Mark <2-Kartik, & All, re.....How malefic is a malefic and how benefic is a

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Dear Mark,

Sorry about the question being unclear. What I wanted to ask

was that if I try to change the way a planet affects me, in other

words, try to reduce the malefic aspect of a planet by being in sync

with its energies (the mars example that you had mentioned earlier)

it implies a change in myself thus shouldnt it be foreseen by

astrology and if so: it means that whether I change the way i live

is pre-destined. I hope this is more clear.

Regards,

Kartik

 

vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Kartik:

>

> I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

> What do you mean when you say: "Isn't it a contradiction of free

will?"

>

> Please ask your question again.

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

> vedic astrology

> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:37:46 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Mark < Re: 2-Kartik, & All, re.....How

malefic is

> a malefic and how benefic is a

>

>

>

> Dear Mark,

> That was very well thought out and fantastically

> expressed.Thanks for the time! But, then as with all answers come

> more questions :-). I have one question :

> 1. Free will : You mentioned getting more in sync with planetary

> needs (my own words describibg what you said, please correct me if

I

> am wrong) and thus reducing any malefic aspect they might have.

> Since, this would have a strong effect on the native on many levels

> wouldnt it be possible to see this happening in his chart( If so

> isnt it a contradiction of free will?). I am pretty sure 'the free

> will' issue has been raised before but I decided to go ahead and

ask

> again (sorry!).

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

> vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I have some questions.

> >

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kartik:

> >

> > You bring up some very good questions.

> >

> > Jyotish, of course, has all these great rules.

> >

> > However, the fact that there are so many exceptions too,

sometimes

> is

> > confusing.

> >

> > I especially notice that when a Planet whether, a so-called

> natural malefic,

> > like Saturn,

> > or a functional malefic because it's ruling the so-called malefic

> > houses;...is, in it's Own

> > Sign, or Exalted, it behaves so much more positively, then

normally

> > described.

> >

> > For example, when Saturn is Exalted, it reflects so much more of

> it's

> > benefic side.

> >

> > Even when Saturn's in it's own Signs, it's much more positive.

In

> such

> > cases a person

> > may be less impulsive, and more mature, and calmer, more settled

> within, all

> > qualities

> > indicative of a more 'wise' person.

> >

> > These kinds of experiences leads us to realize that maleficness

is

> a

> > relative term.

> >

> > I was contemplating this whole issue one time, when I came across

> this

> > passage in Parashara.

> > Parashara, considered by many to be the founder of Jyotish, says

> in one of

> > his earliest chapters: "In the beginning Lord Vishnu, entered

into

> the

> > grahas to bestow upon his devotees, the consequences of their

> actions."

> >

> > When I read this I realized....none of the planets are 'really'

> malefic.

> > How could they be, if the Lord, is the inner light, or being,

> inside each

> > planet. Then, I started realizing that if 'all' planets

> > can be benefic, then, 'maleficness', is a term best used to

> describe the

> > planet when it's out of

> > balance, or out of it's truer, benefic nature.

> >

> > This of course, can happen even if a planet is the natural ruler

> of say the

> > 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th houses, the so-called malefic houses.

> >

> > I've noticed quite often those people who have these Lords of the

> > 3rd,6th,8thor 12th houses, in especially poor or again, these

same

> 6th, 8th

> > or 12th houses... negative results can be the consequence.

> >

> > Malefic effects can also result even if a planet is a natural

> benefic, but

> > in one of the negative, or so-called malefic houses.

> >

> > Other times, the natual benefics, are found acting more

> malefically, because

> > they're ruling these malefic houses, and not, in especially

> positive signs.

> >

> > Your question: 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a

> yogakaraka

> > in a

> > dusthana?

> >

> > is a perfect example of the problem. A natual malefic, like

let's

> say,

> > Saturn, being a yogakaraka for a particular sign,... in a

dusthana

> house,

> > can represent some lessening of

> > benefic greatness due to it's yogakaraka nature.

> >

> > Take Saturn for Taurus or Libra rising individuals. It's a

natual

> malefic,

> > so to speak, being Saturn, but because it's the yogakaraka for

> these rising

> > signs; then, it is considered as a functional benefic because of

> it's house

> > rulership. This yogakaraness is because the planet

> > simultaneously rules two of the most important houses. In the

> case of Libra

> > this rulership, is of the 4th & 5th houses, and for Taurians,

> because Saturn

> > simultaneously rules the 9th & 10th.

> >

> > But, even though Saturn's the natual yogakaraka, being in one of

> the

> > dusthana, or so-called,

> > weaker houses, is meant to be a symbolism, so that we understand

> some of the

> > subtleties, of Saturn's karma for this individual.

> >

> > Therefore, probably the effect will be less positive, in those

> dusthana

> > houses.

> >

> > However, and here's another exception, in the case of Taurus

> Rising, if

> > Saturn is in the 6th house, where Libra and it's sign of

> Exaltation is,

> > then, the individual may experience the very best of it's

> functionally

> > beneficness.

> >

> > This person might be a healer, or have very profound health.

> Again, This

> > can be 1) because Sani's yogakaraka, and ruling the all-important

> 9th & 10th

> > houses, for this Taurus rising indiv. but most importantly, being

> Exalted

> > will give very positive results.

> >

> > Your second question: 2. How would you regard a natural benefic,

> but lord

> > of dusthana's in

> > a dusthana?

> >

> > Let's take Jupiter for example, though a natual benefic, but for

a

> Libra

> > rising, Jupiter rules the so-called more malefic houses, 3rd,

> 6th. Now,

> > even if that benefic is a so-called functional malefic for Libra

> Rising

> > individuals; if that natural benefic is in it's Own sign, in the

> case of the

> > Libra Rising, then, that natural beneficness, even if in the

> dusthana

> > houses, will be very positive.

