Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Pratibha, Namskar. The last Q i want to answer. It is called rajyabhanga neecha yoga. When you are expected to win, you will lose! (because dharma is not supporting it). Reg. AL & UL - compatibility, you will look at Rasi chart. This is more to do with the physical living. When you are analysing a chart, you will face several contradictions, you need to cope with them. And come to the right conclusions. Navamsa is a very important chart, and is the least controversial of the divisional charts! ( in the sense that it is widely used) regards suryaviswanadham vedic astrology, "jyotraff" <jyotraff> wrote: > > Dear Pratibha, > > > Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? > > ****** > To know the matters of Dharma, luck, inner nature, abilities, > direction of soul and finally marriage. Without Navamsa Your > analysis is a bit superficial. > ******* > > > > > I have always heard that one consults that chart to > > learn about the marriage (and of course the strength > > of the planets) So, at what point should one take a > > look at the D9 ? > > ******** > In taking every chart You MUST look at Dharmamsa. > ******** > > > > > Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the > > Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it > > corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ? > ********** > NO. You take the two altogether, only You have to learn > usage of this two. > *********** > > > > And that brings me to another question : When > > considering the strengths of the planets, does the > > debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really > > matter that much ?? > > Very much. Specifically in question of luck in life. > > If someone has an exalted planet > > in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what > > exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ? > > Exalted in Rasi and Debilitated in Dharmamsa:). > > > with regards, > Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Kasturi, Precisely. Because Navamsa is the dharmamsa, the ninth division of the rasi chart, we see marriage in it...as marriage is a dharma. Best regards, Sarbani rkrangan (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in [rkrangan (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in] On Behalf Of R. Kasthuri RanganSunday, March 06, 2005 11:59 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: AL & UL Om Gurave NamahDear PratibhaPlease find my comments below:>It seems that the emphasis is on the Rasi Chart. Which>brings me to the question : >>Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? >> >One dictum I remember is "Navaamse Kalatraanam", which means that for all marriage related issues one has to see the Navamsa. It is said that one can fully rely on the D-9 when it comes to marriage/relationships. Navamsa can be used for precise timing of marriage, nature of spouse etc. Navamsa is also known as Dharmamsa as marriage and children (fruits of marriage) are as per one's dharma. So Navamsa can reveal the dharma of the native. Navamsa can be used very effectively in prasna too.>I have always heard that one consults that chart to>learn about the marriage (and of course the strength>of the planets) So, at what point should one take a>look at the D9 ?>>Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the>Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it>corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ?>>And that brings me to another question : When>considering the strengths of the planets, does the>debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really>matter that much ?? If someone has an exalted planet>in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what>exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ?>> >Ajith has already answered this question.Try and get the paper on Navamsa presented at the SJC conferences earlier. You can also read on Navamsa in the book "Varga Chakra" presented at the 1st SJC Conference, Hyderabad which is available at book shops.You will be surprised at how much the Navamsa can reveal by itself.As regards your doubts about UL and AL, I am sure if you read PVR Narasimha's book you will get a good idea. I am sure your further doubts can be answered by this list as well.Best wishesR. Kasthuri RanganArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Namaste, I have heard that before, but tell me what is not dharma. Kids is not dharma ? Career is not Dharma ? One explanation would be to perform religious duties( read ritualistic dharma) like pooja etc. one needs as spouse so navansha is for spouse. .... On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:54:50 +0530, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Kasturi, > > Precisely. Because Navamsa is the dharmamsa, the ninth division of the rasi > chart, we see marriage in it...as marriage is a dharma. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > ________________________________ > rkrangan [rkrangan] On Behalf Of R. > Kasthuri Rangan > Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:59 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: AL & UL > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Pratibha > > Please find my comments below: > > >It seems that the emphasis is on the Rasi Chart. Which > >brings me to the question : > > > >Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? > > > > > > > One dictum I remember is "Navaamse Kalatraanam", which means that for > all marriage related issues one has to see the Navamsa. It is said that > one can fully rely on the D-9 when it comes to marriage/relationships. > Navamsa can be used for precise timing of marriage, nature of spouse > etc. Navamsa is also known as Dharmamsa as marriage and children (fruits > of marriage) are as per one's dharma. So Navamsa can reveal the dharma > of the native. Navamsa can be used very effectively in prasna too. > > >I have always heard that one consults that chart to > >learn about the marriage (and of course the strength > >of the planets) So, at what point should one take a > >look at the D9 ? > > > >Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the > >Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it > >corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ? > > > >And that brings me to another question : When > >considering the strengths of the planets, does the > >debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really > >matter that much ?? If someone has an exalted planet > >in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what > >exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ? > > > > > > > Ajith has already answered this question. > > Try and get the paper on Navamsa presented at the SJC conferences > earlier. You can also read on Navamsa in the book "Varga Chakra" > presented at the 1st SJC Conference, Hyderabad which is available at > book shops.You will be surprised at how much the Navamsa can reveal by > itself. > > As regards your doubts about UL and AL, I am sure if you read PVR > Narasimha's book you will get a good idea. I am sure your further doubts > can be answered by this list as well. > > Best wishes > R. Kasthuri Rangan > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > Children International > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > ·Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > Learn More > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Pratibha, We normally see the arudhas in the rashi chart, as Parasara does not mention anywhere about seeing them in the divisional charts. However, it does not mean that we should not see them there, but we are still unclear about their usage in the divisional charts. We see the different relationships in both rasi and navamsa. Then we time that with dasas. For breakage of marriage the involvement of the 8th house is important. A marriage is not bad simply because the AL and the UL are in 2/12 form each other. It may mean that one spouse may ignore the other. Also see the two lord of the AL and UL. If they are basically friendly to each other, then that bodes well for the relationship. What is bad is a 6/8 relationship. For sustenance of marriage, we see the 2nd house from the UL. Malefic influences on that house is not good for the survival of the marriage. Best regards, Sarbani > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha James> > <pratibha_james> wrote:> > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look > only> > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? > What> > > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally> > > considered ?> > > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the > 12th> > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not > at> > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house,> > > giving a totally different picture.> > > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time> > > improves ? > > > > > > thanks,> > > Pratibha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > Links> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/> > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > vedic astrology> > > > > > Terms of > Service.> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Sponsor> > > ________________________________> Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> vedic astrology/> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Mr. Sarbani, Thanks so much for your response. It explained a lot. Really did. Supposing in a chart the AL/UL are in 2/12 position, but in the chart of the spouse, they are in trines. Assuming everything else is normal and supporting the relationship, can one imply that for one partner the relationship is good, but for the other it is not so good ? Something like, although we are talking of one marriage only, but the way it is percieved by each of the partners or by the world it gives a different view ? Is it just a matter of perception by each, or in reality the effect of the marriage is different on each partner ? Thanks, Pratibha --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Pratibha, > > We normally see the arudhas in the rashi chart, as > Parasara does not mention > anywhere about seeing them in the divisional charts. > However, it does not > mean that we should not see them there, but we are > still unclear about their > usage in the divisional charts. We see the different > relationships in both > rasi and navamsa. Then we time that with dasas. For > breakage of marriage the > involvement of the 8th house is important. A > marriage is not bad simply > because the AL and the UL are in 2/12 form each > other. It may mean that one > spouse may ignore the other. Also see the two lord > of the AL and UL. If they > are basically friendly to each other, then that > bodes well for the > relationship. What is bad is a 6/8 relationship. For > sustenance of marriage, > we see the 2nd house from the UL. Malefic influences > on that house is not > good for the survival of the marriage. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha > James > > > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and > UL, are we to look > > only > > > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the > Navamsa Chart also ? > > What > > > > if there is a difference, then which chart's > positions get finally > > > > considered ? > > > > > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL > is placed in the > > 12th > > > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the > relationship is not > > at > > > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL > are in the same house, > > > > giving a totally different picture. > > > > > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of > bad, but over time > > > > improves ? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us > ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > Sponsor > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1290ontvp/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1110134507/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http://www. > netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2593423/rand=471998510> > > _____ > > Links > > > * > vedic astrology/ > > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > > > * > Terms of Service > <> . > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! http://sg.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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