Ishta Devata, plus some of my own questions for group

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear SK & Kalidasa,

 

Sun could mean Sri Rama.

 

Even the non-believers in God also have their Karakamsa & ishta

devata shown in their charts. One needs to think deep about it.

Practically speaking, one leads to the other....so on & so forth!

 

regards

viswanadham

 

vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

<mahakali108> wrote:

>

> -

> rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo, no planet in it, and

> recieving rashi aspects from moon and mercury in libra.

> sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various possibilities.

> i would like to hear from other astrologers on this issue, and what

> else could the sun mean.

>

> i also have a question for other astrolgers: what then, does the

5th

> in d20 mean, as opposed to the above calculation for ishta devata?

> one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they are not the same? how

> then does that work as far as one's bhakti toward the ishta devata?

> also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga only, no real actual

diety,

> only the physical guru's form?

> i know someone who worships a female diety, has venus in the 5th in

> d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in navamsha. whats her

> situation?

>

> kalidas

[Guest guest]

Namasthe,

 

all replies to the group please!!

 

can you please give some reference to what you stated in the following?

 

regards

viswanadham

 

i also have a question for other astrolgers: what then, does the

> > 5th

> > > in d20 mean, as opposed to the above calculation for ishta

> devata?

> > > one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they are not the same?

> how

> > > then does that work as far as one's bhakti toward the ishta

> devata?

> > > also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga only, no real actual

> > diety,

> > > only the physical guru's form?

> > > i know someone who worships a female diety, has venus in the 5th

> in

> > > d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in navamsha. whats her

> > > situation?

> > >

> > > kalidas

>

>

 

 

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:53 -0000, mahakali108 <mahakali108 wrote:

>

> ---

> namaste,

> while you are answering, please share with me possible answers to my

> other questions.

> thank you much,

> kalidas

>

> In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear SK & Kalidasa,

> >

> > Sun could mean Sri Rama.

> >

> > Even the non-believers in God also have their Karakamsa & ishta

> > devata shown in their charts. One needs to think deep about it.

> > Practically speaking, one leads to the other....so on & so forth!

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo, no planet in it,

> and

> > > recieving rashi aspects from moon and mercury in libra.

> > > sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various possibilities.

> > > i would like to hear from other astrologers on this issue, and

> what

> > > else could the sun mean.

> > >

[Guest guest]

dear vishwanadham,(and all learned astrologers)

---

gauranga das, sjc guru, says (brihaspati.net/faq_2.htm) that

one's "favorite" diety is seen in the 5th in the d20. thats the

reference.

so...

1. if the ishta devata is 12th from ak in navamsha, how do we relate

that with the 5th in d20 diety?

2. how on earth can one be drawn to a diety other than one's true

ishta devata? this cannot work from a bhakti point of view.

3. concerning my friend with sun in 12th from ak in nav, and venus

in 5th in d20, who worships the buddhist tara, what can be said

about her ishta devata?

that's why i thought the sun could also be the physical guru, for

jnana yogis, which her guru also transmits, and which she has a

capacity for.

 

your thoughts?

kalidasa

 

 

In vedic astrology, Viswanadham <vishwanatham@g...>

wrote:

> Namasthe,

>

> all replies to the group please!!

>

> can you please give some reference to what you stated in the

following?

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

> i also have a question for other astrolgers: what then, does the

> > > 5th

> > > > in d20 mean, as opposed to the above calculation for ishta

> > devata?

> > > > one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they are not the same?

> > how

> > > > then does that work as far as one's bhakti toward the ishta

> > devata?

> > > > also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga only, no real actual

> > > diety,

> > > > only the physical guru's form?

> > > > i know someone who worships a female diety, has venus in the

5th

> > in

> > > > d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in navamsha. whats her

> > > > situation?

> > > >

> > > > kalidas

> >

> >

>

>

> On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:53 -0000, mahakali108 <mahakali108>

wrote:

> >

> > ---

> > namaste,

> > while you are answering, please share with me possible answers

to my

> > other questions.

> > thank you much,

> > kalidas

> >

> > In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear SK & Kalidasa,

> > >

> > > Sun could mean Sri Rama.

