Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Namaste friends, I was hoping that someone would give me the birthdata of Shibu Soren. But I could not get the data. So let me look at the swearing-in chart. The swearing-in data of Shibu Soren, current Jharkhand chief minister, is: March 2, 2005 17:10 (IST) Ranchi, India Asc: 9Le20, Moon: 2Sc13 The BJP party claims that it has the support of 42 MPs needed to form the government. Shibu Soren claims that he has the support of 42 MPs and that BJP party kidnapped some independent MPs supporting him. Governer of Jharkhand state went with Shibu Soren and swore him in. I wanted to look at the swearing-in chart to see if Shibu Soren will succeed in winning over some MPS before the deadline (March 21) or if he will be toppled. This swearing-in chart is active for 5 years, which is the normal term of the government. So let us compress dasas for 5 years. In JHora, you can go to the "mundane" tab, enter "5" years and "0" days and click the "swearing-in chart mode" button to compress all dasas to 5 years! As the lagna lord Sun is in 7th house, I prefer to use the Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you find Dwisaptati sama dasa with 72 years compressed to 5 years, you will find that Sun mahadasa runs till March 21 (hmm!!!) and Moon mahadasa will start then. Sun is lagna lord. So he is favorable. Right now, Sun-Rahu antardasa is runnign and that is why we see all the drama, intrigue, scandal and political controversy. On March 21 afternoon, Sun's compressed mahadasa will end and Moon's mahadasa will start. Moon is the 12th lord of losses and setbacks and he is debilitated in Scorpio. >From arudha lagna, he is in the 7th house and is a potential maraka to the government. Apamrityu sahamam (apamrityu=untimely/bad death, sahamam=significant point in the zodiac) is also in Scorpio. Moreover, Moon is the 22nd drekkana lord using Jagannatha drekkana (which is my preferred chart for seeing the 22nd drekkana lord). The same Moon is with 8th lord in both D-11 (Rudramsa) and D-30 (Trimsamsa). So Moon dasa can make the government fall. In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 font-family:Arial">Dear Sri Rao and friends, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Namasthe! font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">I would like to add my comments on the chart. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">I use Raman Ayanamsa. The planets continue to be in the same house in both Rasi and Bhava charts, but placements change in Navamsa chart. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">>In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. font-family:Arial">>Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. font-family:Arial">> font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">I would like to differ from you analysis. Lagna lord Sun aspects Lagna. Jupiter aspects the 8th house and he himself is the 8th lord. This combination indicates Long Life. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">If we consider the exchange of houses between 2nd and 8th lord, Mercury becomes exalted. Both 2nd and 8th house are concerned with longevity, but I don’t find a reason why they should reduce the life span by mere exchange. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">The 7th lord house indicates partners and its lord Saturn is placed in 11th, a house of foreign connections and gains. Here foreign connections can be interpreted as outside party members. Saturn is in Vargotthama. However, In the Bhava and Navamsa chart he is in the 12th house or the house of Loss. While the Rasi chart indicates the positive or negative results of a planetary placement, the Navamsa chart shows the higher or lower means by which the result is accomplished. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">For eg:, if Sun happens to be the 9th lord and he is Aries in Rasi chart, high position is indicated. The native could become a leader of a big company if Sun occupies a favorable house in the Navamsa chart or he could become the leader of a small firm if he occupies unfavorable houses in Navamsa. font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Soren’s statement, “On March 15, you will see that I have proved the majority. I can’t reveal my strategies” might become a reality. Saturn’s aspect on the 2nd house suggests that the “extra numbers” could be roped in with mutual financial agreements. Soren might complete his term but may have to deal with mundane matters carefully especially in the first half of his term. font-family:Arial"> Om Tat Sat, font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Monday, March 07, 2005 8:59 AM To: vedic astrology; [vedic astrology] Shibu Soren Government in Jharkhand 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Namaste friends, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">I was hoping that someone would give me the birthdata of Shibu Soren. But I could not get the data. So let me look at the swearing-in chart. