2-Sabri, RE: Aspect v/s Placement, which is stronger? > Mark Kincaid

[Guest guest]

Dear Sabri:

 

My experience, most of the time seems that the 'effects' of 2 planets being

together,..... in the same house, is stronger....

more intense, for better or for worse,...

 

then aspects...

 

 

And as to your Q. re. Moon/Saturn,....this is where I first learned that you

could experience in the transits, the kind of verification of Jyotish's

rules and principles...

 

I'll never forget it... I was watching the Moon one time, years ago, and I

even noticed that 'now' familiar Saturnish feeling as the Moon even began

approaching Saturn.

 

Then, that 'intensity' grew stronger and stronger, the closer the two got,

and then, whooosh.... immediately as the Moon went past Saturn, that same

'intensity' became less and less....

 

Then, when the Moon went into the very next sign, I was amazed but that

feeling of Saturn 'intensity' stopped....

 

I forgot about it, for a few days, then, I began to 'feel' that same kind of

Saturnish,....feeling coming back a few days.

 

So, I checked on the Transits again, and wow!, the Moon had literally, moved

into that next '3rd House aspect' from Saturn...

 

That was my first experience of verifying the rules of Jyotish, in these

Transits.

 

I think that's why I like to have people try and learn to 'feel' these

Transits. Because if they can, then the rules and principles of Jyotish

will not only 'come' more easily, but they'll be understood much more

deeply.

 

Hey!, ...nice hearing from you!

 

 

ciao

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

another similar experience I have is with Moon & Jupiter...

 

For example when Moon is with Jupiter the effect is strong, then,

when the Moon moves into the house, 5 houses away, you can still feel that

same Moon/Jupiter experience that you felt earlier, but now, it's slightly

less strong...

 

 

 

 

 

> "Sabri" <korua

> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> Re: 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark

> Kincaid

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> So what is your experience through watching transits; in comparing

> two planets in the same house, and one aspecting the other (talking

> about planets in transit).

> E.g. what was the experience when Chandra was transiting a house

> aspected by Shani? Did you also feel the effect of Shani on Chandra,

> was it as strong, or less or somewhat different.

>

> Thanks so much for sharing your experiences, with us,

>

> Best wishes, Sabri.

>

> vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>> Hi Ramakrishna ,

>>

>> No sirji,What you said I have already talked about

>> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

>> placement means Venus when aspect from pisces gives

>> same results

>> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full effect,not

>> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be maximum.

>>

>> When planet is aspecting some house, without any

>> planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to

>> placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking about is

>> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will depend

>> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed etc.OK.

>>

>> --- Ramakrishna <ramki@w...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> Dear Shipal & All:

>>

>> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, ahhh, no pun intended,

> heheeheh.

>>

>> But, another really good way to tell whether 'conjunction', or

> when a planet

>> is in a house,

>> or opposite another house, or even in it's aspectings,.... is to

> look at

>> these through the eyes,

>> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly transits....

>>

>> Watch the Moon for example.

>>

>> When the Moon moves through the sky and moves through our charts,

> especially

>> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can start to realize...the

> real truths

>> of Jyotish.

>>

>> For example, when the Moon is getting bigger, like now, and then

> when it

>> moves through the different signs, and especially moves into

> similar houses

>> with other planets.... you can really feel those!

>>

>> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction starting in about 2

> days....

>>

>> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at the 3rd degree, so

> still a lot

>> of Exaltedness, left....

>>

>> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the Moon will move into

> Gemini, where

>> it will come within 30 degrees of any planets in Gemini.

>>

>> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into Gemini, so soon, the

> Moon &

>> Saturn will be conjunct.

>>

>> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

>>

>> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that Saturn/Moon conjunction...

>>

>> Then, compare these feelings with the feelings that come next when

> the Moon

>> moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

>>

>> That will be quite a shift this month/year, especially because the

> Moon

>> feels soooo happy in Cancer.

>>

>> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will be in Cancer, it's Own

>> Sign,....but then,

>> the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther and farther away from

>> Saturn,....but....

