Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Its true Venus can bring bad luck when TOO passive (can be waiting to be given or giving too much without discrimination) Balance. What is Mars without Venus-Jupiter without Saturn (messenger without message) I would not say HELP but balance from each other (planets). And all depending on the state of mind, softness of heart, and ability of body. in USA I am not an astrologer but reader/listener. vedic astrology, Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi Inder, > > Venus is manipulative planet,so I don't consider it as > doing any thing without receving from someone. > > Religious means towards spiritualism.But alone cannot > give that result,Ofcourse requires help from other > planets.But without jupiter it is not possible also > .So spiritual planet.Or I will say a person living a > ideal life if a jupiter doesn't get help from other > planets towards spiritualism. > > Love is a nothing but a emotion.Everyone has different > definition for themselves.Real thing about Love you > will come to know,when totally devoted or attached to > GOD or something in these world, as everthing in these > world represents GOD, GOD is everywhere. > > I don't beleive these statement,what do ou mean by > strong jupiter, insatiable towards lust.I think other > factors are working and jupiter is acting from > outside.Give me examples. > > About Saturn you wrote I agree that.One part is > celibacy,while other is unsatisfaction in Life. > > Hope that Time will come to understand about Love or I > will say a path towards attaining a state of Love. > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shripal, > > 1]Jup is a spritual planet. My understanding is that > > Jup is a > > religious planet. > > 2]Love, understanding, sympathy--- my understanding > > is that Venus is > > karaka for these quailiteies. > > 3]Please read texts for Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga > > results . All say > > that such strong Jupitarian have unsatisable lust > > for sex. > > 4]While Negative and positive parts of Saturn, I > > could not follow, > > my understanding is that Sat is for celebacy and > > also for > > dissatisfaction/disappointments in sex life. > > 5]Sex is not joy, and I am absolutely wrong....noted > > for my > > consumsion/contemplation and digestion. > > 6]I had gone through your articles earlier on Vedic > > marriage etc but > > i didnot get the idea from there that Sex is bad and > > love is good. > > 7]To be very frank, I could never understand what is > > love. This word > > is used by everybody in daily life with thousands of > > different > > meanings. You must be meaning universal love[????] > > and what is this > > I dont know. > > Inder > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi Inder and All memebers, > > > > > > A jupiter is a sprirtual planets,It believes in > > > Love,Understanding,sympathy, I am talking about > > > positive influence of Jupiter.If well placed that > > > person leaves Sex after certain age , if other > > planets > > > are not afflicting him. > > > > > > A very strong Jupiter in 7th I have seen a person > > not > > > at all involved in sexual activity.He believes in > > > creation,Love,Nature, Understanding very > > sattvic.And > > > after having a one child or two has never wanted a > > Sex > > > in Life. > > > > > > While very few person are having a very very > > strong > > > Saturn(Sattvic), A tapasvee yoga with Saturn.While > > > negative part of Saturn is indulging in Sexual > > > activity > > > and torturing someone, doing wrongful deeds in > > > society. > > > > > > Inder if you thinking Sex is a Joy, Than you are > > > absolutely wrong.It is not at all.you should have > > read > > > my previos articles about Love. Love is Good, But > > sex > > > is BAD.A difference is a status of mind, What you > > are > > > thinking while you are doing.In details read my > > Vedic > > > Mariage and A way of Life articles. > > > > > > So Jupiter natuarally is Benefic and sattvic,while > > > Saturn is malefic and Tamsic. > > > > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shriphal, > > > > You mean to say that Jupiter is non sexual, anti > > > > indulgence. > > > > > > > > And Saturn is Sexual and indulges. > > > > > > > > Jupiter is joyless and Saturn is joyful? > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi swadhin, > > > > > > > > > > Every House signifies lots of things,while > > > > analysing a > > > > > chart you have to bring down to only certain > > parts > > > > of > > > > > it depending upon planet placed and sign of > > that > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > what I have worte about Saturn in 7th is from > > my > > > > > studies and experience both. > > > > > > > > > > About your satement that you made about > > indulgence > > > > in > > > > > sex, than you have to see a strength of > > jupiter in > > > > > chart.If Jupiter is strong than those people > > never > > > > are > > > > > indulge in those activities.It doesn't matter > > were > > > > it > > > > > is palced,It got to be very strong.As in any > > chart > > > > > Jupiter signifies spiritual development of a > > > > person,so > > > > > strength of jupiter is to be checked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Swadhin <beherajapan> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal ji: > > > > > > You are very correct in your observation and > > > > > > suggestions for people > > > > > > with Saturn in 7th. I learned the lesson > > through > > > > my > > > > > > own experience. > > > > > > After reading through some Jyotish books and > > > > reading > > > > > > your message, I > > > > > > realized that whatever I was doing > > intuitively > > > > > > actually is the remedy > > > > > > for my problems. I always had strong > > differences > > > > > > with my > > > > > > subordinates, my colleagues and my wife. My > > > > bosses > > > > > > always used to > > > > > > exploit me for my attitudes. For last three > > > > years I > > > > > > am exactly > > > > > > following Gandhi principle. My life has > > become > > > > lot > > > > > > better though > > > > > > people have not completely stopped doing > > > > mischief > > > > > > behind me. My wife > > > > > > is happy but she started falling sick often. > > I > > > > hope > > > > > > she will be OK > > > > > > after some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am curious to know if those > > > > > > suggestions you gave were > > > > > > from your experience (not necessarily your > > own) > > > > or > > > > > > you learned them > > > > > > from your studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that Saturn in 7th people often > > fall > > > > > > prey to sexual > > > > > > indulgences. All astrologer who checked my > > > > > > horoscopes warned me to be > > > > > > cautious of other women particularly duing > > > > Saturn > > > > > > sub-periods. I have > > > > > > not experienced that problem so much; > > perhaps > > > > for my > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > inclination from a young age. Do you have > > > > comments > > > > > > on this? > > > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > > Hi Partap and All memebers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think any planets give really that > > bad > > > > > > results > > > > > > > in any house.Its about exploring that > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First we have to understand a planets and > > it's > > > > > > > prolictive things towards one's