be judge

of those methods. I am not

> forcing

> > > any technique down anyone's throat.

I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not invented

by me, but has been taught by

> great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan

Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> should

> > > you or anyone feel threatened by

it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on this list

and if I have time and

> inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my ability.

While doing so, I feel I have

> to put

> > > my opinions out there for people on

the list to read. I have not

> > > criticized any astrologer on the

list, thats not my style. But if

> I

> > > have differences of opinion with a

methodology I voice my

> opinion. Let

> > > the members of the list decide what

they want to use. Your

> methods may

> > > be good for you, why are you

threatened if someone puts out there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000,

naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These principles are a

work in progress. It would surprise me

> if

> > > > > they have been

tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of

knowledge, there are always principles,

> idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will be formed

and would be subjected to

> testing! On

> > > > what basis did you jump to

conclusion that these principles

> have not

> > > > been tested adequately?? It

could be entirely probable that

> these

> > > > principles are a "work in

progress", for that matter no

> principles

> > > > work 100% and research is

required! It could also be entirely

> > > > probable that the chart could

need some rectification. One

> should

> > > > have an open mind. For that

matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing and

cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> matter,

> > > > then you would be an

"Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with the

divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue after the

advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of them fast.

In the precomputer days,by the time

> one

> > > > > calculated all these

accurately and verified, the jatak would

> have

> > > > > been long gone. So this

phenomenon is from the past few years

> and I

> > > > > don't see evidence of its

unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent of the

cases. I am sure there will be one or

> two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will fit

perfectly. But as they say here in the

> great cold

> > > > > north, "One Robin

does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed information,

Divisionals were in vogue since

> the

> > > > days of Parasara, infact, right

at the start, he defined and

> gave

> > > > meaninings to all divisionals

upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > > saying that Maharishis defined

it and talked about it so that

> we can

> > > > pass our idle time or do you

think they had nothing better to

> do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past, AStrologers

have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for example Pt

Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY

calculate all divisions, and ... you

> would be

> > > > surprised, dasas upto deha

level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these calculations

consume a lot of time, and hence,

> they

> > > > would limit themselves to a

couple of charts. Most of the

> times,

> > > > these charts are prepared in

advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict themselves

> to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make

accurate predictions, and they do rely

> a lot

> > > > on their intuition. If we

restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> we

> > > > better hope and pray for good

solid intuition! Oh yes ... by

> the

> > > > way ... even those who

restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not

> lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna ... so on

and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious minded

& honest research is required to

> come up

> > > > with principles and then these

should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> is

> > > > in the process of doing it ...

although there is no formal

> process

> > > > for it. We will be taking this

matter seriously in the coming

> years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath

doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > > likes/expects his student to

think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes

easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters are

introduced to fit the event which is

> already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list some time

back one had an example of father's

> death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used 7th from

9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from 9th from

ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then one can

use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then aurdh of

9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> 12. It

> > > > > can get confusing very

fast.This way one can cover all 12

> rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the graha whose

dasha you are running at the time of

> the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be there in

one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi

Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

> must

> > > > have exprimented, just like

Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> with

> > > > idioms & principles. And

as I said before, I am not sure, if

> even

> > > > you have a fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, without

> > > > beating around the bush!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is ,test

priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > > consistent principle

applicable to atleast 75 percent

> cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle. Do not

make rules as you go based on the

> chart you

> > > > > have in front of you.BTW

there are principles that have been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV

Raman, master those first. Trust me

> they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should especially

be tested on the basis of

> probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said, if the

likelihood of an event happening is

> high

> > > > and if you give a numerous

paramters explaining the event,

> these

> > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they may

> be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the chara

dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> caused

> > > > birth of siblings!! I consider

that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005

15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied the same

logic in my chart and it shows something

> else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time when my car

was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa

of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second time I

met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and

> I was

> > > > > > running Aq-Li

Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the accidents

took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot apply any

of the principles that you stated in

> your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless there are

others, which can be applied, and you did

> not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you assist

here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 14, 1963

> > > > > >

Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >

Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N

18' 00"

> > > > >

>

Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R.

> Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > ----- Original

Message -----

> > > > > > > Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > To:

 

> > > > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > Subject:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay

Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D16 is the

chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

> under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is

some jist for analysing all yogas

> (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > 2.

6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > >

> will show for matters related to cars and

other

> sukha.

> > > > > > > > 3.

Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > >

> Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now for

Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add badhaka

sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birthdata

is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a

vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30

> pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA.

I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per D-16

Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta is the

badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It is the

12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also the 8th

house from the 4th house, showing

> problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are

into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> dasa

> > > > > > interpretation can

test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So it gives

its results in the first one-third. Its

> lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in a

seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second one-third.

The last one-third gives the results of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and aspectors. There

are four candidates and they are

> Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in

the order of longitudes. We divide the

> last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of the dasa

into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this order. The

result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug

1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and aspects the 4th

house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question resulted in

vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> an

> > > > > > accident in Dec

1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It was hit by

people twice when it was parked in a

> parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not see who

hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> these

> > > > > > repeated incidents,

I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in Sept 1997.

All these are due to the sub-period

> giving the

> > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect

on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of Ta, which

contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my annual

Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had

> Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h

(!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn antardasa as

per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6.

Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The technique

of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > > >

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light shine on us,

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