Rahu and Ketu can be controlled by the Human beings through meditations ? Is it True

March 14, 2005

Dear All,

I read that one can control the maleifcness of Rahu and Ketu by doing

meditations .

..Is it true ? please shed more light on this.

Regds,

Ramki

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Prabodh Vekhande [amolmandar]

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:50 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Shaukat Aziz (PM Pakistan)

Dear Partha Namste

I miised this mail. I never had any problems with you but possibly

with your writting. You should be a Guru or not is not my problem. I

have nothing to say about this. I respect Sanjay ji decision on this

account.

When I say that you tend to be in parent state then I mean it. So far

as I feel(bacause of your writtings) it I will say it. There is no

point is using the language "please desist from making radical

statements, and think twice before writing anything." This way you try

to act smart. This is childish! (Now you are getting in Child state as

well!) Instead think why am I saying this to you.

I have no problems if anybody follows you. On the other hand I pray

that let there be more and more people follow you.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Prabodh

>

> I have clarified in my later mails that one needs to start with the

> simple techniques before advancing to the hihger raja yoga techniques.

> Probably you did not read that mail which i wrote to Ved Ram.

>

> The point i made was that Sadhana is required to understand Rahu and i

> stand by my word. If you feel that i am not adhering to your thinking

> then it is fine with me.

>

> The first mail i wrote on this subject was not directed to you. You

> jumped in between without even addressing me when it was clear to all

> and sundry that you were commenting on my mail.

>

> If you feel that i make mistakes, i am not fit for being jyotish guru

> etc, then that is purely your opinion. There were many who felt like

> that since the last three years and have told me. I respect such

> opinions, because it is only an opinion.

>

> Similarly when i say that Sadhana is required to understand Rahu, then

> it purely my opinion, and i am not forcing anyone to follow me. Is it

> my problem if people follow me?,

>

> No one is asking anyone to do anything by force. All the talk of

> medieval brahminism is totally out of place. You keep repeating that i

> acted like parent, which again i state is your perception.

> Many feel that i act like a friend, many feel that i act like a

> policeman. That is their perception. I cannot please all the people

> all the time. Thus please desist from making radical statements, and

> think twice before writing anything.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> PS to list:- Age doesnot matter for Jyotish or infact any sort of

> spiritual learning. If some people think that they are 70 year old and

> are more knowledgeable or respectful than the younger lot just because

> of the age factor, then my two hoots for such an attitude. I just dont

> care for the age. What matters is spiritual splendor and nothing else.

> I would not hesitate to bow down to a five year old if he shows me

> door to enlightenment or gives people atma gyan.

>

> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:01:30 +0530, Prabodh Vekhande

> <prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Partha Namaste

> > I may not be aware of the true meaning of the word Sadhana but I know

> > that there are several ways it can be done and some important ones are

> > 1)Gyana Marga2)Dhyana Marga 3) Asthanga Yoga Marga 4) Bhakti Marga 5)

> > KArmaYoga marga 6) Mantrayoga Marga 7) MahaYoga or Shaktipata Marga 8)

> > Layayoga Marga 9) Hatha Yoga 10) Kriya yoga Marga.

> > These are some known ways in which people perform their Sadhana.

If you

> > say that simple concentration and increasing memory power is also

> > Sadhana then possibly you have some new way of Sadhana not

supported by

> > standard scriptures. When you are doing Sadhana it has to be from

these

> > main types. Anybody will agree that the word Sadhana has the religious

> > conotations. Why are you creating diversions by saying that there is a

> > simple Sadhana and for that no initiation is required? Not every body

> > goes for the Sadhana but only who is told by some one does that.

Usually

> > it is told by a traditional(Parampara) Guru who initiates this. The

> > words like Sadhana , advanced Sadhana , simple meditation, advanced

> > meditation create problems in Jyotish as it creates unnecessary

> > confusion. It is typical medieval brahmanical attitude. If you are

> > spiritual then only you will understand else not is what medieval

> > brhamins used to say. That way they kept one complete section of

society

> > deprived of knowledge. Why do you want to associate 'some kind of

> > sadhana' to understand Jyotish? BTW to understand AK as Rahu do we

> > require to do Sadhana of Rahu? Concentrate on Rahu? I think you are

> > extending it too far.

> >

> > Ofcourse you can continue to nurture yourself according to your

Sadhana.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Partha Sarathy wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Prabodh

> > >

> > >Sadhana can mean simple practices which include concentration and

> > >increasing memoery power. One need not be initiated to do simple yoga

> > >and concentration. One who wants to do advanced level of yoga

needs to

> > >be initiated. I am aware of the words that i use. Sometimes some

> > >people might say that they are "meditating" on a problem. Does it

mean

> > >that they are doing meditation?

> > >Many people have thought that sadhana relates to religion and

spirituality only.

> > > But it is not so. Increasing concentration and memory power is not

> > >related to any religion or spiritual practice. If you ever done

> > >advanced meditation, you would not have raised a doubt in the first

> > >place as to the meaning of sadhana. I have clearly mentioned in my

> > >mail , please re read again , it says "some type of sadhana". Now

what

> > >does some type of sadhana mean?

> > >Please dont assume things and come to conclusions fast.

