Praveenji < Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa(Re:Accident schematic)

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Dear Kartik,

Your input was most useful. But, first let me know about the phenomenon that

took place during 07/30/2001-2003 as asked by you originally.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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amoebabhu

vedic astrology

19, 03, 2005 4:00 PM

[vedic astrology] Praveenji < Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa(Re:Accident schematic)

Dear Praveenji, I have tried to answer your questions in detail as follows

(please tell me as to how you come to your conclusions as I am strongly

interested in understanding predictive astrology) :The native is male.1.) TOB :

18:12 (hospital records), DOB : 04/30/19812.) Margin of error : +/- 6 minutes3.)

Nature : Fair minded, balanced, lazy, changing interests Physical features :

6ft, athletic build.4.) Education : Engineering (07/1998-05/2002)

Masters (2002/08- present) with fellowship (changed to science instead of

engineering) Moved to the US in the 1st week of 08/02.5.)

Parents Profession : Father (High position Engineer/Manager in Defense),

Mother (Housewife & does social service, highly respected).6.) Parents Health :

Father is diabetic (some health problems for about a year since Jan 2004)Please

let me know if more details are required.Regards,Kartik--- In

vedic astrology, Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> Please

give following details:> 1) Source of TOB, that is recorded meticulously,

hospital record, rectified etc.> 2) Margin of error possible.> 3) Some past

trends / facts / events, may be other than you want to ask about. You may write

about your nature, education, profession, marriage / spouse if married /

relationship, good / bad periods of past, parents' profession / status, health

etc.> > I expect at least the sex of the native. However, with given data, 5th

house is activated. Hence, it may not be good for children / studies etc. Now,

the native being just 20 then, we conclude that the period was not good for

studies. This is mainly from Rasi chart. If the native is a female, the other

possibility is involvement in a typical love affair wherein issues related with

pregnancy are also involved. This is my impression, prima-facie.> > Praveen

Kumar (Mumbai) > > - > amoebabhu >

vedic astrology > 19, 03, 2005 8:59 AM> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)> > > >

Dear Panditji,> That was a lot of food for thought, I havent

considered it > that way and does open an interesting line of thinking (in my

mind > at least). For further clarification Panditji I would like your >

opinion on an example in which the divisional charts and the natal > chart

showed conflicting results (in my humble opinion) in two time > periods and I

wanted to know as to what your opinion would be > (essentially as to how you

would interpret this). The example is :> DOB : 04/30/1981 > Time : 18:12

+/- 6 mins (100%) (I have fixed a time of birth but > then I am not sure

about this, if required I will e-mail you the > details of some incidents to

fix the time of birth)> Place : Hyderabad, India> The times I am talking

about are 07/30/2001-2003.> and also the native is expecting some results

(good/bad) in the next > couple of months and according to me the divisional

charts showed > different results from the natal chart ( I might be

completely > wrong).> Please do not consider this as a test, this purely

for my > understanding and I would appreciate it if you would show me as to >

how you would decipher this.> Regards,> Kartik> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> >

namaste,> > > > Someone just sent me this. I am posting it here. The

gentleman who> > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have not asked his

permission to> > post it here but I thought this is in context with various >

divisional> > and other techniques we are debating. My apologies to Mr.

pradeep > if I> > am taking too many liberties here.> > > > ---> >

This mail only address my concerns regarding technical points. > > I think we

are missing the essence. Techniques that ease our > > calculation are a boon.

No one disagrees. For that reason we use > > software. But Jyotish is not

about technical sophistication. > > > > When we have a door and steps to

enter a house why should we use > our> > acrobatic skills and climb through

the sewage pipe, at the building> > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose of

door and steps) one can > > try climbing through sewage for a change.> > >

> But what is happening. One is not aware of the basics and goes > > directly

to sewage pipe. Many go directly to dashamsha whenever > > professional

matters are to be ascertained, even without knowing > how > > dashamsha is

derived. Many believe dashamsha as a division of the > > 10th house &

Navamsha as a division of the 9th house. I got > private > > mails. This is

certainly a bad trend.> > > > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for

professional matters, but > > there is no classical reference sanctioning the

usage of it as a > > chart. Moreover astronomically it is impossible. As per

Shri > > Narasimha sage has not even given the amsha tattwas - just the >

lords > > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha trikonas etc in >

