Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Dear Imran and All I did not get the answer and Imran I don't know why you thought my message as a criticism and why you thought I consider astrology as static. I know the importance of time and space in a chart. My question was how this time and space consideration changes with time. Is the time-space consideration in a chart automatically taking care of the evolution of the planet or the original givers did not consider this aspect of earth. You mentioned about change in interpretation of a person's career with time. As I understand it is based on an empirical relation that contemporary astrologers must develop by themselves. For example, I don't need any knowledge in astrology to predict a student in X training center to be in US after a couple of years. My success of prediction will be 80%. This is because I know that 8 out of ten students of this software training institute go to US. Since this kind of contemporary interpretation is external to the internal time and space calculation, it defeats the theory that everything is already included in the time and space relations. It will sound ridiculous if I say a career of hydrogen-oxygen neutron conversion engineer in planet Mars. I will not be surprised if a contemporary astrologer predicts a career like that, 300 years from now. Coming back to my original point; I understand that the original theories might have considered the evolution of time and space. The statement I am going to make now is based on the understanding that I gather from local pandits from rural places in Orissa. These local astrologers most of whom have not seen high schools surprise me by their brilliant interpretation and accurate predictions. Some of them told me that time is divided into 4 yugas; sataya, dwapara, treteya and kali. Each yoga is again subdivided into several sub- periods. I think most of you already know about these time partitions. The partition of yugas is mainly based on the principle of the percentage of truth and false. But there are other parameters like the percentage of pancha mahabutha. In each of those yugas a certain element becomes stronger and that helps in giving a particular shape to a particular space. There are also divisions of space, swarge, martyia and patal; in contemporary terms those are developed, developing and underdeveloped worlds. Consider an X person is in a developed country in the best period of time; he will be always better than a person in underdeveloped country at any time – in absolute terms. If the person's wealth in the developed country falls below the poverty line of that region, he will have experience of poverty but his living standard will be higher than underdeveloped region. By chance if he comes to the underdeveloped world the same amount of wealth will make him enjoy a rich life. However, since he has to live in patal, he must adjust himself to the patal environment and he can not expect to get all pleasures of swarga. To cut the long story short this interpretation might help to some extent to understand the intrinsinc nature of time and space relation, it did not answer the basic question how the evolution of the society might be inherent in a person's chart. You may be aware of global warming issue and may know that the anthropogenic gases being emitted by the rapid phase of development taken up by the human society. But you may not be aware that this global warming actually averted an ice age which was due based on sun and earth orbital change. In other words the dynamic humanoids of the dynamic planet earth unwittingly saved themselves. Can our time-space calculations see that? I don't know and it is not a criticism. About my point on marriage prediction of young girls; my local astrologers told me that in general there always exists a first marriage yoga around the age of 17 and 18 with secondary and tertiary yogas in latter lives of most females. But with changing time, they change the interpretations; sometime giving importance to first one, in other times to second or third. Jokingly they warned me to be alert for my daughter during the first phase of marriage yoga considering present day situations in western world which is also fast approaching in India. I feel uneasy about remedial astrology. I believe that prayers work to alleviate or at least reduce certain difficulties in live. But once we consider such a change, the path of karma and our journey through life is not linear. I am comfortable if someone says everything is made in time and we just experience it; we need the body to experience it and parents provide the window. Perfect. But with remedial measure or bad deeds we can change the path originally designed. This is dynamic and non-linear. Then it will be extremely difficult to trace our past and future. Hopefully some gurus will enlighten us on these issues. Swadhin > Dear Swadhin, > > The critique you made was reasonable if one consider > the astrology as static. But in reality, astrology is > dynamic. > > There are two faces of every object in this world, > soul and body. Soul is universal and beyond time and > space but the body is subject to time and space. In a > similar way, astrological priciples and theories can > be described. > > In astrology, objective principles of planets, signs, > houses, etc. donot change but thier realization and > manifestation depend upon the time and space. > > Say, if a person of ancient time has exalted Sun in > 10th house, means he would earn by forest and fire > work. In 500 years ago, this combination led to > earning through King's court or warlordship. But at > present, it may be said that the person would be a > manager/director in multinational company or a > Bureaucrat. > > Similarly space matters also. Identical combinations > in chart of different nationals cause different > results. Lets say two person born in a same day with > same charts. But one born in Japan and another one is > in Afghanistan. Obviously the person born in Japan > naturally has greater probability of longevity, good > food and improved education as compare to the person > born in Afghanistan with identical natal chart. > > Your another point was regarding long-run social > changes and validity of astrology. This issue is > addressed by 'mundane astrology'. Although tools of > mundane astrology has not reached that attainment, > needs to rank it a 'science'. But it is hoped that > sooner or latter astrology would surely able to answer > such socio-economic behavior with greater certainity. > > M.Imran --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Swadhin > > > > So you have just proved that astrologers also > > require common sense > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:58:19 -0000, Swadhin > > <beherajapan> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members: > > > > > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing > > time in the > > > society. For example, several decades ago a > > prediction of girl's > > > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If > > someone gives > > > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. > > How did > > > prediction change now though principle of > > prediction is based on the > > > same old theories? > > > > > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so > > high that it was > > > enough to predict a well to do living for personal > > satisfaction. The > > > definition of wealth is different now and wealth > > is more distributed. > > > > > > Several thousand years before, the threat > > perception to human > > > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles > > etc. Now it is > > > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. > > What aspect of > > > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental > > changes in the > > > planet? > > > > > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For > > example, it can be > > > attempted to understand and predict migration of > > people from one > > > region to another and how it affects the regional > > social and > > > economical status. > > > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > V.Partha Sarathy, > > partvinu.blogspot.com > > > > All that we are is the result of what we have > > thought. If a man speaks > > or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a > > man speaks or > > acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, > > like a shadow that > > never leaves him. > > -----Buddha > > > > > > Plot.no.71 > > Road No.3 > > Nagarjuna Hills > > Hyderabad > > India-500 082 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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