RE: 2-Shipal, & all, Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark Kincaid

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Dear Shripalji,

 

As u said the Planets can be weaker by the Placement but not thier aspect , According to

you benific debelited planets aspect are good and they give 100% result. If

that is the case

its not to bad o have a debelited planets in one's chart because they aspect the exalted

positions ( opposite(100%) aspect) . please clarify me, if I am wrong.

Regds

Ramki

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friday, January 21, 2005 10:59 AMMark Kincaid[vedic astrology] Re:

2-Shipal, & all, Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark KincaidHi Mark,If planets are

together in a same sign,Than isn't thatmeans they are aspecting each other and

becuase ofthere mutual relationship that they develop willinfluence a place

where they are placed plus whereeach of them is aspecting.Again while aspecting

theymight come in aspect with other forces.So totalprediction will change.Along

with that there istransit and Dasa too involved.But in all this as Isaid when

to mutual force combine we get totally a newdish for a lunch.So it can be good

in taste or OK orbad.But when two forces combine through Aspect,Ibelieve

especially when two forces combine in aspect,A person's personality,attitude

towards life,currentevent results along with transit and Dasa, histhinking

ability all changes because of relationshipdevelop through aspect.If I am wrong

please clarify,Aspect is always 100%resultant good or bad,while placement is

not,Because Iread in some book,If planet is weakly placed than iddoesn't give

whole results,Good or Bad,no results atall.But if this weakly placed planets

aspected by let sayanother weakly placed planet,may be trine(50%)

oropposite(100%) aspect,So aspect can be never weak,it'slike these bodies give

no results for placement beingweaker.But in aspect becuase palcement is

weak,thatdoesn't mean aspect is weak,Aspect works normally at100% result,so

even no result given planet aspect eachother,they will give bad result,but they

definatelygive result,unlike placement.I haven't put it in proper way ,What I

want to say.Letme come with some example.But I want frommembers,Conjuct palnet

aspect each other isn't it?--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear

Shripal:> > See below:> > > > > Shripal <d_shripal >> > Date:

Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:54:45 -0800 (PST)> > Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com>> > 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: Aspect>

v/s Placement, > Mark> > Kincaid> > > > Hi Mark and All.> > > > thanks Mark,> >

> > Yes,exactly when transit moves over your natal> > placement,so what is

working,isn't it aspect that> is> > working.> > I find there are two things

here.> > #1, there's the effect when say the Moon moves into> the next Sign,>

say where Saturn is, 'in the sky',....> > In 2 days for example Moon moves into

Gemini, where> Saturn is.> > #2, then, there's the effect of say the Moon

moving> into the same house,> where our Natal Saturn is, 'in our charts'....> >

This can be 'felt' in the same way, though these two> different ways....> >

represent the Transits, vs. the effect of the> transits, upon our individual>

charts....!> > both of which I believe are important....> > personally I find

the effects of the Transits, 'out> there', more intense,> then say,> when Moon

moves into Virgo, each month, where my> natal Moon is....> > I'm so used to

that, that it's effects don't seem> soooo intense....> but when the Moon moves

into the space where the> transiting Saturn 'is',> that seems > much more

strong...> > Even if you have got exalted saturn in your> > chart,when transit

moon goes over it ,you will> feel> > lonliness,allof etc.When Mars hover your

saturn,> you> > are very uncomfortalbe with your situation's in> your> >

life,either you feel like destroying everything> around> > you or just destroy

yourself.> > See below:Yes, yes,...this is exactly what I love> about watching

the> transits,...> after even 12 months, you'll be so much more clear> about

what 'effects' come> to one,> through the transits, ....that...> you'll be much

more prepared.... to> understand....'where' ....'these'> effects are coming..> >

Then, in the future, we'll be more wise, and not> 'blame' so much 'others'>

because of something that's either coming to us from> the outer stars....> or

coming to us ....from our....inner stars.....> > > > > So How did we lost a

qualities of Placement.How> come> > placement looses its theme and get more

influenced> by> > aspect.> > I've heard it described both ways....by different>

astrologers....> > I think it happens, when the general, 'experience'> of

Astrology gets lost...> > Even though modern day, 'Astrologers' may be very>

good at understanding> intellectually,> Astrology,....still it's not the

same,....as having> learned to feel the> Stars....> > I think experience in

Consciousness, in meditation,> has helped me> emmensely,....> because I'm more

awake, in the soul, in the silence> of life....> > and the Stars, exist....