> divisionals, when considering it as a chart itself is against > > rules?. >

> > > If we start stretching our legs before we sit, we will fall.> >

Unfortunately some techniques are taking one away from basics. If > we > >

have a good foundation, any number of floors can be erected on > top. > >

If our basement is weak, irrespective of how many techniques we > > have, the

structures can only collapse. One can keep and open mind > > and pick the good

from all sources. It is not necessary to accept > > all from one place and

leave the rest. I can learn from you and > vice > > versa may be one of the

best approaches. Please see this in the > > right spirit. I respect knowledge

from all,but do not accept > > anything blindly.> > > > Thanks> >

Pradeep> > -----> > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > > Namaste Kartik,> > > > > >

Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it > trumps all> >

> the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it > or the>

> > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to > divisional>

> > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said > to

use> > > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic >

argument> > > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use>

> > divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is > a> >

> Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 > axis is>

> > to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors > are> >

> adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not > going>

> > to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but > exalted>

> > in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the> > >

strengths ( not THE strength).> > > > > > Now about twins, every one talks

about it in connection with> > > divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an

exception and do not > go> > > formulating rules for exceptions, thats a

dangerous habit. I am > happy> > > if I can make good predictions in 75

percent of the cases. Also > I have> > > seen that navansha lagna if it

changes can make facial features> > > different in twins. Anyway people say

there are 100s or 1000s of> > > people born on the same day and time and

place. This is a > conjecture,> > > go and find hospital records and show

me statistical record of > how> > > many births tooks place at the same

place and same time.> > > > > > Talking about Parashar. He has given

avataars ..he says Moon is> > > Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So

is this the parashar > who> > > was son of vyas ? He did not say future

avataar of budhh, so that> > > shloka could mean that this was written at a

much later date or > it was> > > added to the original text at a later

date.He never mentions > about> > > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I

forget the name,( Hart > Defaw> > > mentionsi t).It is written in this

classic "When budh is in > quadrant> > > from Sun.." Now we know thats

anastronomical immpossibility.> > > > > > Anyway the point is one has to be

careful in deciphering what > was said> > > in ancient texts. There are

controversies in many areas of > jyotish and> > > in interpretation of

classics. My point is to use methods that > have> > > been tested on many

many horoscopes. I will be really surprised > that> > > people have

calculated so many divisional charts in the past. > May be> > > for well to

do who could pay money to have these elaborate > charts made> > >

precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon> > > rashi,

and navansh( Even this was added only if a client > insisted). In> > > the

north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the> > > western part

of India.> > > > > > Anyway> > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > On

Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu> > wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear Panditji,> > > > I have a question (and I do not

believe in > personalized> > > > arguements so nothing in what I will say

will have any personal> > > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi

charts and not > give much> > > > of consideration to divisionals, then

would it not be true > that a> > > > large number of people (a relative

terminology) would end up > with> > > > the same horoscope and one might be

a king and the other a > pauper (> > > > a theoretical comparison).Also what

about twins?> > > > Regards,> > > > Kartik> > > >> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Panditji > <navagraha@g...>> > > >> > >

> wrote:> > > > > Namaste Narayan,> > > > >> > > > > Looks like you are

taking sides to defend something that has > not> > > > been> > > > >

attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned > about> > > > >

divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of > parashar> > > >

you> > > > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you >

just> > > > had a> > > > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement

that > divisional> > > > came in> > > > > vogue after the advent of

computers and now even a novice > with one> > > > day> > > > > of

training or less can put them up and can write off pages > about> > > > >

which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi > dasha he> > > >

is> > > > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts >

is a> > > > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention >

was> > > > not> > > > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as

I do not > know> > > > his> > > > > teachings. What I commented is based

on what I have seen a > few on> > > > the> > > > > list who say they are

beginners just go on and on about > divisionals> > > > > and dashas in

divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put > out my> > > > > opinion

