2-Ramakrishna, & all, RE: effect of 2, or 3 planets aspecting at the same time?, > Mark Kincaid

January 19, 2005

Dear Ramki:

Practical experience does show the effects of 1 planet aspecting another house,

and then when 2 and even your example of 3 are simultaneously aspecting.

People who have several planets in the same sign, have the kind of 'confusion'

of many, different kinds of energies, first of all, being in the same

house/sign, and then, the effects of those aspects, are very real, and do get

felt and lived throughout the chart.

The key, I believe is to look at enough people's charts, so that the subtleties

of these different Jyotish qualities become more clear.

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

ps... I have 4 planets in Leo, in the 11th house, and I do find the reality of

all those Planets, Sun, Mercury, Venus and Ketu, all in the same sign.

But, I also notice that there is some very real effect of those same planets upon my 5th house.

Maybe others with similar configurations, can give expression to their 'several'

or many planets in the same sign.

"Ramakrishna" <ramki (AT) wisorindia (DOT) soft.net>

Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:28:27 +0530

"Shripal" <d_shripal >

Cc: "vedic" <vedic astrology>

RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Aspect v/s Placement

Dear Shripalji,

Sorry to bother You again, if a house is aspected by 3 Planets (All are Alone)

will one get 3 times results

of that house.

Regds

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Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:38 PM

Ramakrishna

[vedic astrology] RE: Aspect v/s Placement

Hi Ramakrishna ,

No sirji,What you said I have already talked about

that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

placement means Venus when aspect from pisces gives

same results

as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full effect,not

a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be maximum.

When planet is aspecting some house, without any

planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to

placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking about is

quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will depend

upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed etc.OK.

--- Ramakrishna <ramki (AT) wisorindia (DOT) soft.net> wrote:

> Dear Shripalji please see my comments below

>

> Shripal [d_shripal ]

> Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:43 AM

> Ramakrishna

> Re: Aspect v/s Placement

>

> Hi Ramakrishnanji,

>

> No sir ,not at all.See I am talking here about two

> forces.

>

> when a planet alone is acting or aspect opposite

> house,it is as good as

> placement.

> [Ramki] What About Mars , Saturn , Jupiter as they

> have special aspects

> other than

> 7th, even these aspects of them when they are alone

> acts as a placement on

> which

> they aspect.

>

> But when twoplanet are aspecting each other,there

> where aspect

> becomes more powerful than placement.Aspect that i

> amtalking about is this.

> [Ramki] if Two Uchha Planets aspect each other will

> they act like the neecha

> .

> ex: Venus in Pisces and Mercury in Virgo

>

> --- Ramakrishna <ramki (AT) wisorindia (DOT) soft.net> wrote:

>

> > Dear Shripalji,

> >

> > As I was reading the mails Regarding Aspect v/s

> > Placement , When u were

> > explaining aspects are more

> > powerfull is it like that all neecha planets

> > aspect thier Uccha Sthan Did

> > it mean that they exhalted in the

> > aspecting house . Let us say for Kumbha Lagna

> > Venus being Neecha with mars

> > ( 10th lord as well as Yoga Karaka)

> > Aspecting the 2nd House will he create the strong

> > Dhana Yoga ?

> >

> > Regds,

> > Ramki

> >

>

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> >

> > "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I

> > cannot change,

> >

> > the courage to change the things I can, and the

> > wisdom to discern

> >

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> >

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> >

> > Shripal [d_shripal ]

> > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:01 AM

> > astroimran

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Aspect v/s

> > Placement

> >

> > Hi Imran,

> >

> > As you said Aspect act as a modifier.So aspect

> > becomes

> > powerful isn't it.In general terms modifier are

> > always

> > powerful person in one's life.It can change your

> > life

> > and theme of it.Because of modifier you want to

> > change

> > yourself,in that case it will be good as well as

> > bad,depending upon power of modifier.

> >

> > For a modifier it's self is also placed

> > somewhere,isn't it.so it's about mutual

> > relationship

> > that is working b/w two placements of planets

> that

> > is

> > aspect.So

> >

> > Two mutual relationship b/w placements = Aspect

> >

> > So Aspect = 2 * Placement (Mathematically)

> >

> > Isn't it ?