> > >best wishes

> > >partha

> > >

> > >On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:59:31 +0530, Prabodh Vekhande

> > ><prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > >>Dear Partha Namste

> > >>In the first mail it is said:

> > >><>"Rahu <>as AK cannot be understood unless one has done some

type of

> > >>sadhana"

> > >>

> > >>Then in the next it becomes:

> > >>"All i said was one has to do sadhana to understand rahu."

> > >>

> > >>The differnece in the statement is subtle but clear!

> > >>

> > >>Those who understand the word Sadhana will know that it is some how

> > >>related to religion and spirituality. Those who are initiated by

Gurus

> > >>get in to Sadhana and Dhyan. The Guru always have a tradition

and hence

> > >>whole affair becomes traditional!

> > >><><>I may be wrong in my interpretations but mail had subtle

> > >>'traditional' direction. I have no problems with you but

unnecessary use

> > >>of spiritual technical words like 'Sadhana', 'Kundalini', etc

makes the

> > >>Jyotish difficult for many like me. Thats why I wrote it.

> > >>Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >>

> > >>Prabodh Vekhande

> > >>Jai Jai Shankar

> > >>Har Har Shankar

> > >>

> > >>V.Partha sarathy wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>Hello Sir

> > >>>

> > >>>Does my mail say anything about tradition? Does my mail say

anything

> > >>>about religion? What is your problem . You dont even seem to

have the

> > >>>patience to read the mails properly,. All i said was one has to do

> > >>>sadhana to understand rahu. It is only an opinion. What is there to

> > >>>crib about.

> > >>>best wishes

> > >>>partha

> > >>>

> > >>>vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande

> > >>><prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>Earlier people used to say that for accurate and consistant

> > >>>>

> > >>>predictions

> > >>>

> > >>>>one should be religious and little bit spiritual. But people now

> > >>>>

> > >>>have

> > >>>

> > >>>>become so casual in use of words that they have started suggesting

> > >>>>spiritual(Sadhana) approach towards learning jyotish as well! So

> > >>>>

> > >>>the

> > >>>

> > >>>>person who is from the tradition will be naturally considered as

> > >>>>'spiritual' and hence qualifies to understand advanced spiritual

> > >>>>

> > >>>aspects

> > >>>

> > >>>>of Vedic Jyotish! Others not from the traditions will be naturally

> > >>>>disqualified! What a simple logic? I think this is jaundiced eye

> > >>>>

> > >>>vision.

> > >>>

> > >>>>Very soon we will have Advanced Spiritual Vedic Astrology(ASVA)!

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Prabodh Vekhande

> > >>>>Jai Jai Shankar

> > >>>>Har Har Shankar

> > >>>>

> > >>>>V.Partha sarathy wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>This debate has been raged for the last few years, it is a futile

> > >>>>>attempt to convince the "other school" of the thoughts of one

> > >>>>>

> > >>>school.

> > >>>

> > >>>>>People who follow 8 karaka scheme will continue to follow it.

Rahu

> > >>>>>

> > >>>as

> > >>>

> > >>>>>AK cannot be understood unless one has done some type of sadhana

> > >>>>>best

> > >>>>>partha

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> > >>>>>wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>Namaste,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>I had wanted to talk about 7 chara karaka scheme. However, I do

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>not

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>have the shloka to back up the seven karaka scheme. I leaned

from

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>my

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>jyotish guru that one must use only seven karakas. Now one

has to

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>be

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>careful, when I say say seven karakas , I really mean seven

> > >>>>>>karakatwas. One may have to use 8 karakas but only seven

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>karakatwas

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>exist. Let me explain...The anomaly is because of rahu. Should

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>rahu

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>be

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>used as one of the karakas ? Jaimini has said ( Again please

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>don't

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>ask

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>me to quote the shloka, as I can not and I am paraphrasing

what I

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>was

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>taught) Rahu CAN NOT be atmakaraka. So whats the need for

rahu to

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>be

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>one of the karakas ? Well if two planets are at the smae degree

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>that

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>can become atma karaka, then one needs to go to the minutes to

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>decide

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>who is atmakara. Now having done that the one that gets defeated

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>in

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>this has to be discarded, now one only is left with a total

of six

> > >>>>>>karakas including the atmakaraka. So we have six karaakas and

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>seven

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>karakatwas this is when and only when one brings in rahu. If the

> > >>>>>>selection of atmakaraka does not eleminate one graha then one

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>will

> > >>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>not

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>need rahu. So in general scheme rahu is mostly not required.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>...

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:53:14 -0800 (PST), Muhammad Imran

> > >>>>>><astroimran> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Praveen Kumar,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>As ususal, you seem skeptic. Here are the answers of

> > >>>>>>>your arguments.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>The time of birth is quite certain as the native

> > >>>>>>>himself told this. And I did not use parshan or wild

> > >>>>>>>speculation to attain this birth time.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Secondly, the time zone of Pakistan was not

> > >>>>>>>immediately changed after independance, but it was

> > >>>>>>>firstly redefined in 1951 and then in 1954.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>For the sake of your kind information, I am giving the

> > >>>>>>>chronology of official time zone details for Pakistan.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Time Zone Pakistan

> > >>>>>>>-------------

> > >>>>>>>Date/Time of Implementation Time Zone

> > >>>>>>>-------------

> > >>>>>>>01-Jan-1906, 12:00 am. 5:30 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>01-Sep-1942, 12:00 am. 6:30 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>15-Oct-1945, 12:00 am. 5:30 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>01-Sep-1951, 12:00 am. 4:30 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>01-May-1954, 12:00 am. 5:00 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>06-Apr-2002, 12:00 am. 6:00 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>01-Oct-2002, 12:00 am. 5:00 hours east of GMT