for others to read, they can make their own > judgements> > > > about> >

> > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5 > kinds of>

> > > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct > prediction, all>

> > > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach > that>

> > > has> > > > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am

not> > > > forcing> > > > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have

an opinion and > an> > > > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but

has been > taught by> > > > great> > > > > astrologers like KN RAo,

Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), > why> > > > should> > > > > you or

anyone feel threatened by it.> > > > >> > > > > People ask questions on

this list and if I have time and> > > > inclination I> > > > > answer to

the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I > have to> > > > put> >

> > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have > not> >

> > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. > But if I>

> > > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my > opinion.>

> > > Let> > > > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> methods> > > > may> > > > > be good for you, why are you threatened if

someone puts out > there> > > > > views on the subject.> > > > >> > > >

> Regards> > > > >> > > > > ...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, 19

Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer> > > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:>

> > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Panditji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:> > > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

These principles are a work in progress. It would > surprise me> > > > if>

> > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.> > > > > >> > > > > >

As with any field of knowledge, there are always > principles,> > > >

idioms,> > > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to>

> > > testing! On> > > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these

> principles have> > > > not> > > > > > been tested adequately?? It could

be entirely probable that> > > > these> > > > > > principles are a "work in

progress", for that matter no> > > > principles> > > > > > work 100% and

research is required! It could also be > entirely> > > > > > probable that

the chart could need some rectification. One> > > > should> > > > > > have

an open mind. For that matter, even your principles > are> > > > > >

subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats > the> > > >

matter,> > > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"> > > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came> > > > > > > into vogue

after the advent of computer programs which > made> > > > > > > calculation

of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the > time> > > > one> > > > > >

> calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak > would> > > >

have> > > > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few >

years> > > > and I> > > > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal

applicability or even> > > > > > > applicability> > > > > > > in 75 percent

of the cases. I am sure there will be one > or two> > > > > > charts> > >

> > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the > great> >

> > cold> > > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".> > > > > >>

> > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue > since>

> > > the> > > > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined

> and> > > > gave> > > > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or

Shastiamsa! Are > you> > > > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and

talked about it so > that we> > > > can> > > > > > pass our idle time or

do you think they had nothing better > to> > > > do???> > > > > >> > >

> > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of> > > > > >

calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of > Pt> > > >

Sanjay> > > > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ...

you> > > > would be> > > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is

the 6 levels > deep!> > > > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot

of time, and > hence,> > > > they> > > > > > would limit themselves to a

couple of charts. Most of the > times,> > > > > > these charts are prepared

in advance.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would

restrict > themselves to> > > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate

predictions, and they do > rely a> > > > lot> > > > > > on their

intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & > Navamsa,> > > > we> > > >

> > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... > by the> > >

> > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi & > Navamsa,> > >

> > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not> > > >

lagna,> > > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!> > > > > >>

> > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required > to> >

> > come up> > > > > > with principles and then these should be tested >

thoroughly. SJC> > > > is> > > > > > in the process of doing it ...

although there is no formal> > > > process> > > > > > for it. We will be

taking this matter seriously in the > coming> > > > years!> > > > > >>

> > > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon > feed ... he>

> > > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet > their> >

> > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds > CHARACTER!>

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > New parameters are

introduced to fit the event which is> > > > already> > > > > > known.> >

> > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of > father's> > >

> death.> > > > > > For> > > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in

dwadashansha. Now> > > > why ? Why> > > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi

in rashi chart ?Then why not > 2nd> > > > from> > > > > > 9th> > > > >

> > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one > does> > > >

not> > > > > > find> > > > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then

arudh of 9th > in D-> > > > 12. It> > > > > > > can get confusing very

fast.This way one can cover all 12> > > > rashis> > > > > > and I> > > >

> > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the > time of> > > >

the> > > > > > known> > > > > > > event will be there in one of those.> >

> > > >> > > > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He >

too must> > > > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and >

come up> > > > with> > > > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before,

