Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 FYI, I am forwarding an interesting post I made today on another group. Compared to that group, this group has more people who can understand some of the subtle philosophical points made in this post. ----------------------- Namaste friends, Somebody asked a while ago about arudha pada computation. He said that my free software (Jagannatha Hora Lite) considers the dual lordship of Aq and Sc and takes the stronger lord when computing arudhas. He asked for Sri KN Rao's view on this and Sri Rao said only Saturn and Mars should be used. As my software was mentioned, I need to clarify why I implemented it the way I did. After defining bhava arudhas and graha arudhas, Parasara said: dwinaatha dwibhayorevam vijneyam sabalaavadhiviganayya padam vipra tatastasya phalam vadet This clearly says that the stronger lord should be used when finding bhava arudha (house manifestation) of a sign with 2 lords and the stronger sign should be used when finding graha arudha (planetary manifestation) of a planet owning 2 signs. Of course, one can always suggest corruptions in BPHS and escape, but the above verse of Parasara matches what *our tradition* teaches. It makes sense too. So I had no reason to violate the abvoe instruction of Parasara. In our tradition, there is one occasion where we ignore the nodal ownership of Aq and Sc. If an arudha falls in Aq or Sc and we are looking for the lord of that arudha, we then ignore nodes. The reason is that nodes have no physical bodies. For example, computation of Padanaathaamsa dasa taught by Jaimini requires us to take the lord of arudha lagna in rasi chart and take his position in navamsa as the seed and find dasas in navamsa chart. This dasa shows how one's fortune and poorva punya (navamsa) influences one's status and image with time. This dasa is good for seeing phases in life from the point of view of image and status. Take George W Bush for example. Rasi chart has AL in Sc. Mars is in Leo in navamsa. Find chara dasa in navasma chart taking Leo as lagna and using navamsa instead of rasi. You will then get his Padanaathaamsa dasa then. You will see that he is running Aries dasa containing exalted Sun in navamsa from 2001 to 2005. Naturally, his poorva punya made him a powerful person in this dasa and made him a President. You may notice that he had the reputation of being a balanced and diplomatic governor who brought the two parties together in Texas, exactly during Pisces dasa containing exalted Venus in navamsa. Once Aries dasa started, his image changed from a peaceful harmonizer (Venus in Pisces) to a war-mongering and powerful king (Sun in Aries). Previously, during Aquarius dasa containing Ketu, he had an image makeover. He suddenly became religious and built the image of a born-again Christian (Ketu). All the image changes happen due the interaction between the lord of rasi chart arudha lagna and planets in navamsa chart. When finding this dasa, we take Saturn/Mars as the lord of arudha lagna if it is in Aq/Sc. We ignore nodes. Let me give our philosophy behind that. In our tradition, signs are inanimate and planets are animate. Houses show the inanimate objects/situations/circumstances and house lords show the animation behind them. House lords show the intelligence behind the matters of the house, which is the driving force. For example, one's overall learning process can be seen from the 4th house (in D-24). The application of intelligence to one's learning process is seen from the 4th lord. The 4th lord is the driving force behind 4th. Being a planet, he is animate. He shows the intelligence, thinking, feeling etc that drive the learning. In our tradition, houses and house lords operate at the level of Shiva and their arudhas operate at the level of Shakti. Houses and house lords show satya (truth), but unmanifested absolute truth (that exists in a vacuum and has no perceptible manifestation). Their arudhas shows the manifestation (Shakti). So arudhas of houses and planets show the tangible and perceptible things that are part of the maaya (illusion) of Shakti. When we are talking about house lords showing the intelligence that drives the matters of a house, that is the universal intelligence. For example, my 7th lord shows the intelligence driving my relations. Is it my intelligence or my wife's or a business partner's or somebody else's? If you understand the difference between Shiva and Shakti and the difference between unmanifested absolute truth and the manifestation (also known as "maya", i.e. illusion), this is a meaningless question. When we are talking about house lords, we are in the domain of unmenifested absolute truth. In that domain, there is no distinction between my intelligence, my wife's intelligence and somebody else's. They are all one and the same!!! The differentiation comes in the domain of manifestion/maya/illusion represented by Shakti. So the differentiation comes when we consider arudhas. Rahu and Ketu do not exist physically. They have no physical manifestation. But they do exist in the realm of unmanifested absolute truth and they *are* capable of *causing* physical manifestation of something. So, when we are looking for the lord of lagna or lord of another house (e.g. when finding the arudha of a house), Rahu and Ketu MUST be considered as the lords of the house. However, when we are looking for the lord of an arudha pada, Rahu and Ketu should not be considered. This is the wisdom of our tradition and the philosophy behind it. I hope it makes some sense to discerning scholars. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Dear PVR Namaskaar I can see J. Krishnamurti sayings in your following para particularly 'universal intelligence': When we are talking about house lords showing the intelligence that drives the matters of a house, that is the universal intelligence. For example, my 7th lord shows the intelligence driving my relations. Is it my intelligence or my wife's or a business partner's or somebody else's? If you understand the difference between Shiva and Shakti and the difference between unmanifested absolute truth and the manifestation (also known as "maya", i.e. illusion), this is a meaningless question. When we are talking about house lords, we are in the domain of unmenifested absolute truth. In that domain, there is no distinction between my intelligence, my wife's intelligence and somebody else's. They are all one and the same!!! The differentiation comes in the domain of manifestion/maya/illusion represented by Shakti. So the differentiation comes when we consider arudhas. Can you please elaborate a bit more or forward a paper/doc on this topic - difference between Shiva & Shakti/difference between unmanifested & manifested truth (maya)? I'm more interested in understanding manifestation represented by Shakti - how & why differentiation comes? I read from Sanjay ji's papers that we have Sri Shakti, Bhu Shakti & Neela Shakti. I also remember 'The Mother' of Pondicherry as manifested shakti of 'Sri Aurobindo'... Please reply regds Tushankur "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr To 21/01/2005 04:00 <vedic astrology> cc Subject [vedic astrology] Fwd: Arudhas and Nodes Question FYI, I am forwarding an interesting post I made today on another group. Compared to that group, this group has more people who can understand some of the subtle philosophical points made in this post. ----------------------- Namaste friends, Somebody asked a while ago about arudha pada computation. He said that my free software (Jagannatha Hora Lite) considers the dual lordship of Aq and Sc and takes the stronger lord when computing arudhas. He asked for Sri KN Rao's view on this and Sri Rao said only Saturn and Mars should be used. As my software was mentioned, I need to clarify why I implemented it the way I did. After defining bhava arudhas and graha arudhas, Parasara said: dwinaatha dwibhayorevam vijneyam sabalaavadhi viganayya padam vipra tatastasya phalam vadet This clearly says that the stronger lord should be used when finding bhava arudha (house manifestation) of a sign with 2 lords and the stronger sign should be used when finding graha arudha (planetary manifestation) of a planet owning 2 signs. Of course, one can always suggest corruptions in BPHS and escape, but the above verse of Parasara matches what *our tradition* teaches. It makes sense too. So I had no reason to violate the abvoe instruction of Parasara. In our tradition, there is one occasion where we ignore the nodal ownership of Aq and Sc. If an arudha falls in Aq or Sc and we are looking for the lord of that arudha, we then ignore nodes. The reason is that nodes have no physical bodies. For example, computation of Padanaathaamsa dasa taught by Jaimini requires us to take the lord of arudha lagna in rasi chart and take his position in navamsa as the seed and find dasas in navamsa chart. This dasa shows how one's fortune and poorva punya (navamsa) influences one's status and image with time. This dasa is good for seeing phases in life from the point of view of image and status. Take George W Bush for example. Rasi chart has AL in Sc. Mars is in Leo in navamsa. Find chara dasa in navasma chart taking Leo as lagna and using navamsa instead of rasi. You will then get his Padanaathaamsa dasa then. You will see that he is running Aries dasa containing exalted Sun in navamsa from 2001 to 2005. Naturally, his poorva punya made him a powerful person in this dasa and made him a President. You may notice that he had the reputation of being a balanced and diplomatic governor who brought the two parties together in Texas, exactly during Pisces dasa containing exalted Venus in navamsa. Once Aries dasa started, his image changed from a peaceful harmonizer (Venus in Pisces) to a war-mongering and powerful king (Sun in Aries). Previously, during Aquarius dasa containing Ketu, he had an image makeover. He suddenly became religious and built the image of a born-again Christian (Ketu). All the image changes happen due the interaction between the lord of rasi chart arudha lagna and planets in navamsa chart. When finding this dasa, we take Saturn/Mars as the lord of arudha lagna if it is in Aq/Sc. We ignore nodes. Let me give our philosophy behind that. In our tradition, signs are inanimate and planets are animate. Houses show the inanimate objects/situations/circumstances and house lords show the animation behind them. House lords show the intelligence behind the matters of the house, which is the driving force. For example, one's overall learning process can be seen from the 4th house (in D-24). The application of intelligence to one's learning process is seen from the 4th lord. The 4th lord is the driving force behind 4th. Being a planet, he is animate. He shows the intelligence, thinking, feeling etc that drive the learning. In our tradition, houses and house lords operate at the level of Shiva and their arudhas operate at the level of Shakti. Houses and house lords show satya (truth), but unmanifested absolute truth (that exists in a vacuum and has no perceptible manifestation). Their arudhas shows the manifestation (Shakti). So arudhas of houses and planets show the tangible and perceptible things that are part of the maaya (illusion) of Shakti. When we are talking about house lords showing the intelligence that drives the matters of a house, that is the universal intelligence. For example, my 7th lord shows the intelligence driving my relations. Is it my intelligence or my wife's or a business partner's or somebody else's? If you understand the difference between Shiva and Shakti and the difference between unmanifested absolute truth and the manifestation (also known as "maya", i.e. illusion), this is a meaningless question. When we are talking about house lords, we are in the domain of unmenifested absolute truth. In that domain, there is no distinction between my intelligence, my wife's intelligence and somebody else's. They are all one and the same!!! The differentiation comes in the domain of manifestion/maya/illusion represented by Shakti. So the differentiation comes when we consider arudhas. Rahu and Ketu do not exist physically. They have no physical manifestation. But they do exist in the realm of unmanifested absolute truth and they *are* capable of *causing* physical manifestation of something. So, when we are looking for the lord of lagna or lord of another house (e.g. when finding the arudha of a house), Rahu and Ketu MUST be considered as the lords of the house. However, when we are looking for the lord of an arudha pada, Rahu and Ketu should not be considered. This is the wisdom of our tradition and the philosophy behind it. I hope it makes some sense to discerning scholars. 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