Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Hello, When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look only at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? What if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally considered ? For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the 12th from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not at its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house, giving a totally different picture. Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time improves ? thanks, Pratibha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Dear Pratibha, When we talk about personal situation in question of marriage we take the rasi chart. with regards, Rafal > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look only > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? What > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally > considered ? > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the 12th > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not at > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house, > giving a totally different picture. > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time > improves ? > > thanks, > Pratibha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Namaste, I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one wants to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have said on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune what rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional chart can not stand on its own. Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from lagna as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra. .... On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha James <pratibha_james wrote: > > Hello, > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look only > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? What > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally > considered ? > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the 12th > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not at > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house, > giving a totally different picture. > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time > improves ? > > thanks, > Pratibha > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 > > I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one wants > to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have said > on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune what > rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional > chart can not stand on its own. > > Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from lagna > as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra. This is only Your opinion, try to learn accept other's views. with regards, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Namaste Panditji, How would you interpret in the following situations: 1. Malefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in trines 2. Benefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in dusthana 3. If both benefic in 7th & 7th lord not in dusthana , but If venus is dusthana or in cojunction with malefic like Rahu. How would you arrange the above situations in descending order? Regards, Pradeep vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > Namaste, > > I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one wants > to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have said > on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune what > rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional > chart can not stand on its own. > > Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from lagna > as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra. > > ... > > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha James > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look only > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? What > > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally > > considered ? > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the 12th > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not at > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house, > > giving a totally different picture. > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time > > improves ? > > > > thanks, > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Namaste, What I write can only be my opinion which has been formed over reading of many charts. Why are you taking offense ? I told what I use , you are free to use what you like, who has put a stop to it. .... On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:50:02 -0000, jyotraff <jyotraff wrote: > > > > > > I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one > wants > > to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have > said > > on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune > what > > rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional > > chart can not stand on its own. > > > > Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from > lagna > > as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra. > > This is only Your opinion, try to learn accept other's views. > > with regards, > Rafal > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Dear Pandit Ji Your mail had absolute tone. with regards, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Namaste, In the situation you described both malefic and benefic influences will play out. One has to understand while studying jyotish is that it is not a digital endeavor, nor is it linear logic. These are complex non linear systems and it takes jyotish dristi to decipher the cliching parameter. What I stated is a general outline that one can follow. It takes yars and years of studying kundali after kundali to develop that vision. Then on top of that there are some superceding combinations. If I recall correctly, in BV Raman's "My experiences with Astrology" he has given a case where most aslologers predicted gloom for marraige for a girl, except one astrologer and he quoted the shloka and I am paraprasing from my memory "If sventh lord is in 6th and venus is with rahu, the woman will get a good husband and happy married life". And he proved to be correct. The point is, use time tested principles, and there is a good model developed by esteemed jyotishis from KN Rao, BV Raman. Try and study these first and see whether these work in 70-80 percent of the cases. They may not work on all horoscopes, but don't go creating rules for exceptions thinking they are the norms. Exceptions are called so because they do not