one basic query as a tantric to all members

[Guest guest]

How old are you?

 

There is old saying : one will do anything at the age of 20, by 30 he

shall be quick in actions (without thought of its consequences) and at

40 gains wisdom (mostly by experience).

 

In whole of puranic stories only sage viswamitra succeeded in breaking

kala chakra and the cosmic power that too only in a small way. read

trisanku's story.

 

More over beware of what you say or even boast. CBI and the Income Tax

department is investigating tantrics and astrologers who make have

become rich. they recently conducted raid at several places and

penalised totaling about a crore.

 

Suresh

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "shivbhakta22"

<shivbhakta22@h...> wrote:

> repected all members, first of all pranam to all,

> i just wanted to enqire from all my astro friends that is tantra

voilating astrology,i mean to say for example you see a hor and you

comment that it is mahadahsa of lagnaesh or something good time and me

by tantra break and fracture his leg and hand,

>

> firstly my query is that is it pyscially possible if you say yes

then you accept the power of tnatra above astro, thenthe question

ishow does we take it into account,

>

> if you think it is physcially impossible that by tantra i cannot

break one's handor leg by tantra,well i have only then to say that me

personally hve breaked many and my friends enemies hence it is

possible i can even show you that but only on you because i cannot put

my hands on everyone it is not good i can show on you that it happens

that astro is voilated by tantra,

[Guest guest]

repected all members, first of all pranam to all,

i just wanted to enqire from all my astro friends that is tantra voilating

astrology,i mean to say for example you see a hor and you comment that it is

mahadahsa of lagnaesh or something good time and me by tantra break and

fracture his leg and hand,

 

firstly my query is that is it pyscially possible if you say yes then you accept

the power of tnatra above astro, thenthe question ishow does we take it into

account,

 

if you think it is physcially impossible that by tantra i cannot break one's

handor leg by tantra,well i have only then to say that me personally hve

breaked many and my friends enemies hence it is possible i can even show you

that but only on you because i cannot put my hands on everyone it is not good i

can show on you that it happens that astro is voilated by tantra,

[Guest guest]

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dear shivabhakti22,

tantra cannot "overcome" astrology. only by using tantra to invoke

the grace - kripa- of the guru/ishta devata, can karma be

altered...for the better.

otherwise, if someone does not have the karma to suffer a broken

leg, at least not during a certain period, then a million tantrics

cannot make it happen. conversly, if someone has the karma to suffer

a broken leg, then it may very well happen without even one tantric.

if someone were made to suffer a broken leg due to a tantric, during

a "good" dasha/bhukti, then the astrologer who said nothing bad

would happen in that period simply did not have sufficient jyotir

vidya. perhaps the appropriate divisional charts were not looked at,

or perhaps such astrological comments given to one who went on to

suffer a broken leg were meant in a general way.

now, concerning the karma of braking legs and arms... but that's

another story. anyway, as per my limited understanding, anything

that increases one's sense of self-identity, the ego, and pride, and

anything that soldifies maya in ones perceptions, making maya seem

solid and real, is not true tantra. tantra is transforming ones

deluded self ego identity into identifying with the atman, in the

form of the devata, and transforming the mental kleshas into their

true state, which are also ishvara, using mantra mudra yantra and

puja, internal or external. tantra is seeing all as ishvara. thats

it. anything else is not real tantra.

may any learned member correct me.

may you be led to the feet of your lord shiva, through your bhakti.

kalidas

 

 

 

 

In vedic astrology, "sureshbabuag"

<sureshbabuag> wrote:

>

>

> How old are you?

>

> There is old saying : one will do anything at the age of 20, by 30

he

> shall be quick in actions (without thought of its consequences)

and at

> 40 gains wisdom (mostly by experience).

>

> In whole of puranic stories only sage viswamitra succeeded in

breaking

> kala chakra and the cosmic power that too only in a small way.

read

> trisanku's story.

>

> More over beware of what you say or even boast. CBI and the Income

Tax

> department is investigating tantrics and astrologers who make have

> become rich. they recently conducted raid at several places and

> penalised totaling about a crore.

>

> Suresh

vedic astrology, "shivbhakta22"

> <shivbhakta22@h...> wrote:

> > repected all members, first of all pranam to all,

> > i just wanted to enqire from all my astro friends that is tantra

> voilating astrology,i mean to say for example you see a hor and you

> comment that it is mahadahsa of lagnaesh or something good time

and me

> by tantra break and fracture his leg and hand,

> >

> > firstly my query is that is it pyscially possible if you say yes

> then you accept the power of tnatra above astro, thenthe question

> ishow does we take it into account,

> >

> > if you think it is physcially impossible that by tantra i cannot

> break one's handor leg by tantra,well i have only then to say that

me

> personally hve breaked many and my friends enemies hence it is

> possible i can even show you that but only on you because i cannot

put

> my hands on everyone it is not good i can show on you that it

happens

> that astro is voilated by tantra,