predominantly in> silence....> > In fact, at some point when I was 'watching'

the> transits, it occured to me,> ....> I hadn't heard anyone describe how,....

no matter> 'what' transits are going> on....> > whether it's a clear day, and

everything's feeling> smooth,....> or a very rough day, and stormy....etc....>

> what I noticed, was .... within both> days,....there's this incredible>

experience of eternal....> silence....> > and 'that'....is the core, the

essence of life....> > In fact,....the most important thing....> > because it's

in going to 'that',....accessing> 'that', that any improvement,>

transformation,...> can really be accomplished..... on the outer.....> > > >

Act as a modifier.Transit is a best way to> > describe Aspect being more

powerful than just> > placement.> > personally, my experience is the

opposite....> > I experience, when 2 planets are in the same house> as being

stronger,....> but that's not to say your experience couldn't be> the

opposite...> > I find for example, that a lot of people experience> the dasas,

stronger,> then the transits,.....> and that goes along with the classic

Jyotish> descriptions....> > but for me, I've learned that 'I', experience the>

transits, more> strongly....> > Also, ....Jyotish says that the 'transits'

should be> looked at through the> Moon chart....> but I find the Rasi chart,

.....looking at the> transits, via. one's rising> sign, ....> is more accurate

for me,....and for many others....> > We all need to learn to experience....the

stars....> > I am talking about when to mutual force> > combine,it will always

be powerful than just being> > alone.It can act as a destroyer and even

rebuilder> of> > your evnts in life.Life is not stagnant or> constant> > like

Placement.But rather everyday changing and> who is> > influencing that,Transit

and How through> aspect,isn't> > it?.If i am wrong correct me.> > > Nice

talking with you...> > > Mark Kincaid> > > > founder....Nature's Astrology....>

> > > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:> > > >> Hi

Ramakrishna ,> >> > >> No sirji,What you said I have already talked> about> >>

that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as> >> placement means Venus when

aspect from pisces> gives> >> same results > >> as jupiter placed in

pisces.that means full> >> effect,not> >> a quality wise,quantity wise effect

will be> maximum.> >> > >> When planet is aspecting some house, without any> >>

planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to> >> placement.Aspect and

Placement we are talking> about> >> is> >> quantity wise and not

qualitywise,That will> depend> >> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed>

etc.OK.> >> > >> --- Ramakrishna <ramki (AT) wisorindia (DOT) soft.net>> wrote:> >> > >> >

>> Dear Shipal & All:> >> > >> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, ahhh,

no> >> pun intended, heheeheh.> >> > >> But, another really good way to tell

whether> >> 'conjunction', or when a planet> >> is in a house,> >> or opposite

another house, or even in it's> >> aspectings,.... is to look at> >> these

through the eyes,> >> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly> >>

transits....> >> > >> Watch the Moon for example.> >> > >> When the Moon moves

through the sky and moves> >> through our charts, especially> >> when you can

learn to 'feel' it, you can start to> >> realize...the real truths> >> of

Jyotish.> >> > >> For example, when the Moon is getting bigger,> like> >> now,

and then when it> >> moves through the different signs, and especially> >>

moves into similar houses> >> with other planets.... you can really feel

those!> >> > >> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction> >> starting in

about 2 days....> >> > >> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at the> 3rd>

>> degree, so still a lot> >> of Exaltedness, left....> >> > >> But in a 'few'

days, let's say 2 1/2, the Moon> will> >> move into Gemini, where> >> it will

come within 30 degrees of any planets in> >> Gemini.> >> > >> Right now, Saturn

has Retrograded back into> Gemini,> >> so soon, the Moon &> >> Saturn will be

conjunct.> >> > >> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...> >> > >> and in

3, 4 and then 5 days.... that Saturn/Moon> >> conjunction...> >> > >> Then,

compare these feelings with the feelings> that> >> come next when the Moon> >>

moves past Saturn and into the next sign...> >> > >> That will be quite a shift

this month/year,> >> especially because the Moon> >> feels soooo happy in

Cancer.> >> > >> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will be in> >> Cancer,

it's Own> >> Sign,....but then,> >> the Moon will move into Leo, which is

farther and> >> farther away from> >> Saturn,....but....> >> > >> the Moon will

be in a sign, where it's supposed> to> >> fall under the 3rd house> >> 'aspect'

of Saturn...> >> > >> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn> feeling> >>

that happened when> >> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't feel> >>

that same flavor.> >> > >> Then, when the Moon, continues around the sky,>

next> >> it will move into> >> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely>

opposite> >> to Saturn, in Gemini,> >> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces,