> > >

> > > Even the non-believers in God also have their Karakamsa & ishta

> > > devata shown in their charts. One needs to think deep about it.

> > > Practically speaking, one leads to the other....so on & so

forth!

> > >

> > > regards

> > > viswanadham

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo, no planet in it,

> > and

> > > > recieving rashi aspects from moon and mercury in libra.

> > > > sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various possibilities.

> > > > i would like to hear from other astrologers on this issue,

and

> > what

> > > > else could the sun mean.

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Shree Gurubyo Namah:

Sri Kalidasa

even though you addressed your questions to shri

vishwanadham ji, here are my $0.02 cents of thoughts:

you should understand the difference between Ishta

Devata and Favourite devata.

12th from AK in Navamsa denotes the Moksha for atma

and hence the deity related to 12th will guide one

towards Moksha which is the ultimate desire of any

soul. 5th in D20 indicates the devatha one likes to

worship to devolop the spiritual capabilities and

progress. They need not be same. However as shri

vishwanadham mentioned praying 5th lord of D20 will

increase spiritual knowledge there by leading to Ishta

indicated by 12th from AK in D9.

 

Lakshman

 

--- mahakali108 <mahakali108 wrote:

 

>

>

> dear vishwanadham,(and all learned astrologers)

> ---

> gauranga das, sjc guru, says

> (brihaspati.net/faq_2.htm) that

> one's "favorite" diety is seen in the 5th in the

> d20. thats the

> reference.

> so...

> 1. if the ishta devata is 12th from ak in navamsha,

> how do we relate

> that with the 5th in d20 diety?

> 2. how on earth can one be drawn to a diety other

> than one's true

> ishta devata? this cannot work from a bhakti point

> of view.

> 3. concerning my friend with sun in 12th from ak in

> nav, and venus

> in 5th in d20, who worships the buddhist tara, what

> can be said

> about her ishta devata?

> that's why i thought the sun could also be the

> physical guru, for

> jnana yogis, which her guru also transmits, and

> which she has a

> capacity for.

>

> your thoughts?

> kalidasa

>

>

> In vedic astrology, Viswanadham

> <vishwanatham@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namasthe,

> >

> > all replies to the group please!!

> >

> > can you please give some reference to what you

> stated in the

> following?

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > i also have a question for other astrolgers: what

> then, does the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > in d20 mean, as opposed to the above

> calculation for ishta

> > > devata?

> > > > > one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they

> are not the same?

> > > how

> > > > > then does that work as far as one's bhakti

> toward the ishta

> > > devata?

> > > > > also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga

> only, no real actual

> > > > diety,

> > > > > only the physical guru's form?

> > > > > i know someone who worships a female diety,

> has venus in the

> 5th

> > > in

> > > > > d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in

> navamsha. whats her

> > > > > situation?

> > > > >

> > > > > kalidas

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:53 -0000, mahakali108

> <mahakali108>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ---

> > > namaste,

> > > while you are answering, please share with me

> possible answers

> to my

> > > other questions.

> > > thank you much,

> > > kalidas

> > >

> > > In vedic astrology,

> "vishwanatham"

> > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear SK & Kalidasa,

> > > >

> > > > Sun could mean Sri Rama.

> > > >

> > > > Even the non-believers in God also have their

> Karakamsa & ishta

> > > > devata shown in their charts. One needs to

> think deep about it.

> > > > Practically speaking, one leads to the

> other....so on & so

> forth!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > viswanadham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> "mahakali108"

> > > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo,

> no planet in it,

> > > and

> > > > > recieving rashi aspects from moon and

> mercury in libra.

> > > > > sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various

> possibilities.

> > > > > i would like to hear from other astrologers

> on this issue,

> and

> > > what

> > > > > else could the sun mean.

> > > > >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Kalidas

 

Coming from Sri Gauranga, i know what it means. i do not know, you

read my previous mail about your ishta devata!?

 

If you are looking at the meaning of the word 'Ishta' it is your

liking.

 

What you see in the12th from your karakamsa is called as 'Ishta

devata'!! Without going into the literal meaning one can contemplate

on the real import of it. The sign of AK in the navamsa is Karakamsa

and the 12th from it(which is basically loss for AK) represents Ishta

devata.