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">The swearing-in data of Shibu Soren, current Jharkhand chief minister, is: 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">March 2, 2005 font-family:Arial">17:10 (IST) Ranchi, India font-family:Arial">Asc: 9Le20, Moon: 2Sc13 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">The BJP party claims that it has the support of 42 MPs needed to form the government. Shibu Soren claims that he has the support of 42 MPs and that BJP party kidnapped some independent MPs supporting him. Governer of Jharkhand state went with Shibu Soren and swore him in. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">I wanted to look at the swearing-in chart to see if Shibu Soren will succeed in winning over some MPS before the deadline (March 21) or if he will be toppled. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">This swearing-in chart is active for 5 years, which is the normal term of the government. So let us compress dasas for 5 years. In JHora, you can go to the "mundane" tab, enter "5" years and "0" days and click the "swearing-in chart mode" button to compress all dasas to 5 years! 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">As the lagna lord Sun is in 7th house, I prefer to use the Dwisaptati sama dasa. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">If you find Dwisaptati sama dasa with 72 years compressed to 5 years, you will find that Sun mahadasa runs till March 21 (hmm!!!) and Moon mahadasa will start then. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Sun is lagna lord. So he is favorable. Right now, Sun-Rahu antardasa is runnign and that is why we see all the drama, intrigue, scandal and political controversy. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">On March 21 afternoon, Sun's compressed mahadasa will end and Moon's mahadasa will start. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Moon is the 12th lord of losses and setbacks and he is debilitated in Scorpio. From arudha lagna, he is in the 7th house and is a potential maraka to the government. Apamrityu sahamam (apamrityu=untimely/bad death, sahamam=significant point in the zodiac) is also in Scorpio. Moreover, Moon is the 22nd drekkana lord using Jagannatha drekkana (which is my preferred chart for seeing the 22nd drekkana lord). The same Moon is with 8th lord in both D-11 (Rudramsa) and D-30 (Trimsamsa). 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">So Moon dasa can make the government fall. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org font-family:Arial">SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Shri.RamaSuprajarama, The Swearing –in-ceremony said to have taken place @ 17.10 hrs.IST. On 2nd March 2005 at Ranchi 23N33 – 85E23.The Mukurtha time fell on Aathijaya Mukurtha, Lagna Panchaka is 5, which is said to be good .The said time falls before the Lagna Thyajgya .According to thumb rule the Longevity is Poornayu, further natural benefic in 8th house and is aspected by the natural benefic Jupiter, indicates elongated longevity .The Swearing – in time indicates purushakaala, the 7th house indicates partners, where natural malefic Sun & natural benefic Venus are present which indicates to me, breaking way / separation / diverse among the partners and new reunion with different partners . Further in the compressed Vimsottri dasaa, the dasaa Lord Guru and bukthi Lord Raghu are placed in 8th and 6th positions to each other, which indicate to me Rajavaishamyam? I am also of the humble opinion that the natural benefic Mercury which represents Media, in the 8th house, would play an important / pivotal role as a catalyst. With regards, D.SathiyanarayanaGupta. Raman Suprajarama <cru115 (AT) niranjanbabu (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sri Rao and friends, Namasthe! I would like to add my comments on the chart. I use Raman Ayanamsa. The planets continue to be in the same house in both Rasi and Bhava charts, but placements change in Navamsa chart. >In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. >Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. > I would like to differ from you analysis. Lagna lord Sun aspects Lagna. Jupiter aspects the 8th house and he himself is the 8th lord. This combination indicates Long Life. If we consider the exchange of houses between 