Saturn's> 10th> >> House aspect is> >> supposed to kick in.> >> > >> Experience

shows which qualities of Jyotish are> more> >> strong and give very> >>

practical understanding that will allow us to> >> understand the same kind of>

>> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements as> you> >> say; that are in

our> >> charts.> >> > >> Hope this helps....> >> > >> Sincerely,> >> > >> > >>

Mark Kincaid> >> > >> > >> > >> ps.... instead of asking people to guess about>

your> >> chart, why don't you> >> share with people, your experience which are>

>> stronger.> >> > >> For example, in my chart, I have Moon & Saturn> >>

together in the 12th house,> >> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.> >>

> >> Well, believe me, I can say with complete> >> reliability, that the

consequence> >> of this 'configuration' has been very striking to> >> me.> >> >

>> Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness,> >> sadness, even depression> >>

growing up.> >> > >> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' Saturn's> >>

aspects into my 3rd house,> >> and 6th house.... especially.> >> > >> Not only

was I shy, due to the Moon being in the> >> 12th, but, my 2nd house of> >>

speech was very much effected too, and I was> >> extremely shy in school, had

a> >> very difficult time getting up and speaking in> >> class, etc.> >> > >>

But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, in> my> >> 6th and at the very

same> >> time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn in> the> >> 12th,.... I

found some> >> very good qualities due to Jupiter.> >> > >> First of all, I had

pretty good health. Secondly> I> >> noticed that Saturn's> >> normal negative

aspect upon the Sign opposite to> >> itself, was probably,> >> improved due to

Jupiter's simultaneous aspect> back,> >> upon Saturn and the> >> Moon.> >> > >>

I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of> >> Jupiter's supposed influence>

>> upon the Sign opposite it!> >> > >> I also had many of the predictatively

'good'> >> qualities of Jupiter upon the> >> Moon, which was a clear example of

the 7th House> >> 'aspect'.> >> > >> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. >

Jupiter's> >> supposed to influence> >> not only the Sign where it is, but also

5 Houses> >> away in addition to the> >> classic 7th house aspect.> >> > >> And

I could really feel that too. Jupiter in the> >> 6th, then, casts it's 5th> >>

house aspect into the 10th house, where I have> >> Cancer.> >> > >> And from as

long as I can remember I 'knew' that> I> >> wanted to be a teacher.> >> > >>

First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I> loved> >> watching them, and> >>

admired them greatly.> >> > >> These qualities are good examples of Jupiter's>

5th> >> house aspect.> >> > >> And finally, when I try and look and find,>

Jupiter's> >> 9th house aspect, I> >> find that Jupiter's supposed to be

aspecting my> 2nd> >> house.> >> > >> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's

aspect> from> >> the 12th, but, I felt> >> also another influence which later I

realized was> >> probably Jupiter's which> >> wanted to be able to speak and

express myself.> >> > >> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or> >>

transform Saturn's negative> >> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began to>

feel> >> more comfortable> >> speaking and eventually became quite comfortable>

in> >> front of a crowd, or> >> even lecturing.> >> > >> So, I'm sure we all,

will enjoy hearing about how> >> you've come to understand> >> and experience

your chart, too. I'd love to hear> >> your own private> >> experiences as to

the effects of the Planets 'in'> >> different houses/signs,> >> and their

simultaneous effects upon, opposite> signs> >> and houses.> >> > >> > >>

Sincerely,> >> > >> > >> Mark Kincaid> >> > >> > >> founder Nature's

Astrology....> >> m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> >> 641 472-0000> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>

Shripal <d_shripal >> >>

AyurvedJyotishYoga> >> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800

(PST)> >> navlakshya> >> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re:

Aspect v/s> >> Placement> >> > >> > >> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,> >> > >>

Let's take this birth data of mine.> >> Name:shripal> >> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat>

>> Time:21:00> >> date:16th March 1980> >> > >> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn +

Jupiter + Rahu all> >> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this> planets>

>> are aspecting or influencing each other.Correct.> >> > >> 2)In 5th house

Mercury and Ketu are together.> >> > >> 3)However Venus is in 7th house.> >> >

>> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are Saturn> >> 100%,Venus 100% + venus

is a dispositor of that> >> house> >> too and placed with Venus in enemy

house.> >> > >> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with Mars> +> >> saturn

+ rahu + jupiter,so all this planets> aspect> >> to> >> venus is 50% mutually.>

>> > >> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so> aspect> >> mutually is