>>

>> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's supposed to fall under the

> 3rd house

>> 'aspect' of Saturn...

>>

>> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn feeling that happened

> when

>> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't feel that same flavor.

>>

>> Then, when the Moon, continues around the sky, next it will move

> into

>> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely opposite to Saturn, in

> Gemini,

>> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces, Saturn's 10th House aspect

> is

>> supposed to kick in.

>>

>> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish are more strong and

> give very

>> practical understanding that will allow us to understand the same

> kind of

>> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements as you say; that are

> in our

>> charts.

>>

>> Hope this helps....

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>>

>> Mark Kincaid

>>

>>

>>

>> ps.... instead of asking people to guess about your chart, why

> don't you

>> share with people, your experience which are stronger.

>>

>> For example, in my chart, I have Moon & Saturn together in the

> 12th house,

>> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

>>

>> Well, believe me, I can say with complete reliability, that the

> consequence

>> of this 'configuration' has been very striking to me.

>>

>> Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness, sadness, even

> depression

>> growing up.

>>

>> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' Saturn's aspects into my

> 3rd house,

>> and 6th house.... especially.

>>

>> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in the 12th, but, my 2nd

> house of

>> speech was very much effected too, and I was extremely shy in

> school, had a

>> very difficult time getting up and speaking in class, etc.

>>

>> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, in my 6th and at the

> very same

>> time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn in the 12th,.... I

> found some

>> very good qualities due to Jupiter.

>>

>> First of all, I had pretty good health. Secondly I noticed that

> Saturn's

>> normal negative aspect upon the Sign opposite to itself, was

> probably,

>> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous aspect back, upon Saturn

> and the

>> Moon.

>>

>> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of Jupiter's supposed

> influence

>> upon the Sign opposite it!

>>

>> I also had many of the predictatively 'good' qualities of Jupiter

> upon the

>> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th House 'aspect'.

>>

>> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. Jupiter's supposed to

> influence

>> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5 Houses away in addition

> to the

>> classic 7th house aspect.

>>

>> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in the 6th, then, casts

> it's 5th

>> house aspect into the 10th house, where I have Cancer.

>>

>> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' that I wanted to be a

> teacher.

>>

>> First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I loved watching them,

> and

>> admired them greatly.

>>

>> These qualities are good examples of Jupiter's 5th house aspect.

>>

>> And finally, when I try and look and find, Jupiter's 9th house

> aspect, I

>> find that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting my 2nd house.

>>

>> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect from the 12th, but,

> I felt

>> also another influence which later I realized was probably

> Jupiter's which

>> wanted to be able to speak and express myself.

>>

>> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or transform Saturn's

> negative

>> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began to feel more

> comfortable

>> speaking and eventually became quite comfortable in front of a

> crowd, or

>> even lecturing.

>>

>> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about how you've come to

> understand

>> and experience your chart, too. I'd love to hear your own private

>> experiences as to the effects of the Planets 'in' different

> houses/signs,

>> and their simultaneous effects upon, opposite signs and houses.

>>

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>>

>> Mark Kincaid

>>

>>

>> founder Nature's Astrology....

>> m.kincaid@m...

>> 641 472-0000

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Shripal <d_shripal>

>> AyurvedJyotishYoga

>> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

>> navlakshya

>> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s Placement

>>

>>

>> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

>>

>> Let's take this birth data of mine.

>> Name:shripal

>> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

>> Time:21:00

>> date:16th March 1980

>>

>> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu all

>> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this planets

>> are aspecting or influencing each other.Correct.

>>

>> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together.

>>

>> 3)However Venus is in 7th house.

>>

>> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are Saturn

>> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of that house

>> too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

>>

>> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with Mars +

>> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets aspect to

>> venus is 50% mutually.

>>

>> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so aspect

>> mutually is 25%.

>>

>> So you tell me about my personality and

>> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach towards

>> life.Which planet will be most influential with

>> rescpect,

>>

>> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities that i

>> have and i will achieve.

>> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying place

>> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners

>> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance and

>> Mantra,Tantra etc.

>> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

>> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with them anf

>> gains.

>>

>> You give me predictions for each and every of my above

>> points and I will let you know how much truth about

>> it.

>>

>> So we can come to conclusion what all houses aspect is

>> more effective and where palcement is effective.

>>

>> Which one is more stronger aspect or Placement.

>>

>> --- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Not clear why you called placement as a one time

>>> influence while

>>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please elaborate a

>>> bit more.

>>>

>>>

>>> navlakshya, Shripal

>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>> Guruji,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is not

>>>> influencing anybody.So your example I will say

>>> there

>>>> is no aspect at all.

>>>>

>>>> Aspect mean you can do something,influencing

>>>> someone.when you are seeing means just seeing.

>>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In fact a

>>> very

>>>> very great influence.As good as seating and seeing

>>> is

>>>> same for them.

>>>>

>>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If that

>>> killer

>>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or His father

>>> is

>>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of his

>>> father

>>>> not even in his presence,what will be

>>> outcome.Aspect

>>>> or Placement.So i guess who is influencing whom

>>> rather

>>>> than just seating.

>>>>

>>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's still he

>>> want

>>>> to kill that person seating beside him,than ready

>>> for

>>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing that guy.

>>>>

>>>> That's what I said it in first posting.Strong

>>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time

>>> promotion or

>>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is like

>>> constant

>>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating

>>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and Off.while

>>>> aspect is like Volume button.It influences your

>>> daily

>>>> life.

>>>>

>>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Shripal

>>>>>

>>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the following

>>>>>

>>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the same

>>> bus, in

>>>>> the same seat

>>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in another bus,

>>> he

>>>>> is looking at you.

>>>>>

>>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable?

>>>>> best wishes

>>>>> partha

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> navlakshya, Shripal

>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>>>> Hi sureshji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is wonderful.I

>>>>> myself

>>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than

>>>>> Placements.Even

>>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra rising and

>>>>> Saturn in

>>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all the

>>>>> qualities

>>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not there

>>> at

>>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th house

>>> and

>>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is more

>>> like

>>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even placement

>>> for

>>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is working very

>>>>> well

>>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy to

>>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever saturn's

>>> result

>>>>> and

>>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given a

>>> higher

>>>>>> priority.

>>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Namasthe

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more powerful

>>> than

>>>>> its

>>>>>>> association. It is

>>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in association

>>> it

>>>>>>> brings decieses and if

>>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This could

>>> mean

>>>>> two

>>>>>>> things aspect by

>>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than the

>>>>>>> association of two

>>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text

>>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange arura

>>>>> asrigbhava"

>>>>>>> Saturn if

>>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce

>>> eruptions

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> boils on the right

>>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood. (Cause

>>> of

>>>>>>> death) this sloka

>>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe

>>>>> dakshinange

>>>>>>> cha vedana".

>>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets of

>>> pain

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> the body.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There are many such examples which shows the

>>>>> power

>>>>>>> of aspects of planets.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in the

>>> 8th

>>>>> house

>>>>>>> may confer long

>>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of Saturn in

>>> amsa

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> sun . but one

>>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments that

>>> it

>>>>>>> signifies. Please note

>>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting the

>>> Karma

>>>>>>> Sthana as well as

>>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma karaka

>>> /

>>>>> pitur

>>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being

>>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems with his

>>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic

>>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself. He

>>> creates

>>>>>>> wealth by his own

>>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

>>> saturn in

>>>>>>> this process of

>>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in mutual

>>>>> aspect -

>>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and

>>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth through

>>>>> property

>>>>>>> deals and

>>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the position

>>> of

>>>>> mars

>>>>>>> in taurus and

>>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall (sudden and

>>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn

>>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter aspecting is

>>> also

>>>>> 12th

>>>>>>> rasi ord

>>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in spite

>>> of

>>>>> being

>>>>>>> a successfull

>>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being a

>>> Sathru

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> Saturn -

>>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

>>> aspecting

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> Atma Karaka

>>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give your

>>>>> comments.