2nd and 8th lord, Mercury becomes exalted. Both 2nd and 8th house are concerned with longevity, but I don’t find a reason why they should reduce the life span by mere exchange. The 7th lord house indicates partners and its lord Saturn is placed in 11th, a house of foreign connections and gains. Here foreign connections can be interpreted as outside party members. Saturn is in Vargotthama. However, In the Bhava and Navamsa chart he is in the 12th house or the house of Loss. While the Rasi chart indicates the positive or negative results of a planetary placement, the Navamsa chart shows the higher or lower means by which the result is accomplished. For eg:, if Sun happens to be the 9th lord and he is Aries in Rasi chart, high position is indicated. The native could become a leader of a big company if Sun occupies a favorable house in the Navamsa chart or he could become the leader of a small firm if he occupies unfavorable houses in Navamsa. Soren’s statement, “On March 15, you will see that I have proved the majority. I can’t reveal my strategies” might become a reality. Saturn’s aspect on the 2nd house suggests that the “extra numbers” could be roped in with mutual financial agreements. Soren might complete his term but may have to deal with mundane matters carefully especially in the first half of his term. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Monday, March 07, 2005 8:59 AMvedic astrology; Subject: [vedic astrology] Shibu Soren Government in Jharkhand Namaste friends, I was hoping that someone would give me the birthdata of Shibu Soren. But I could not get the data. So let me look at the swearing-in chart. The swearing-in data of Shibu Soren, current Jharkhand chief minister, is: March 2, 2005 17:10 (IST) Ranchi, India Asc: 9Le20, Moon: 2Sc13 The BJP party claims that it has the support of 42 MPs needed to form the government. Shibu Soren claims that he has the support of 42 MPs and that BJP party kidnapped some independent MPs supporting him. Governer of Jharkhand state went with Shibu Soren and swore him in. I wanted to look at the swearing-in chart to see if Shibu Soren will succeed in winning over some MPS before the deadline (March 21) or if he will be toppled. This swearing-in chart is active for 5 years, which is the normal term of the government. So let us compress dasas for 5 years. In JHora, you can go to the "mundane" tab, enter "5" years and "0" days and click the "swearing-in chart mode" button to compress all dasas to 5 years! As the lagna lord Sun is in 7th house, I prefer to use the Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you find Dwisaptati sama dasa with 72 years compressed to 5 years, you will find that Sun mahadasa runs till March 21 (hmm!!!) and Moon mahadasa will start then. Sun is lagna lord. So he is favorable. Right now, Sun-Rahu antardasa is runnign and that is why we see all the drama, intrigue, scandal and political controversy. On March 21 afternoon, Sun's compressed mahadasa will end and Moon's mahadasa will start. Moon is the 12th lord of losses and setbacks and he is debilitated in Scorpio. >From arudha lagna, he is in the 7th house and is a potential maraka to the government. Apamrityu sahamam (apamrityu=untimely/bad death, sahamam=significant point in the zodiac) is also in Scorpio. Moreover, Moon is the 22nd drekkana lord using Jagannatha drekkana (which is my preferred chart for seeing the 22nd drekkana lord). The same Moon is with 8th lord in both D-11 (Rudramsa) and D-30 (Trimsamsa). So Moon dasa can make the government fall. In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Namaste friends, Due to some bad combinations indicating a short life, like an exchange between 2nd and 8th lords, presence of 3rd lord in 7th (3rd and 8th are houses of vitality and longevity and 2nd and 7th houses show loss of vitality and life) and presence of Gulika in Ghatika lagna, I expected Shibu Soren government to fall in India and said the same in the mail quoted below. However, I timed the fall incorrectly. For the benefit of interested co-learners, I want to explain the timing in hindsight. As I said in the mail below, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies because of lagna lord Sun's placement in 7th. If we compress 72 years of Dwisaptati sama dasa to 5 years, we get the following: Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Sun MD: 2004-08-08 (6:35:11) - 2005-03-21 (14:06:06) Rah AD: 2005-02-21 (11:25:53) - 2005-03-21 (14:06:06) Pratyantardasas in this AD: Rah: 2005-02-21 (11:25:53) - 2005-02-24 (23:16:44) Sun: 2005-02-24 (23:16:44) - 2005-02-28 (11:15:47) Moon: 2005-02-28 (11:15:47) - 2005-03-03 (23:22:11) Mars: 2005-03-03 (23:22:11) - 2005-03-07 (11:35:55) Merc: 2005-03-07 (11:35:55) - 2005-03-10 (23:58:01) Jup: 2005-03-10 (23:58:01) - 2005-03-14 (12:29:53) <<<< Ven: 2005-03-14 (12:29:53) - 2005-03-18 (1:12:19) Sat: 2005-03-18 (1:12:19) - 2005-03-21 (14:06:06) During the entire Sun-Rahu antardasa, this government's installation became a scandal and a big controversy. Rahu is not only the planet of scandals, but is the 7th lord and a potential maraka too. This is something I ignored before. I also ignored the fact that the 7th house cusp is in mrityu bhaga. So two planets associated with the 7th house (Sun in 7th and Rahu owning it) can give the result. During the pratyantardasas of Mercury and Jupiter who have an exchange, the judiciary intervened and the government fell. Mercury acts like Jupiter and gives Jupiter's results. So judiciary intervened to the trouble of this government in Mercury PD. In Jupiter PD, Jupiter acted like 2nd lord Mercury and the curtains came down. We have already seen that exchange of 8th lord with 2nd/7th lords is inauspicious and Jupiter and Mercury have such an exchange. It was their pratyantardasas in which all the drama took place. There was one more factor I did not mention but used in my prediction that Shibu Soren government would fall. The weekday lord Mercury was in 8th. Having the weekday lord in 8th is usually not good for longevity in a muhurta. The panchangas (five limbs of Time) stand for pancha bhootas. Weekday stands for agni (fire), tithi stands for jala (water), nakshatra for vayu (air), karana for prithvi (earth) and yoga for aakaasa (ether). While watery nature is important for prosperity, wealth etc and ethery nature is important for the binding force that binds various elements together and brings harmony, fiery nature is important for vitality and survival. If the weekday lord is in 8th in a muhurta chart, it is difficult for longevity. One more factor I noticed but did not mention was that upagraha Mrityu (meaning: death), who rises in the portion of Mars, is in lagna, within a degree from the longitude of lagna!! I am not 100% sure if this factor had a role to play, but I found it curious that Mrityu was so close to lagna. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology ; Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:29 PM Shibu Soren Government in Jharkhand Namaste friends, I was hoping that someone would give me the birthdata of Shibu Soren. But I could not get the data. So let me look at the swearing-in chart. The swearing-in data of Shibu Soren, current Jharkhand chief minister, is: March 2, 2005 17:10 (IST) Ranchi, India Asc: 9Le20, Moon: 2Sc13 The BJP party claims that it has the support of 42 MPs needed to form the government. Shibu Soren claims that he has the support of 42 MPs and that BJP party kidnapped some independent MPs supporting him. Governer of Jharkhand state went with Shibu Soren and swore him in. I wanted to look at the swearing-in chart to see if Shibu Soren will succeed in winning over some MPS before the deadline (March 21) or if he will be toppled. This swearing-in chart is active for 5 years, which is the normal term of the government. So let us compress dasas for 5 years. In JHora, you can go to the "mundane" tab, enter "5" years and "0" days and click the "swearing-in chart mode" button to compress all dasas to 5 years! As the lagna lord Sun is in 7th house, I prefer to use the Dwisaptati sama dasa. If you find Dwisaptati sama dasa with 72 years compressed to 5 years, you will find that Sun mahadasa runs till March 21 (hmm!!!) and Moon mahadasa will start then. Sun is lagna lord. So he is favorable. Right now, Sun-Rahu antardasa is runnign and that is why we see all the drama, intrigue, scandal and political controversy. On March 21 afternoon, Sun's compressed mahadasa will end and Moon's mahadasa will start. Moon is the 12th lord of losses and setbacks and he is debilitated in Scorpio. >From arudha lagna, he is in the 7th house and is a potential maraka to the government. Apamrityu sahamam (apamrityu=untimely/bad death, sahamam=significant point in the zodiac) is also in Scorpio. Moreover, Moon is the 22nd drekkana lord using Jagannatha drekkana (which is my preferred chart for seeing the 22nd drekkana lord). The same Moon is with 8th lord in both D-11 (Rudramsa) and D-30 (Trimsamsa). So Moon dasa can make the government fall. In this chart, 2nd lord Mercury is in 8th and 8th lord Jupiter is in 2nd. An exchange between 8th lord and 2nd lord is not an auspicious indicator of a long life. Overall, the chances seem slim that Shibu Soren will be able to pull off a majority. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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