25%.> >> > >> So you tell me about my personality and> >> thoughts,regarding my

looks and approach towards> >> life.Which planet will be most influential with>

>> rescpect,> >> > >> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities that> i> >>

have and i will achieve.> >> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying place> >>

3)7th house that is my wife or partners> >> 4)5th house that is my

education,Romance and> >> Mantra,Tantra etc.> >> 5)9th house my spiritual

inclination.> >> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with them> anf> >>

gains.> >> > >> You give me predictions for each and every of my> >> above> >>

points and I will let you know how much truth> about> >> it.> >> > >> So we can

come to conclusion what all houses> aspect> >> is> >> more effective and where

palcement is effective.> >> > >> Which one is more stronger aspect or

Placement.> >> > >> --- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi (AT) (DOT) ca>> >>

wrote:> >> > >>> > >>> Not clear why you called placement as a one time> >>>

influence while> >>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please elaborate> a> >>>

bit more.> >>> > >>> > >>> navlakshya, Shripal> >>>

<d_shripal> wrote:> >>>> Guruji,> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That theory will not

work here.aspect is not> >>>> influencing anybody.So your example I will say>

>>> there> >>>> is no aspect at all.> >>>> > >>>> Aspect mean you can do

something,influencing> >>>> someone.when you are seeing means just seeing.>

>>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In fact a> >>> very> >>>> very great

influence.As good as seating and> >> seeing> >>> is> >>>> same for them.> >>>> >

>>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If that> >>> killer> >>>> seating find

he is a son of his Boss or His> >> father> >>> is> >>>> bigger person.Than you

tell me Aspect of his> >>> father> >>>> not even in his presence,what will be>

>>> outcome.Aspect> >>>> or Placement.So i guess who is influencing whom> >>>

rather> >>>> than just seating.> >>>> > >>>> And now if you are saying,even he

know's still> >> he> >>> want> >>>> to kill that person seating beside

him,than> >> ready> >>> for> >>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing that>

>> guy.> >>>> > >>>> That's what I said it in first posting.Strong> >>>>

Placement's of planets is like a one time> >>> promotion or> >>>> act of that

movement instantly.Aspect is like> >>> constant> >>>> movement increasing

manner or detoriating> >>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and> >>

Off.while> >>>> aspect is like Volume button.It influences your> >>> daily>

>>>> life.> >>>> > >>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:> >>>> >

>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Shripal> >>>>> > >>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the

following> >>>>> > >>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the same> >>> bus,

in> >>>>> the same seat> >>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in another> >>

bus,> >>> he> >>>>> is looking at you.> >>>>> > >>>>> WHich makes you more

comfortable?> >>>>> best wishes> >>>>> partha> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In

navlakshya, Shripal> >>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:> >>>>>> Hi

sureshji,> >>>>>> > >>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is> >> wonderful.I>

>>>>> myself> >>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than> >>>>>

Placements.Even> >>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra rising and> >>>>>

Saturn in> >>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all the> >>>>> qualities>

>>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not> >> there> >>> at> >>>>>>

all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th> >> house> >>> and> >>>>>> aspecting

this saturn.so this person is more> >>> like> >>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn

like.Even> >> placement> >>> for> >>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is

working> >> very> >>>>> well> >>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy

to> >>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever saturn's> >>> result> >>>>> and>

>>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual.> >>>>>> > >>>>>> I concluded that

Aspect should be given a> >>> higher> >>>>>> priority.> >>>>>> --- sureshbabuag

<sureshbabuag> wrote:> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namasthe> >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more powerful> >>> than> >>>>> its> >>>>>>>

association. It is> >>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in> >> association>

>>> it> >>>>>>> brings decieses and if> >>>>>>> a third aspects it brings

death. This> >> could> >>> mean> >>>>> two> >>>>>>> things aspect by> >>>>>>> a

(malefic) planet is more potent than the> >>>>>>> association of two> >>>>>>>

(malefics). Agin in another text> >>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange

arura> >>>>> asrigbhava"> >>>>>>> Saturn if> >>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars

will produce> >>> eruptions> >>>>> and> >>>>>>> boils on the right> >>>>>>>

side of the body due to impure blood.> >> (Cause> >>> of> >>>>>>> death) this

sloka> >>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe> >>>>> dakshinange>