> > >>>>>>>-------------

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Apart from it, this may possible that 8 chara karaka

> > >>>>>>>scheme did not work in your experience. But if you

> > >>>>>>>critique, then please let us enlighten the alternative

> > >>>>>>>methodology with concrete foundation.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>You have opined that K.N.Rao's approach may prove

> > >>>>>>>helpful in solving the puzzle of Sade-Sati. Ok, let me

> > >>>>>>>explain the method, I will try unbiasedly and

> > >>>>>>>impartially.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Thanks,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>M.Imran

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>--- Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>First, are you sure about TOB ? What is the source ?

> > >>>>>>>>Then, was the time zone for Pakistan 05:30 in 1949,

> > >>>>>>>>even after independence as I know it to be 05:00 hrs

> > >>>>>>>>now.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>However, it appeals me, prima-facie. Give some

> > >>>>>>>>non-political and personal events, if known. You can

> > >>>>>>>>get solution to all your puzzles if you follow

> > >>>>>>>>K.N.Rao's methods. Concepts like 8 Karakas, AL is

> > >>>>>>>>perception etc are faulty in my opinion and

> > >>>>>>>>experience. I feel you may fare as a brilliant

> > >>>>>>>>astrologer.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

> > >>>>>>>>-

> > >>>>>>>>Muhammad Imran

> > >>>>>>>>vedic astrology ;

> > >>>>>>>>hanskpvedic

> > >>>>>>>>Cc:

> > >>>>>>>>10, 03, 2005 11:08 PM

> > >>>>>>>>[vedic astrology] Chart of Shaukat Aziz

> > >>>>>>>>(PM Pakistan)

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Dear List,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Those interested in mundane astrology and

> > >>>>>>>>celebrities'

> > >>>>>>>>chart would find the horoscope of Shaukat Aziz,

> > >>>>>>>>prime

> > >>>>>>>>minister of Pakistan, as an interesting addition

> > >>>>>>>>in

> > >>>>>>>>their folder.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> March 6, 1949

> > >>>>>>>>Time: 9:53:00 am

> > >>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >>>>>>>>Place: 67 E 03' 00", 24 N 52' 00"

> > >>>>>>>> Karachi, Pakistan

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Lagna 11 Ar 43' 29.25" Aswi 4

> > >>>>>>>>Sun - MK 22 Aq 08' 28.92" PBha 1

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Moon - DK 0 Ta 51' 10.39" Krit 2

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Mars - BK 24 Aq 33' 29.46" PBha 2

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Mercury - AK 25 Cp 51' 23.55" Dhan 1

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter - GK 1 Cp 09' 47.55" USha 2

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Venus - PiK 11 Aq 34' 58.27" Sata 2

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Saturn ® - PK 8 Le 39' 21.79" Magh 3

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 4 Ar 53' 44.02" Aswi 2

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Ketu 4 Li 53' 44.02" Chit 4

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Rasi

> > >>>>>>>>+--------------+

> > >>>>>>>>| \ HL / \ / |

> > >>>>>>>>| \ Mo / \ / |

> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ / |

> > >>>>>>>>| \ / Ra \ / |

> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ / Ve |

> > >>>>>>>>| x As x Ma Su |

> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |

> > >>>>>>>>| / Gk \ 1 / Ju \ |

> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |

> > >>>>>>>>| Md x Me |

> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ / |

> > >>>>>>>>|SaR GL x Ke x AL |

> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |

> > >>>>>>>>+--------------+

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>His chart reveals many unique planetary

> > >>>>>>>>combinations.

> > >>>>>>>>Most of the planets are occupied in panaphara

> > >>>>>>>>bhavas

> > >>>>>>>>(2,5,8,11). Note the vacant trik (6th, 8th, 12th)

> > >>>>>>>>bhavas. He is graduate of IBA Karachi University

> > >>>>>>>>and a

> > >>>>>>>>world renowned banker. The 10th house is tenanted

> > >>>>>>>>by

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter and Mercury while 10th lord Saturn is into

> > >>>>>>>>navamsha of Mercury, and falls in Deva amsa. Rahu

> > >>>>>>>>as

> > >>>>>>>>Amatya karaka and the producer of Raja-Sambhanda

> > >>>>>>>>yogada, gave services in international

> > >>>>>>>>institutions

> > >>>>>>>>during its maha dasha.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>As mentioned earlier, many planets are in

> > >>>>>>>>panaphara

> > >>>>>>>>(2,5,8,11) from lagna but the picutre reverse if

> > >>>>>>>>seen

> > >>>>>>>>from AL. That is, most of planets are in Apoklima

> > >>>>>>>>(3,6,9,12). This contrast, speaks a person, who is

> > >>>>>>>>socially perceives as humble and knowledgable but

> > >>>>>>>>infact who is very persistant, parsimonious and

> > >>>>>>>>wealthy.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>He rose exponentially in the Jupiter maha dasha

> > >>>>>>>>(1988-2004). Initial two phases (i.e. first 6

> > >>>>>>>>antar

> > >>>>>>>>dasas) in Jupiter maha dasha gave him professional

> > >>>>>>>>success and he attaied the post of Executive Vice

> > >>>>>>>>President of City Bank USA. While the last phase

> > >>>>>>>>of

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter dasha yielded him ministerial status. In

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter-Moon (November 1999) he became Finance

> > >>>>>>>>Minister. Though Jupiter is debiliated in 10th

> > >>>>>>>>house,

> > >>>>>>>>but there exists Neech Bhanga yoga as Venus (and

> > >>>>>>>>also

> > >>>>>>>>Mars) are placed in angle from the exalted Moon.

