Fate&Free-will- Ramana Maharishi

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Allow me to share my 2 cents of what i gathered fm Ramana Maharishi's teaching ?

 

So long as man thinks that he is the doer, then he reaps the fruit of his

action. Because man never ceases to act, then neither does karma or fate end

and as such it is never static and can be modified either by prayers or

parihara. So in a senses he is the writer of his own fate, but God provides the

mechanisms by which the fruits of the actions can be realised. According to

Parasara, this is manifest by way of the planets influence on Man.

 

The rishi goes on to say that so long as there is vasanas( attractions) these

bind the subtle body to the world and rebirth is necessary to extinguish the

vasanas.

 

Both bhakti marga and Jyana marga are antidodes to this and sets man free.

With Bhakti marga, man considers himself as an instrument of God and as such new

karma does not bind and prior karmas are speedily extinguished.

 

In Jyana marga, man realises the world is a creation of the mind and there is

not but THAT and the knowledge extinguishes all karma.

 

Best Regards

 

Ajith

 

Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:

Excellent Jyothi. Fate and/or Freewill - this has been a vexed question through

ages. Fate is linked with Karma. But are we free to do Karma ? Perhaps not. Dr.

B.V.Raman talks of only semi-independent Karma. Veteran astrologer Shri K.N.Rao

too has written much about it. He gives a reference saying," ...which is Karma

and which is not Karma, even rishis find difficult to decide..".

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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jyothi_lakshmi_b

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13, 03, 2005 8:33 PM

[vedic astrology] What does Maharshi Aurobindo says on Fate&Free-will

Respected Sirs, I thank all the members who are actively participating in the

discussion on my query. It seems very interesting. While pondering over the

opinions I came to read a book on Maharshi Arobindo in which there there was an

article – Fate & Karma in which Maharshi has given his opinion on the topic. I

would like to share what I have read with all the members. If it enlightens you

in any way I am so happy.I am copying the question answer session as such here.

Questions were framed by a devotee and answers to them were taken by him from

the writings of Sri Aurobindo.Q: Is it possible to predict future events? Is

there such a thing as destiny?Ans: What is evident is that in the course of

events there is an element of the predictable, predictable accurately in detail

as well as in large points. But it is not true that all is predictable or that

destiny is the sole governing factor of existence. Neither is it true that there

is a complete free will. The popular belief that all is destiny or else all is

free will is quite summary and inconclusive.Q: Is human will entirely helpless

before Fate or Destiny?Ans: The astrologers themselves say that there are two

forces, daiva and purusaakara, Fate and individual energy, and individual

energy can modify and even frustrate Fate. Even what is determined by Fate has

to be worked out, actually is worked out by a play of forces and in this play

there is no absolute rigidity discoverable. Personal will or endeavour is one

of those forces. Napolean when asked why he believed in Fate , yet was always

planning and acting, answered, "Because it is fated that I should act and

plan"; In other words, his planning and acting were part of Fate, contributed

to the results Fate had in view.Q: What is the explanation of

Fate?Ans: The Indian explanation of Fate is Karma. We ourselves are our own Fate

through our actions, but the Fate created by us binds us, for what we have sown

we must reap in this life or another.Q: Whatever may have been our past

actions, cannot our present will determine to some extent the course of future

happenings?Ans: Certainly it can, because we are creating our Fate for the

future even while undergoing old Fate, from the past in the present. That gives

a meaning to our will and action and does not, as European critics wrongly

believe, constitute a rigid and sterilizing fatalism.It is not impossible that

our present will and action can annul or modify the past Karma; it is only

certain strong effects called "utkata karma" that are non-modifiable. The

achievement of spiritual consciousness, for example, can annul or give the

power to annul past Karma; for then we enter into union with the cosmic or

transcendent Divine will which has the power to annul what it had created, break

the narrow fixed lines of Karma and make a more plastic freedom and wideness.

Neither Karma nor Astrology therefore points to a rigid and forever immutable

Fate.Here is another quotation by Aurobindo:"All is free-will or else all is

destiny – it is not so simple as that. This question of free-will or

determination is the most knotty of all metaphysical questions and nobody has

been able to solve it- for a good reason that both destiny and will exist and

even a free-will exists somewhere; the difficulty is only how to get at it and

make it effective. " –Aurobindo.Any comments?Archives:

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