Why a devata causes loss to AK, if everything is good with AK. So, AK

represents that quality in us which needs to be ironed out to take us

closer to the paramatma!

 

There are multitude of forms of God in hinduism. So, a particular

form is REQUIRED to rectify a Specific Problem!! Since, this is all

about moksha, following Vaishnava smpradaya, one may choose from

DasAvataras of Vishnu as given by Parasara or follow Jaimini's

prescription, where Sun represents Shiva. For that matter worship of

any form of deity will eventually lead to the Ishta devata. It is the

faith that matters, above all.

 

There we are, as far as Ishtadevata is concerned!

 

There are many issues in life and there are many forms of deities to

choose from for each one of them. You are very fortunate,IF all the

areas can be covered by worship of one deity

OR it may be possible to do so through sheer faith in one deity.

 

Just to summarise, there is no conflict in worshipping two or more

deities.

 

regards

viswanadham

PS: read about Dharma devata, palanadevi, BK, Kula/Gramadevata

etc.,to understand the wider canvas. Also, this can be applied to all

the religions in the world and not only to hinduism.

 

vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

<mahakali108> wrote:

>

>

> dear vishwanadham,(and all learned astrologers)

> ---

> gauranga das, sjc guru, says (brihaspati.net/faq_2.htm) that

> one's "favorite" diety is seen in the 5th in the d20. thats the

> reference.

> so...

> 1. if the ishta devata is 12th from ak in navamsha, how do we

relate

> that with the 5th in d20 diety?

> 2. how on earth can one be drawn to a diety other than one's true

> ishta devata? this cannot work from a bhakti point of view.

> 3. concerning my friend with sun in 12th from ak in nav, and venus

> in 5th in d20, who worships the buddhist tara, what can be said

> about her ishta devata?

> that's why i thought the sun could also be the physical guru, for

> jnana yogis, which her guru also transmits, and which she has a

> capacity for.

>

> your thoughts?

> kalidasa

>

>

> In vedic astrology, Viswanadham

<vishwanatham@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namasthe,

> >

> > all replies to the group please!!

> >

> > can you please give some reference to what you stated in the

> following?

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > i also have a question for other astrolgers: what then, does the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > in d20 mean, as opposed to the above calculation for ishta

> > > devata?

> > > > > one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they are not the

same?

> > > how

> > > > > then does that work as far as one's bhakti toward the ishta

> > > devata?

> > > > > also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga only, no real

actual

> > > > diety,

> > > > > only the physical guru's form?

> > > > > i know someone who worships a female diety, has venus in

the

> 5th

> > > in

> > > > > d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in navamsha. whats her

> > > > > situation?

> > > > >

> > > > > kalidas

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:53 -0000, mahakali108

<mahakali108>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ---

> > > namaste,

> > > while you are answering, please share with me possible answers

> to my

> > > other questions.

> > > thank you much,

> > > kalidas

> > >

> > > In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear SK & Kalidasa,

> > > >

> > > > Sun could mean Sri Rama.

> > > >

> > > > Even the non-believers in God also have their Karakamsa &

ishta

> > > > devata shown in their charts. One needs to think deep about

it.

> > > > Practically speaking, one leads to the other....so on & so

> forth!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > viswanadham

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo, no planet in

it,

> > > and

> > > > > recieving rashi aspects from moon and mercury in libra.

> > > > > sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various possibilities.

> > > > > i would like to hear from other astrologers on this issue,

> and

> > > what

> > > > > else could the sun mean.

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishwanadham Sir

 

 

All this confusion arises due to terminology used. Probably Ishta

devatha could be called as Moksha devatha so that people will not

raise any further questions.

Attatchment is such a terrible thing, attatchment to the words!

Attatchment to the terms, when the discussion is on how to get over

these attatchments, and Which diety shows how to get over attatchments?!!

best wishes

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Kalidas

>

> Coming from Sri Gauranga, i know what it means. i do not know, you

> read my previous mail about your ishta devata!?

>

> If you are looking at the meaning of the word 'Ishta' it is your

> liking.

