Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Dear List Members: I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on the same old theories? Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. The definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more distributed. Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the planet? Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one region to another and how it affects the regional social and economical status. Swadhin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 good questions. and to add to them, what about childbirth predictions? in the old days, many chidlren. now, few. should astrologers talk in terms of probabilities? to partially answer your question, i think charts show windows of probability and one needs intuition to come to the right period for something. for example, a highly regarded tantric priest astrologer once asked if someone had had a child during a certain period. she said no.(she was an unmarried westerner) he then said she had missed one of her "windows" for childbirth.(i dont remember the exact phrase he used). also, to add to the confusion, in the old days, no one just had a relationship. you either got married or not. so the navamsha showing oners dharma, was used to time marriage, and the saptamsha was used for childbirth. now, especially in the west, people want to know about "relationships", not nessecarily leading to marriage. so , should we use the saptamsha for timing when one would "meet" someone, as opposed to marrying that person? kalidas vedic astrology, "Swadhin" <beherajapan> wrote: > > Dear List Members: > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the > society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did > prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on the > same old theories? > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was > enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. The > definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more distributed. > > Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the > planet? > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be > attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one > region to another and how it affects the regional social and > economical status. > > Swadhin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear Swadhin So you have just proved that astrologers also require common sense best wishes partha On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:58:19 -0000, Swadhin <beherajapan wrote: > > > Dear List Members: > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the > society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did > prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on the > same old theories? > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was > enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. The > definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more distributed. > > Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the > planet? > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be > attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one > region to another and how it affects the regional social and > economical status. > > Swadhin > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear Kalidas For relationships use Darapada(A7), for marriage use the UL and the normal methods of navamsa. How can saptamsa be seen for meeting people, when it is the chart for children?? best wishes partha On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:09:34 -0000, mahakali108 <mahakali108 wrote: > > > good questions. > and to add to them, what about childbirth predictions? in the old > days, many chidlren. now, few. should astrologers talk in terms of > probabilities? > to partially answer your question, i think charts show windows of > probability and one needs intuition to come to the right period for > something. > for example, a highly regarded tantric priest astrologer once asked > if someone had had a child during a certain period. she said no.(she > was an unmarried westerner) he then said she had missed one of > her "windows" for childbirth.(i dont remember the exact phrase he > used). > also, to add to the confusion, in the old days, no one just had a > relationship. you either got married or not. so the navamsha showing > oners dharma, was used to time marriage, and the saptamsha was used > for childbirth. > now, especially in the west, people want to know > about "relationships", not nessecarily leading to marriage. so , > should we use the saptamsha for timing when one would "meet" > someone, as opposed to marrying that person? > kalidas > > vedic astrology, "Swadhin" <beherajapan> > wrote: > > > > Dear List Members: > > > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the > > society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's > > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives > > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did > > prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on > the > > same old theories? > > > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was > > enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. > The > > definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more > distributed. > > > > Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human > > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is > > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of > > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the > > planet? > > > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be > > attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one > > region to another and how it affects the regional social and > > economical status. > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear Swadin, I was also tumbled upon many questions like yours many times. And I am sure there must be some reason to it. Some more issues like higher since last century woman emanicipation, higher divorce rate and many more things like that. Ofcourse astrlogers use intuition & common sense to a great extent. But may be there are more reaoson to it that we dont know yet. While reading some books on western astrology I have found that some planets dont change the rashis for generations e.g Neptune, Pluto, Uranus etc. So that can explain generational gap between nature of thinking between generations. May be there are many more reaons lik that we dont know. Regards, Pradeep vedic astrology, "Swadhin" <beherajapan> wrote: > > Dear List Members: > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the > society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did > prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on the > same old theories? > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was > enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. The > definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more distributed. > > Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the > planet? > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be > attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one > region to another and how it affects the regional social and > economical status. > > Swadhin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear Swadhin, The critique you made was reasonable if one consider the astrology as static. But in reality, astrology is dynamic. There are two faces of every object in this world, soul and body. Soul is universal and beyond time and space but the body is subject to time and space. In a similar way, astrological priciples and theories can be described. In astrology, objective principles of planets, signs, houses, etc. donot change but thier realization and manifestation depend upon the time and space. Say, if a person of ancient time has exalted Sun in 10th house, means he would earn by forest and fire work. In 500 years ago, this combination led to earning through King's court or warlordship. But at present, it may be said that the person would be a manager/director in multinational company or a Bureaucrat. Similarly space matters also. Identical combinations in chart of different nationals cause different results. Lets say two person born in a same day with same charts. But one born in Japan and another one is in Afghanistan. Obviously the person born in Japan naturally has greater probability of longevity, good food and improved education as compare to the person born in Afghanistan with identical natal chart. Your another point was regarding long-run social changes and validity of astrology. This issue is addressed by 'mundane astrology'. Although tools of mundane astrology has not reached that attainment, needs to rank it a 'science'. But it is hoped that sooner or latter astrology would surely able to answer such socio-economic behavior with greater certainity. M.Imran --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: > Dear Swadhin > > So you have just proved that astrologers also > require common sense > best wishes > partha > > > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:58:19 -0000, Swadhin > <beherajapan wrote: > > > > > > Dear List Members: > > > > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing > time in the > > society. For example, several decades ago a > prediction of girl's > > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If > someone gives > > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. > How did > > prediction change now though principle of > prediction is based on the > > same old theories? > > > > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so > high that it was > > enough to predict a well to do living for personal > satisfaction. The > > definition of wealth is different now and wealth > is more distributed. > > > > Several thousand years before, the threat > perception to human > > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles > etc. Now it is > > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. > What aspect of > > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental > changes in the > > planet? > > > > Can astrology be used in social studies? For > example, it can be > > attempted to understand and predict migration of > people from one > > region to another and how it affects the regional > social and > > economical status. > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > V.Partha Sarathy, > partvinu.blogspot.com > > All that we are is the result of what we have > thought. If a man speaks > or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a > man speaks or > acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, > like a shadow that > never leaves him. > -----Buddha > > > Plot.no.71 > Road No.3 > Nagarjuna Hills > Hyderabad > India-500 082 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 HAR HAR Mahadev Respected Sir, I am an astrologer(jyotishi) from ujjain(Avantika Mahakal-Nagri) and i am studying astrology from man years and also my family is studying on astro-tantra from many decades. I would be very thankful to you if you can just give me a chance to prove myself by leting me commenting on your hor or by tantars,mantars. And alos I want to share my knowledge about astr-tantra-mantra with you. pls give me chance sir. Thanking you MY site on astrology and tantars:- www.geocities.com/shivbhakta2 I am avalible as shivbhakta2 on . If busy i will reply later sorry for the delay ns pls reply soon or add me to friends in email: shivbhakta2 (AT) hotpop (DOT) com (For quick reference mail-me along with date time and place of birth -lagan,mahadasha,and in which house the planet of which mahadasha and antardasha happens to be reside or sit.) - pp_gurav vedic astrology Friday, February 11, 2005 2:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: astrology and societal trends Dear Swadin,I was also tumbled upon many questions like yours many times. And I am sure there must be some reason to it. Some more issues like higher since last century woman emanicipation, higher divorce rate and many more things like that. Ofcourse astrlogers use intuition & common sense to a great extent. But may be there are more reaoson to it that we dont know yet. While reading some books on western astrology I have found that some planets dont change the rashis for generations e.g Neptune, Pluto, Uranus etc. So that can explain generational gap between nature of thinking between generations. May be there are many more reaons lik that we dont know.Regards,Pradeep--- In vedic astrology, "Swadhin" <beherajapan> wrote:> > Dear List Members:> > I am curious how the astrologers adapt to changing time in the > society. For example, several decades ago a prediction of girl's > marriage at age of 15 or 16 was mostly correct. If someone gives > similar prediction now, he will be shown the door. How did > prediction change now though principle of prediction is based on the > same old theories?> > Several hundreds years ago, cost of living was so high that it was > enough to predict a well to do living for personal satisfaction. The > definition of wealth is different now and wealth is more distributed.> > Several thousand years before, the threat perception to human > longevity was mostly due to wild animals, reptiles etc. Now it is > more due to health, vehicular accidents, wars etc. What aspect of > vedic astrology takes care of such developmental changes in the > planet?> > Can astrology be used in social studies? For example, it can be > attempted to understand and predict migration of people from one > region to another and how it affects the regional social and > economical status. > > SwadhinArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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