> >

> > But, if it's in a dustana, like the 11th house, which is not a

> Sign, that

> > Jupiter owns, then, the karma tends to be of those so-called

> negative

> > houses, manifesting somewheres.

> >

> > So, obviously it's a little tricky.

> >

> > Just remember a kind of hierarchy, of points...

> >

> > #1, is a Planet, whether naturally benefic or malefic.....

> >

> > Is that planet, regardless of it's so-called natural status,

> Exalted or in

> > it's Own sign?

> >

> > This is the first and most important question. If it is, then,

> it's

> > effects, regardless of where it is found, will tend to be more

> benefic.

> >

> > #2, Is a planet functioning as a benefic or malefic, depending

> upon the

> > Rising sign, or different houses, that it's ruling?

> >

> > #3, A planet can be acting positively or negatively, also at any

> time,

> > regardless of it's placement and Rising sign, lordship.

> >

> > This is a bit tricky.

> >

> > For example, I've met a number of individuals who have Exalted

> Saturn's, but

> > their Saturn's are still acting malefically, even though the

> Planet may be a

> > functional benefic or yogakaraka.

> >

> > For example, some of my clients with Saturn exalted in the first

> house,

> > though Saturn is supposed to be soooo good for Libra rising

> individuals,

> > still, can manifest very negative results, for a number of

reasons.

> >

> > Potentially, the planet could be very positive, but sometimes,

> because this

> > individual, feels soooo strong in Saturn, he/she is sometimes,

> found

> > straining, and not getting enough rest, or staying balanced, and

> as a

> > result, 'their' Saturn negative consequences can be very severe.

> >

> > This is described sometimes, as the Exalted, 'grief' of Saturn.

> However, I

> > find that the individual seems to know the Wisdoms of this

Planet,

> however,

> > for some particualar reasons, is found ignoring this natural

> strength.

> >

> > I think of this as the story of the Judge, lawyer, and the common

> citizen.

> > It's been described that if the citizen breaks the laws of the

> land, the

> > consequences will be one way. If the lawyer breaks the law, the

> punishment

> > will be even more pronounced. However, if the Judge, is found

> breaking the

> > laws, then the punishment is the most severe!

> >

> > Like this, if even a very good or Exalted Saturn, is ignored by

> the person,

> > or strained against, because of circumstances or some such thing,

> then, the

> > results can be negative.

> >

> > I find Exalted Saturn individuals, have such strong endurance,

> that they

> > find that they can initially get away with straining, but if they

> don't

> > eventually get back to that more balanced approach, then, they

can

> produce,

> > too very exalted grief!

> >

> >

> > Ultimately, I find a few questions along with a thorough

> examination of

> > their charts, will show me whether any planet is acting

> benefically or

> > malefically.

> >

> > The point, here, then, is once I've determined, especially

through

> their

> > descriptions, that any planet is found acting

> malefically,....then, the very

> > important phase of Jyotish remedies, and prescriptions come into

> play.

> >

> > Most people don't understand how powerful Jyotish is, in

> reflecting the

> > natural ability of life, to grow, to change, to even

> transform,...oneself,

> > including all negatives,.... into positives.

> >

> > This is the very nature of life, to grow, and once we discover

> which planets

> > are found, acting malefically, then, we can reflect on what we

can

> do to

> > change this maleficness into a more

> > pleasing and life-supporting beneficness.

> >

> > The key issue here is change. Malefics both naturally and

> functionally, are

> > there in life to show us, where we need to change, adapt, grow

and

> > transform.

> >

> > Because once we do this, either because we're tired of the

> negativity of

> > doing something, quote, the 'wrong' way, or whether, we gain some

> help from

> > the Wisdoms of Jyotish; regardless, but, once we do this, all

> negativities,

> > or malefic situations can be transformed!

> >

> > This is the greatest hidden secret in Jyotish, today.

> >

> > The malefics don't just represent our challenges, sufferings, and

> our

> > griefs; they also represent our opportunities for growth and

> change.

> >

> > If we're open to changeing ourselves, in any way, then, we can

> improve any

> > and all aspects of ourselves.

> >

> > So, to finally answer your original question, then?

> >

> > "How malefic is a malefic, and how benefic is a benefic?"

> >

> > All benefics, can remain benefic, and all malefics, whether

> natural or

> > functional, can be transformed, into their more highly evolved

> natural

> > beneficness!

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'll finish with one natural, life experience.

> >

> > If in life, we're found having accidents we might find in our

> charts that

> > our Mars' is acting malefically; whether due to a natural or

> functional

> > maleficness, it doesn't matter.

> >

> > But, the point is, nature is trying to tell us something. We

have

> > accidents, not just because our Mars is acting malefically, but

> because

> > Nature is trying to show us we're doing something wrong.

> >

> > Maybe we're going too fast!

> >

> > Maybe we're rationalizing, we have to go this speed, because we

> have this

> > and that, or those very important things to do, and we can't slow

> down;

> > doesn't matter.

> >

> > But, maleficness, in this case, wrapped around Mars, is there to

> show us, we

> > need to change!

> >

> > We need to slow down, to refine our action mobility, and

> immediately, when

> > we do this, we can stop having accidents!

> >

> > It's like this really, with every planet.

> >

> > All planets represent a way in which Nature shows us, how we're

> doing with

> > that Planet.

> >

> > It's then, up to us, whether we change our ways, or continue in

> the way

> > we've been.

> >

> >

> > Jai Guru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

> > vedic astrology

> > Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:10:10 -0000

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> > Dear members,

> > I have some questions

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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