>>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more potent

>>> than

>>>>> yoga

>>>>>>> expecially that of

>>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his downfall

>>> when

>>>>>>> saturn in transit

>>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen many

>>>>> persons

>>>>>>> who were sitting

>>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life fall to

>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>> when saturn

>>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house

>>> either

>>>>> from

>>>>>>> ascendant or moon

>>>>>>> sign.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> May Lord Bless You.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Suresh Bbu.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> vedic astrology,

>>> Shripal

>>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Hello All,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more

>>>>> important or

>>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be powerful.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house in

>>>>> Leo.so

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

>>> Jupiter

>>>>>>> placed in

>>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here aspect

>>> is

>>>>> Trine

>>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

>>> Jupiter.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies house

>>> and

>>>>> 50%

>>>>>>> aspect

>>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn thrid

>>>>> aspect

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted sign

>>> will

>>>>> give

>>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by how

>>> much.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus ans

>>>>> ,Mars is

>>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and

>>> vice-versa

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>>> true.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act

>>>>> malefically.so

>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or

>>> TooBad.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

 

Yes, so nice to hear from you.

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences which are "always"

wonderful.

 

Just one more thing; Have you noticed any difference between Chandra

transiting past Shani, and transiting Shani's 3rd. house aspect,

just curious.

 

Jai Guru,

Take care,

Sabri.

 

 

vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Sabri:

>

> My experience, most of the time seems that the 'effects' of 2

planets being

> together,..... in the same house, is stronger....

> more intense, for better or for worse,...

>

> then aspects...

>

>

> And as to your Q. re. Moon/Saturn,....this is where I first

learned that you

> could experience in the transits, the kind of verification of

Jyotish's

> rules and principles...

>

> I'll never forget it... I was watching the Moon one time, years

ago, and I

> even noticed that 'now' familiar Saturnish feeling as the Moon

even began

> approaching Saturn.

>

> Then, that 'intensity' grew stronger and stronger, the closer the

two got,

> and then, whooosh.... immediately as the Moon went past Saturn,

that same

> 'intensity' became less and less....

>

> Then, when the Moon went into the very next sign, I was amazed but

that

> feeling of Saturn 'intensity' stopped....

>

> I forgot about it, for a few days, then, I began to 'feel' that

same kind of

> Saturnish,....feeling coming back a few days.

>

> So, I checked on the Transits again, and wow!, the Moon had

literally, moved

> into that next '3rd House aspect' from Saturn...

>

> That was my first experience of verifying the rules of Jyotish, in

these

> Transits.

>

> I think that's why I like to have people try and learn to 'feel'

these

> Transits. Because if they can, then the rules and principles of

Jyotish

> will not only 'come' more easily, but they'll be understood much

more

> deeply.

>

> Hey!, ...nice hearing from you!

>

>

> ciao

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> another similar experience I have is with Moon & Jupiter...

>

> For example when Moon is with Jupiter the effect is strong, then,

> when the Moon moves into the house, 5 houses away, you can still

feel that

> same Moon/Jupiter experience that you felt earlier, but now, it's

slightly

> less strong...

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Sabri" <korua@e...>

> > Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000

> > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

> > Re: 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: Aspect v/s

Placement, > Mark

> > Kincaid

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > So what is your experience through watching transits; in

comparing

> > two planets in the same house, and one aspecting the other

(talking

> > about planets in transit).

> > E.g. what was the experience when Chandra was transiting a house

> > aspected by Shani? Did you also feel the effect of Shani on

Chandra,

> > was it as strong, or less or somewhat different.

> >

> > Thanks so much for sharing your experiences, with us,

> >

> > Best wishes, Sabri.

> >

> > vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >> Hi Ramakrishna ,

> >>

> >> No sirji,What you said I have already talked about

> >> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

> >> placement means Venus when aspect from pisces gives

> >> same results

> >> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full effect,not

> >> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be maximum.