Life.than > > > > where > > > > > > that > > > > > > > planets is placed, that in in what > > house,for > > > > > > example > > > > > > > Saturn is placed in 7th house.So what does > > > > that > > > > > > Satunr > > > > > > > signifies and what 7th house > > signifies.Than > > > > for a > > > > > > > given Lagna it is Karaka of what Houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have given my general prediction > > that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > Let us first understand about 7th house in > > > > brief, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is about marriage,marriage partner and > > open > > > > > > > enemies.The characteristics which are > > valued > > > > in > > > > > > > others, and which are sought in a partner, > > are > > > > > > > symbolised by this house as well as the > > > > > > > characteristics which are possessed by our > > > > enemies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > through which we are vulnerable to > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is very strong. Saturn makes a > > person > > > > more > > > > > > > attaracted towards > > isolation,rejection,pain > > > > and > > > > > > > disappointment until he re-orient himself > > for > > > > a > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > search.Marriage is always accompanied by > > > > darkness, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > matching should be properly done.Here > > Saturn > > > > > > signifies > > > > > > > difficulty in marriage and any other > > > > > > relationship.It > > > > > > > is always a other person's fault.So > > happiness > > > > or > > > > > > > unhappy,luck or unluck always comes from > > > > > > > opponenets.Commonly, isolation or > > aloneness is > > > > one > > > > > > > sort of restriction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partner is too serious,older although > > > > > > > faithful,financially solvent and > > stable.But > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > bliss is inhibited.Sometimes he is > > possessive > > > > and > > > > > > > demanding, or he may bea disappointment > > simply > > > > > > > because he is incompatible, or abandons > > the > > > > > > > individual, or causes hurt through > > emotional > > > > or > > > > > > > physical infidelity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > - > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > So I will suggest go inner,do meditation, > > > > express > > > > > > > yourself ,try different understanding > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in order to get a good results for a > > person > > > > > > having > > > > > > > a Saturn in 7th House, he has to create a > > > > > > > understanding about his partner or wife, > > What > > > > > > > qualities thety are having and than work > > that > > > > > > out.So > > > > > > > to tackle Saturn you have to be more > > > > understanding > > > > > > > person,go inner side rather than going > > > > > > outside,don't > > > > > > > try to win by opposition,but rather be > > like > > > > > > Mahatma > > > > > > > Gandhi,believe in non-violence and faith > > and > > > > > > > confidence i oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you will act against saturn,than you > > are > > > > bound > > > > > > to > > > > > > > get all bad results that I have said > > above.So > > > > it's > > > > > > > more about understanding and than action > > for > > > > your > > > > > > > understanding.And that has to come and it > > can > > > > be > > > > > > from > > > > > > > anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More you desire,morer you are Happy in > > your > > > > Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- partap111 <rbcalla> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parkash ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought Saturn is not good for 7 > > thouse. > > > > > > > > Very few people can take maturity needed > > to > > > > > > > > understand Saturn in > > > > > > > > 7th House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navlakshya, > > mangesh > > > > > > > > ramnathkar > > > > > > > > <mangeshrr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Prakash > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest in Products in which I > > can > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > Bussiness ? > > > > > > > > > Regarding my Family, they are Middle > > class > > > > > > Family > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > All Money was spent on me and my two > > > > brothers > > > > > > > > > education, My dad made me a Computer > > > > Engineer, > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > elder Brother did Pharmacy then did > > MBA, m > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > Borther just completed Architecture, > > has > > > > given > > > > > > GRE > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > applying to different colleges in USA, > > HE > > > > is > > > > > > > > planning > > > > > > > > > to come to USA this year... > > > > > > > > > Any way when my Dad retired, He was in > > bad > > > > > > shape, > > > > > > > > > Financially and emotional, becasue of > > the > > > > fact > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > no investments what-so-ever, He > > invested > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > Kids' > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > MangeshR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > > > > > > > > > <prakashkandpal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn the dhanakaraka in your case > > > > occupies > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > > > > business/partners. So the money > > will > > > > come > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > largely. Saturn's aspect on > > Capricorn > > > > is > > > > > > good - > > > > > > > > > > increase > > > > > > > > > > enhancement in career will be good. > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > presence in > > > > > > > > > > 7th also reminds me about one more > > thing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > may be owning stocks/shares in > > companies > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > factories of > > > > > > > > > > its own. Yet I think you may not be > > > > having > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > steady > > > > > > > > > > relationships in your family though > > > > being an > > > > > > > > > > orthodox and > > > > > > > > > > deep rooted thinker yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have been an activie > > > > sportsman > > > > > > > > (physical > > > > > > > > > > games) > > > > > > > > > > but in mental you may have strong > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mangesh ramnathkar > > <mangeshrr> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give my experience .. