Lagna v/s Moon-Parthaji, Rathji and All

March 16, 2005

Dear Parthaji and Sanjay Rathji,

>From your experience of having seen so many charts, do you think

that it is correct? (please don't think I am trying to see it as

black or white, but I am just trying to learn here. thx.). ie. from

0-30 lagna , 30-60 moon lagna and 60-90 sun lagna should be used. in

case if we use these versions do the predictions or events come

true?. or if we use moon lagna for a person in between 30-60, then

his life happens according to graha positions from moon lagna

(atleast most of the times), is it correct?.

thanks

Ramesh

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

> Dear Imran

>

> I have read a different version(may be my grandfather mentions it)

> for 0-30-lagna

> 30-60-moon lagna

> 60-90-sun lagna

> 90 -120- navamsa lagna

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:41:16 +0530, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath@g...>

wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> > Dear Imran

> > Come on, you know better than that. What she wanted to say

probably was

> > 'Astrologers from eastern India, both Bengal and Orissa, not

ONLY use the

> > Lagna and Chandra Lagna but the Karaka Lagna as well'. The typo

is in red.

> > In fact the lagna is used for childhood, chandra lagna for

middle age and

> > surya lagna for old age. There are other systems for this as

well.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

> > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > New Delhi 110060, India

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> >

> > ________________________________

> > Muhammad Imran [astroimran]

> > Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:36 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna v/s Moon

> >

> > Respected Sarbani,

> >

> > This is amazing that eastern Indian school of jyotish do not

consider Lagna

> > and Moon, and solely consider Karaka Lagna (naisargik, sthira or

char ?).

> > Infact this added my little know-how about ancient jyotish

traditions.

> >

> > Replying to you, another confusion is raising in mind, and I

hope you would

> > answer. Does Karaka itself stand for particular physical entity

and their

> > specifics, viz, father, mother, brother etc. OR the house after

reckoned

> > from karaka. That is mother is to see from Moon OR 4th from

Moon. Father is

> > from the Sun OR 9th from the Sun.

> >

> > And what house should be taken to analyse specifics (general

matters, gain

> > or loss) of any entity. For example, what house should see for

education of

> > mother, Moon itself, OR 4th from Moon, OR 4th from 4th of Moon?

Similarly,

> > for profession of younger brother, 10th from Mars OR 12th (ie.

10th from

> > 3rd) from Mars should consider.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> >

> > M.Imran

> >

> > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Imran.

> >

> > Astrologers from eastern India, both Bengal and Orissa, not use

the Lagna

> > and Chandra Lagna but the Karaka Lagna.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Muhammad Imran [astroimran]

> > Monday, March 14, 2005 5:42 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna v/s Moon

> >

> > Dear Jagannath,

> >

> > Very good delineation. I am of your mind that chandra kundali

(moon chart)

> > should simultaneously analyze besides rashi from lagna. Not only

to know our

> > mental make-up but also for general phalit via dasha and gochar.

Specially

> > all udu(nakshatra) dasas can be very well interpreted from

Moon's position.

> >

> > I have also noticed, that people prefer Moon Chart over Rashi

when former is

> > stronger than later. Strength criteria 'may' include;

> >

> > i- Greater number of planets are occupied in kendar from Lagna

or Moon.

> > (Actually planets in kendara (1,4,7,10), panaphara(2,5,8,11) or

apoklima

> > (3,6,9,12) get weak respectively).

> > ii- Apects. That is, whether Lagna or the Moon is aspected by

greater number

> > of shubh grahas.

> > iii- Dispositor's relative strength. Which planet is stronger,

whether lagna

> > lord or the Moon sign lord (shubhpati), with respect to sign,

house, aspect,

> > amsa etc.

> >

> > These are roughly drawn criteria. For an exact order of finding

strength,

> > one should follow Narasimharao's VA-Integrated Approach or any

other

> > standard text.

> >

> > Apart from it, Moon chart has an special significance for

females and

> > childern cases, no matter, whether Lagna is stronger or weaker

than Moon.

> > And it should always consider.

> >

> > If you are looking the chart, w.r.t. Moon, then graha drishti

works better

> > than rashi drishti.