fall into the norm. .... On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:18:59 -0000, pp_gurav <pp_gurav wrote: > > Namaste Panditji, > > How would you interpret in the following situations: > > 1. Malefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in trines > 2. Benefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in dusthana > 3. If both benefic in 7th & 7th lord not in dusthana , but If venus > is dusthana or in cojunction with malefic like Rahu. > > How would you arrange the above situations in descending order? > > Regards, > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one > wants > > to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have said > > on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune > what > > rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional > > chart can not stand on its own. > > > > Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from lagna > > as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra. > > > > ... > > > > > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha James > > <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look > only > > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? > What > > > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally > > > considered ? > > > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the > 12th > > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not > at > > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house, > > > giving a totally different picture. > > > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time > > > improves ? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Links > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Excellent. I agree completely. Praveen Kumar - Panditji vedic astrology 06, 03, 2005 12:11 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: AL & UL Namaste,In the situation you described both malefic and benefic influenceswill play out. One has to understand while studying jyotish is that itis not a digital endeavor, nor is it linear logic. These are complexnon linear systems and it takes jyotish dristi to decipher thecliching parameter. What I stated is a general outline that one canfollow. It takes yars and years of studying kundali after kundali todevelop that vision.Then on top of that there are some superceding combinations. If Irecall correctly, in BV Raman's "My experiences with Astrology" he hasgiven a case where most aslologers predicted gloom for marraige for agirl, except one astrologer and he quoted the shloka and I amparaprasing from my memory "If sventh lord is in 6th and venus is withrahu, the woman will get a good husband and happy married life". Andhe proved to be correct.The point is, use time tested principles, and there is a good modeldeveloped by esteemed jyotishis from KN Rao, BV Raman. Try and studythese first and see whether these work in 70-80 percent of the cases.They may not work on all horoscopes, but don't go creating rules forexceptions thinking they are the norms. Exceptions are called sobecause they do not fall into the norm....On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:18:59 -0000, pp_gurav <pp_gurav > wrote:> > Namaste Panditji,> > How would you interpret in the following situations:> > 1. Malefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in trines> 2. Benefic in 7th but 7th lord placed in dusthana> 3. If both benefic in 7th & 7th lord not in dusthana , but If venus > is dusthana or in cojunction with malefic like Rahu.> > How would you arrange the above situations in descending order?> > Regards,> Pradeep> > > vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > > > I firstly do not use these concepts of Al and UL. However if one > wants> > to use them, rashi chart trumps the divisional chart. As I have said> > on this list before, divisional chart if one uses is to fine tune > what> > rashi chart promises, or to see the strengths of grahas. Divisional> > chart can not stand on its own.> > > > Look for 7th house and seventh lord and influences on it, from lagna> > as well as moon, and then look at the karaka shukra.> > > > ...> > > > > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:21:49 -0000, Pratibha James> > <pratibha_james> wrote:> > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, are we to look > only> > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the Navamsa Chart also ? > What> > > if there is a difference, then which chart's positions get finally> > > considered ?> > > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is placed in the > 12th> > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the relationship is not > at> > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in the same house,> > > giving a totally different picture.> > > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, but over time> > > improves ? > > > > > > thanks,> > > Pratibha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > Links> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/> > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > vedic astrology> > > > > > Terms of > Service.> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Sponsor> > > ________________________________> Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> vedic astrology/> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Dear members, Thanks a lot for all your replies. It seems that the emphasis is on the Rasi Chart. Which brings me to the question : Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? I have always heard that one consults that chart to learn about the marriage (and of course the strength of the planets) So, at what point should one take a look at the D9 ? Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ? And that brings me to another question : When considering the strengths of the planets, does the debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really matter that much ?? If someone has an exalted planet in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ? Thanks a lot, and really waiting a reply Pratibha --- jyotraff <jyotraff wrote: > > > Dear Pratibha, > > When we talk about personal situation in question of > marriage we > take the rasi chart. > > > with regards, > Rafal > > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL, > are we to look > only > > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the > Navamsa Chart also ? > What > > if there is a difference, then which chart's > positions get finally > > considered ? > > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is > placed in the 12th > > from AL - thus giving the impression that the > relationship is not > at > > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in > the same house, > > giving a totally different picture. > > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad, > but over time > > improves ? > > > > thanks, > > Pratibha > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Has someone you know been affected by illness or > disease? > Network for Good is THE place to support health > awareness efforts! > http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM > --~-> > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > Links > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! http://sg.