2-Kartik, & All, re.....How malefic is a malefic and how benefic is a

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Dear Kartik:

I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

What do you mean when you say: "Isn't it a contradiction of free will?"

Please ask your question again.

Mark K.

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Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:37:46 -0000

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[vedic astrology] Mark < Re: 2-Kartik, & All, re.....How malefic is a

malefic and how benefic is a

Dear Mark,

That was very well thought out and fantastically

expressed.Thanks for the time! But, then as with all answers come

more questions :-). I have one question :

1. Free will : You mentioned getting more in sync with planetary

needs (my own words describibg what you said, please correct me if I

am wrong) and thus reducing any malefic aspect they might have.

Since, this would have a strong effect on the native on many levels

wouldnt it be possible to see this happening in his chart( If so

isnt it a contradiction of free will?). I am pretty sure 'the free

will' issue has been raised before but I decided to go ahead and ask

again (sorry!).

Regards,

Kartik

vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> I have some questions.

>

> 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> dusthana?

> 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

in

> a dusthana?

> 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> (Libra).

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

> 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> dusthana?

> 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

in

> a dusthana?

> 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> (Libra).

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

>

>

> Dear Kartik:

>

> You bring up some very good questions.

>

> Jyotish, of course, has all these great rules.

>

> However, the fact that there are so many exceptions too, sometimes

is

> confusing.

>

> I especially notice that when a Planet whether, a so-called

natural malefic,

> like Saturn,

> or a functional malefic because it's ruling the so-called malefic

> houses;...is, in it's Own

> Sign, or Exalted, it behaves so much more positively, then normally

> described.

>

> For example, when Saturn is Exalted, it reflects so much more of

it's

> benefic side.

>

> Even when Saturn's in it's own Signs, it's much more positive. In

such

> cases a person

> may be less impulsive, and more mature, and calmer, more settled

within, all

> qualities

> indicative of a more 'wise' person.

>

> These kinds of experiences leads us to realize that maleficness is

a

> relative term.

>

> I was contemplating this whole issue one time, when I came across

this

> passage in Parashara.

> Parashara, considered by many to be the founder of Jyotish, says

in one of

> his earliest chapters: "In the beginning Lord Vishnu, entered into

the

> grahas to bestow upon his devotees, the consequences of their

actions."

>

> When I read this I realized....none of the planets are 'really'

malefic.

> How could they be, if the Lord, is the inner light, or being,

inside each

> planet. Then, I started realizing that if 'all' planets

> can be benefic, then, 'maleficness', is a term best used to

describe the

> planet when it's out of

> balance, or out of it's truer, benefic nature.

>

> This of course, can happen even if a planet is the natural ruler

of say the

> 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th houses, the so-called malefic houses.

>

> I've noticed quite often those people who have these Lords of the

> 3rd,6th,8thor 12th houses, in especially poor or again, these same

6th, 8th

> or 12th houses... negative results can be the consequence.

>

> Malefic effects can also result even if a planet is a natural

benefic, but

> in one of the negative, or so-called malefic houses.

>

> Other times, the natual benefics, are found acting more

malefically, because

> they're ruling these malefic houses, and not, in especially

positive signs.

>

> Your question: 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a

yogakaraka

> in a

> dusthana?

>

> is a perfect example of the problem. A natual malefic, like let's

say,

> Saturn, being a yogakaraka for a particular sign,... in a dusthana

house,

> can represent some lessening of

> benefic greatness due to it's yogakaraka nature.

>

> Take Saturn for Taurus or Libra rising individuals. It's a natual

malefic,

> so to speak, being Saturn, but because it's the yogakaraka for

these rising

> signs; then, it is considered as a functional benefic because of

it's house

> rulership. This yogakaraness is because the planet

> simultaneously rules two of the most important houses. In the

case of Libra

> this rulership, is of the 4th & 5th houses, and for Taurians,

because Saturn

> simultaneously rules the 9th & 10th.

>

> But, even though Saturn's the natual yogakaraka, being in one of

the

> dusthana, or so-called,

> weaker houses, is meant to be a symbolism, so that we understand

some of the

> subtleties, of Saturn's karma for this individual.

>

> Therefore, probably the effect will be less positive, in those

dusthana

> houses.

>

> However, and here's another exception, in the case of Taurus

Rising, if

> Saturn is in the 6th house, where Libra and it's sign of

Exaltation is,

> then, the individual may experience the very best of it's

functionally

> beneficness.

>

> This person might be a healer, or have very profound health.

Again, This

> can be 1) because Sani's yogakaraka, and ruling the all-important

9th & 10th

> houses, for this Taurus rising indiv. but most importantly, being

Exalted

> will give very positive results.

>

> Your second question: 2. How would you regard a natural benefic,

but lord

> of dusthana's in

> a dusthana?

>

> Let's take Jupiter for example, though a natual benefic, but for a

Libra

> rising, Jupiter rules the so-called more malefic houses, 3rd,

6th. Now,

> even if that benefic is a so-called functional malefic for Libra

Rising

> individuals; if that natural benefic is in it's Own sign, in the

case of the

> Libra Rising, then, that natural beneficness, even if in the

dusthana

> houses, will be very positive.