> > Another important fact is that take the Sun as refree b/w Langa

and Moon. If

> > Sun is occupied in a sign whose lord is natural friend of lagna

lord then

> > follow the Lagna rather Moon. But if the Sun sign lord is friend

of Moon

> > sign lord then prefer Chandra kundali over Lagna when

interpretting the

> > nakshatra dashas.

> >

> > Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter are friends of each other. (as they

are trinal

> > lords in natural zodiac)

> > Mercury, Venus and Saturn are friends of each other. (as they

are trinal

> > lords in natural zodiac)

> >

> > Regards,

> > M.Imran

> >

> > kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > May I add?.

> > Rishis called lagnam as "Vuir"which mears Life principle.Moon

sign as

> > "Vudal".Which means Body.

> > The Vimshottari dasha bhukthis are tuned, to the planetary

positions

> > ,planetary adi[pathyas etc etc,as in the case of lagnam, to the

Chandra

> > lagnam also.

> > Here is one example chart from the "saptha Rishi Nadi".to focus

on the

> > importance of Chandra lagnam.

> > The lagnam is Rishabham.Ketu in Leo,Venus and Mars in Libra,

Jupiter ,Sun

> > and Mercury in Scorpio, Saturn and Rahu in Aquarius and finally

Moon in

> > Aries.

> > The Rishi says that the native obtains a house in Chandra dasa

and Guru

> > bhukthi..Why.?Moon is the lord of the fourth house from Moon

himself.He has

> > Paksha balam.He is a Kendradhipathy who is placed in the lagna

Konam.?

> > Jupiter is an 'Adhi Yoga Karaka".He is the Bhagyadhipathy.He is

with the

> > fourth lord from lagnam namely the Sun and he aspects the fourth

house from

> > Moon sign.?

> > Suppose should we see from janma lagnam,

> > Ketu is in the fourth house.He is a malefic.He has no balam.?

Bhagyadhipathy

> > Saturn aspects Ketu and the fourth house.But his aspect is

malefic.He is

> > with Rahu.saturn aspects the fourth lord Sun and the fourth lord

from the

> > Moon sign namely Moon.Therefore Janma lagnam doesnt seem to have

necessary

> > strength to bless the native with a house.

> > Especially when the dasa in progress is one of Chandra dasa,the

planets

> > respond to thier placements and Adipathyas etc etc , from the

chandra

> > lagnam.

> > Your comments please.

> > regards,

> > jagannathan.

> > jyotraff <jyotraff> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > > I have read (and in fact even in this group) that predictions

> > should

> > > be made both from lagna and moon (and in fact some parts of

> > > tamilnadu they see it only from moon). but most of the people

here

> > > when they predict the events for others they try to predict it

> > only

> > > from lagna.

> >

> > We take it from Lagna and from Moon , but they have different

> > purposes.

> >

> > Can somebody please explain it to me why prediction from

> > > moon as lagna is not taken into account?

> >

> > Are taken. This maybe is Your generalization, because someone

doesnt

> > write about it..

> >

> > . do events or money or

> > > career come only from lagna and not from moon?.

> >

> > Yes, CandraLagna is for seeing things in perspective of

> > mind/feelings.

> >

> > with regards,

> > Rafal

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > Links

> >

> > Jagannathan .

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

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> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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> > ________________________________

> >

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> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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> partvinu.blogspot.com

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

speaks

> or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

> never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

March 16, 2005

Dear Ramesh

I have met many old people whose charts i have read, but did not

specifically use Surya lagna to make predictions.

What we are talking is rooted in the philosophical basis of our

existence. The trikona of lagna(body), Moon(mind), Sun(atma) decide

the way we perform our karma in the world. Scholars might have given

the the different grouping as people tend to mature with age. And

after 90 the mature person probably starts feeling that he is

instrument of divine will and hence navamsa lagna can be taken.

Again this is purely my speculation, and need not be the only way of

looking at things.