> >

> > --- Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Partha,

> > >

> > > Your interpretation is quite convincing. I am

> of

> > > your

> > > mind on this question. Planetary placement

> > contain

> > > more weightage than aspect. Nearly all Jyotish

> > > classics have emphasized more on placement

> than

> > > aspect. But this should not mean role of

> aspect

> > is

> > > negligible in chart. Aspect may either amplify

> > or

> > > curtail the placement result up to great

> extant,

> > > depending upon the strength and nature of

> > aspecting

> > > planet.

> > >

> > > "Aspects" are like buttons of contrast or hue.

> > > Auspicious aspects promise good and fine

> > pictures,

> > > whereas inauspicious aspects lead to faint,

> > > black&white, or dim pictures. But off course

> > > 'modifier

> > > ie. aspect' can not vanish the existance of

> > origianl

> > > picture.

> > >

> > > M.Imran

> > >

> > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shripal

> > > >

> > > > In my example,. the person in other bus has

> a

> > > desire

> > > > to kill you,

> > > > isn't that a great influence. I never said

> > that

> > > > aspect is just

> > > > looking. Graha Drishti is always an

> > influential

> > > > force. Now the person

> > > > who is sitting besides you can kill you

> > easily,

> > > than

> > > > the person who is

> > > > chasing you in another bus. There might be a

> > third

> > > > person( Jupiter)

> > > > who is in another bus you calls you on your

> > mobile

> > > > and warns you of

> > > > the danger of rahu who wants to kill you,.

> > Thus

> > > > aspects can be

> > > > modified.

> > > > Placement is always more powerful than

> aspects

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> > Shripal

> > > > <d_shripal>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > > That theory will not work here.aspect is

> not

> > > > > influencing anybody.So your example I will

> > say

> > > > there

> > > > > is no aspect at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aspect mean you can do

> something,influencing

> > > > > someone.when you are seeing means just

> > seeing.

> > > > > Planets just don't see,they influence.In

> > fact a

> > > > very

> > > > > very great influence.As good as seating

> and

> > > seeing

> > > > is

> > > > > same for them.

> > > > >

> > > > > But let me try to twist your Example,If

> that

> > > > killer

> > > > > seating find he is a son of his Boss or

> His

> > > father

> > > > is

> > > > > bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of

> his

> > > > father

> > > > > not even in his presence,what will be

> > > > outcome.Aspect

> > > > > or Placement.So i guess who is influencing

> > whom

> > > > rather

> > > > > than just seating.

> > > > >

> > > > > And now if you are saying,even he know's

> > still

> > > he

> > > > want

> > > > > to kill that person seating beside

> him,than

> > > ready

> > > > for

> > > > > a outcome of aspect that is influencing

> that

> > > guy.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's what I said it in first

> > posting.Strong

> > > > > Placement's of planets is like a one time

> > > > promotion or

> > > > > act of that movement instantly.Aspect is

> > like

> > > > constant

> > > > > movement increasing manner or detoriating

> > > > > movement.Placement is like switch on and

> > > Off.while

> > > > > aspect is like Volume button.It influences

> > your

> > > > daily

> > > > > life.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shripal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me the outcome of the

> > following

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are with a killer, a bad man in the

> > same

> > > > bus, in

> > > > > > the same seat

> > > > > > you are in a bus, and killer is in

> another

> > > bus,

> > > > he

> > > > > > is looking at you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WHich makes you more comfortable?

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > navlakshya,

> Shripal

> > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hi sureshji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your Explantion and Prediction is

> > > wonderful.I

> > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > found aspect are more powerful than

> > > > > > Placements.Even

> > > > > > > when I have checked Let say Libra

> rising

> > and

> > > > > > Saturn in

> > > > > > > Lagna.so this person should possess

> all

> > the

> > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is

> not

> > > there

> > > > at

> > > > > > > all.Considering all factors.Mars in

> 6th

> > > house

> > > > and

> > > > > > > aspecting this saturn.so this person

> is

> > more

> > > > like

> > > > > > > Martian,rather than saturn like.Even

> > > placement

> > > > for

> > > > > > > Mars is also weak,still aspect is

> > working

> > > very

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > than Placement of Saturn.As mars is

> > enemy to

> > > > > > > saturn,still it destroy what ever

> > saturn's

> > > > result

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > imbibe his resuls in that individual.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I concluded that Aspect should be

> given

> > a

> > > > higher

> > > > > > > priority.

> > > > > > > --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namasthe

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes Aspect of any planet is more

> > powerful

> > > > than

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > association. It is

> > > > > > > > said that if two malefics are in

> > > association

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > brings decieses and if

> > > > > > > > a third aspects it brings death.