> > >>>>>>>>In

> > >>>>>>>>the year 2001 (Jup-Mar), he was declared 'World

> > >>>>>>>>Finance Minister of the Year' by Euromoney and

> > >>>>>>>>Banker's Magazine.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Amazingly, the theory of Tara pretends ineffective

> > >>>>>>>>here. Jupiter not only lords the inauspicious

> > >>>>>>>>Pratyak

> > >>>>>>>>tara (5th star from Moon's star) but also placed

> > >>>>>>>>in

> > >>>>>>>>trine to Janma tara(1st start). Though sign-wise

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter is very weak in many vargas. But it is

> > >>>>>>>>closely

> > >>>>>>>>connected with the Moon, both in Rashi and

> > >>>>>>>>Navamsha.

> > >>>>>>>>In my humble view, the notion of dispositor works

> > >>>>>>>>well

> > >>>>>>>>here. Sign dispositor, Nakshatar dispositor, and

> > >>>>>>>>Amsha

> > >>>>>>>>dispositor are stand for physical, mental and

> > >>>>>>>>spiritual trinity.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's Sign Dispositor: Saturn

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's Nakshatra Dispositor: Saturn

> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's Amsa Dispositor: Sun

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Here neither of the dispositor is in dushtan bhava

> > >>>>>>>>or

> > >>>>>>>>weak, and both Saturn and Sun are involved in

> > >>>>>>>>parivartana. Hence Jupiter maha dasha resulted in

> > >>>>>>>>all

> > >>>>>>>>around auspiciousness and abundance of wealth.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>The beginning of Saturn maha dasha led to an

> > >>>>>>>>unexpected rise. When he was nominated for the

> > >>>>>>>>position of Prime Minister after the resignation

> > >>>>>>>>of

> > >>>>>>>>Zafarullah Khan Jamali on June 6, 2004, and became

> > >>>>>>>>Prime Minister on August 28, 2004, in Sat-Sat-Sat.

> > >>>>>>>>At

> > >>>>>>>>the same time transit Jupiter was entered in his

> > >>>>>>>>5th

> > >>>>>>>>house-Virgo from the radix Moon.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Saturn is making sign-interchange

> > >>>>>>>>(rashi-parivartan)

> > >>>>>>>>with the Sun. The interchange b/w trinal and

> > >>>>>>>>quadrant

> > >>>>>>>>lords results in Maha yoga (one of the 3 types of

> > >>>>>>>>parivartana yogas). Therefor in Saturn dasha he

> > >>>>>>>>would

> > >>>>>>>>probabily get the effect of Leo-Sun. But it is

> > >>>>>>>>also a

> > >>>>>>>>matter of fact that parivartana b/w natural

> > >>>>>>>>enemies is

> > >>>>>>>>not a desirable combination, as they bring mental

> > >>>>>>>>agony and inner dis-satisfaction. As a result, on

> > >>>>>>>>July

> > >>>>>>>>29, 2004, he survived an assassination attempt in

> > >>>>>>>>the

> > >>>>>>>>town of Fateh Jang during election campaign, when

> > >>>>>>>>Sat-Sat-Sat-Sun was running.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>In Rashi, Saturn as Putra-karak is placed in 7th

> > >>>>>>>>Atma-karak Mercury, and trine to Amatya karaka

> > >>>>>>>>Rahu.

> > >>>>>>>>It again becomes yogada due to its association

> > >>>>>>>>with GL

> > >>>>>>>>and HL. It is conjoined with GL (power, status)

> > >>>>>>>>and

> > >>>>>>>>cast rashi drishti to Lagna and graha drishti to

> > >>>>>>>>HL.

> > >>>>>>>>While in D-10 chart, exalted Saturn as dashamsa

> > >>>>>>>>shubpati, occupied in kendara to AL, D-10 lagna

> > >>>>>>>>and

> > >>>>>>>>the Moon. All these factors tell his story of

> > >>>>>>>>success.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>An another astonishing matter is that he got

> > >>>>>>>>status,

> > >>>>>>>>ministership and power during second Sade Sati !

> > >>>>>>>>This

> > >>>>>>>>is a puzzle, I am unable to solve. May be experts

> > >>>>>>>>better explain the reason.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>Regards,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>M.Imran

> > >>>>>>>>(Karachi)

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Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramakrishna

You can control all maleficence by doing meditation. Point is what are yo defining as malefic.