On a different note, Have you heard of padanathamsa and lagnamsaka

dasas?

best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "rambal9" <rambal9>

wrote:

>

> Dear Parthaji and Sanjay Rathji,

> From your experience of having seen so many charts, do you think

> that it is correct? (please don't think I am trying to see it as

> black or white, but I am just trying to learn here. thx.). ie. from

> 0-30 lagna , 30-60 moon lagna and 60-90 sun lagna should be used.

in

> case if we use these versions do the predictions or events come

> true?. or if we use moon lagna for a person in between 30-60, then

> his life happens according to graha positions from moon lagna

> (atleast most of the times), is it correct?.

>

> thanks

> Ramesh

>

> vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Imran

> >

> > I have read a different version(may be my grandfather mentions it)

> > for 0-30-lagna

> > 30-60-moon lagna

> > 60-90-sun lagna

> > 90 -120- navamsa lagna

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:41:16 +0530, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath@g...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > Dear Imran

> > > Come on, you know better than that. What she wanted to say

> probably was

> > > 'Astrologers from eastern India, both Bengal and Orissa, not

> ONLY use the

> > > Lagna and Chandra Lagna but the Karaka Lagna as well'. The typo

> is in red.

> > > In fact the lagna is used for childhood, chandra lagna for

> middle age and

> > > surya lagna for old age. There are other systems for this as

> well.

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Muhammad Imran [astroimran]

> > > Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:36 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna v/s Moon

> > >

> > > Respected Sarbani,

> > >

> > > This is amazing that eastern Indian school of jyotish do not

> consider Lagna

> > > and Moon, and solely consider Karaka Lagna (naisargik, sthira

or

> char ?).

> > > Infact this added my little know-how about ancient jyotish

> traditions.

> > >

> > > Replying to you, another confusion is raising in mind, and I

> hope you would

> > > answer. Does Karaka itself stand for particular physical entity

> and their

> > > specifics, viz, father, mother, brother etc. OR the house after

> reckoned

> > > from karaka. That is mother is to see from Moon OR 4th from

> Moon. Father is

> > > from the Sun OR 9th from the Sun.

> > >

> > > And what house should be taken to analyse specifics (general

> matters, gain

> > > or loss) of any entity. For example, what house should see for

> education of

> > > mother, Moon itself, OR 4th from Moon, OR 4th from 4th of Moon?

> Similarly,

> > > for profession of younger brother, 10th from Mars OR 12th (ie.

> 10th from

> > > 3rd) from Mars should consider.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards,

> > >

> > > M.Imran

> > >

> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Imran.

> > >

> > > Astrologers from eastern India, both Bengal and Orissa, not use

> the Lagna

> > > and Chandra Lagna but the Karaka Lagna.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Muhammad Imran [astroimran]

> > > Monday, March 14, 2005 5:42 PM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna v/s Moon

> > >

> > > Dear Jagannath,

> > >

> > > Very good delineation. I am of your mind that chandra kundali

> (moon chart)

> > > should simultaneously analyze besides rashi from lagna. Not

only

> to know our

> > > mental make-up but also for general phalit via dasha and

gochar.

> Specially

> > > all udu(nakshatra) dasas can be very well interpreted from

> Moon's position.

> > >

> > > I have also noticed, that people prefer Moon Chart over Rashi

> when former is

> > > stronger than later. Strength criteria 'may' include;

> > >

> > > i- Greater number of planets are occupied in kendar from Lagna

> or Moon.

> > > (Actually planets in kendara (1,4,7,10), panaphara(2,5,8,11) or

> apoklima

> > > (3,6,9,12) get weak respectively).

> > > ii- Apects. That is, whether Lagna or the Moon is aspected by

> greater number

> > > of shubh grahas.

> > > iii- Dispositor's relative strength. Which planet is stronger,

> whether lagna

> > > lord or the Moon sign lord (shubhpati), with respect to sign,

> house, aspect,

> > > amsa etc.

> > >

> > > These are roughly drawn criteria. For an exact order of finding

> strength,

> > > one should follow Narasimharao's VA-Integrated Approach or any

> other

> > > standard text.

> > >

> > > Apart from it, Moon chart has an special significance for

> females and

> > > childern cases, no matter, whether Lagna is stronger or weaker

> than Moon.

> > > And it should always consider.