I am not sure, > if> > > > even> > > > > > you have a fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, > without> > > > > > beating around the

bush!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My point is ,test

priciples on charts you have and > develop a> > > > > > > consistent

principle applicable to atleast 75 percent> > > > cases.Then> > > > > >

make> > > > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the >

chart> > > > you> > > > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles

that have > been> > > > > > developed> > > > > > > by peope like KN Rao,

BV Raman, master those first. > Trust me> > > > they> > > > > > work> >

> > > > > in majority of cases> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of> > > > probability,>

> > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event > happening is>

> > > high> > > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the

event, > these> > > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid,

although they > may be> > > > > > statistacally valid!!> > > > > >> > >

> > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri > Karak> > > >

caused> > > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a >

totally> > > > > > inadequate research!> > > > > >> > > > > > Warm

Regards> > > > > > Narayan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01> > > >

<mtravass@t...>> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Hi Narasimha,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I applied the same logic in

my chart and it shows > something> > > > else.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) > I was> > > > > >

running> > > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996 >

and I> > > > was> > > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East

of > GMT).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the

principles that you stated > in your> > > > > > email> > > > > > > >

unless there are others, which can be applied, and you > did> > > > not>

> > > > > state.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Could you assist here?> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mike> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

November 14, 1963> > > > > > > > Time: 14:03:00> > > > > > > >

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00",

15 N 18' 00"> > > > > > > > Margao, Goa, India> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---

In vedic astrology, "Narasimha > P.V.R.> > > > Rao"> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message -----> > > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16,

2005 11:53 PM> > > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

Accident > schematic)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > D16 is the

chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come > under> > > > > > this.> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas> > >

> (combinations) in> > > > > > D16> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 > should be> > > > > > taken

in> > > > > > > > D16.> > > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause

worries and anxieties> > > > > > respectively,> > > > > > > > in D16 they>

> > > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and > other> >

> > sukha.> > > > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.>

> > > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's >

mentioned> > > > above.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Add badhaka

sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential> > > > problem> > > > > > sign.>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm

(IST),> > > > > > Machilipatnam,> > > > > > > > India> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at > 6:30 pm>

> > > > > (EST),> > > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car >

was "totalled".> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana

dasa, this happened in Li-Ta> > > > antardasa.> > > > > > In my> > > > >

> > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th > lord> > > > >

> Mercury and> > > > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the

loss > of a> > > > > > vehicle.> > > > > > > > It is also the 8th house

from the 4th house, showing> > > > problems in> > > > > > > > sukha.> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of >

Narayana> > > > dasa> > > > > > > > interpretation can test that too.

Mahadasa sign Li is a> > > > > > seershodaya> > > > > > > > rasi. So it

gives its results in the first one-third. > Its> > > > lord> > > > > >

Venus> > > > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his >

results> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > second one-third. The

last one-third gives the results > of> > > > > > occupants> > > > > > > >

and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are > Venus,> > > > > >

Rahu,> > > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide >

the> > > > last> > > > > > one-> > > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4

equal parts and give them to > these> > > > 4> > > > > > planets> > > >

> > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa > sign> > > >

is> > > > > > given> > > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th

lord, occupies > badhaka> > > > > > sthana> > > > > > > > and aspects the

4th house of vehicles Libra. So the > sub-> > > > period> > > > > > in>

> > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I > have>

> > > an> > > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

> 1997> > > > > > suffered> > > > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice

when it was parked in a> > > > parking> > > > > > lot.> > > > > > > > I

did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. > After> > > > these> >

> > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and > bought> > >

> another> > > > > > new> > > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due

to the sub-period > giving> > > > the> > > > > > > > results of Rahu's

aspect on Li. It so happened that the> > > > > > antardasa was> > > > > > >

> also of Ta, which contains Rahu.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu > antardasa.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 > had Leo>

> > > > > rising,> > > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord

Saturn, Rahu > and> > > > Ketu.> > > > > > Saturn-> > > > > > > >

Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa > was> > > > running>

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