The Srimad Bhagavatam and all puranas clearly speak of meditating with 'OM' -

100% success is guaranteed as it gives moksha and you will be fully free from

all troubles. On a more mundane level,

shriiM - Moon bija helps to get over the nodal influence

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2005 12:19 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Rahu

and Ketu can be controlled by the Human beings through meditations ? Is it True

Dear All,I read that one can control the maleifcness of Rahu and Ketu by

doingmeditations ..Is it true ? please shed more light on

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Message-----Prabodh Vekhande [amolmandar ]Tuesday,

March 15, 2005 10:50 AMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Chart of Shaukat Aziz (PM Pakistan)Dear Partha NamsteI

miised this mail. I never had any problems with you but possiblywith your

writting. You should be a Guru or not is not my problem. Ihave nothing to say

about this. I respect Sanjay ji decision on thisaccount.When I say that you

tend to be in parent state then I mean it. So faras I feel(bacause of your

writtings) it I will say it. There is nopoint is using the language "please

desist from making radicalstatements, and think twice before writing anything."

This way you tryto act smart. This is childish! (Now you are getting in Child

state aswell!) Instead think why am I saying this to you.I have no problems if

anybody follows you. On the other hand I praythat let there be more and more

people follow you.Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai

ShankarHar Har Shankarvedic astrology, Partha Sarathy

<partvinu@g...>wrote:> Dear Prabodh>> I have clarified in my later mails that

one needs to start with the> simple techniques before advancing to the hihger

raja yoga techniques.> Probably you did not read that mail which i wrote to Ved

Ram.>> The point i made was that Sadhana is required to understand Rahu and i>

stand by my word. If you feel that i am not adhering to your thinking> then it

is fine with me.>> The first mail i wrote on this subject was not directed to

you. You> jumped in between without even addressing me when it was clear to

all> and sundry that you were commenting on my mail.>> If you feel that i make

mistakes, i am not fit for being jyotish guru> etc, then that is purely your

opinion. There were many who felt like> that since the last three years and

have told me. I respect such> opinions, because it is only an opinion.>>

Similarly when i say that Sadhana is required to understand Rahu, then> it

purely my opinion, and i am not forcing anyone to follow me. Is it> my problem

if people follow me?,>> No one is asking anyone to do anything by force. All

the talk of> medieval brahminism is totally out of place. You keep repeating

that i> acted like parent, which again i state is your perception.> Many feel

that i act like a friend, many feel that i act like a> policeman. That is their

perception. I cannot please all the people> all the time. Thus please desist

from making radical statements, and> think twice before writing anything.>>

best wishes> partha>> PS to list:- Age doesnot matter for Jyotish or infact any

sort of> spiritual learning. If some people think that they are 70 year old and>

are more knowledgeable or respectful than the younger lot just because> of the

age factor, then my two hoots for such an attitude. I just dont> care for the

age. What matters is spiritual splendor and nothing else.> I would not hesitate

to bow down to a five year old if he shows me> door to enlightenment or gives

people atma gyan.>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:01:30 +0530, Prabodh Vekhande>

<prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:> >> > Dear Partha Namaste> > I may not be aware

of the true meaning of the word Sadhana but I know> > that there are several

ways it can be done and some important ones are> > 1)Gyana Marga2)Dhyana Marga

3) Asthanga Yoga Marga 4) Bhakti Marga 5)> > KArmaYoga marga 6) Mantrayoga

Marga 7) MahaYoga or Shaktipata Marga 8)> > Layayoga Marga 9) Hatha Yoga 10)

Kriya yoga Marga.> > These are some known ways in which people perform their

Sadhana.If you> > say that simple concentration and increasing memory power is

also> > Sadhana then possibly you have some new way of Sadhana notsupported by>

> standard scriptures. When you are doing Sadhana it has to be fromthese> >

main types. Anybody will agree that the word Sadhana has the religious> >

conotations. Why are you creating diversions by saying that there is a> >

simple Sadhana and for that no initiation is required? Not every body> > goes

for the Sadhana but only who is told by some one does that.Usually> > it is

told by a traditional(Parampara) Guru who initiates this. The> > words like

Sadhana , advanced Sadhana , simple meditation, advanced> > meditation create

problems in Jyotish as it creates unnecessary> > confusion. It is typical

medieval brahmanical attitude. If you are> > spiritual then only you will

understand else not is what medieval> > brhamins used to say. That way they

kept one complete section ofsociety> > deprived of knowledge. Why do you want

to associate 'some kind of> > sadhana' to understand Jyotish? BTW to understand

AK as Rahu do we> > require to do Sadhana of Rahu? Concentrate on Rahu? I think

you are> > extending it too far.> >> > Ofcourse you can continue to nurture

yourself according to yourSadhana.> >> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.>

>> > Prabodh Vekhande> > Jai Jai Shankar> > Har Har Shankar> >> > Partha Sarathy

wrote:> >> > >Dear Prabodh> > >> > >Sadhana can mean simple practices which

include concentration and> > >increasing memoery power. One need not be

initiated to do simple yoga> > >and concentration. One who wants to do advanced

level of yoganeeds to> > >be initiated. I am aware of the words that i use.

Sometimes some> > >people might say that they are "meditating" on a problem.

Does itmean> > >that they are doing meditation?> > >Many people have thought

that sadhana relates to religion andspirituality only.> > > But it is not so.