> >>

> >> When planet is aspecting some house, without any

> >> planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to

> >> placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking about is

> >> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will depend

> >> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed etc.OK.

> >>

> >> --- Ramakrishna <ramki@w...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear Shipal & All:

> >>

> >> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, ahhh, no pun intended,

> > heheeheh.

> >>

> >> But, another really good way to tell whether 'conjunction', or

> > when a planet

> >> is in a house,

> >> or opposite another house, or even in it's aspectings,.... is to

> > look at

> >> these through the eyes,

> >> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly transits....

> >>

> >> Watch the Moon for example.

> >>

> >> When the Moon moves through the sky and moves through our

charts,

> > especially

> >> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can start to realize...the

> > real truths

> >> of Jyotish.

> >>

> >> For example, when the Moon is getting bigger, like now, and then

> > when it

> >> moves through the different signs, and especially moves into

> > similar houses

> >> with other planets.... you can really feel those!

> >>

> >> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction starting in about 2

> > days....

> >>

> >> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at the 3rd degree, so

> > still a lot

> >> of Exaltedness, left....

> >>

> >> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the Moon will move into

> > Gemini, where

> >> it will come within 30 degrees of any planets in Gemini.

> >>

> >> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into Gemini, so soon, the

> > Moon &

> >> Saturn will be conjunct.

> >>

> >> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

> >>

> >> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that Saturn/Moon conjunction...

> >>

> >> Then, compare these feelings with the feelings that come next

when

> > the Moon

> >> moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

> >>

> >> That will be quite a shift this month/year, especially because

the

> > Moon

> >> feels soooo happy in Cancer.

> >>

> >> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will be in Cancer, it's

Own

> >> Sign,....but then,

> >> the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther and farther away

from

> >> Saturn,....but....

> >>

> >> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's supposed to fall under

the

> > 3rd house

> >> 'aspect' of Saturn...

> >>

> >> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn feeling that happened

> > when

> >> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't feel that same

flavor.

> >>

> >> Then, when the Moon, continues around the sky, next it will move

> > into

> >> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely opposite to Saturn,

in

> > Gemini,

> >> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces, Saturn's 10th House

aspect

> > is

> >> supposed to kick in.

> >>

> >> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish are more strong and

> > give very

> >> practical understanding that will allow us to understand the

same

> > kind of

> >> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements as you say; that are

> > in our

> >> charts.

> >>

> >> Hope this helps....

> >>

> >> Sincerely,

> >>

> >>

> >> Mark Kincaid

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ps.... instead of asking people to guess about your chart, why

> > don't you

> >> share with people, your experience which are stronger.

> >>

> >> For example, in my chart, I have Moon & Saturn together in the

> > 12th house,

> >> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

> >>

> >> Well, believe me, I can say with complete reliability, that the

> > consequence

> >> of this 'configuration' has been very striking to me.

> >>

> >> Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness, sadness, even

> > depression

> >> growing up.

> >>

> >> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' Saturn's aspects into

my

> > 3rd house,

> >> and 6th house.... especially.

> >>

> >> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in the 12th, but, my

2nd

> > house of

> >> speech was very much effected too, and I was extremely shy in

> > school, had a

> >> very difficult time getting up and speaking in class, etc.

> >>

> >> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, in my 6th and at

the

> > very same

> >> time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn in the 12th,.... I

> > found some

> >> very good qualities due to Jupiter.

> >>

> >> First of all, I had pretty good health. Secondly I noticed that

> > Saturn's

> >> normal negative aspect upon the Sign opposite to itself, was

> > probably,

> >> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous aspect back, upon Saturn

> > and the

> >> Moon.

> >>

> >> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of Jupiter's supposed

> > influence

> >> upon the Sign opposite it!

> >>

> >> I also had many of the predictatively 'good' qualities of

Jupiter

> > upon the

> >> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th House 'aspect'.

> >>

> >> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. Jupiter's supposed to

> > influence

> >> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5 Houses away in

addition

> > to the

> >> classic 7th house aspect.