> This

> > > could

> > > > mean

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > things aspect by

> > > > > > > > a (malefic) planet is more potent

> than

> > the

> > > > > > > > association of two

> > > > > > > > (malefics). Agin in another text

> > > > > > > > "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange

> > arura

> > > > > > asrigbhava"

> > > > > > > > Saturn if

> > > > > > > > aspected by sun or mars will produce

> > > > eruptions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > boils on the right

> > > > > > > > side of the body due to impure

> blood.

> > > (Cause

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > death) this sloka

> > > > > > > > further explains: "Guruna

> > swayathupathe

> > > > > > dakshinange

> > > > > > > > cha vedana".

> > > > > > > > Jupiter produces swelling of the

> feets

> > of

> > > > pain

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the body.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many such examples which

> > shows

> > > the

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > of aspects of planets.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the example given by you Saturn

> in

> > the

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > may confer long

> > > > > > > > life depending on the stregth of

> > Saturn in

> > > > amsa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sun . but one

> > > > > > > > cannot rule out the physical

> ailments

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > signifies. Please note

> > > > > > > > that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is

> aspecting

> > the

> > > > Karma

> > > > > > > > Sthana as well as

> > > > > > > > dhanasthana and is placed in the

> atma

> > > karaka

> > > > /

> > > > > > pitur

> > > > > > > > karaka Sun. Being

> > > > > > > > an enemy, he may face many problems

> > with

> > > his

> > > > > > > > parents. Highly egoistic

> > > > > > > > and in always conflict with oneself.

> > He

> > > > creates

> > > > > > > > wealth by his own

> > > > > > > > efforts. in fact jupiter and mars

> help

> > > > saturn in

> > > > > > > > this process of

> > > > > > > > creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in

> > > mutual

> > > > > > aspect -

> > > > > > > > Lagnadhipathy and

> > > > > > > > labhadhipathy) He may create wealth

> > > through

> > > > > > property

> > > > > > > > deals and

> > > > > > > > speculations (High risk) due to the

> > > position

> > > > of

> > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > in taurus and

> > > > > > > > jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But he may expect some downfall

> > (sudden

> > > and

> > > > > > > > unexpected) as the Saturn

> > > > > > > > is the satru rasi and Jupiter

> > aspecting is

> > > > also

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > rasi ord

> > > > > > > > (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This person may not happy in life in

> > spite

> > > > of

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > a successfull

> > > > > > > > business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka

> being

> > a

> > > > Sathru

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Saturn -

> > > > > > > > Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in

> leo

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Atma Karaka

> > > > > > > > griha's Neecha Rasi)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you putting such queries. give

> > your

> > > > > > comments.

> > > > > > > > Have no doubt that aspect is more

> > potent

> > > > than

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > expecially that of

> > > > > > > > saturn . Remember Ravana had his

> > downfall

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > saturn in transit

> > > > > > > > reached his seventh house. I have

> seen

> > > many

> > > > > > persons

> > > > > > > > who were sitting

> > > > > > > > at the pinacles of their carrer/life

> > fall

> > > to

> > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > when saturn

> > > > > > > > traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th

> > house

> > > > either

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > ascendant or moon

> > > > > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Lord Bless You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suresh Bbu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > vedic astrology,

> > > > Shripal

> > > > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Planetary aspect should be given

> > more

> > > > > > important or

> > > > > > > > > palcement,which one would be

> > powerful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let say Saturn is placed in 8th

> > house in

> > > > > > Leo.so

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Capricon Ascendant it is

> benefic.Now

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > placed in

> > > > > > > > > 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here

> > > aspect

> > > > is

> > > > > > Trine

> > > > > > > > > that is 50% b/w planets and 100%

> by

> > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But being in Leo,it is in enemies

> > house

> > > > and

> > > > > > 50%

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > to jupiter,that is benefic,so

> Saturn

> > > thrid

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > 10th house that is his own exalted

> > sign

> > > > will

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > benefic result or malefic

> result,by

> > how

> > > > much.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now climax comes,If Mars is in

> > Taurus

> > > ans

> > > > > > ,Mars is

> > > > > > > > > also aspecting this Saturn 100%

> and

> > > > vice-versa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > true.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it will try to make Saturn act

> > > > > > malefically.so

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > will be a Saturn's response.Good

> or

> > > > TooBad.

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