Increasing concentration and memory power is not> > >related to any religion or

spiritual practice. If you ever done> > >advanced meditation, you would not have

raised a doubt in the first> > >place as to the meaning of sadhana. I have

clearly mentioned in my> > >mail , please re read again , it says "some type of

sadhana". Nowwhat> > >does some type of sadhana mean?> > >Please dont assume

things and come to conclusions fast.> > >best wishes> > >partha> > >> > >> > >>

> >On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:59:31 +0530, Prabodh Vekhande> >

><prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:> > >> > >> > >>Dear Partha Namste> > >>In the

first mail it is said:> > >><>"Rahu <>as AK cannot be understood unless one has

done sometype of> > >>sadhana"> > >>> > >>Then in the next it becomes:> > >>"All

i said was one has to do sadhana to understand rahu."> > >>> > >>The differnece

in the statement is subtle but clear!> > >>> > >>Those who understand the word

Sadhana will know that it is some how> > >>related to religion and

spirituality. Those who are initiated byGurus> > >>get in to Sadhana and Dhyan.

The Guru always have a traditionand hence> > >>whole affair becomes

traditional!> > >><><>I may be wrong in my interpretations but mail had subtle>

> >>'traditional' direction. I have no problems with you butunnecessary use> >

>>of spiritual technical words like 'Sadhana', 'Kundalini', etcmakes the> >

>>Jyotish difficult for many like me. Thats why I wrote it.> > >>Thanks a lot

for your Time and Sapce.> > >>> > >>Prabodh Vekhande> > >>Jai Jai Shankar> >

>>Har Har Shankar> > >>> > >>V.Partha sarathy wrote:> > >>> > >>> > >>> >

>>>Hello Sir> > >>>> > >>>Does my mail say anything about tradition? Does my

mail sayanything> > >>>about religion? What is your problem . You dont even

seem tohave the> > >>>patience to read the mails properly,. All i said was one

has to do> > >>>sadhana to understand rahu. It is only an opinion. What is

there to> > >>>crib about.> > >>>best wishes> > >>>partha> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande> >

>>><prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Earlier

people used to say that for accurate and consistant> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >

>>>>> > >>>predictions> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>one should be

religious and little bit spiritual. But people now> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >

>>>>> > >>>have> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>become so casual in use of

words that they have started suggesting> > >>>>spiritual(Sadhana) approach

towards learning jyotish as well! So> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>the>

> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>person who is from the tradition will be

naturally considered as> > >>>>'spiritual' and hence qualifies to understand

advanced spiritual> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>aspects> > >>>> > >>>>

> >>>> > >>>> > >>>>of Vedic Jyotish! Others not from the traditions will be

naturally> > >>>>disqualified! What a simple logic? I think this is jaundiced

eye> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>vision.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>

> >>>>Very soon we will have Advanced Spiritual Vedic Astrology(ASVA)!> > >>>>>

> >>>>Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > >>>>> > >>>>Prabodh Vekhande> >

>>>>Jai Jai Shankar> > >>>>Har Har Shankar> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >

>>>>V.Partha sarathy wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >

>>>>>This debate has been raged for the last few years, it is a futile> >

>>>>>attempt to convince the "other school" of the thoughts of one> > >>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>school.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>People who follow 8 karaka scheme will continue to follow it.Rahu> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>as> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>AK cannot be understood unless one has done some type of sadhana> >

>>>>>best> > >>>>>partha> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>--- In

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>> > >>>>>wrote:> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Namaste,> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>I had wanted to talk about 7 chara karaka scheme. However, I do> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>not> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>>have the shloka to back up the seven karaka scheme. I leanedfrom> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>my> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>>jyotish guru that one must use only seven karakas. Now onehas to> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>be> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>>careful, when I say say seven karakas , I really mean seven> >

>>>>>>karakatwas. One may have to use 8 karakas but only seven> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>karakatwas> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>>exist. Let me explain...The anomaly is because of rahu. Should> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>rahu> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>be> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>used as one of the karakas ? Jaimini has said ( Again

please> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>don't> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>ask> > >>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>me to quote the shloka, as I

can not and I am paraphrasingwhat I> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>was> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>>taught) Rahu CAN NOT be atmakaraka. So whats the need forrahu

to> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>be> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>> > >>>>>>one of the karakas ? Well if two planets are at the smae degree> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>that> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

>>>>>>can become atma karaka, then one needs to go to the minutes to> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>decide> > >>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>who is atmakara. Now having

done that the one that gets defeated> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>in> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>this has to be discarded, now one

only is left with a totalof six> > >>>>>>karakas including the atmakaraka. So

we have six karaakas and> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>seven> >

>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>karakatwas this is when and only when one

brings in rahu. If the> > >>>>>>selection of atmakaraka does not eleminate one

graha then one> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>will> > >>>> >

>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>not> > >>>>>>

> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>need rahu. So in general

scheme rahu is mostly not required.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>...> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:53:14 -0800 (PST), Muhammad Imran> >

>>>>>><astroimran> wrote:> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Praveen Kumar,> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>As ususal, you

seem skeptic. Here are the answers of> > >>>>>>>your arguments.> > >>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>The time of birth is quite certain as the native> > >>>>>>>himself told

this. And I did not use parshan or wild> > >>>>>>>speculation to attain this

birth time.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Secondly, the time zone of Pakistan was not> >

>>>>>>>immediately changed after independance, but it was> > >>>>>>>firstly

redefined in 1951 and then in 1954.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>For the sake of your

kind information, I am giving the> > >>>>>>>chronology of official time zone

details for Pakistan.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Time Zone Pakistan> >