> > >

> > > If you are looking the chart, w.r.t. Moon, then graha drishti

> works better

> > > than rashi drishti.

> > > Another important fact is that take the Sun as refree b/w Langa

> and Moon. If

> > > Sun is occupied in a sign whose lord is natural friend of lagna

> lord then

> > > follow the Lagna rather Moon. But if the Sun sign lord is

friend

> of Moon

> > > sign lord then prefer Chandra kundali over Lagna when

> interpretting the

> > > nakshatra dashas.

> > >

> > > Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter are friends of each other. (as they

> are trinal

> > > lords in natural zodiac)

> > > Mercury, Venus and Saturn are friends of each other. (as they

> are trinal

> > > lords in natural zodiac)

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > M.Imran

> > >

> > > kapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > May I add?.

> > > Rishis called lagnam as "Vuir"which mears Life principle.Moon

> sign as

> > > "Vudal".Which means Body.

> > > The Vimshottari dasha bhukthis are tuned, to the planetary

> positions

> > > ,planetary adi[pathyas etc etc,as in the case of lagnam, to the

> Chandra

> > > lagnam also.

> > > Here is one example chart from the "saptha Rishi Nadi".to focus

> on the

> > > importance of Chandra lagnam.

> > > The lagnam is Rishabham.Ketu in Leo,Venus and Mars in Libra,

> Jupiter ,Sun

> > > and Mercury in Scorpio, Saturn and Rahu in Aquarius and finally

> Moon in

> > > Aries.

> > > The Rishi says that the native obtains a house in Chandra dasa

> and Guru

> > > bhukthi..Why.?Moon is the lord of the fourth house from Moon

> himself.He has

> > > Paksha balam.He is a Kendradhipathy who is placed in the lagna

> Konam.?

> > > Jupiter is an 'Adhi Yoga Karaka".He is the Bhagyadhipathy.He is

> with the

> > > fourth lord from lagnam namely the Sun and he aspects the

fourth

> house from

> > > Moon sign.?

> > > Suppose should we see from janma lagnam,

> > > Ketu is in the fourth house.He is a malefic.He has no balam.?

> Bhagyadhipathy

> > > Saturn aspects Ketu and the fourth house.But his aspect is

> malefic.He is

> > > with Rahu.saturn aspects the fourth lord Sun and the fourth

lord

> from the

> > > Moon sign namely Moon.Therefore Janma lagnam doesnt seem to

have

> necessary

> > > strength to bless the native with a house.

> > > Especially when the dasa in progress is one of Chandra dasa,the

> planets

> > > respond to thier placements and Adipathyas etc etc , from the

> chandra

> > > lagnam.

> > > Your comments please.

> > > regards,

> > > jagannathan.

> > > jyotraff <jyotraff> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > > I have read (and in fact even in this group) that predictions

> > > should

> > > > be made both from lagna and moon (and in fact some parts of

> > > > tamilnadu they see it only from moon). but most of the people

> here

> > > > when they predict the events for others they try to predict

it

> > > only

> > > > from lagna.

> > >

> > > We take it from Lagna and from Moon , but they have different

> > > purposes.

> > >

> > > Can somebody please explain it to me why prediction from

> > > > moon as lagna is not taken into account?

> > >

> > > Are taken. This maybe is Your generalization, because someone

> doesnt

> > > write about it..

> > >

> > > . do events or money or

> > > > career come only from lagna and not from moon?.

> > >

> > > Yes, CandraLagna is for seeing things in perspective of

> > > mind/feelings.

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > > Rafal

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > Links

> > >

> > > Jagannathan .

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > > Children International

> > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need?

> > >

> > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl

> > > And Give Her Hope

> > > ·Click Here to meet a Boy

> > > And Change His Life

> > >

> > > Learn More

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Links

> > >

> > > vedic astrology/

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Terms of

> Service.

> > >

> >

> > --

> > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > partvinu.blogspot.com

> >

> > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man

> speaks

> > or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> > acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow

that

> > never leaves him.

> > -----Buddha

> >

> > Plot.no.71

> > Road No.3

> > Nagarjuna Hills

> > Hyderabad

> > India-500 082

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