> >>

> >> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in the 6th, then,

casts

> > it's 5th

> >> house aspect into the 10th house, where I have Cancer.

> >>

> >> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' that I wanted to be

a

> > teacher.

> >>

> >> First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I loved watching

them,

> > and

> >> admired them greatly.

> >>

> >> These qualities are good examples of Jupiter's 5th house aspect.

> >>

> >> And finally, when I try and look and find, Jupiter's 9th house

> > aspect, I

> >> find that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting my 2nd house.

> >>

> >> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect from the 12th,

but,

> > I felt

> >> also another influence which later I realized was probably

> > Jupiter's which

> >> wanted to be able to speak and express myself.

> >>

> >> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or transform Saturn's

> > negative

> >> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began to feel more

> > comfortable

> >> speaking and eventually became quite comfortable in front of a

> > crowd, or

> >> even lecturing.

> >>

> >> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about how you've come to

> > understand

> >> and experience your chart, too. I'd love to hear your own

private

> >> experiences as to the effects of the Planets 'in' different

> > houses/signs,

> >> and their simultaneous effects upon, opposite signs and houses.

> >>

> >>

> >> Sincerely,

> >>

> >>

> >> Mark Kincaid

> >>

> >>

> >> founder Nature's Astrology....

> >> m.kincaid@m...

> >> 641 472-0000

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Shripal <d_shripal>

> >> AyurvedJyotishYoga

> >> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

> >> navlakshya

> >> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s Placement

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

> >>

> >> Let's take this birth data of mine.

> >> Name:shripal

> >> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

> >> Time:21:00

> >> date:16th March 1980

> >>

> >> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu all

> >> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this planets

> >> are aspecting or influencing each other.Correct.

> >>

> >> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together.

> >>

> >> 3)However Venus is in 7th house.

> >>

> >> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are Saturn

> >> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of that house

> >> too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

> >>

> >> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with Mars +

> >> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets aspect to

> >> venus is 50% mutually.

> >>

> >> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so aspect

> >> mutually is 25%.

> >>

> >> So you tell me about my personality and

> >> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach towards

> >> life.Which planet will be most influential with

> >> rescpect,

> >>

> >> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities that i

> >> have and i will achieve.

> >> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying place

> >> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners

> >> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance and

> >> Mantra,Tantra etc.

> >> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

> >> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with them anf

> >> gains.

> >>

> >> You give me predictions for each and every of my above

> >> points and I will let you know how much truth about

> >> it.

> >>

> >> So we can come to conclusion what all houses aspect is

> >> more effective and where palcement is effective.

> >>

> >> Which one is more stronger aspect or Placement.

> >>

> >> --- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> Not clear why you called placement as a one time

> >>> influence while

> >>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please elaborate a

> >>> bit more.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> navlakshya, Shripal

> >>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> >>>> Guruji,

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is not

> >>>> influencing anybody.So your example I will say

> >>> there

> >>>> is no aspect at all.

> >>>>

> >>>> Aspect mean you can do something,influencing

> >>>> someone.when you are seeing means just seeing.

> >>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In fact a

> >>> very

> >>>> very great influence.As good as seating and seeing

> >>> is

> >>>> same for them.

> >>>>

> >>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If that

> >>> killer

> >>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or His father

> >>> is

> >>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of his

> >>> father

> >>>> not even in his presence,what will be

> >>> outcome.Aspect

> >>>> or Placement.So i guess who is influencing whom

> >>> rather

> >>>> than just seating.

> >>>>

> >>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's still he

> >>> want

> >>>> to kill that person seating beside him,than ready

> >>> for

> >>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing that guy.

> >>>>

> >>>> That's what I said it in first posting.Strong

> >>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time

> >>> promotion or

> >>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is like

> >>> constant

> >>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating

> >>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and Off.while

> >>>> aspect is like Volume button.It influences your

> >>> daily

> >>>> life.

> >>>>

> >>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Shripal

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the following

> >>>>>

> >>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the same

> >>> bus, in

> >>>>> the same seat

> >>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in another bus,

> >>> he

> >>>>> is looking at you.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable?