>>>>>>> cha vedana".> >>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets of> >>>

pain> >>>>> in> >>>>>>> the body.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are many such

examples which shows> >> the> >>>>> power> >>>>>>> of aspects of planets.>

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in the> >>> 8th> >>>>>

house> >>>>>>> may confer long> >>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of Saturn

in> >>> amsa> >>>>> and> >>>>>>> sun . but one> >>>>>>> cannot rule out the

physical ailments that> >>> it> >>>>>>> signifies. Please note> >>>>>>> that

Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting the> >>> Karma> >>>>>>> Sthana as well as>

>>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma> >> karaka> >>> /> >>>>> pitur>

>>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being> >>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems with> >>

his> >>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic> >>>>>>> and in always conflict with

oneself. He> >>> creates> >>>>>>> wealth by his own> >>>>>>> efforts. in fact

jupiter and mars help> >>> saturn in> >>>>>>> this process of> >>>>>>> creating

wealth. (Saturn and mars in> >> mutual> >>>>> aspect -> >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy

and> >>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth> >> through> >>>>> property>

>>>>>>> deals and> >>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the> >> position>

>>> of> >>>>> mars> >>>>>>> in taurus and> >>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as

adhipathy).> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall (sudden> >> and>

>>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn> >>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter

aspecting is> >>> also> >>>>> 12th> >>>>>>> rasi ord> >>>>>>>

(Vyayasthanadhipathy).> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in

spite> >>> of> >>>>> being> >>>>>>> a successfull> >>>>>>> business man. (Sun -

Atma Karaka being a> >>> Sathru> >>>>> of> >>>>>>> Saturn -> >>>>>>>

Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo> >>> aspecting> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> Atma

Karaka> >>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi)> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you putting such

queries. give your> >>>>> comments.> >>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more

potent> >>> than> >>>>> yoga> >>>>>>> expecially that of> >>>>>>> saturn .

Remember Ravana had his downfall> >>> when> >>>>>>> saturn in transit> >>>>>>>

reached his seventh house. I have seen> >> many> >>>>> persons> >>>>>>> who

were sitting> >>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life fall> >> to> >>>>>

nothing> >>>>>>> when saturn> >>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house>

>>> either> >>>>> from> >>>>>>> ascendant or moon> >>>>>>> sign.> >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> May Lord Bless You.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Suresh Bbu.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> vedic astrology,> >>> Shripal> >>>>>>>

<d_shripal> wrote:> >>>>>>>> Hello All,> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Planetary

aspect should be given more> >>>>> important or> >>>>>>>> palcement,which one

would be powerful.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house

in> >>>>> Leo.so> >>>>>>> for> >>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now>

>>> Jupiter> >>>>>>> placed in> >>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here> >>

aspect> >>> is> >>>>> Trine> >>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by> >>>

Jupiter.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies house> >>> and>

>>>>> 50%> >>>>>>> aspect> >>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn> >>

thrid> >>>>> aspect> >>>>>>> to> >>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted

sign> >>> will> >>>>> give> >>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by how>

>>> much.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus> >> ans>

>>>>> ,Mars is> >>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and> >>> vice-versa>

>>>>> is> >>>>>>> also> >>>>>>>> true.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So it will try to

make Saturn act> >>>>> malefically.so> >>>>>>> what> >>>>>>>> will be a

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pls refer our discussions.

 

You will agree, we need to first look at the the strength of the planet. An

exalted planet becasue stronger can yield reults to the maximum level.

 

on the contrary, a debilitated planet is weak and can not give good results. Pls

see that a benefic when debilitated may aspect its is exaltation rashi but when

a planet itself is weak can not yield good results for the house its posited or

the house it aspects.

 

Hope its clear

 

regards

Rakesh Arora

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Dear Rakeshji,

 

There were too contradictions among the discussions according to Shripalji for

Kumbha lagna when

venus in 8th being neecha when aspects the 2nd house yields the results like

Jupiter.But according to

you when a planet itself is weak can not yield good results for the house its

posited or the house it

aspects.Shripalji Will u plz shed more light on this.

 

 

Regds

Ramki

 

 

 

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Re: 2-Shipal, & all, Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark Kincaid

Dear Ramki

 

pls refer our discussions.

 

You will agree, we need to first look at the the strength of the planet. An

exalted planet becasue stronger can yield reults to the maximum level.

 

on the contrary, a debilitated planet is weak and can not give good results. Pls

see that a benefic when debilitated may aspect its is exaltation rashi but when

a planet itself is weak can not yield good results for the house its posited or

the house it aspects.

 

Hope its clear

 

regards

Rakesh Arora

Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'