>

> But, if it's in a dustana, like the 11th house, which is not a

Sign, that

> Jupiter owns, then, the karma tends to be of those so-called

negative

> houses, manifesting somewheres.

>

> So, obviously it's a little tricky.

>

> Just remember a kind of hierarchy, of points...

>

> #1, is a Planet, whether naturally benefic or malefic.....

>

> Is that planet, regardless of it's so-called natural status,

Exalted or in

> it's Own sign?

>

> This is the first and most important question. If it is, then,

it's

> effects, regardless of where it is found, will tend to be more

benefic.

>

> #2, Is a planet functioning as a benefic or malefic, depending

upon the

> Rising sign, or different houses, that it's ruling?

>

> #3, A planet can be acting positively or negatively, also at any

time,

> regardless of it's placement and Rising sign, lordship.

>

> This is a bit tricky.

>

> For example, I've met a number of individuals who have Exalted

Saturn's, but

> their Saturn's are still acting malefically, even though the

Planet may be a

> functional benefic or yogakaraka.

>

> For example, some of my clients with Saturn exalted in the first

house,

> though Saturn is supposed to be soooo good for Libra rising

individuals,

> still, can manifest very negative results, for a number of reasons.

>

> Potentially, the planet could be very positive, but sometimes,

because this

> individual, feels soooo strong in Saturn, he/she is sometimes,

found

> straining, and not getting enough rest, or staying balanced, and

as a

> result, 'their' Saturn negative consequences can be very severe.

>

> This is described sometimes, as the Exalted, 'grief' of Saturn.

However, I

> find that the individual seems to know the Wisdoms of this Planet,

however,

> for some particualar reasons, is found ignoring this natural

strength.

>

> I think of this as the story of the Judge, lawyer, and the common

citizen.

> It's been described that if the citizen breaks the laws of the

land, the

> consequences will be one way. If the lawyer breaks the law, the

punishment

> will be even more pronounced. However, if the Judge, is found

breaking the

> laws, then the punishment is the most severe!

>

> Like this, if even a very good or Exalted Saturn, is ignored by

the person,

> or strained against, because of circumstances or some such thing,

then, the

> results can be negative.

>

> I find Exalted Saturn individuals, have such strong endurance,

that they

> find that they can initially get away with straining, but if they

don't

> eventually get back to that more balanced approach, then, they can

produce,

> too very exalted grief!

>

>

> Ultimately, I find a few questions along with a thorough

examination of

> their charts, will show me whether any planet is acting

benefically or

> malefically.

>

> The point, here, then, is once I've determined, especially through

their

> descriptions, that any planet is found acting

malefically,....then, the very

> important phase of Jyotish remedies, and prescriptions come into

play.

>

> Most people don't understand how powerful Jyotish is, in

reflecting the

> natural ability of life, to grow, to change, to even

transform,...oneself,

> including all negatives,.... into positives.

>

> This is the very nature of life, to grow, and once we discover

which planets

> are found, acting malefically, then, we can reflect on what we can

do to

> change this maleficness into a more

> pleasing and life-supporting beneficness.

>

> The key issue here is change. Malefics both naturally and

functionally, are

> there in life to show us, where we need to change, adapt, grow and

> transform.

>

> Because once we do this, either because we're tired of the

negativity of

> doing something, quote, the 'wrong' way, or whether, we gain some

help from

> the Wisdoms of Jyotish; regardless, but, once we do this, all

negativities,

> or malefic situations can be transformed!

>

> This is the greatest hidden secret in Jyotish, today.

>

> The malefics don't just represent our challenges, sufferings, and

our

> griefs; they also represent our opportunities for growth and

change.

>

> If we're open to changeing ourselves, in any way, then, we can

improve any

> and all aspects of ourselves.

>

> So, to finally answer your original question, then?

>

> "How malefic is a malefic, and how benefic is a benefic?"

>

> All benefics, can remain benefic, and all malefics, whether

natural or

> functional, can be transformed, into their more highly evolved

natural

> beneficness!

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> I'll finish with one natural, life experience.

>

> If in life, we're found having accidents we might find in our

charts that

> our Mars' is acting malefically; whether due to a natural or

functional

> maleficness, it doesn't matter.

>

> But, the point is, nature is trying to tell us something. We have

> accidents, not just because our Mars is acting malefically, but

because

> Nature is trying to show us we're doing something wrong.

>

> Maybe we're going too fast!

>

> Maybe we're rationalizing, we have to go this speed, because we

have this

> and that, or those very important things to do, and we can't slow

down;

> doesn't matter.

>

> But, maleficness, in this case, wrapped around Mars, is there to

show us, we

> need to change!

>

> We need to slow down, to refine our action mobility, and

immediately, when

> we do this, we can stop having accidents!

>

> It's like this really, with every planet.

>

> All planets represent a way in which Nature shows us, how we're

doing with

> that Planet.

>

> It's then, up to us, whether we change our ways, or continue in

the way

> we've been.

>

>

> Jai Guru

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

> vedic astrology

> Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:10:10 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] How malefic is a malefic and how

benefic is a

> benefic?

>

>

>

> Dear members,

> I have some questions

> 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> dusthana?

> 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

in

> a dusthana?

> 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> (Libra).

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

>

>

>

>

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