> >>>>> best wishes

> >>>>> partha

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> navlakshya, Shripal

> >>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> >>>>>> Hi sureshji,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is wonderful.I

> >>>>> myself

> >>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than

> >>>>> Placements.Even

> >>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra rising and

> >>>>> Saturn in

> >>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all the

> >>>>> qualities

> >>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not there

> >>> at

> >>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th house

> >>> and

> >>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is more

> >>> like

> >>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even placement

> >>> for

> >>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is working very

> >>>>> well

> >>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy to

> >>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever saturn's

> >>> result

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given a

> >>> higher

> >>>>>> priority.

> >>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Namasthe

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more powerful

> >>> than

> >>>>> its

> >>>>>>> association. It is

> >>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in association

> >>> it

> >>>>>>> brings decieses and if

> >>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This could

> >>> mean

> >>>>> two

> >>>>>>> things aspect by

> >>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than the

> >>>>>>> association of two

> >>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text

> >>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange arura

> >>>>> asrigbhava"

> >>>>>>> Saturn if

> >>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce

> >>> eruptions

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>> boils on the right

> >>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood. (Cause

> >>> of

> >>>>>>> death) this sloka

> >>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe

> >>>>> dakshinange

> >>>>>>> cha vedana".

> >>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets of

> >>> pain

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>>> the body.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> There are many such examples which shows the

> >>>>> power

> >>>>>>> of aspects of planets.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in the

> >>> 8th

> >>>>> house

> >>>>>>> may confer long

> >>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of Saturn in

> >>> amsa

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>> sun . but one

> >>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments that

> >>> it

> >>>>>>> signifies. Please note

> >>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting the

> >>> Karma

> >>>>>>> Sthana as well as

> >>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma karaka

> >>> /

> >>>>> pitur

> >>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being

> >>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems with his

> >>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic

> >>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself. He

> >>> creates

> >>>>>>> wealth by his own

> >>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

> >>> saturn in

> >>>>>>> this process of

> >>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in mutual

> >>>>> aspect -

> >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and

> >>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth through

> >>>>> property

> >>>>>>> deals and

> >>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the position

> >>> of

> >>>>> mars

> >>>>>>> in taurus and

> >>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall (sudden and

> >>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn

> >>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter aspecting is

> >>> also

> >>>>> 12th

> >>>>>>> rasi ord

> >>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in spite

> >>> of

> >>>>> being

> >>>>>>> a successfull

> >>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being a

> >>> Sathru

> >>>>> of

> >>>>>>> Saturn -

> >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

> >>> aspecting

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>> Atma Karaka

> >>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give your

> >>>>> comments.

> >>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more potent

> >>> than

> >>>>> yoga

> >>>>>>> expecially that of

> >>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his downfall

> >>> when

> >>>>>>> saturn in transit

> >>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen many

> >>>>> persons

> >>>>>>> who were sitting

> >>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life fall to

> >>>>> nothing

> >>>>>>> when saturn

> >>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house

> >>> either

> >>>>> from

> >>>>>>> ascendant or moon

> >>>>>>> sign.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> May Lord Bless You.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Suresh Bbu.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> vedic astrology,

> >>> Shripal

> >>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> Hello All,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more

> >>>>> important or

> >>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be powerful.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house in

> >>>>> Leo.so

> >>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

> >>> Jupiter

> >>>>>>> placed in

> >>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here aspect

> >>> is

> >>>>> Trine

> >>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

> >>> Jupiter.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies house

> >>> and

> >>>>> 50%

> >>>>>>> aspect

> >>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn thrid

> >>>>> aspect

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted sign

> >>> will

> >>>>> give

> >>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by how

> >>> much.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus ans

> >>>>> ,Mars is

> >>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and

> >>> vice-versa

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> also

> >>>>>>>> true.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act

> >>>>> malefically.so

> >>>>>>> what

> >>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or

> >>> TooBad.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

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