2-Jyothi, re. Is Life/or Astrology pre-determined, or free?, > Mark Kincaid

March 12, 2005

Dear Jyothi:

You bring up a good point.

Because if LIFE, or Astrology is really deterministic, than there really is no point to try and

change,.....anything.

But, I don't believe, life is 100% deterministic.

I believe life, is both.

I heard one great scholor express this 'debate' once, this way.

"Predeterminism & free will is like you're going down a road.

When you get to the end you can go to the left or the right.

You have a choice.

But, once you make the choice, it's inevitable, or pre-determined, that first you'll

see a white house, then a green and yellow one.

However, at every moment you're still free to stop, and turn around and go back,

but once you do, it's again pre-determined, that along the other road, you'll see

first a brown house, then, a blue and white ones.

Determinism & freedom, both co-exist."

Another great quote:

"If all we could do was predict the future and not change it.

Being able to see the dangers on the horizon

but not change for better, would be very cruel."

Personally, I think this is one of the greatest fallacies, of present Jyotish, or even Indian

culture. If the West have anything to teach the World, it is the fact, that life is not fate,

and to put in common vernacular: "we believe that anyone can become President."

Good discussion, topic.

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

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Respected Sirs,

I would like to invite all members to a discussion on how far

astrology is relevant. I am a strong believer in God and thinks that

whatever we are destined to experience, we have to and that is

inevitable. My doubt is that if this is the case, what is the purpose

of checking horoscopes and doing Pariharas?

I am not at all questioning astrology (I am a passionate learner of

the subject). But would like to get a satisfying answer from scholars

for this question which has been haunting me since I started learning

astrology.

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Dear Sir,

Thank you for the prompt response. Your quotations were really

interesting. If you are interested, and if you dont think that I am

arguing, please I would like to ask some thing regarding the first

quotation. (Consider my queries just as my curisoity to reach the

final truth). If I consider life as a journey down the road, and

suppose at the end, I choose the right path instaed of left, my doubt

now is, who made me choose the right path and why I didnt feel to

choose the left? I feel that if I chose right and suppose some odds

are waiting for me there, then I would believe that I was predestined

by God that I should go by right and suffer those odds. (We usually

have experiences in our life when we chose to go by a particular bus,

but unfortunately couldnt catch it or we later feel that will go by

next bus, without any particular reason and end either in a minor

accident or fortunately escape from an accident. Both are possible.)

Am I right or wrong ?

Sincerly,

Jyothi.

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wrote:

> Dear Jyothi:

>

> You bring up a good point.

>

> Because if LIFE, or Astrology is really deterministic, than there

really is

> no point to try and

> change,.....anything.

>

> But, I don't believe, life is 100% deterministic.

> I believe life, is both.

>

> I heard one great scholor express this 'debate' once, this way.

>

> "Predeterminism & free will is like you're going down a road.

> When you get to the end you can go to the left or the right.

> You have a choice.

> But, once you make the choice, it's inevitable, or pre-determined,

that

> first you'll

> see a white house, then a green and yellow one.

> However, at every moment you're still free to stop, and turn around

and go

> back,

> but once you do, it's again pre-determined, that along the other

road,

> you'll see

> first a brown house, then, a blue and white ones.

> Determinism & freedom, both co-exist."

>

> Another great quote:

>

> "If all we could do was predict the future and not change it.

> Being able to see the dangers on the horizon

> but not change for better, would be very cruel."

>

> Personally, I think this is one of the greatest fallacies, of

present

> Jyotish, or even Indian

> culture. If the West have anything to teach the World, it is the

fact, that

> life is not fate,

> and to put in common vernacular: "we believe that anyone can become

> President."

>

> Good discussion, topic.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b>

> vedic astrology

> Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:32:55 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Inviting a discussion- To what extent is

> astrology relevant?

>

> Respected Sirs,

>

> I would like to invite all members to a discussion on how far

> astrology is relevant. I am a strong believer in God and thinks that

> whatever we are destined to experience, we have to and that is

> inevitable. My doubt is that if this is the case, what is the

purpose

> of checking horoscopes and doing Pariharas?

> I am not at all questioning astrology (I am a passionate learner of

> the subject). But would like to get a satisfying answer from

scholars

> for this question which has been haunting me since I started

learning

> astrology.

>

> Jyothi.

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