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm Capri Asc > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is 7 th house > > > > > > > > > > > Birht date 28 feb 1976 4.24am > > Mumbai > > > > India > > > > > > > > > > > I do have troubles with > > relationship > > > > as > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > Contracts but to be honest, I love > > it > > > > as I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > partners but the Best you can ever > > > > get, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > Loyal, Honest and the very few > > people > > > > I > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > MangeshR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > <prakashkandpal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U see Saturn is 11th from Moon > > and > > > > is in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > > > > friends sign by virtue of being > > in > > > > > > Pisces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occupies favourable position > > from > > > > both > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn > > > > > > > > > > > > and Aquarius i.e. 3rd from 5th > > and > > > > 2nd > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > in 7th is a rajayoga in any > > case. > > > > From > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > YK and occupies 11th house so > > all in > > > > all > > > > > > > > good is > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house pertaining to Mars > > gives > > > > > > sportsman > > > > > > > > > > spirit > > > > > > > > > > > > or high > > > > > > > > > > > > involvement is sports etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the individual's I came > > > > across > > > > > > > > (can't > > > > > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > > > data, > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry) has > > > > > > > > > > > > > kanya rising, saturn in 7th. > > > > Married a > > > > > > > > > > classfellow > > > > > > > > > > > > at age > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 22 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > handsome guy, physician and > > > > > > > > semi-professional > > > > > > > > > > > > sportsman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > same age +/- > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 year or less, has a > > wonderful > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > > kids, lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > richer than anyone else in her > > six > > > > > > > > generations > > > > > > > > > > > > (maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > more) before > > > > > > > > > > > > > including around > > (contemporary) -- > > > > > > > > brilliant > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > along, > > > > > > > > > > > > > very gifted > > > > > > > > > > > > > and achieved a lot already. > > Very > > > > > > > > disciplined > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > very beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > > of life. As an aside, has two > > > > > > headlines! > > > > > > > > Very > > > > > > > > > > > > endearing > > > > > > > > > > > > > personality, > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing saturnine about her. > > Has > > > > moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > ninth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > navlakshya, > > > > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rupji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us first understand > > about > > > > 7th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > brief, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is about marriage,marriage > > > > partner > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies.The characteristics > > > > which > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > valued > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others, and which are sought > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > partner, > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolised by this house as > > well > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics which are > > > > possessed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through which we are > > vulnerable > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know saturn in 7th is > > digbala, > > > > very > > > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes a person more > > attaracted > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation,rejection,pain and > > > > > > > > disappointment > > > > > > > > > > > > until he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-orient himself for a > > inner > > > > > > > > > > search.Marriage is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always accompanied by > > darkness, > > > > so > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly done.Here Saturn > > > > signifies > > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage and any other > > > > > > relationship.It > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other person's fault.So > > > > happiness or > > > > > > > > > > > > unhappy,luck or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unluck always comes from > > > > > > > > > > opponenets.Commonly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation or aloneness is > > one > > > > sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > restriction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partner is too serious,older > > > > > > although > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faithful,financially solvent > > and > > > > > > > > stable.But > > > > > > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bliss is inhibited.Sometimes > > he > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > possessive > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding, or he may bea > > > > > > disappointment > > > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he is incompatible, > > or > > > > > > abandons > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual, or causes hurt > > > > through > > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical infidelity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I will suggest go > > inner,do > > > > > > > > meditation, > > > > > > > > > > > > express > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself ,try different > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rup Krishen Baqaya > > > > > > <rkbaqaya> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Raghu saturn in the > > > > seventh.In > > > > > > > > fact i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking about saturn in > > the > > > > > > > > eighth,but > > > > > > > > > > let ur > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prevail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those with saturn in > > the > > > > > > seventh > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the fortune of being in > > the > > > > > > company of > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for long.The spouse could > > fall > > > > > > sick or > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die.Otherwise the spouse > > may > > > > be a > > > > > > sad > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no zest for life.In > > the > > > > > > > > horoscopes of > > > > > > > > > > > > females > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in seventh may > > indicate > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widower or an old > > person.The > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thin,sickly and without > > much > > > > > > > > > > enthusiasm.Des > > > > > > > > > > > > not talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Has a feeling of > > > > > > servitude.May be > > > > > > > > > > immoral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It inclines one to be in > > the > > > > > > > > professions > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contractor,mining(Coal and > > > > > > > > iron),agency of > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. 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