>

> What you see in the12th from your karakamsa is called as 'Ishta

> devata'!! Without going into the literal meaning one can contemplate

> on the real import of it. The sign of AK in the navamsa is Karakamsa

> and the 12th from it(which is basically loss for AK) represents Ishta

> devata.

> Why a devata causes loss to AK, if everything is good with AK. So, AK

> represents that quality in us which needs to be ironed out to take us

> closer to the paramatma!

>

> There are multitude of forms of God in hinduism. So, a particular

> form is REQUIRED to rectify a Specific Problem!! Since, this is all

> about moksha, following Vaishnava smpradaya, one may choose from

> DasAvataras of Vishnu as given by Parasara or follow Jaimini's

> prescription, where Sun represents Shiva. For that matter worship of

> any form of deity will eventually lead to the Ishta devata. It is the

> faith that matters, above all.

>

> There we are, as far as Ishtadevata is concerned!

>

> There are many issues in life and there are many forms of deities to

> choose from for each one of them. You are very fortunate,IF all the

> areas can be covered by worship of one deity

> OR it may be possible to do so through sheer faith in one deity.

>

> Just to summarise, there is no conflict in worshipping two or more

> deities.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

> PS: read about Dharma devata, palanadevi, BK, Kula/Gramadevata

> etc.,to understand the wider canvas. Also, this can be applied to all

> the religions in the world and not only to hinduism.

>

> vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> <mahakali108> wrote:

> >

> >

> > dear vishwanadham,(and all learned astrologers)

> > ---

> > gauranga das, sjc guru, says (brihaspati.net/faq_2.htm) that

> > one's "favorite" diety is seen in the 5th in the d20. thats the

> > reference.

> > so...

> > 1. if the ishta devata is 12th from ak in navamsha, how do we

> relate

> > that with the 5th in d20 diety?

> > 2. how on earth can one be drawn to a diety other than one's true

> > ishta devata? this cannot work from a bhakti point of view.

> > 3. concerning my friend with sun in 12th from ak in nav, and venus

> > in 5th in d20, who worships the buddhist tara, what can be said

> > about her ishta devata?

> > that's why i thought the sun could also be the physical guru, for

> > jnana yogis, which her guru also transmits, and which she has a

> > capacity for.

> >

> > your thoughts?

> > kalidasa

> >

> >

> > In vedic astrology, Viswanadham

> <vishwanatham@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Namasthe,

> > >

> > > all replies to the group please!!

> > >

> > > can you please give some reference to what you stated in the

> > following?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > viswanadham

> > >

> > > i also have a question for other astrolgers: what then, does the

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > in d20 mean, as opposed to the above calculation for ishta

> > > > devata?

> > > > > > one's "favorite" diety? if so, what if they are not the

> same?

> > > > how

> > > > > > then does that work as far as one's bhakti toward the ishta

> > > > devata?

> > > > > > also, can the sun simply mean jnana yoga only, no real

> actual

> > > > > diety,

> > > > > > only the physical guru's form?

> > > > > > i know someone who worships a female diety, has venus in

> the

> > 5th

> > > > in

> > > > > > d20, but has sun in the 12th from ak in navamsha. whats her

> > > > > > situation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kalidas

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:15:53 -0000, mahakali108

> <mahakali108>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > > namaste,

> > > > while you are answering, please share with me possible answers

> > to my

> > > > other questions.

> > > > thank you much,

> > > > kalidas

> > > >

> > > > In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> > > > <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear SK & Kalidasa,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun could mean Sri Rama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even the non-believers in God also have their Karakamsa &

> ishta

> > > > > devata shown in their charts. One needs to think deep about

> it.

> > > > > Practically speaking, one leads to the other....so on & so

> > forth!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > viswanadham

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > > > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > rahu is ak. 12th from it in navamsha is leo, no planet in

> it,

> > > > and

> > > > > > recieving rashi aspects from moon and mercury in libra.

> > > > > > sun(leo) could mean shiva, among the various possibilities.

> > > > > > i would like to hear from other astrologers on this issue,

> > and

> > > > what

> > > > > > else could the sun mean.

> > > > > >