>>>>>>>-------------> > >>>>>>>Date/Time of

Implementation Time Zone> >

>>>>>>>-------------> > >>>>>>>01-Jan-1906,

12:00 am. 5:30 hours east of GMT> > >>>>>>>01-Sep-1942, 12:00 am. 6:30 hours

east of GMT> > >>>>>>>15-Oct-1945, 12:00 am. 5:30 hours east of GMT> >

>>>>>>>01-Sep-1951, 12:00 am. 4:30 hours east of GMT> > >>>>>>>01-May-1954,

12:00 am. 5:00 hours east of GMT> > >>>>>>>06-Apr-2002, 12:00 am. 6:00 hours

east of GMT> > >>>>>>>01-Oct-2002, 12:00 am. 5:00 hours east of GMT> >

>>>>>>>-------------> > >>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>Apart from it, this may possible that 8 chara karaka> > >>>>>>>scheme

did not work in your experience. But if you> > >>>>>>>critique, then please let

us enlighten the alternative> > >>>>>>>methodology with concrete foundation.> >

>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>You have opined that K.N.Rao's approach may prove> >

>>>>>>>helpful in solving the puzzle of Sade-Sati. Ok, let me> > >>>>>>>explain

the method, I will try unbiasedly and> > >>>>>>>impartially.> > >>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>Thanks,> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>M.Imran> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>--- Praveen

Kumar <chunnu2001@v...> wrote:> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>First, are you sure about TOB ? What

is the source ?> > >>>>>>>>Then, was the time zone for Pakistan 05:30 in 1949,>

> >>>>>>>>even after independence as I know it to be 05:00 hrs> > >>>>>>>>now.>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>However, it appeals me, prima-facie. Give some> >

>>>>>>>>non-political and personal events, if known. You can> > >>>>>>>>get

solution to all your puzzles if you follow> > >>>>>>>>K.N.Rao's methods.

Concepts like 8 Karakas, AL is> > >>>>>>>>perception etc are faulty in my

opinion and> > >>>>>>>>experience. I feel you may fare as a brilliant> >

>>>>>>>>astrologer.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)> >

>>>>>>>>-> > >>>>>>>>Muhammad Imran> >

>>>>>>>>vedic astrology ;> >

>>>>>>>>hanskpvedic> > >>>>>>>>Cc:

> > >>>>>>>>10, 03, 2005 11:08 PM> >

>>>>>>>>[vedic astrology] Chart of Shaukat Aziz> > >>>>>>>>(PM

Pakistan)> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear List,> > >>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>Those interested in mundane astrology and> > >>>>>>>>celebrities'> >

>>>>>>>>chart would find the horoscope of Shaukat Aziz,> > >>>>>>>>prime> >

>>>>>>>>minister of Pakistan, as an interesting addition> > >>>>>>>>in> >

>>>>>>>>their folder.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> March

6, 1949> > >>>>>>>>Time: 9:53:00 am> > >>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00

(East of GMT)> > >>>>>>>>Place: 67 E 03' 00", 24 N 52' 00"> > >>>>>>>>

Karachi, Pakistan> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Lagna 11 Ar

43' 29.25" Aswi 4> > >>>>>>>>Sun - MK 22 Aq 08' 28.92" PBha

1> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Moon - DK 0 Ta 51' 10.39" Krit 2> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Mars - BK 24 Aq 33' 29.46" PBha 2> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Mercury - AK 25 Cp 51' 23.55" Dhan 1> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter - GK 1 Cp 09' 47.55" USha 2> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Venus - PiK 11 Aq 34' 58.27" Sata 2> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Saturn ® - PK 8 Le 39' 21.79" Magh 3> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 4 Ar 53' 44.02" Aswi 2> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Ketu 4 Li 53' 44.02" Chit 4> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rasi> >

>>>>>>>>+--------------+> > >>>>>>>>| \ HL

/ \ / |> > >>>>>>>>| \ Mo / \

/ |> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ / |>

> >>>>>>>>| \ / Ra \ / |> > >>>>>>>>|

\ / \ / Ve |> > >>>>>>>>| x As

x Ma Su |> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \

|> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |> > >>>>>>>>|

/ \ / \ |> > >>>>>>>>| / Gk \ 1

/ Ju \ |> > >>>>>>>>| / \ /

\ |> > >>>>>>>>| Md x Me |> > >>>>>>>>| \

/ \ / |> > >>>>>>>>| \ /

\ / |> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ /

|> > >>>>>>>>| \ / \ / |> > >>>>>>>>|

\ / \ / |> > >>>>>>>>|SaR GL x

Ke x AL |> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \

|> > >>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |> >

>>>>>>>>| / \ / \ |> > >>>>>>>>| /

\ / \ |> > >>>>>>>>| / \ /

\ |> > >>>>>>>>+--------------+>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>His chart reveals many unique planetary> >

>>>>>>>>combinations.> > >>>>>>>>Most of the planets are occupied in panaphara>

> >>>>>>>>bhavas> > >>>>>>>>(2,5,8,11). Note the vacant trik (6th, 8th, 12th)> >

>>>>>>>>bhavas. He is graduate of IBA Karachi University> > >>>>>>>>and a> >

>>>>>>>>world renowned banker. The 10th house is tenanted> > >>>>>>>>by> >

>>>>>>>>Jupiter and Mercury while 10th lord Saturn is into> > >>>>>>>>navamsha

of Mercury, and falls in Deva amsa. Rahu> > >>>>>>>>as> > >>>>>>>>Amatya karaka

and the producer of Raja-Sambhanda> > >>>>>>>>yogada, gave services in

international> > >>>>>>>>institutions> > >>>>>>>>during its maha dasha.> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>As mentioned earlier, many planets are in> >