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Navamsa is the one nineth division of the rasi chart and as such is derived from the rasi chart. So the navamsa cannot show that other than what the Rasi shows. As for a planet thatis exhalted in rasi and debilitated in navamsa( assuming no neech bhanga) it will ultimately lead to a fall after giving initial postive effects pertaining to the natural significantions of the planet or lordships. the reverse is true if debilitated in rasi and exhalted in navamsa. That is in effect a cancellation of debility. Best regards Ajithpratibha james <pratibha_james .sg> wrote: Dear members,Thanks a lot for all your replies. It seems that the emphasis is on the Rasi Chart. Whichbrings me to the question : Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? I have always heard that one consults that chart tolearn about the marriage (and of course the strengthof the planets) So, at what point should one take alook at the D9 ?Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what theRasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if itcorroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ?And that brings me to another question : Whenconsidering the strengths of the planets, does thedebility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa reallymatter that much ?? If someone has an exalted planetin Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, whatexactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ?Thanks a lot, and really waiting a replyPratibha --- jyotraff <jyotraff > wrote:> > > Dear Pratibha,> > When we talk about personal situation in question of> marriage we > take the rasi chart. > > > with regards,> Rafal> > > > > > When we talk about the position between AL and UL,> are we to look > only> > at the Rasi Chart ? Or does one look at the> Navamsa Chart also ? > What> > if there is a difference, then which chart's> positions get finally> > considered ?> > > > For instance, in a persons Rasi chart, the UL is> placed in the 12th> > from AL - thus giving the impression that the> relationship is not > at> > its best. But in the Navamsa, the AL and UL are in> the same house,> > giving a totally different picture.> > > > Does it imply that the relationship starts of bad,> but over time> > improves ? > > > > thanks,> > Pratibha> > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor> --------------------~--> > Has someone you know been affected by illness or> disease?> Network for Good is THE place to support health> awareness efforts!>http://us.click./UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM>--~->> > > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu> || > Links> > > vedic astrology> > > > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone!http://sg.messenger.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Mobile- Download the latest ringtones, games, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Pratibha Please find my comments below: >It seems that the emphasis is on the Rasi Chart. Which >brings me to the question : > >Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? > > > One dictum I remember is "Navaamse Kalatraanam", which means that for all marriage related issues one has to see the Navamsa. It is said that one can fully rely on the D-9 when it comes to marriage/relationships. Navamsa can be used for precise timing of marriage, nature of spouse etc. Navamsa is also known as Dharmamsa as marriage and children (fruits of marriage) are as per one's dharma. So Navamsa can reveal the dharma of the native. Navamsa can be used very effectively in prasna too. >I have always heard that one consults that chart to >learn about the marriage (and of course the strength >of the planets) So, at what point should one take a >look at the D9 ? > >Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the >Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it >corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ? > >And that brings me to another question : When >considering the strengths of the planets, does the >debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really >matter that much ?? If someone has an exalted planet >in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what >exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ? > > > Ajith has already answered this question. Try and get the paper on Navamsa presented at the SJC conferences earlier. You can also read on Navamsa in the book "Varga Chakra" presented at the 1st SJC Conference, Hyderabad which is available at book shops.You will be surprised at how much the Navamsa can reveal by itself. As regards your doubts about UL and AL, I am sure if you read PVR Narasimha's book you will get a good idea. I am sure your further doubts can be answered by this list as well. Best wishes R. Kasthuri Rangan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Dear Pratibha, > Then why have the Navamsa chart at all ? ****** To know the matters of Dharma, luck, inner nature, abilities, direction of soul and finally marriage. Without Navamsa Your analysis is a bit superficial. ******* > > I have always heard that one consults that chart to > learn about the marriage (and of course the strength > of the planets) So, at what point should one take a > look at the D9 ? ******** In taking every chart You MUST look at Dharmamsa. ******** > > Is one to assume that if the D9 contradicts what the > Rasi chart predicts, then we ignore the D9, but if it > corroborates the Rasi, then we take it as true ? ********** NO. You take the two altogether, only You have to learn usage of this two. *********** > > And that brings me to another question : When > considering the strengths of the planets, does the > debility or exaltation of a planet in navamsa really > matter that much ?? Very much. Specifically in question of luck in life. If someone has an exalted planet > in Rasi, with it being debilitated in the D9, what > exactly is its position - Exaltation or debilitation ? Exalted in Rasi and Debilitated in Dharmamsa:). with regards, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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