>>>>>>>>panaphara> > >>>>>>>>(2,5,8,11) from lagna but the picutre reverse if>

> >>>>>>>>seen> > >>>>>>>>from AL. That is, most of planets are in Apoklima> >

>>>>>>>>(3,6,9,12). This contrast, speaks a person, who is> > >>>>>>>>socially

perceives as humble and knowledgable but> > >>>>>>>>infact who is very

persistant, parsimonious and> > >>>>>>>>wealthy.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>He rose

exponentially in the Jupiter maha dasha> > >>>>>>>>(1988-2004). Initial two

phases (i.e. first 6> > >>>>>>>>antar> > >>>>>>>>dasas) in Jupiter maha dasha

gave him professional> > >>>>>>>>success and he attaied the post of Executive

Vice> > >>>>>>>>President of City Bank USA. While the last phase> > >>>>>>>>of>

> >>>>>>>>Jupiter dasha yielded him ministerial status. In> >

>>>>>>>>Jupiter-Moon (November 1999) he became Finance> > >>>>>>>>Minister.

Though Jupiter is debiliated in 10th> > >>>>>>>>house,> > >>>>>>>>but there

exists Neech Bhanga yoga as Venus (and> > >>>>>>>>also> > >>>>>>>>Mars) are

placed in angle from the exalted Moon.> > >>>>>>>>In> > >>>>>>>>the year 2001

(Jup-Mar), he was declared 'World> > >>>>>>>>Finance Minister of the Year' by

Euromoney and> > >>>>>>>>Banker's Magazine.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Amazingly,

the theory of Tara pretends ineffective> > >>>>>>>>here. Jupiter not only lords

the inauspicious> > >>>>>>>>Pratyak> > >>>>>>>>tara (5th star from Moon's star)

but also placed> > >>>>>>>>in> > >>>>>>>>trine to Janma tara(1st start). Though

sign-wise> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter is very weak in many vargas. But it is> >

>>>>>>>>closely> > >>>>>>>>connected with the Moon, both in Rashi and> >

>>>>>>>>Navamsha.> > >>>>>>>>In my humble view, the notion of dispositor works>

> >>>>>>>>well> > >>>>>>>>here. Sign dispositor, Nakshatar dispositor, and> >

>>>>>>>>Amsha> > >>>>>>>>dispositor are stand for physical, mental and> >

>>>>>>>>spiritual trinity.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's Sign Dispositor:

Saturn> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's Nakshatra Dispositor: Saturn> > >>>>>>>>Jupiter's

Amsa Dispositor: Sun> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Here neither of the dispositor is

in dushtan bhava> > >>>>>>>>or> > >>>>>>>>weak, and both Saturn and Sun are

involved in> > >>>>>>>>parivartana. Hence Jupiter maha dasha resulted in> >

>>>>>>>>all> > >>>>>>>>around auspiciousness and abundance of wealth.> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>The beginning of Saturn maha dasha led to an> >

>>>>>>>>unexpected rise. When he was nominated for the> > >>>>>>>>position of

Prime Minister after the resignation> > >>>>>>>>of> > >>>>>>>>Zafarullah Khan

Jamali on June 6, 2004, and became> > >>>>>>>>Prime Minister on August 28,

2004, in Sat-Sat-Sat.> > >>>>>>>>At> > >>>>>>>>the same time transit Jupiter

was entered in his> > >>>>>>>>5th> > >>>>>>>>house-Virgo from the radix Moon.>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Saturn is making sign-interchange> >

>>>>>>>>(rashi-parivartan)> > >>>>>>>>with the Sun. The interchange b/w trinal

and> > >>>>>>>>quadrant> > >>>>>>>>lords results in Maha yoga (one of the 3

types of> > >>>>>>>>parivartana yogas). Therefor in Saturn dasha he> >

>>>>>>>>would> > >>>>>>>>probabily get the effect of Leo-Sun. But it is> >

>>>>>>>>also a> > >>>>>>>>matter of fact that parivartana b/w natural> >

>>>>>>>>enemies is> > >>>>>>>>not a desirable combination, as they bring

mental> > >>>>>>>>agony and inner dis-satisfaction. As a result, on> >

>>>>>>>>July> > >>>>>>>>29, 2004, he survived an assassination attempt in> >

>>>>>>>>the> > >>>>>>>>town of Fateh Jang during election campaign, when> >

>>>>>>>>Sat-Sat-Sat-Sun was running.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>In Rashi, Saturn as

Putra-karak is placed in 7th> > >>>>>>>>Atma-karak Mercury, and trine to Amatya

karaka> > >>>>>>>>Rahu.> > >>>>>>>>It again becomes yogada due to its

association> > >>>>>>>>with GL> > >>>>>>>>and HL. It is conjoined with GL

(power, status)> > >>>>>>>>and> > >>>>>>>>cast rashi drishti to Lagna and graha

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March 15, 2005

Dear Sanjay Rathji,

Thanks a lot for the Guidence.

Regds

Ramki

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Sanjay Rath [sanjayrath ]Sent:

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Rahu and Ketu can be controlled by the Human beings through

meditations ? Is it True